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charrob
05-21-2014, 07:29 PM
As Feared: House Guts USA Freedom Act, Every Civil Liberties Organization Pulls Their Support (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140520/17404727297/as-feared-house-guts-usa-freedom-act-every-civil-liberties-organization-pulls-their-support.shtml)


As we feared would happen, the House, under pressure from the White House, has completely watered down the USA FREEDOM Act. After a long (and, we've heard, contentious) battle among the different players, the bill that's moving to the floor tomorrow is even less useful than the already weakened version that passed out of both the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. Following the revelation of the new version of the bill late Tuesday, basically every civil liberties organization pulled their support for the bill.


EFF: (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/05/eff-dismayed-houses-gutted-usa-freedom-act)
Since the introduction of the USA FREEDOM Act, a bill that has over 140 cosponsors, Congress has been clear about its intent: ending the mass collection of Americans' calling records. Many members of Congress, the President's own review group on NSA activities, and the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board all agree that the use of Section 215 to collect Americans' calling records must stop. Earlier today, House Leadership reached an agreement to amend the bipartisan USA FREEDOM Act in ways that severely weaken the bill, potentially allowing bulk surveillance of records to continue. The Electronic Frontier Foundation cannot support a bill that doesn't achieve the goal of ending mass spying. We urge Congress to support uncompromising NSA reform and we look forward to working on the Senate's bipartisan version of the USA FREEDOM Act.


CDT: (https://cdt.org/press/house-leadership-moves-to-gut-usa-freedom-act/?tm_content=buffer170d0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Today, the Leadership of the House of Representatives gave the green light to an amendment to the USA FREEDOM Act that would significantly weaken the bill's ban on the government's bulk collection of data, despite the broader consensus that bulk collection must end. The Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT) and other civil liberties groups long supported the USA FREEDOM Act, but have withdrawn their support for the House version of the bill.

"This legislation was designed to prohibit bulk collection, but has been made so weak that it fails to adequately protect against mass, untargeted collection of Americans' private information. The bill now offers only mild reform and goes against the overwhelming support for definitively ending bulk collection," said CDT President and CEO Nuala O'Connor.


Open Technology Institute: (http://newamerica.net/node/110983)
House leaders should have allowed a vote on the compromise version of the USA FREEDOM Act that was already agreed to, rather than undermining their own members and caving in to the intelligence community's demands. We recognize the need for the USA FREEDOM Act to move forward now, in order to avoid a worse bill or no bill at all. However, we cannot in good conscience support this weakened version of the bill, where key reforms -- especially those intended to end bulk collection and increase transparency -- have been substantially watered down. We're gravely disappointed that rather than respecting the wishes of the unanimous Judiciary and Intelligence Committees, the House leadership and the Obama Administration have chosen to disrupt the hard-fought compromise that so many of us were willing to support just two weeks ago.

The original USA FREEDOM Act was a great leap forward on surveillance reform, and the compromise version of two weeks ago was still a big step forward, but today's version is merely leaning in the right direction. Much of what has been weakened in the House version of USA FREEDOM will have to be restored in the Senate before the privacy and civil liberties community will be willing to support this bill again.


Access: (https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/05/20/access-withdraws-conditional-support-for-usa-freedom-act?utm_content=buffer12de2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
Today, the U.S. House of Representatives' Rules Committee reported a dramatically different version of the USA FREEDOM Act meant to reform NSA surveillance activities than what was unanimously approved by both the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees two weeks ago.

Yesterday, Access expressed its concern after learning that House leaders and Obama administration met over the weekend to negotiate the bill and commented, "The version we fear could now be negotiated in secret and introduced on the House floor may not move us forward on NSA reform."

"It's greatly disappointing to witness House leaders succumb to the pressure applied by the Obama administration and others, turning its back on the compromise version of USA Freedom that so many supported just two weeks ago. The USA FREEDOM Act had previously passed through two committees before being secretly watered down behind closed doors. Access is forced to withdraw our support of the USA FREEDOM Act," said Amie Stepanovich, Senior Policy Counsel at Access.
This is unfortunate on many, many levels. I know many who are more cynical will suggest that this was the inevitable end to the process, but that's not true. A much stronger bill had the opportunity to move forward, but the White House -- despite President Obama's own promises -- put pressure on the House to change the bill and significantly weaken it. Basically, the White House has now made it clear that for all its talk about respecting the constitution and civil liberties, when it comes time to actually show real leadership, it won't do it, and instead will back efforts that make a mockery of basic civil liberties.

Anti Federalist
05-21-2014, 07:44 PM
This is unfortunate on many, many levels. I know many who are more cynical will suggest that this was the inevitable end to the process, but that's not true. A much stronger bill had the opportunity to move forward, but the White House -- despite President Obama's own promises -- put pressure on the House to change the bill and significantly weaken it. Basically, the White House has now made it clear that for all its talk about respecting the constitution and civil liberties, when it comes time to actually show real leadership, it won't do it, and instead will back efforts that make a mockery of basic civil liberties.

How is it not true?

Political pressure was brought to bear, the bill was gutted and the state marches forward yet again.

If you or anybody else thinks that the government is just going to back away, in any meaningful way, from the power it has taken years to accumulate, you are sadly mistaken.

We will get our freedom when we take it, and not a second before that.

ClydeCoulter
05-21-2014, 07:55 PM
How is it not true?

Political pressure was brought to bear, the bill was gutted and the state marches forward yet again.

If you or anybody else thinks that the government is just going to back away, in any meaningful way, from the power it has taken years to accumulate, you are sadly mistaken.

We will get our freedom when we take it, and not a second before that.

I keep watching, and is appearing to be as you have said. I still hope that everyone keeps fighting on each and every front according to their perspective and abilities. I really do hope that there is a peaceful solution to be found.

Anti Federalist
05-22-2014, 10:06 AM
I keep watching, and is appearing to be as you have said. I still hope that everyone keeps fighting on each and every front according to their perspective and abilities. I really do hope that there is a peaceful solution to be found.

Certainly we all hope for that, and while taking freedom sounds violent, it does not necessarily mean it is.

Bundy ranch was perfect example.

The only things that got hurt was the FedCoat's pride and maybe a scorpion or two got squished.

That needs to be repeated 100 times a day.

Brian4Liberty
05-22-2014, 10:15 AM
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Brian4Liberty
05-22-2014, 10:17 AM
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Brian4Liberty
05-22-2014, 10:25 AM
Amnesty International Withdraws Support for USA Freedom Act, Urges Stronger Reforms:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/amnesty-international-withdraws-support-for-usa-freedom-act-urges-stronger-reforms

angelatc
05-22-2014, 10:35 AM
take[/B] it, and not a second before that.

Yep. Even Scalia as much said so.

pcosmar
05-22-2014, 11:28 AM
Certainly we all hope for that, and while taking freedom sounds violent, it does not necessarily mean it is.

Bundy ranch was perfect example.

The only things that got hurt was the FedCoat's pride and maybe a scorpion or two got squished.

That needs to be repeated 100 times a day.

Every agency of the FEDGOV need to be monitored,, and met with overwhelming response of Armed (and peaceful) Citizens.
Virtually every time a SWAT unit rolls on any call.. it needs to be met by armed citizens.. And questioned as to their purpose.

Every Cop should be scrutinized by at least six people at all times,, every thing they say or do,, every day..

These animals need to be on a very short leash. If they are to be tolerated at all.

ZENemy
05-22-2014, 11:38 AM
Please brothers and sisters, understand the following statement:

Viable solutions are impossible from within the system, because the system is the problem.

thoughtomator
05-22-2014, 11:40 AM
I smell Eric Cantor in there somewhere.

HOLLYWOOD
05-22-2014, 11:59 AM
Of Course... any Congressional legislation titled does the exact opposite of such title. These tyrants have no intention to take away the surveillance state and spying on AMericans. Lawyer-up Congress just comes up with schemes to make it sound like they support the Constitution and Rights, but craft their legalese legislation to do nothing of the sort. Like the FEDERAL RESERVE Inspector General, who selected by the FEDERAL RESERVE, paid by the FEDERAL RESERVE. Does anyone think these people are going to protect them for free, when the Military/Security/Think Tank Industrial Complex provide them campaign contribution and eliminate competition in their states/districts.


I need to bring up some historical links of bullshit by Congressional politicians, this should never be forgotten, the continuance of the Capital Hill's DOG-n-PONY is for show:

March 2006: Senate Intel Committee Votes Down NSA Spying Investigation (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1698034&page=1)


November 2013: Senate Intel. Committee Bill Expands NSA Powers (http://on.aol.com/video/senate-intel--committee-bill-expands-nsa-powers-517997116)


October 2013: Sen. Feinstein’s Proposed Bill Would Incriminate Anyone Speaking Against NSA’s Spying and Courts (http://thestateweekly.com/sen-feinsteins-proposed-bill-would-incriminate-anyone-speaking-against-nsas-spying-and-courts/)


October 2013: EFF Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s New NSA Bill Will Codify and Extend Mass Surveillance of Americans (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/10/sen-feinsteins-nsa-bill-will-codify-and-extend-mass-surveillance)


March 2014: Hillary’s Private NSA Privacy of CPAC attendees, GOP delegates targeted (http://spectator.org/articles/58162/hillarys-private-nsa)


December 1997: Daily Telegraph - PRESIDENT CLINTON and Spying with NSA's Echelon (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/419662_.html)

Lucille
05-22-2014, 12:27 PM
Please brothers and sisters, understand the following statement:

Viable solutions are impossible from within the system, because the system is the problem.

QFT.

ZENemy
05-22-2014, 12:34 PM
QFT.

Thanks!

We cannot move forward until this truth sets in, once people realize that, we can move forward and start something new.

Spoa
05-22-2014, 02:12 PM
Here's the roll call: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll230.xml

"NO" was the right vote.

charrob
05-22-2014, 05:07 PM
Here's the roll call: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll230.xml

"NO" was the right vote.


Thanks!

CaseyJones
05-22-2014, 05:25 PM
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No1butPaul
05-23-2014, 07:46 AM
Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) released the following statement after his vote against the USA FREEDOM Act:

“I voted against the USA FREEDOM Act today because this legislation has too many loopholes that continue to allow unwarranted government access to internet communications and phone data of U.S. persons. Although I continue to believe it is critical that our intelligence community has the ability to obtain information needed to fight terrorism, collection of that information must not violate civil liberties. Unfortunately, this bill does not strike the right balance.”

Reason
05-23-2014, 10:02 AM
Amazing to me that many people still think government can be used to control government...