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James_Madison_Lives
05-25-2014, 01:47 PM
In 2007 the Chicago Tribune reported (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,3721192,full.story) on the surviving crew of the USS Liberty and wrote:


"Four decades later, many of the more than two dozen Liberty survivors located and interviewed by the Tribune cannot talk about the attack without shouting or weeping..."

Former Chief of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Navy Admiral Thomas Moorer (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-moorer.html) concluded in his investigation:


"attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States." - Admiral Thomas Moorer, "A fair probe would attack Liberty misinformation," (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-moorer.html) Stars and Stripes, January 16, 2004


Admiral Moorer also said:


"Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most-seriously wounded. - Admiral Thomas Moorer, Stars and Stripes, 2004"


Admiral Thomas Moorer
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/ADM_Thomas_Moorer.JPG/250px-ADM_Thomas_Moorer.JPG


The UK Guardian reports (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel):


''Throughout the morning, the ship sailed on, with reconnaissance repeated at approximately 30-minute intervals. At one point, an Israeli air force Noratlas Nord 2501 circled the ship and headed back towards the Sinai. "It had a big Star of David on it and it was flying just a little bit above our mast," recalled crew member Larry Weaver. "I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at me - I could see him that well. There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag. They could damn near see my rank. The underway flag was definitely flying, especially when you're that close to a war zone.""

Chicago Tribune story, 2007: "New revelations in attack on American spy ship - chicagotribune.com" (http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/eedition/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,43090.story)

Israeli recon planes circled the ship for 6 hours on a clear morning, knowing it was an American ship and knowing it was the Liberty.. In the 3 hour attack that followed, rounds meant for tanks punched through the thin steel hull like tissue paper, and slaughtered men deep inside their living quarters.

One Israeli pilot who refused to carry out the mission was arrested upon landing, and later spoke with Congressman Pete McClosky:


"Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested." - Whatreallyhappened.com (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html)

Why did Israel do it? At the time, Israel was engaged in the 1967 war against Egypt. The BBC documentary Dead in the Water (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2002/06_june/08/uss_liberty.shtml) asserts, in its official press release, that the attack was:


"a daring ploy by Israel to fake an Egyptian attack on the American spy ship, and thereby provide America with a reason to officially enter the war against Egypt."

The plan went awry because the Liberty was supposed to sink with all hands and leave no witnesses. In short, the heroism of the crew which fought fires and damage, even while wounded, prevented the ship from sinking, and perhaps prevented WWIII. Russia had promised to defend Egypt, and reports are that LBJ was sending nuclear tipped warheads on planes to Cairo.

The USS Liberty attack, in which 32 American sailors were killed by Israeli warplanes and gunboats, which was later deemed to be an "accident" by a congressional investigation, is still arousing controversy. The survivors are still calling for a new investigation so they can get justice while they live.

On this Memorial Day, call your congressman for a new investigation. Let the surviving crew members of the USS Liberty know that they are not forgotten.

Official survivors' page: USS Liberty Memorial (http://www.gtr5.com)

Admiral Thomas Moorer, "A fair probe would attack Liberty misinformation," (http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-moorer.html) Stars and Stripes, January 16, 2004

USS Liberty Survivor Phil Tourney
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QCDjoc7FBbk
Rare Photos taken by crew posted at official USS Liberty survivors website www.gtr5.com (http://www.gtr5.com)

Recon aircraft
http://www.gtr5.com/gallery/before/lg0044.jpg

Israeli torpedo boat
http://www.gtr5.com/image-viewer.htm?gallery/during/lg0077.jpg

Starboard damage
http://www.gtr5.com/image-viewer.htm?gallery/after/lg0093.jpg

http://www.ifamericaknew.org/images/libbodybags.jpg

http://www.newislander.com/ports/2010/01/unveiling_the_attack_on_the_uss_liberty/diagram.jpg

Tywysog Cymru
05-25-2014, 01:54 PM
Why would Israel attack its own allies?

kcchiefs6465
05-25-2014, 01:58 PM
Why would Israel attack its own allies?
From the OP,



Why did Israel do it? At the time, Israel was engaged in the 1967 war against Egypt. The BBC documentary Dead in the Water asserts, in its official press release, that the attack was:


"a daring ploy by Israel to fake an Egyptian attack on the American spy ship, and thereby provide America with a reason to officially enter the war against Egypt."

twomp
05-25-2014, 02:21 PM
Why would Israel attack its own allies?

That's not the only time our "ally" tried to false flag us:


The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned civilian targets, cinemas, libraries and American educational centers. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.[2] The operation caused no casualties, except for those members of the cell who committed suicide after being captured.

The operation ultimately became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon was forced to resign as a consequence of the incident. Before Lavon's resignation, the incident had been euphemistically referred to in Israel as the "Unfortunate Affair" or "The Bad Business" (Hebrew: העסק הביש‎, HaEsek HaBish). After Israel publicly denied any involvement in the incident for 51 years, the surviving agents were officially honored in 2005 by being awarded certificates of appreciation by Israeli President Moshe Katzav.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Christian Liberty
05-25-2014, 02:26 PM
Why are we acknowledging Memorial Day at all? I've already seen two threads with this in the title? Can't this be one place where we ignore the State's idolatrous "holy days" or actively condemn them?

The US is a far more aggressive nation than Israel. And American aggression is being perverted into "defense" right around this time of year. Its awful...

JK/SEA
05-25-2014, 03:55 PM
False Flag Rememberance Day 2014....

gives ya a warm and fuzzy feeling.

asurfaholic
05-25-2014, 07:09 PM
Why are we acknowledging Memorial Day at all? I've already seen two threads with this in the title? Can't this be one place where we ignore the State's idolatrous "holy days" or actively condemn them?

The US is a far more aggressive nation than Israel. And American aggression is being perverted into "defense" right around this time of year. Its awful...

Exactly right?

Can't seem to get away from flag waving little shits.

But this thread is good for ammo to use in conversation, so no foul.

vita3
05-25-2014, 08:19 PM
Lyndon Johnson has gotten a historical pass on the covering up Israel's attack on the US Navy. Not cool.

heavenlyboy34
05-25-2014, 09:35 PM
Exactly right?

Can't seem to get away from flag waving little shits.

But this thread is good for ammo to use in conversation, so no foul.
Hey, sonny! This is 'Murica! Wave yer flag n' pledge allegiance n' don't ask no questions! ;)

purplechoe
05-25-2014, 10:13 PM
http://www.whale.to/b/uss_li4.jpg

squarepusher
05-25-2014, 10:42 PM
USS Liberty was a spy ship and wasn't supposed to be there
The US made a mistake and had it where they were told and agreed not to have it.
It was literally a military war zone.
And the Israelis mistook it for the enemy and blew the shite out of it.
Certainly a terrible mistake.
Blame someone in the US military and not the Israelis.
No wierd conspiracy at all.
Why would they?
And the PROOF is that the tapes of what happened are now declassified, so they prove what the Israelis were saying all along and disproved the wierd conspiracy stuff.
It's just an excuse to hate Jews.

TaftFan
05-25-2014, 10:59 PM
Another conspiracy theory universally panned by experts which somehow still gains traction.

kcchiefs6465
05-25-2014, 11:09 PM
Another conspiracy theory universally panned by experts which somehow still gains traction.
What's the conspiracy?

It seems quite clear from a historical perspective that our best good friend in the Middle East machine gunned, bombed and used napalm on the USS Liberty.

Tywysog Cymru
05-26-2014, 06:19 AM
That's not the only time our "ally" tried to false flag us:

Was Israel our ally yet?

pcosmar
05-26-2014, 08:10 AM
It's just an excuse to hate Jews.

Wow, now that is a leap of twisted logic.
Calling out a Governmental body for their criminal actions is Racial hatred.. :(

pcosmar
05-26-2014, 08:12 AM
Another conspiracy theory universally panned by experts which somehow still gains traction.

Not a theory.
It was a deliberate attack on an American ship in international waters.

vita3
05-26-2014, 09:38 AM
Hating Jews because the military of Israel killed 32 US Servicemnan?... That's a streeeeeetch

Happy Memorial Day America!!

liberty2897
05-26-2014, 10:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98jxoUUrzg


Before Israeli commandos shot 9 peace activists to death aboard the Mavi Marmara, 34 American military men were killed by Israeli jet fighter planes. It happened in 1967 during the 6 day war and it became an event these men and women would live with for the rest of their lives. For 40 years survivors of the USS Liberty -- sworn under oath -- were forbidden to tell their stories. But today, the surviving crewmen talk candidly about the dreadful day their nearly lost their lives. They gathered at the Arlington National Cemetery for the somber memorial service.

William R
05-26-2014, 11:15 AM
Another conspiracy theory universally panned by experts which somehow still gains traction.


No No No No

Loss of Liberty

http://vimeo.com/7434849

ClydeCoulter
05-26-2014, 11:34 AM
Hating Jews because the military of Israel killed 32 US Servicemnan?... That's a streeeeeetch

Happy Memorial Day America!!

Huh? Where'd you get that?

edit: Jews aren't one monolithic being. Hating what one group does, does not imply hating all people of that religion.

kcchiefs6465
05-26-2014, 11:49 AM
Huh? Where'd you get that?

edit: Jews aren't one monolithic being. Hating what one group does, does not imply hating all people of that religion.
Post 11.

James_Madison_Lives
06-02-2014, 10:37 PM
USS Liberty was a spy ship and wasn't supposed to be there
The US made a mistake and had it where they were told and agreed not to have it.
It was literally a military war zone.
And the Israelis mistook it for the enemy and blew the shite out of it.
Certainly a terrible mistake.
Blame someone in the US military and not the Israelis.
No wierd conspiracy at all.
Why would they?
And the PROOF is that the tapes of what happened are now declassified, so they prove what the Israelis were saying all along and disproved the wierd conspiracy stuff.
It's just an excuse to hate Jews.


First, what does where they were have to do with being attacked deliberately, with the goal of sending it to the bottom of the sea and blaming Egypt? So that the US would attack Israel's enemies and do its dirty work for them? They all knew it was American and one Israeli pilot even refused to attack and was arrested upon landing. They flew recon all morning close enough to wave at the guys on the unmistakable intelligence ship which looked nothing like the Egyptian horse transport one-half the size. Then they attacked it for 2 full hours, rocketed it, strafed it, torpedoed it with gun boats, then machine-gunned the life boats. HOW DO YOU MACHINE GUN LIFE BOATS BY ACCIDENT?

Second, it was not in the "wrong place." It was 100 miles into international waters.

You sound like a typical Zionist disinfo, spouting all the transparent lies which dishonor our dead. The "it's all just an excuse to hate Jews" seals it.


http://www.newislander.com/ports/2010/01/unveiling_the_attack_on_the_uss_liberty/diagram.jpg

puppetmaster
06-02-2014, 10:54 PM
USS Liberty was a spy ship and wasn't supposed to be there
The US made a mistake and had it where they were told and agreed not to have it.
It was literally a military war zone.
And the Israelis mistook it for the enemy and blew the shite out of it.
Certainly a terrible mistake.
Blame someone in the US military and not the Israelis.
No wierd conspiracy at all.
Why would they?
And the PROOF is that the tapes of what happened are now declassified, so they prove what the Israelis were saying all along and disproved the wierd conspiracy stuff.
It's just an excuse to hate Jews.

You are an evil person. Ignore facts and spout your hate for these Americans and anyone not Jew somewhere else.

acptulsa
06-03-2014, 12:23 AM
Was Israel our ally yet?

Since before the nation was created.

Does it matter? We were not at war with them at the time. We have never been at war with them.

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-03-2014, 02:08 AM
Since before the nation was created.

Does it matter? We were not at war with them at the time. We have never been at war with them.

but they are at war with us.

puppetmaster
06-03-2014, 11:31 PM
McCains father was the leader of the investigation? Hmm that explains a lot....

James_Madison_Lives
06-04-2014, 01:19 PM
but they are at war with us.

Israel is run by a criminal government which can only acheive its geopolitical ambitions by stabbing its friends in the back, using the American Army to decimate Muslims. The fact of the USS Liberty make the allegation that Mossad and American Neocons were behind 9/11 almost a slam-dunk. What was the result of 9/11? The overthrow of Saddam and the utter destruction of Iraq, which Israel considered a mortal enemy. And American Neocons had been openly writing of just such an agenda for decades.


Dr. Dahlia Wasfi, Jewish-Iraqi activist, explains this as does former US Army War College director Dr. Alan Sabrosky.

RonPaulForums thread:
American Neocons Working for Israel Were Masterminds Behind 9/11
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?453297-American-Neocons-Working-for-Israel


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqd01X-BKM

Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at US Army War College,
General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research. Concludes
that a combination of treasonous elements in the US government and
Israeli MOSSAD orchestrated 9/11, in order to enable invasion of Iraq.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPLU4N7gmY4

vita3
06-04-2014, 01:49 PM
Thanks for the Dr. Dahlia Wasfi interview. I found it brilliant yet simple to digest