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Tod
05-28-2014, 02:27 AM
Will Israel be the first cashless society on the entire planet? A committee chaired by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s chief of staff has come up with a three phase plan to “all but do away with cash transactions in Israel”. Individuals and businesses would still be permitted to conduct cash transactions in small amounts (at least initially), but the eventual goal is to force Israeli citizens to conduct as much business as possible using electronic forms of payment. In fact, it has been reported that Israeli officials believe that “cash is bad (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/172028#.U4Oc9iimWnM)” because it fuels the underground economy and allows people to avoid paying taxes. It is hoped that requiring most transactions to be conducted in cash will reduce crime and help balance the national budget. And once 98 or 99 percent of all transactions are cashless, it will not be difficult for the Israeli government (or any other government) to go the rest of the way and ban cash transactions altogether. But is a cashless society actually desirable? This is a question that people all over the world will have to start asking as governments increasingly restrict the use of cash.
Back in September, it was announced that the Israeli government had formed a committee to “examine ways to eliminate cash from the Israeli economy” (http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24635/Default.aspx?hp=article_title)…
The government on Tuesday authorized establishment of a committee that will examine ways to eliminate cash from the Israeli economy – the better to prevent citizens from cheating on their taxes. The committee will be chaired by Harel Locker, director of the Prime Minister’s Office.

This committee had the full backing of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and some of the goals of the committee included finding ways to increase tax revenue and prevent money laundering (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/172028#.U4Oc9iimWnM)…
Officials in the Prime Minister’s Office declared that “around the world, it is recognized that cash is a key element of the illegal economy and money laundering. It allows a wide gap between reported and actual incomes, with the corresponding effect on tax revenues.” By eliminating cash, the PMO said, “it will be possible to expand the tax base, and prevent money laundering.” The committee will study the issue from all its perspectives and make recommendations, the PMO said.

The committee has had quite a few months to examine these issues, and now they have come back with their recommendations. Just this week we learned that a three phase plan (http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24635/Default.aspx?hp=article_title) is being proposed…
A special committee headed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s chief of staff, Harel Locker, has recommended a three-phase plan to all but do away with cash transactions in Israel.

The motivation for examining a cash-less economy is combating money laundering and other tax-evasion tactics, thereby maximizing potential tax collection and greatly expanding the tax base. This is important considering the enormous strain put on Israel’s national budget by the army, healthcare system and other public services.

The committee estimated that the black market represents over 20 percent of Israel’s GDP, and cash is the facilitating factor. Cash enables tax evasion, money laundering and even financing terrorism.

So what do the specifics of the plan look like?
Well, there will be very strict limits on the use of cash for individuals and businesses, any violations will be considered criminal offenses, and all Israeli banks will be required to issue debit cards to all account holders (http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24635/Default.aspx?hp=article_title)…
What the committee would like to see happen, pending government approval, is greater restriction on the use of cash, limiting the use of checks as a means of payment and exchange for cash, and promotion of the use of electronic (and therefore verifiable) means of payment.

The following guidelines were set out by the committee for the short-term:


Limit business transactions done in cash or by check to NIS 7,500 ($2,150) immediately, and reduce that further to NIS 5,000 ($1,433) one year from the date of legislation;
Limit private transactions done in cash or by check to NIS 15,000 ($4,300);
Any violation of these limits would be a criminal offense warranting a stiff fine.

In conjunction with these new restrictions, Israeli banks would be required to provide all account holders with debit cards to further promote electronic payments.

But of course this move toward a cashless society is not just happening in Israel.
In Sweden, it is estimated that just 3 percent (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101266173) of all transactions involve cash at this point. In fact, according to an article in the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/high-tech-sweden-edges-closer-to-becoming-cashless-society/2012/03/17/gIQANtd2HS_story.html), some Swedish banks do not handle cash at all anymore…
In most Swedish cities, public buses don’t accept cash; tickets are prepaid or purchased with a cell phone text message. A small but growing number of businesses only take cards, and some bank offices — which make money on electronic transactions — have stopped handling cash altogether.

“There are towns where it isn’t at all possible anymore to enter a bank and use cash,” complains Curt Persson, chairman of Sweden’s National Pensioners’ Organization.

And the U.S. is starting to move in that direction as well.
According to a study conducted by MasterCard, approximately 80 percent (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101266173) of all consumer transactions in the United States are now cashless.
But isn’t there a downside to all of this?
Just about everything that we do in life involves money. So yes, a government can track electronic payments to make sure taxes are being paid and money laundering is not happening, but it would also enable a government to do so much more.
If a government can track all of your transactions, it will essentially be able to monitor everywhere you go and pretty much keep track of virtually everything that you do.
If you doubt this, just try to live without any money some time.
You won’t get very far without putting some gas in your vehicle.
And without being able to buy food, you will get hungry pretty quickly.
Are you starting to understand?
This is why governments love the idea of moving toward a cashless society. It would give them an immensely powerful surveillance tool.
So let us hope that this does not happen in Israel or anywhere else in the world either.



Just a week or two ago I stopped at a nearby store for the first time and when I paid in cash, the clerk noted that almost everyone pays with plastic....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-27/government-plan-would-transform-israel-world%E2%80%99s-first-cashless-society



(http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-27/government-plan-would-transform-israel-world%E2%80%99s-first-cashless-society)

acptulsa
05-28-2014, 02:28 AM
Israel seems to be the bankers' experimental lab for some reason.


Israeli officials believe that “cash is bad” because it fuels the underground economy and allows people to avoid paying taxes.

Is it possible to make barter illegal? Could that ever be enforced?

ghengis86
05-28-2014, 03:17 AM
Israel seems to be the bankers' experimental lab for some reason.

Is it possible to make barter illegal? Could that ever be enforced?

Of course they can! Just like they did with making drugs illegal and thus eradicating them completely!

But seriously. This was posted a few times on that ZH article and I don't care if you're atheist, Jew, Christian, Muslim, etc, shit is running into the end-game:

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Rev. 13:16-18

jbauer
05-28-2014, 05:56 AM
Zerohedge is what it is. But this is our governents wet dream. Track and tax everything. Don't like someone, freeze their accounts. Political enemies, freeze and seize. Tea party, religious etc beware

mrsat_98
05-28-2014, 06:01 AM
Of course they can! Just like they did with making drugs illegal and thus eradicating them completely!

But seriously. This was posted a few times on that ZH article and I don't care if you're atheist, Jew, Christian, Muslim, etc, shit is running into the end-game:

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Rev. 13:16-18

No kidding Look here to see>>>>>>>>> http://www.gematrix.org/?word=no+more+cash

n 84
o 90

m 78
o 90
r 108
e 30

c 18
a 6
s 114
h 48
_____
666

Tod
05-28-2014, 06:19 AM
Zerohedge is what it is. But this is our governents wet dream. Track and tax everything. Don't like someone, freeze their accounts. Political enemies, freeze and seize. Tea party, religious etc beware

It would make current IRS auditing look really primitive.

Barrex
05-28-2014, 06:24 AM
If I knew what fear is I would be shitting my pants right now...:D

Complete control.

I read a lot and I noticed that a lot of writers predicted future things. Atomic bomb, debit cards, tablets, earphones, Skype-like communication, internet, e-books, robots, online learning, going on moon, mars, satellites, submarines, NSA-like total control agencies...Asimov, Verne, Adams, Welles etc. all predicted things precisely. They got some things wrong but it is unbelievable how they managed to get so many things right.

Why is it scary? What if those will happen too:

1984 and Brave New World.

moostraks
05-28-2014, 06:38 AM
It would make current IRS auditing look really primitive.

Yep. Dh's job did a contract renegotiation and we were forced into direct deposit. So now I have to extract from my account rather than cash out a check. Pain in my rear and I hate the way you are made to feel like a criminal for withdrawing your own money. Oh, and to the tellers, making chit chat while you are angling at what I am going to be doing with my cash doesn't make it any better than the snot who gave me a lecture when I was stupid enough to be honest that one day. I really dislike banks because it feels like a confrontation and I despise confrontation and only do such when completely necessary imo.

TonySutton
05-28-2014, 07:12 AM
2 words, power outage...

Ronin Truth
05-28-2014, 07:16 AM
The nation of Rothschild, why am I not surprised?

RJB
05-28-2014, 07:19 AM
If this happens an underground currency will sprout up, barter, bitcoin, gold/silver...

It's funny/sad that Constitutional money may become underground currency.

Petar
05-28-2014, 07:21 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/img/10966/666cow.jpg?1241332171

DamianTV
05-28-2014, 07:31 AM
Need a Fight Club ending to this...

thoughtomator
05-28-2014, 07:43 AM
People will quickly find alternatives, whether it be barter, a convertible foreign currency, or even gold and silver coins.

Alternately they will find a way to pull it off within the system - nothing new about this. Officially purchases for one thing, in reality purchases for another. When I lived in NYC, downtown was filled with stores that sold little to nothing of their displayed goods.

donnay
05-28-2014, 07:48 AM
Alex Jones has been warning about this for years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVUV_ohngCU

VBRonPaulFan
05-28-2014, 08:09 AM
the hubris of these idiots. they think they can 'ban cash'? seriously? sorry dipshits, people will just use one of the many foreign currencies swirling around to do business, or barter, use electronic currencies, etc. i can't help but laugh at governments when they think they have the authority/power to do this kind of shit.

oyarde
05-28-2014, 08:23 AM
If this happens an underground currency will sprout up, barter, bitcoin, gold/silver...

It's funny/sad that Constitutional money may become underground currency.

Yep , silver coin just made a comeback.

oyarde
05-28-2014, 08:26 AM
I only bought one thing in Israel the past couple yrs . Guy specifically asked that it be a cash transaction , which was fine with me. I had bought a couple things from him before .

RJB
05-28-2014, 08:37 AM
Yep , silver coin just made a comeback.

It's why the vampires in the banking industry hate it :)

oyarde
05-28-2014, 08:44 AM
I might be able to make even better deals at yard sales , I bet I can get more for a silver dime I pd $1.50 for than 2 FRN's.

oyarde
05-28-2014, 08:52 AM
Once a couple govt's implement this , it will start to get interesting . New hobby for me , circumventing bullshit .

oyarde
05-28-2014, 08:57 AM
Just a week or two ago I stopped at a nearby store for the first time and when I paid in cash, the clerk noted that almost everyone pays with plastic....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-27/government-plan-would-transform-israel-world%E2%80%99s-first-cashless-society



(http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-27/government-plan-would-transform-israel-world%E2%80%99s-first-cashless-society)

My guess is this is about the 18 sales tax they have that they call a VAT tax.Which applies to most domestic goods and services ......

Ronin Truth
05-28-2014, 09:19 AM
It's why the vampires in the banking industry hate it :) Silver is used for werewolves. Bankers hate crucifixes, garlic and mirrors.;)

oyarde
05-28-2014, 09:47 AM
Silver is used for werewolves. Bankers hate crucifixes, garlic and mirrors.;)

I will probably mold and load up some silver 30 Cal just in case .

Ronin Truth
05-28-2014, 10:00 AM
I will probably mold and load up some silver 30 Cal just in case .

FYI, Professor Van Helsing and the Lone Ranger would probably recommend 45 ACP because it's silly to have to fire twice. ;) :)

oyarde
05-28-2014, 10:19 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/img/10966/666cow.jpg?1241332171

I see you are a quick learner young Man .

oyarde
05-28-2014, 10:20 AM
FYI, Professor Van Helsing and the Lone Ranger would probably recommend 45 ACP because it's silly to have to fire twice. ;) :)

Maybe I should just go with the .50 Cal muzzle loader.LOL

francisco
05-28-2014, 10:53 AM
People will quickly find alternatives, whether it be barter, a convertible foreign currency, or even gold and silver coins.

Alternately they will find a way to pull it off within the system - nothing new about this. Officially purchases for one thing, in reality purchases for another. When I lived in NYC, downtown was filled with stores that sold little to nothing of their displayed goods.

The pols know very well that participants in the underground economy will find a way to make transactions within the system using "front" companies and "cutouts". This proposed setup will only introduce more legitimate-appearing middlemen who will actually pay at least some taxes on the underground transactions.

Just another money-grub by the biggest racketeers of all--government.

jbauer
05-28-2014, 12:56 PM
mehhh, they're probably recording your thoughts on this so they can get the next audit list ready. But honestly, what don't governments get. Humans are going to be humans.

Frankly, if all this spying crap was worth the Billions of dollars we're spending. Surely they would have caught the crazy kid from CA before he went on his rampage.

Anti Federalist
05-28-2014, 03:45 PM
the hubris of these idiots. they think they can 'ban cash'? seriously? sorry dipshits, people will just use one of the many foreign currencies swirling around to do business, or barter, use electronic currencies, etc. i can't help but laugh at governments when they think they have the authority/power to do this kind of shit.

They won't have to ban shit.

Idiot AmeriKa will willingly embrace this.

They already have, I see it everyday, people swiping plastic for a coffee and donut.

And the banksters get a piece of each transaction.

All government will have to do is ban and enforce the "prohibited items" list.

Which will be cross referenced into the credit/debit card databases.

You will then be expected to sit, compliant, and await SWAT which will be there shortly to arrest you.

The future is fail.

oyarde
05-29-2014, 01:24 AM
They won't have to ban shit.

Idiot AmeriKa will willingly embrace this.

They already have, I see it everyday, people swiping plastic for a coffee and donut.

And the banksters get a piece of each transaction.

All government will have to do is ban and enforce the "prohibited items" list.

Which will be cross referenced into the credit/debit card databases.

You will then be expected to sit, compliant, and await SWAT which will be there shortly to arrest you.

The future is fail.
Sounds about right , but I will not surrender .

Warrior_of_Freedom
05-29-2014, 01:52 AM
The biggest criminals are the ones who run the currency ITSELF

Warrior_of_Freedom
05-29-2014, 02:48 AM
mehhh, they're probably recording your thoughts on this so they can get the next audit list ready. But honestly, what don't governments get. Humans are going to be humans.

Frankly, if all this spying crap was worth the Billions of dollars we're spending. Surely they would have caught the crazy kid from CA before he went on his rampage.
why would they care about mundanes killing other mundanes?