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Anti Federalist
05-21-2014, 08:04 PM
Medical Fascists and Cops, forcibly drawing bodily fluids against people's will.

Yeah, where have I heard that before...???


Police confiscate Indiana man’s bodily fluids using forced catheterization

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/william-clark/

SCHERERVILLE, IN — A federal lawsuit alleges that police officers forged the results of a breath alcohol test and then forcibly penetrated a man’s body with a catheter to extract his bodily fluids.

William B. Clark, 23, gave a disturbing account detailing official police misconduct and invasive, forced medical procedures.

Clark, of Crown Point, was pulled over on the evening of May 20, 2012, while driving on U.S. 30 near its intersection with U.S. 41, on suspicion of driving under the influence.

Schererville Police Officer Matthew Djukic initiated the traffic stop, and Officer Damian Murks responded in a separate vehicle. Mr. Clark was asked to perform a Breathalyzer test, which he did.

The suit alleges that the results of the breath test were falsely reported to create a pretext to arrest Clark. The legal limit in Indiana is 0.08 BAC, police claimed Clark’s was 0.11 BAC. While on the scene, Officer Djukic searched the interior of Clark’s car with a canine, a process Clark says was done illegally.

Mr. Clark was then taken to the St. Margaret Mercy Hospital in nearby Dyer, Indiana. Clark submitted to a blood test, the lawsuit states, which showed that his BAC only 0.073 — below the legal limit. The blood test is the most accurate method to measure blood-alcohol content.

As the case against Mr. Clark began to fall apart, officers required that Mr. Clark provide a urine sample. However, Clark wasn’t able to urinate. Officer Djukic allegedly became impatient and made an effort to forcibly extract a urine sample. Clark states that he was physically restrained by Officer Djukic while hospital staff moved in to force a catheter through his penis to extract urine. The suit claims Officer Murks was complicit in the process.

During the forced catheterization, Clark “loudly moaned in pain.” He states that the process was “painful, degrading and humiliating.”

Despite the blood test that indicated he was legal to drive, Mr. Clark was arrested for operating a vehicle while intoxicated.

In Indiana, those who refuse chemical tests generally have their driver’s licenses suspended. Forced fluid extraction requires a warrant. (See IC 9-30-6-7)

Clark has filed a federal lawsuit with the U.S. District Court in Hammond. Named as defendants are Officer Matthew Djukic, Officer Damian Murks, the town of Schererville, and the Franciscan Alliance which owns the hospital.

moostraks
05-21-2014, 08:38 PM
Good gravy and after being below the level they still arrested him?:mad:

ETA These stories just make me feel so angry and frustrated. And hopeless...I cannot imagine what this must have been like to be abused by such animals who at most seem to get a vacation for their crimes. :mad:

RJB
05-21-2014, 08:48 PM
I'm pissed at the hospital staff. The doctors and nurses jump to it when officer no-neck (no medical degree) orders a MEDICAL PROCEDURE? The doctors and nurses should have their licenses yanked. What kind of "healthcare" provider would do this? The Hippocratic Oath?

Cleaner44
05-21-2014, 08:49 PM
Josef Mengele would have been right at home in the modern USA police state.

moostraks
05-21-2014, 08:52 PM
I'm pissed at the hospital staff. The doctors and nurses jump to it when officer no-neck (no medical degree) orders a MEDICAL PROCEDURE? The doctors and nurses should have their licenses yanked. What kind of "healthcare" provider would do this? The Hippocratic Oath?

My experience with the healthcare system is they are a resource agency of the state that we get the privilege of being forced to support financially. I hate hospitals...

Anti Federalist
05-21-2014, 09:12 PM
ETA These stories just make me feel so angry and frustrated. And hopeless...I cannot imagine what this must have been like to be abused by such animals who at most seem to get a vacation for their crimes. :mad:

They do the same thing to me.

But, trust me, it's not hopelessness or helplessness that I'm trying to get across.

These abuses will not stop, indeed, they will only get worse, unless and until there is significant pushback from we, the people.

There is no other way in which to agitate for that pushback, except by documenting these, increasingly frequent and increasing brutal, abuses.

Anti Federalist
05-21-2014, 09:31 PM
My experience with the healthcare system is they are a resource agency of the state that we get the privilege of being forced to support financially. I hate hospitals...

Hospitals = Polite prisons.

amy31416
05-21-2014, 09:37 PM
Cops seem particularly out of control in Indiana, not sure why.

phill4paul
05-21-2014, 09:47 PM
I will never allow myself to be arrested. Ever. You can read all about it in the obituaries.

kahless
05-21-2014, 09:48 PM
I'm pissed at the hospital staff. The doctors and nurses jump to it when officer no-neck (no medical degree) orders a MEDICAL PROCEDURE? The doctors and nurses should have their licenses yanked. What kind of "healthcare" provider would do this? The Hippocratic Oath?

I agree. I am guessing they did not question it since the order came from what they consider their infallible godly heroes.

The police and hospital staff should be behind bars for a minimum of 10 years for what is basically the worst kind of painful rape perpetuated on a man with possible life long lasting physical and mental complications.

Henry Rogue
05-21-2014, 10:08 PM
Cops seem particularly out of control in Indiana, not sure why.
What about the other 49?

Nirvikalpa
05-21-2014, 10:19 PM
I'm pissed at the hospital staff. The doctors and nurses jump to it when officer no-neck (no medical degree) orders a MEDICAL PROCEDURE? The doctors and nurses should have their licenses yanked. What kind of "healthcare" provider would do this? The Hippocratic Oath?

Yeah, I don't quite get it - especially when the blood test showed a 0.073 alcohol content. Can't exactly mess that one up (or mess WITH it).

My question... what were they going to do with the urine? Test it for alcohol? Laughable. Procedures for getting an accurate alcohol concentration in urine are outrageous - and usually require getting incredibly sensitive data from the donor (last drink time, and time of last urination) - if the donor was as drunk as the cops WANT you to think, his answers probably wouldn't be accurate at all.

But why do I have the feeling here they were actually going to use his urine for a quick-dip drug test...

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Either way it's outrageous... I will never put up with that. Never did. Those in health professions need to be especially conscious of rights.

amy31416
05-21-2014, 10:24 PM
What about the other 49?

I watch, with particular interest, the few states I've considered moving to. I expect these things from CA, NY, IL, etc.

Danke
05-21-2014, 10:28 PM
Don't register you vehicle, you are then driving property of the state as you have surrendered title.

DFF
05-21-2014, 10:54 PM
The abuses being inflicted on ordinary citizens in the name of preventing DWI have gone way overboard.

I hope this victim of sexual assault sues the fuck out of the police department that violated his rights.

And I hope the piece of shit police officer that forcibly had urine removed is thrown off the force and in jail.

This incident and the many like it, illustrate just how far the US criminal justice system has fallen.

The police, which previously functioned as "keepers of the peace," have now devolved in to torturing extortionists, who help the state steal as much money and as much liberty as possible from the very citizens their supposed to be protecting.

francisco
05-21-2014, 10:57 PM
All these Cop abuse stories are disturbing and depressing.

An obvious question is whether these incidents are increasing in frequency. I think it is more likely that they have always been happening, but there is more scrutiny and sharing of information (due to the internet and ability to easily film/ document the events.

oyarde
05-21-2014, 11:10 PM
Cops seem particularly out of control in Indiana, not sure why.
That is not really Indiana , that is the DMZ , Lake County , the Town Hall is on Joliet Street .They still have Wards there and all of the cops and people are from Illinois , no Hoosier South of Indianapolis would even drive through there. About 40 % of the Pop. is under 18 or over 55 and about zero percentage are below the poverty line. Think of it like living on the South side of Chicago , but the population is only 30k with the same police force and no poor people.Lake County should be ceded to Illinois.

oyarde
05-21-2014, 11:14 PM
I would avoid US 41 , 30 and I 94 , if I got pulled over , I would have to just assume I was under attack and act accordingly.

Anti Federalist
05-21-2014, 11:15 PM
All these Cop abuse stories are disturbing and depressing.

An obvious question is whether these incidents are increasing in frequency. I think it is more likely that they have always been happening, but there is more scrutiny and sharing of information (due to the internet and ability to easily film/ document the events.

The stunning number of militarized SWAT raids, the dog killings, the asset forfeiture seizures and the forced taking of bodily fluids are relatively new.

The beatings, shootings and cover ups of just routine abuse and violence have been going on for a long time.

pcosmar
05-21-2014, 11:42 PM
All these Cop abuse stories are disturbing and depressing.

An obvious question is whether these incidents are increasing in frequency. I think it is more likely that they have always been happening, but there is more scrutiny and sharing of information (due to the internet and ability to easily film/ document the events.

It is both,, and all
They have always been happening.. and they are increasing. and information is being shared.

I have watched the increase of police in my lifetime. and experienced abuse very long ago,, when the police force was small.

kcchiefs6465
05-22-2014, 12:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A


He did a couple other good ones, too.

Anti Federalist
05-22-2014, 12:06 AM
Because nothing says freedom more than 5 or 6 cops strapping you down and taking your body fluids against your will.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/forced-blood-draw_3.jpg

You know, years ago, when the MADD-women first showed up, I remember telling people how this would end up.

I didn't even realize it would go this far.

pcosmar
05-22-2014, 12:12 AM
You know, years ago, when the MADD-women first showed up, I remember telling people how this would end up.

I didn't even realize it would go this far.

I was 16 yrs old,, and had not even smoked my first joint the first time a cop cocked a gun behind my ear. Threatened with a gun to my head.
I was just walking down a street to get a pizza.

I don't trust any of them.

kcchiefs6465
05-22-2014, 12:14 AM
I was 16 yrs old,, and had not even smoked my first joint the first time a cop cocked a gun behind my ear. Threatened with a gun to my head.
I was just walking down a street to get a pizza.

I don't trust any of them.
Were you in the country or city?

oyarde
05-22-2014, 12:15 AM
What about the other 49?

Well , I dunno about Hawaii , but you can write the other 49 off for sure .

heavenlyboy34
05-22-2014, 12:24 AM
This thread fills my heart with freedom.

Spikender
05-22-2014, 12:53 AM
This thread fills my heart with freedom.

They start with your heart, but just wait until they get behind you with all that freedom...

amy31416
05-22-2014, 06:26 AM
That is not really Indiana , that is the DMZ , Lake County , the Town Hall is on Joliet Street .They still have Wards there and all of the cops and people are from Illinois , no Hoosier South of Indianapolis would even drive through there. About 40 % of the Pop. is under 18 or over 55 and about zero percentage are below the poverty line. Think of it like living on the South side of Chicago , but the population is only 30k with the same police force and no poor people.Lake County should be ceded to Illinois.

I thought it seemed rather "Chicago-ish."

TonySutton
05-22-2014, 07:17 AM
I had not heard of Schereville so it does not surprise me one bit to discover it is in the far NW corner.

Currently I am looking in Orange County down south but may end up closer to Bloomington although not in Monroe County.

PaulConventionWV
05-22-2014, 07:21 AM
All these Cop abuse stories are disturbing and depressing.

An obvious question is whether these incidents are increasing in frequency. I think it is more likely that they have always been happening, but there is more scrutiny and sharing of information (due to the internet and ability to easily film/ document the events.

I believe the statistics point to an increase in these incidents. Sure, this may have happened back in the 1980s, but just looking at the number of killings done by cops and the number of stop-and-frisks done in NYC will give you an idea of just how bad it's getting. It's going out of control. I'm sure AF can give you tons of statistics that point to exactly what I'm saying.

FindLiberty
05-22-2014, 07:44 AM
They start with your heart, but just wait until they get behind you with all that freedom...

Or, go in from the front with a catheter.

Working Poor
05-22-2014, 09:20 AM
I'm pissed at the hospital staff. The doctors and nurses jump to it when officer no-neck (no medical degree) orders a MEDICAL PROCEDURE? The doctors and nurses should have their licenses yanked. What kind of "healthcare" provider would do this? The Hippocratic Oath?

I agree whole heartedly I cannot believe any medical personnel would do such a thing.

oyarde
05-22-2014, 09:24 AM
I had not heard of Schereville so it does not surprise me one bit to discover it is in the far NW corner.

Currently I am looking in Orange County down south but may end up closer to Bloomington although not in Monroe County. Monroe is the poorest county in the State. In the outlying areas a dollar goes pretty far, nice scenery .

Anti Federalist
05-22-2014, 10:12 AM
I believe the statistics point to an increase in these incidents. Sure, this may have happened back in the 1980s, but just looking at the number of killings done by cops and the number of stop-and-frisks done in NYC will give you an idea of just how bad it's getting. It's going out of control. I'm sure AF can give you tons of statistics that point to exactly what I'm saying.

Great point, the warrantless "stop and frisk" program in NYC.

That is new, and now at well over a million a year.

The SWAT raids are new.

Balko reported that the number of SWAT raids is now over 50,000 a year.

People killed by cops is harder to get a firm number on because, guess what, no accurate complete records are being kept, outside of citizen agitators.

Looking at the rough numbers I would say it is lower than what it had been, but that is just a reflection on the lower rate of crime in general.

I'm not looking for numbers on justified shootings, I'm looking for the unjustified ones, and they do seem to be increasing.

PaulConventionWV
05-22-2014, 03:33 PM
Great point, the warrantless "stop and frisk" program in NYC.

That is new, and now at well over a million a year.

The SWAT raids are new.

Balko reported that the number of SWAT raids is now over 50,000 a year.

People killed by cops is harder to get a firm number on because, guess what, no accurate complete records are being kept, outside of citizen agitators.

Looking at the rough numbers I would say it is lower than what it had been, but that is just a reflection on the lower rate of crime in general.

I'm not looking for numbers on justified shootings, I'm looking for the unjustified ones, and they do seem to be increasing.

I see. Very interesting.

DFF
05-22-2014, 03:44 PM
Because nothing says freedom more than 5 or 6 cops strapping you down and taking your body fluids against your will.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/forced-blood-draw_3.jpg

You know, years ago, when the MADD-women first showed up, I remember telling people how this would end up.

I didn't even realize it would go this far.

This happens frequently in Texas.

People being strapped down to gurneys while some jackass sticks a needle in their arm. No option for refusal.

To say this shit has gone too far is an understatement.

Occam's Banana
05-22-2014, 05:56 PM
I thought it seemed rather "Chicago-ish."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScvAJG51V4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScvAJG51V4

HOLLYWOOD
05-22-2014, 06:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5mZ5FBHg0A


He did a couple other good ones, too.Boy I'd like to have the text of this video... mail it out to every; co-worker, relative, and neighbor. It's so damn true, every bit of it.

Pericles
05-22-2014, 07:05 PM
Best line from the best letter ever written:

I will not take this matter to court, for the law is too slow.
The recipients died bankrupt - among other misfortunes.

kcchiefs6465
05-22-2014, 11:53 PM
Boy I'd like to have the text of this video... mail it out to every; co-worker, relative, and neighbor. It's so damn true, every bit of it.
All respect goes to the author, Larken Rose. If you're able buy his book, The Iron Web.


You cannot begin to imagine in how many ways the world is the opposite of what you have been taught to believe.

You see the guy who sells drugs to willing customers so he can feed his family as the scum of the earth, while you see the hypocrite who gives away stolen money in the name of government, as a saint.

You see the guy who tries to avoid been robbed by the federal thugs as a crook and a tax cheat, but see as virtuous the politician who gives away the same stolen loot to people whom it does not belong.

You see the cop as a good guy when he drags a man away from his friends and family and throws him in prison for ten years for smoking a leaf, and you see anyone who defends himself from such barbaric fascism as the lowest form of life, a cop-killer.

In reality, most drug dealers are more virtuous than any government social worker, and prostitutes have far less to be ashamed of than political whores, because they trade only with what’s rightfully theirs, and only with those who want to trade with them.

The upstanding church-going law-abiding tax-paying citizen who vote’s democrat or republican, is far more despicable, and a bigger threat to humanity, than the most promiscuous lazy drug snorting hippy.

WHY?

Because the hippy is willing to let others be free, and the voter is NOT.

The damage done to society by bad habits and loose morality is NOTHING, compared to the damage done to society by the self righteous violence committed in the name of the state.

You imagine yourselves to be charitable and tolerant when you are nothing of the sort, even the Nazis’ had table manners and proper etiquette when they weren’t killing people, you think you’re good people because you say please and thank you?

You think sitting in that big building on Sunday makes you noble and righteous?

The difference between you and a common thief is that the thief has the decency to commit the crimes himself, while you whine for government to do you’re stealing for you.

The difference between you and the street thug is that the thug is open about the violence he commits, while you let others forcibly control your neighbors on your behalf.

You advocate theft, assault and even murder, but accept no responsibility for doing so.

You old folks want the government to steal from your kids so you get your monthly check.

You parents want all your neighbors to be robbed, to pay for your kids schooling.

You all vote for which ever crook promises to steal money from other people to pay for what you want.

You demand that people who engage in behaviors you don’t approve of, be dragged off and locked up but feel no guilt for the countless lives your whims have destroyed.

You even call the government thugs ‘representatives’ and yet you never take responsibility for the evil that they commit.

You proudly support the troops as they kill whomever the liars in DC tell them to kill and you feel GOOD about it.

You call yourselves Christians or Muslims or Jews or some other religion but the truth is, what you call your religion is empty window dressing, what you truly worship, the God you truly bow to, what you really believe in, is the State.

Thou shall not steal, though shall not murder, unless you can do it by way of government then it’s just fine isn't it?

If you call it ‘taxation’ and ‘war’ it stops being a sin right? After all, it was only your God that said you shouldn't steal and murder, but the State said it was ok, it’s pretty obvious which outranks the other in your minds.

Despite all the church’s, synagogues’ and mosques we see around us, this nation has one God and only one God and that God is called government.

Jesus taught none violence and told you to love your neighbor but the State encourages you to vote for people who will use the violence of government to butt into every aspect of everyone else’s life, which do you believe?

To those about to stone a woman who had committed adultery, Jesus said ‘let him who is without sin cast the first stone’ but the State says it’s perfectly fine to lock someone up if they do something which you find distasteful, such as prostitution, which do you believe?

The Christian God says ‘Thou shall not covet’ but coveting is the life-blood of the beast that is the State.

You were taught to hate, despise and resent anyone who has what you don’t have, you clamor for the State to tear other people down, steal their property and give it to you, and you call that fairness, the Bible calls it coveting and stealing.

You are not Christians, you are not Jews, you are not Muslims and you certainly aren't Atheists, you all have the same God and its name is government.

You’re all members of the most evil insane destructive cult in history; if there ever was a devil the State is it, and you worship it with all your heart and soul.

You pray to it to solve every problem, to satisfy all your needs, to smite your enemies and to shower its blessings upon you.

You worship what Nietzsche called ‘the coldest of all cold monsters’ and you hate those of us who don’t.

To you the greatest sin is disobeying God, ‘breaking the law’ you call it, as if anyone could possibly have any moral obligation to obey the arbitrary commands and demands of the corrupt lying delusional megalomaniacs who infest this despicable town.

Even your Ministers, Priests and Rabbi’s, most often than not, are traitors to their own religions, teaching that the commands of human authority should supersede adherents to the laws of the Gods they say they believe in.

Several years ago I heard one pompous evangelical jack-ass in particular, pontificating on the radio that anyone who disobeys the civil authority be it a king or any other government, is ‘engaging in rebellion against God’, those were the exact words he used. What if the government is doing something wrong? Well this salesman for Satan opine ‘that is the business of those in government and you are still obligated to obey’.

Everywhere you turn be it the State or the church, the media or the schools, you are taught one thing above all else, the virtue of subjugating yourselves to mortals who claim to have the right to rule you.

It is sickening the reverence in which you speak of the liars and thieves whose feet are so firmly planted on your necks, you call the congressmen and the judges ‘honorable’ and you swoon at the magnificence of the grandiose halls they inhabit, the temples they built to celebrate the domination of mankind.

You feel pride at being able to say you once shook a Senators hand or saw the President in person, ah yes, the grand deity himself, his royal highness the President of the United States of America, you speak the title as if you’re referring to God Almighty, the vocabulary has changed a bit but your mindset is no different from that of the grovelling peasants of old, who bowed low faces in the dirt with a feeling of unworthiness and humility when in the presence of whatever narcissist had declared himself to be their rightful lord and master.

The truth of the matter back then and today, is that these parasites who call themselves leaders are not superior beings, they’re not great men and women, they’re not honorable, they’re not even average.

The people who earn an honest living, from sophisticated entrepreneurs to illiterate day laborers doing the most menial tasks you can imagine, those people deserve your respect, those people you treat with courtesy and civility, but the frauds who claim the right to rule you and demand your subservience and obedience, they deserve only your scorn and contempt.

Those who seek so-called high office are the lowest of the low, they may dress better have larger vocabularies and do a better job of planning out and executing their schemes, but they are no better than pickpockets, muggers and car-jackers, in fact they are worse, because they don’t want to rob of just your possessions, they want to rob you of your very humanity, deprive you of your free will by slowly leeching away your ability to think, to judge, to act, reducing you to slaves in both body and mind.

And still you persist in calling them leaders, leaders? Where is it that you think you are going exactly that would require you to have a leader?

If you just live your own life and mind your own damn business, exercising your own talents, pursuing your own dreams striving to be what you believe you should be, what possible use would you have for a leader?

Do you ever actually think about the words that you hear, the words that you repeat?

You parrot oxymoronic terms such as ‘leader of the free world’.

Even pretending for a moment that there’s some huge journey or some giant battle, that everyone in the entire nation is undertaking together that would require a leader, why would you ever think even for a moment, that the crooks that infest this town are the sort of people you should listen to or emulate or follow anywhere. Somewhere within your mostly dormant brains you know full well that politicians are all corrupt liars and thieves, opportunistic con men, exploiters and fear-mongers, you know all this, and yet you still speak as though you are the ones who are the stupid vicious animals, while the politicians are the great wise role models, teachers and leaders, without whom civilization could not exist.

Do you think these crooks are the ones that make civilization possible? What belief could be more absurd, yet when they do their pseudo-religion rituals, deciding how to control you this week, you still call it law, and continue to treat their arbitrary demands as if they were moral decrees from the Gods, that no decent person would ever consider disobeying.

You have become so thoroughly indoctrinated into the cult of State worship that you are truly shocked when the occasional sane person states the bleeding obvious.

The mere fact that the political crooks wrote something down and declared their threats to be law, does not mean that any human being anywhere has the slightest moral obligation to obey.

Every moment of every day in every location and every situation, you have a moral obligation to do what YOU deem to be right, not what some bloated delusional windbag says is legal, and that requires you to first determine right and wrong for yourself, a responsibility you spend much time and effort trying to dodge.

You proclaim how proud you are to be law-abiding citizens and express your utter contempt for anyone who considers themselves ‘above’ your so-called ‘laws’, laws that are nothing more than the selfish whims of tyrants and thieves.

The word crime once meant ‘an act harmful to another person’, now it means ‘disobedience to anyone of the myriad of arbitrary commands coming from a parasitical criminal class’.

To you the word ‘crime’ is merely synonymous with the word ‘sin’, implying that the ones whose commands are being disobeyed must be something akin to Gods, when in truth they are more akin to leeches.

The very phrase ‘taking the law into your hands’ perfectly expresses what a sacrilege it is in your eyes for a mere human being to take upon himself the responsibility to judge right from wrong and act accordingly, instead of doing what you do, unthinkingly obeying whatever capricious commands this cesspool of maggots spews forth.

You glorify this criminal class as law-makers, and believe that no one is lower than a law-breaker, someone who would dare disobey the politicians, likewise you speak with pious reverence of law-enforcers, those who forcibly impose the politicians every whim on the rest of us.

When they State uses violence you imagine it to be inherently righteous and just, and if anyone resists, they are in your eyes, contemptible low lives, lawless terrorist criminals.

Like the lawless terrorist criminals who helped slaves escape the plantation.

Like the lawless terrorist criminals who helped Jews escape the killing machine of the Third Reich.

Like the lawless terrorist criminals who were crushed to death under the tanks of the Red Chinese government in Tienanmen Square.

Like all the lawless terrorist criminals in history who had the courage to disobey the never ending stream of tyrants and oppressors who have called their violence ‘authority’ and ‘law’, and that includes the lawless terrorist criminals who founded this country.

Everything you think you know is backwards, upside down and inside out, but what takes the cake, the height of your insanity, is that fact that you view as violent terrorists, the only people on the planet who oppose the initiation of violence against their fellow man, Anarchists, Voluntarists and Libertarians, we use violence only to defend ourselves against someone who initiates violence against us, we use it for nothing else.

Meanwhile your belief system is completely schizophrenic and self-contradictory.

One the one hand you teach the young slaves that violence is never the answer, yet out of the other side of your mouths you advocate that everyone and everything everywhere and at all times be controlled, monitored, taxed and regulated through the force of government.

In short, you are teaching your children that the masters may use violence whenever they please, but the slaves should never resist.

You indoctrinate your children into a life of unthinking helpless subservience, you are putting the chains around their little necks and fastening the lock tight, and worst of all, you feel good about it.

Out of one side of your mouths you condemn the evils of fascism and socialism, and lament the injustices of the regimes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao, while out of the other side of your mouths you preach exactly what they did – the worship of the collective, the subjugation of every individual to that evil insanity that wears the deceptive label ‘the common good’.

You babble on and on about diversity and open-mindedness then beg your masters to regulate and control every aspect of everyone’s lives, creating a giant herd of unthinking conformist drones.

You wear different clothes and have different hairstyles and you think that makes you different, yet all your minds are enslaved to the same club of masters and controllers.

You think what they tell you to think and you do what they tell you to do while imagining yourselves to be progressive, thinking and enlightened.

From your position of relative comfort and safety you now condemn the evils of other lands and other times, while turning a blind eye to the injustices happening right in front of you.

You tell yourself that had you lived in those other places, in those other times, you would have been among those who stood up against oppression and defended the down-trodden, but that is a lie. You would have been right there with the rest of the flock of well trained sheep, loudly demanding that the slaves be beaten, that the witches be burned, that the non-conformists and rebels be destroyed.

How do I know this? Because that is exactly what you are doing today, today’s injustices and oppressions are fashionable and popular, and those who resist them, you tell yourselves, are just malcontents and freaks, people whose rights don’t matter, people who deserve to be crushed under the boot of authority, isn’t that right?

You bunch of spineless unthinking hypocrites! Look in the mirror!

Take a look at what you imagine to be righteous and kind - you are the devil’s plaything.

The crowds of thousands wildly applauding the speeches of Adolf Hitler – that was YOU.

The mob demanding that Jesus Christ be nailed to the cross – that was YOU.

The white invaders who celebrated the whole-sale slaughter of those ‘Godless Redskins’ – that was YOU.

The throngs filling the Coliseum applauding as Christians were fed to the lions – that was YOU.

Throughout history the perpetual suffering and injustice occurring on an incomprehensible scale, it was all because of people JUST LIKE YOU – the well-trained thoroughly indoctrinated conformists, the people who do as they’re told, who proudly bow to their masters, who follow the crowd believing what everyone else believes and thinking whatever authority tells them to think, that is YOU.

And your ignorance is not because the truth is not available to you, there’s been radicals preaching it for thousands of years, no you are ignorant because you shun the truth with all your heart and soul, you close your eyes and run away when a hint of reality lands in front of you, you condemn as extremists and fringe cooks those who try to show you the chains you wear, because you don’t want to be free, you don’t even want to be human.

Responsibility and reality scare the hell out of you so you cling tightly to your own enslavement and lash out at any who seeks to free you from it, when someone opens the door to your cage you cower back in the corner and yell “Close it. Close it”.

Well some of us are finished with trying to save you, we've wasted enough effort trying to convince you that you should be free, all you ever do is spout back what your masters have taught you, that being free only leads to chaos and destruction, while being obedient and subservient leads to peace and prosperity.

There are none so blind as those who will not see, and you, you nation of sheep, would rather die than see the truth.

Anti Federalist
05-23-2014, 12:03 AM
Several years ago I heard one pompous evangelical jack-ass in particular, pontificating on the radio that anyone who disobeys the civil authority be it a king or any other government, is ‘engaging in rebellion against God’, those were the exact words he used. What if the government is doing something wrong? Well this salesman for Satan opine ‘that is the business of those in government and you are still obligated to obey’.

Romans 13.

heavenlyboy34
05-23-2014, 12:37 AM
Romans 13.
One of the most abused and distorted chapters in the bible. :(

Philhelm
05-23-2014, 06:56 AM
Romans 13.

Screw the Romans.

Anti Federalist
05-25-2014, 07:32 PM
The Troops are fighting for American Values, Memorial Day, bump.

(Even the copsuckers and soldier sniffers can't bring themselves to say "fighting for freedom" anymore.)