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Occam's Banana
05-17-2014, 11:57 AM
h/t LRC: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/05/no_author/90-of-war-deaths-are-civilians/

90% of All Deaths In War Are CIVILIANS
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/90-deaths-war-civilians.html
Washington's Blog (16 May 2014)

And the U.S. Launched 201 Out of the 248 Armed Conflicts Since the End of WWII

The June 2014 issue of the American Journal of Public Health (http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301778) notes (free PDF here (http://scientistsascitizens.org/2014/05/15/academics-and-scientists-on-preventing-war); hat tip David Swanson (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/public-health-experts-identify-militarism-threat.html)):

Around 90% of all deaths in war are civilians:

“The proportion of civilian deaths and the methods for classifying deaths as civilian are debated, but civilian war deaths constitute 85% to 90% of casualties caused by war, with about 10 civilians dying for every combatant killed in battle.”



Swanson notes: “A top defense of war is that it must be used to prevent something worse, called genocide. Not only does militarism generate genocide rather than preventing it, but the distinction between war and genocide is a very fine one at best.”


The U.S. launched 201 out of the 248 armed conflicts since the end of WWII:

“Since the end of World War II, there have been 248 armed conflicts in 153 locations around the world. The United States launched 201 overseas military operations between the end of World War II and 2001, and since then, others, including Afghanistan and Iraq ….”



U.S. military spending dwarfs all other countries:

“The United States is responsible for 41% of the world’s total military spending. The next largest in spending are China, accounting for 8.2%; Russia, 4.1%; and the United Kingdom and France, both 3.6%. . . . If all military . . . costs are included, annual [US] spending amounts to $1 trillion . . . . According to the DOD fiscal year 2012 base structure report, ‘The DOD manages global property of more than 555,000 facilities at more than 5,000 sites, covering more than 28 million acres.’ The United States maintains 700 to 1000 military bases or sites in more than 100 countries. . . .”
Here it is in visual form:


http://www.truth-out.org/images/images_2014_05/2014.5.13.Rasor.Chart.jpg

This may not be an accident ….

The Project On Military Procurement notes (http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/23658-your-must-do-assignment-for-2014-read-this-chart-and-pass-it-on):

To support its world-wide empire at the turn of the 19th century, Great Britain adopted the “two power standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Royal_Navy#The_.22two-power_standard.22),” which called for the Royal Navy to be equal to the combined strength of the next two largest navies in the world. The United States has more than doubled that standard as regards budgets, and yet our politicians and senior defense officials complain such outspending is inadequate.


In other words, America has apparently adopted an “total power standard” … spending more on military than most of the rest of the world combined:

The United States spent more on its military than the next 13 nations combined in 2011.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/01/4A8078449E794DFB8CC33ADD00A6F1AF.gif

Not only is war bad for civilians, it is also bad for the economy (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/war-economy.html) and makes us poor (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/war-destroying-economy.html). The oligarchs are the only ones who benefit (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/oligarchy-controls-american-foreign-policy.html).


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Origanalist
05-17-2014, 12:06 PM
I wish there was some way to make this so widely available thateveryone would be exposed to it. I don't know if it would be enough to overcome the "they keep us safe" indoctrination or not, but it couldn't hurt.

Zippyjuan
05-17-2014, 12:16 PM
The nature of wars changed. They used to be fought in the open along recognized lines- fighters separate from citizens and all wore uniforms. Now most fighting is in cities where there are lots of citizens and fighters are dressed like them. It can be impossible to distinguish them.


The U.S. launched 201 out of the 248 armed conflicts since the end of WWII:

“Since the end of World War II, there have been 248 armed conflicts in 153 locations around the world. The United States launched 201 overseas military operations between the end of World War II and 2001, and since then, others, including Afghanistan and Iraq ….”

Haven't verified the numbers yet, but it is a bit misleading. Says the US sent in some sort of military force to 201 locations but that does not mean the us "launched" the conflicts themselves as the first part says. It also includes places the US sent forces where there were not armed conflicts going on or peacekeeping operations. For example, Bosnia was a terrible civil war. The US sent in peace keepers yet the article would count this as the US "launching" the Bosnian civil war.

FloralScent
05-17-2014, 12:25 PM
The nature of wars changed. They used to be fought in the open along recognized lines- fighters separate from citizens and all wore uniforms. Now most fighting is in cities where there are lots of citizens and fighters are dressed like them. It can be impossible to distinguish them.

We knew we were firebombing and nuking civilians in WWII and Vietnam. Winning at all costs when your people's survival isn't even remotely at stake is beyond evil.

Zippyjuan
05-17-2014, 12:31 PM
Piece on Wiki about the 90% figure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio


In armed conflicts, the civilian casualty ratio (also civilian death ratio, civilian-combatant ratio, etc.) is the ratio of civilian casualties to combatant casualties, or total casualties. The measurement can apply either to casualties inflicted by or to a particular belligerent, casualties inflicted in one aspect or arena of a conflict or to casualties in the conflict as a whole. Casualties usually refer to both dead and injured. In some calculations, deaths resulting from famine and epidemics are included.

Starting in the 1980s, it was often claimed that 90 percent of the victims of modern wars were civilians.[1][2][3][4] The claim was repeated on Wikipedia's Did You Know on 14 December 2010. These claims, though widely believed, are not supported by detailed examination of the evidence, particularly that relating to wars (such as those in former Yugoslavia and in Afghanistan) that are central to the claims.[5] Some of the citations can be traced back to a 1991 monograph from Uppsala University[6] which includes refugees and internally displaced persons as casualties. Other authors cite Ruth Leger Sivard's 1991 monograph in which the author states “In the decade of the 1980s, the proportion of civilian deaths jumped to 74 percent of the total and in 1990 it appears to have been close to 90 percent.”[7]

The most comprehensive examination of civilian war deaths throughout history is by William Eckhardt,[8] in which Eckhardt states:

"On the average, half of the deaths caused by war happened to civilians, only some of whom were killed by famine associated with war...The civilian percentage share of war-related deaths remained at about 50% from century to century." (p. 97)

This article http://www.taphilo.com/history/war-deaths.shtml adds:

Civilian casualty figures for most wars are impossible to verify. Most historians and governments guessed at them. Some guess due in part that the records of the people living in an area were themselves destroyed, and sometimes they were never counted to hide the true losses from their own people as to the number killed as well as to keep those numbers from enemy.

Not saying there is some "magic number" of civilian deaths which is acceptable. There isn't.

Origanalist
05-17-2014, 12:48 PM
The nature of wars changed. They used to be fought in the open along recognized lines- fighters separate from citizens and all wore uniforms. Now most fighting is in cities where there are lots of citizens and fighters are dressed like them. It can be impossible to distinguish them.



Haven't verified the numbers yet, but it is a bit misleading. Says the US sent in some sort of military force to 201 locations but that does not mean the us "launched" the conflicts themselves as the first part says. It also includes places the US sent forces where there were not armed conflicts going on or peacekeeping operations. For example, Bosnia was a terrible civil war. The US sent in peace keepers yet the article would count this as the US "launching" the Bosnian civil war.

It wasn't the US's place to send anybody there. Peacekeepers? Oh please.

I'm not trying to jump on you Zippy, but what about all the conflicts we simply shove our faces into? Recent example....http://news.antiwar.com/2014/05/16/kerry-announces-increased-weapons-shipments-to-syria-rebels/

heavenlyboy34
05-17-2014, 01:26 PM
It wasn't the US's place to send anybody there. Peacekeepers? Oh please.

I'm not trying to jump on you Zippy, but what about all the conflicts we simply shove our faces into? Recent example....http://news.antiwar.com/2014/05/16/kerry-announces-increased-weapons-shipments-to-syria-rebels/
Uncle Sam should send in domestic peace keepers to keep an eye on the cops...

moostraks
05-17-2014, 01:31 PM
Famines and epidemics which occur due to the area being war torn should statistically be counted.

enhanced_deficit
05-18-2014, 09:58 AM
Related

The 12-Year War: 73% of U.S. Casualties in Afghanistan on Obama's Watch (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/entry.php?921-The-12-Year-War-73-of-U-S-Casualties-in-Afghanistan-on-Obama-s-Watch)

klamath
05-18-2014, 10:24 AM
People just can't be f**ing honest. Yeaw the US probably was involved but the US didn't start all those conflicts. Oh well it is on LRC, figures.

Anti Federalist
05-18-2014, 12:32 PM
People just can't be f**ing honest. Yeaw the US probably was involved but the US didn't start all those conflicts. Oh well it is on LRC, figures.

That came from a .pdf from the American Public Health Association.

I cannot confirm the exact language because it is behind a paywall.

The free version uses snips taken from the study:

http://scientistsascitizens.org/2014/05/15/academics-and-scientists-on-preventing-war/

JK/SEA
05-18-2014, 12:54 PM
' i spend all my money on guns, now i can't make the mortgage or buy food, but i feel safer, at least till i freeze or starve to death'...

kcchiefs6465
05-18-2014, 12:54 PM
People just can't be f**ing honest. Yeaw the US probably was involved but the US didn't start all those conflicts. Oh well it is on LRC, figures.
I'm sure the millions of children who've died would care about the semantics of whether or not the United States launched, funded, promoted, or simply pimped then profited from a war.

You really wouldn't want me to be honest.

euphemia
05-18-2014, 01:45 PM
This is why the US government needs to shift to a military objective that does not involve being a police force for the entire world. Our national defense should be exactly that, and John Kerry should be over in Nigeria trying to negotiate freedom for the hundreds of school girls who are being held hostage.

Warrior_of_Freedom
05-18-2014, 02:28 PM
This is why the US government needs to shift to a military objective that does not involve being a police force for the entire world. Our national defense should be exactly that, and John Kerry should be over in Nigeria trying to negotiate freedom for the hundreds of school girls who are being held hostage.
The U.S. isn't the police force of the world, it's the occupier of the world. There's always an ulterior motive before committing an action in "good faith" I just wish we saw benefit from the occupation, but the rich cocksuckers on top take all the pillaged wealth.