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phill4paul
05-19-2014, 07:14 AM
Martial Law, Detention Camps and Kangaroo Courts: Are We Recreating the Third Reich?

By John W. Whitehead
May 05, 2014

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”—Martin Niemoller

Despite what some may think, the Constitution is no magical incantation against government wrongdoing. Indeed, it’s only as effective as those who abide by it. However, without courts willing to uphold the Constitution’s provisions when government officials disregard it and a citizenry knowledgeable enough to be outraged when those provisions are undermined, it provides little to no protection against SWAT team raids, domestic surveillance, police shootings of unarmed citizens, indefinite detentions, and the like.

Unfortunately, the courts and the police have meshed in their thinking to such an extent that anything goes when it’s done in the name of national security, crime fighting and terrorism. Consequently, America no longer operates under a system of justice characterized by due process, an assumption of innocence, probable cause and clear prohibitions on government overreach and police abuse. Instead, our courts of justice have been transformed into courts of order, advocating for the government’s interests, rather than championing the rights of the citizenry, as enshrined in the Constitution.

Just recently, for example, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in U.S. v. Westhoven that driving too carefully, with a rigid posture, taking a scenic route, and having acne are sufficient reasons for a police officer to suspect you of doing something illegal, detain you, search your car, and arrest you—even if you’ve done nothing illegal to warrant the stop in the first place.

In that same vein, the U.S. Supreme Court declared in a 5-4 ruling in Navarette v. California that police officers can, under the guise of “reasonable suspicion,” stop cars and question drivers based solely on anonymous tips, no matter how dubious, and whether or not they themselves witnessed any troubling behavior.

And then you have the Supreme Court’s refusal to hear Hedges v. Obama, a legal challenge to the indefinite detention provision of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA), thereby affirming that the President and the U.S. military can arrest and indefinitely detain individuals, including American citizens, based on a suspicion that they might be associated with or aiding terrorist organizations.

All three cases reflect a mindset in which the rule of law, the U.S. Constitution, once the map by which we navigated sometimes hostile terrain, has been unceremoniously booted out of the runaway car that is our government, driven over and left for road kill on the side of the road. All that can be seen in the rear view mirror are the tire marks on its ragged frame.

What we are dealing with, as I document in my book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, is a run-away government hyped up on its own power, whose policies are dictated more by paranoia than need. Making matters worse, “we the people” have become so gullible, so easily distracted, and so out-of-touch that we are ignoring the warning signs all around us and failing to demand that government officials of all stripes—the White House, Congress, the courts, the military, law enforcement, the endless parade of bureaucrats, etc.—respect our rights and abide by the rule of law.

The Supreme Court’s refusal to hear the NDAA indefinite detention case—which challenged whether the government can lawfully lock up American citizens who might be deemed extremists or terrorists (the government likes to use these words interchangeably) for criticizing the government—is one such warning sign that we would do well to heed.

The building blocks are already in place for such an eventuality: the surveillance networks, fusion centers and government contractors already monitor what is being said by whom; government databases track who poses a potential threat to the government’s power; the militarized police, working in conjunction with federal agencies, coordinate with the federal government when it’s time to round up the troublemakers; the courts sanction the government’s methods, no matter how unlawful; and the detention facilities, whether private prisons or FEMA internment camps, to lock up the troublemakers.

For those who can read the writing on the wall, it’s all starting to make sense: the military drills carried out in major American cities, the VIPR inspections at train depots and bus stations, the SWAT team raids on unsuspecting homeowners, the Black Hawk helicopters patrolling American skies, the massive ammunition purchases by various federal agencies such as the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Education, the IRS and the Social Security Administration.

Viewed in conjunction with the government’s increasing use of involuntary commitment laws to declare individuals mentally ill and lock them up in psychiatric wards for extended periods of time, the NDAA’s provision allowing the military to arrest and indefinitely detain anyone, including American citizens, only codifies this unraveling of our constitutional framework.

Throw in the profit-driven corporate incentive to jail Americans in private prisons, as well as the criminalizing of such relatively innocent activities as holding Bible studies in one’s home or sharing unpasteurized goat cheese with members of one’s community, and it becomes clear that “we the people” have become enemies of the state.

Read more....https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/martial_law_detention_camps_and_kangaroo_courts_ar e_we_recreating_the_

KingNothing
05-19-2014, 07:25 AM
As usual, when a headline contains a yes or no question, the answer is no.

phill4paul
05-19-2014, 07:30 AM
As usual, when a headline contains a yes or no question, the answer is no.

Feel free to offer a counter-point as to why it is not.

Cutlerzzz
05-19-2014, 07:40 AM
Right, like Boobus is willing to do that.

"Why are there no more flat screen TVs?"

"Why is McDonald's being rationed? I need two Big Macs damnit!"

"Shit, they want me to work 50 hours this week instead of 40?!?"

"What happened to cheap foreign bullets? I need to stockpile them incase the government becomes tyrannical!"

"What happened to that sexy foreign news anchor? I thought she was hot!"

fisharmor
05-19-2014, 07:51 AM
Feel free to offer a counter-point as to why it is not.

Because the third reich was welcomed and ushered in by the people of Germany.
And when they came in they made trains run on time and turned the country around.
It was probably very easy to ignore all of Hitler's crazy talk because there were tangible benefits they could focus on.

Our situation is different because we aren't getting shit from this deal.
If we're going with tired metaphor then 1984 is way more apropos.

Ronin Truth
05-19-2014, 09:12 AM
The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America

Throw out everything you think you know about history. Close the approved textbooks, turn off the corporate mass media, and whatever you do, don't believe anything you hear from the government. The Rise of the Fourth Reich reveals the truth about American power.

In this explosive exposé, the legendary Jim Marrs explores the frighteningly real possibility that today, in the United States, an insidious ideology thought to have been vanquished more than a half century ago is actually flourishing. At the end of World War II, ranking Nazis, along with their young and fanatical protégés, used the loot of Europe to create corporate front companies in many countries, worming their way into corporate America. They brought with them miraculous weapons technology that helped win the space race. But they also brought their Nazi philosophy based on the authoritarian premise that the end justifies the means—including unprovoked wars of aggression and curtailment of individual liberties—which has since gained an iron hold in the "land of the free."

Jim Marrs has gathered compelling evidence of the effort that has been under way for the past sixty years to bring a form of National Socialism to modern America, creating in essence a new empire-or "Fourth Reich"!


http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fourth-Reich-Societies-Threaten/dp/0061245593/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1400511965&sr=1-5&keywords=Marrs%2C+Jim

enhanced_deficit
05-19-2014, 09:26 AM
Freedom situation seem to be getting worse since SWC dronegangsta came to scene.

coastie
05-19-2014, 09:37 AM
As usual, when a headline contains a yes or no question, the answer is no.


Feel free to offer a counter-point as to why it is not.

Lol, yeah right.
http://i62.tinypic.com/348sshs.jpg

Occam's Banana
05-19-2014, 09:57 AM
Are We Recreating the Third Reich?

The Third Reich? No.

HYDRA, though ...

https://i.imgflip.com/8wnmw.jpg

phill4paul
05-19-2014, 09:58 AM
Because the third reich was welcomed and ushered in by the people of Germany.
And when they came in they made trains run on time and turned the country around.
It was probably very easy to ignore all of Hitler's crazy talk because there were tangible benefits they could focus on.

Our situation is different because we aren't getting shit from this deal.
If we're going with tired metaphor then 1984 is way more apropos.

One big "terrorist" attack away of having a hardliner charge into office under the auspices of "making the trains run on time." And he will be welcomed and ushered in by the Boobus of AmeriKa. There is a systemic poison in government today to try and break everything. Once that is accomplished then all that is needed is a false-flag and Boobus will genuflect for a "real" president. IMHO.
Now, that may or may not happen. I don't think the notion that another Hitler would rise was really the point. I think the point is that all the machinations are being put in place. I think there is some validity to that argument.

Czolgosz
05-19-2014, 10:03 AM
Humans repackage their tyranny to fit the times. History is replete with evidence.

Suzanimal
05-19-2014, 10:19 AM
"soft totalitarianism" - Will Grigg

http://i.imgur.com/bJtZ0D3m.jpg

Anti Federalist
05-19-2014, 11:28 AM
Likewise, you still have a sizeable portion of the population today unconcerned about the government’s practice of spying on Americans, having been brainwashed into believing that if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. It will only be a matter of time before they learn the hard way that in a police state, it doesn’t matter who you are or how righteous you claim to be—eventually, you will be lumped in with everyone else and everything you do will be “wrong” and suspect.

dannno
05-19-2014, 11:54 AM
As usual, when a headline contains a yes or no question, the answer is no.

You're actually right, the leaders have different last names.

Anti Federalist
05-19-2014, 11:58 AM
A Germanic Reich?

No...

A new version of the USSR?

Oh hell yes...

We are under a level of surveillance the old DDR could have only dreamed about.

See, they learned their lesson the last go around. You cannot expect an authoritarian police state to continue and last, if the people can't get toilet paper or shoes.

But if you "allow" a certain level of material wealth, or even just convince the people that they do in fact have this wealth, you will be able to maintain an authoritarian society for centuries.

Fed, Entertained and Exercising Petty Power.

roho76
05-19-2014, 12:26 PM
"soft totalitarianism" - Will Grigg

http://i.imgur.com/bJtZ0D3m.jpg

Does that say "Free Speech Only" or "Free Speech Area"?

Anti Federalist
05-19-2014, 12:28 PM
Does that say "Free Speech Only" or "Free Speech Area"?

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/3/1/2/7/2/0/1/free-speech-unit-110103018386.jpeg

pcosmar
05-19-2014, 12:40 PM
Are We Recreating the Third Reich?


What makes you think it ever ended?
Oh, sure Hitler was removed and that war ended,, (it had served it's purpose) But National Socialism has never gone away.

Carson
05-19-2014, 04:39 PM
We've made them look like school children.

Deborah K
05-19-2014, 04:47 PM
Because the third reich was welcomed and ushered in by the people of Germany.
And when they came in they made trains run on time and turned the country around.
It was probably very easy to ignore all of Hitler's crazy talk because there were tangible benefits they could focus on.

Our situation is different because we aren't getting shit from this deal.
If we're going with tired metaphor then 1984 is way more apropos.

WE may not be getting 'shit from this deal', but Boobus is - to the tune of 40 million on food stamps, earned income credit, aid for dependent children, and so on. It's those people we need to worry about because they'll fall in lock-step when the time comes.

Deborah K
05-19-2014, 04:56 PM
Does anyone want to take a guess when mandatory chipping will take place? Our lifetime? Our children's? Grandchildren's?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDhDrFrs7as


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJPYOQM8po

And this seals the deal for all you folks that are going to call me a "tin foil hat" wearer. Biden during John Roberts confirmation hearing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQw68jl7KXc

DamianTV
05-19-2014, 05:26 PM
"soft totalitarianism" - Will Grigg

http://i.imgur.com/bJtZ0D3m.jpg

I cant quite make out that text, what does it say?

NoOneButPaul
05-19-2014, 05:31 PM
I really think the only way to win is to start bugging out to country life and doing everything in your power to deflate the economy. Save as much as you can in physical assets like guns, gold, silver, food, and water. Try your best to make your property your own nation and just consume as little as possible.

If we can crash our economy we can crash the monetary system that feeds the police state.

Get out there and start prepping. Make your property your nation and deflate deflate deflate... sell your stocks, bonds, everything, get out of their paper games, withdraw as much out of your bank account as you can without it affecting your living standard. Do everything you can to wreck it before they do become the 3rd reich.

Ronin Truth
05-19-2014, 05:37 PM
I cant quite make out that text, what does it say?
According to thread post #17 it says, "FREE SPEECH UNIT", whatever that really means.

Suzanimal
05-19-2014, 05:42 PM
I cant quite make out that text, what does it say?


According to thread post #17 it says, "FREE SPEECH UNIT", whatever that really means.

That's what it says. Sorry, I should've made it bigger.:o

Anti Federalist
05-19-2014, 06:03 PM
Does anyone want to take a guess when mandatory chipping will take place? Our lifetime? Our children's? Grandchildren's?
Within the next twenty years.

That's assuming no massive "terror" attack turns the country upside down.

Then it could happen overnight.

pcosmar
05-19-2014, 06:26 PM
Does anyone want to take a guess when mandatory chipping will take place? Our lifetime? Our children's? Grandchildren's?



And this seals the deal for all you folks that are going to call me a "tin foil hat" wearer. Biden during John Roberts confirmation hearing:

Invisible RFID Ink Safe For Cattle And People, Company Says
http://www.informationweek.com/invisible-rfid-ink-safe-for-cattle-and-people-company-says/d/d-id/1050602?

Forget Chips. They can do that with ink.. an RFID tattoo.


And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Google "Aadhaar"

HOLLYWOOD
05-19-2014, 06:39 PM
3rd Reich? I don't know about these Marxists that control the government... what do you think? Clowns in gowns fill the judicial "JUST-US" system. Every policy and operational plan conducted by the Nazis, has transpired in America today. Especially the national propaganda operations through media-.gov. Nationalist-Socialist etc... Oh, "freedom", what's that?

http://streetsofsalem.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/octopus-german-wolfe.jpg?w=490http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KgBT8kIRgBo/SwdaZA1mZ1I/AAAAAAAAGDQ/B19lmodJtH8/s400/People%27s+Court.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ba42Z0lCMAAfkzM.jpg:large

Pericles
05-19-2014, 06:43 PM
I really think the only way to win is to start bugging out to country life and doing everything in your power to deflate the economy. Save as much as you can in physical assets like guns, gold, silver, food, and water. Try your best to make your property your own nation and just consume as little as possible.

If we can crash our economy we can crash the monetary system that feeds the police state.

Get out there and start prepping. Make your property your nation and deflate deflate deflate... sell your stocks, bonds, everything, get out of their paper games, withdraw as much out of your bank account as you can without it affecting your living standard. Do everything you can to wreck it before they do become the 3rd reich.

The free state idea was too ambitious - do it at the county level.

pcosmar
05-19-2014, 08:47 PM
The free state idea was too ambitious - do it at the county level.

At the personal level,, then neighbors,, local community,, then other communities,, till you fill a county.

Zippyjuan
05-20-2014, 03:52 PM
Robert Reich was the second Reich. Who was the first Reich? If they are trying to recreate the third Reich does that mean they are cloning his son?
http://static.tumblr.com/po0tfwd/9pJktzci5/portrait.jpg

ZENemy
05-20-2014, 04:28 PM
History repeats itself every 20 years, so if we are recreating anything it is the USSR, where was the USSR in the 80's?

Philhelm
05-20-2014, 04:31 PM
History repeats itself every 20 years, so if we are recreating anything it is the USSR, where was the USSR in the 80's?

Eurasia.

heavenlyboy34
05-20-2014, 04:33 PM
Because the third reich was welcomed and ushered in by the people of Germany.
And when they came in they made trains run on time and turned the country around.
It was probably very easy to ignore all of Hitler's crazy talk because there were tangible benefits they could focus on.

Our situation is different because we aren't getting shit from this deal.
If we're going with tired metaphor then 1984 is way more apropos.
This^^ Hitler and the Nazi party were enormously popular in Germany. The party went from obscurity to dominance almost overnight under Hitler's leadership and charisma.

heavenlyboy34
05-20-2014, 04:34 PM
History repeats itself every 20 years, so if we are recreating anything it is the USSR, where was the USSR in the 80's?
Meh. The old Soyuz wasn't corporatist, so that analogy isn't close enough.

heavenlyboy34
05-20-2014, 04:36 PM
3rd Reich? I don't know about these Marxists that control the government... what do you think? Clowns in gowns fill the judicial "JUST-US" system. Every policy and operational plan conducted by the Nazis, has transpired in America today. Especially the national propaganda operations through media-.gov. Nationalist-Socialist etc... Oh, "freedom", what's that?


Pretty good post, but mixing up Marxists and fascists doesn't make sense...they oppose each other in most ways.