PBS Frontline: United States of Secrets

[Antischism]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/

Anyone watch this? Looks like it could be interesting. It's a really thorough thrashing of the NSA from its inception until now, from what I hear.

[CPUd]

I'm going to check it out next time it comes around. It looks to be an updated and more narrow-scoped version of the Bamford stuff and another 5-part series from Nova called "Counter Intelligence".

Some more discussion:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?451944-Frontline-United-States-of-Secrets

[twomp]

WOW! What an interesting documentary! There sure did have a lot of meetings in Dick Cheney's office during the bush years. I wonder how long before the NSA bans this video somehow. I look forward to seeing part 2.

[Lucille]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-17/united-states-secrets


Hardly a day goes by without some new revelation regarding the US surveillance leviathan's reach. In the following (part 1 of a 2-part series), PBS' FrontLine reveals the dramatic inside story of how the U.S. government came to monitor and collect the communications of millions of people around the world - and the lengths they went to trying to hide the massive surveillance program from the public. From 9/11 to Edward Snowden and on to NSA reform - what must be done... a must-watch for all US citizens (if they can spare some time away from The Voice or Flappy Birds).

Full vid at the link.

[muh_roads]

"I can't fathom big brother gubmint would ever do me wrong."

That NSA cryptologist, Edward Loomis @ 29:29, must be one dumb motherfucker when it comes to history.

Or he is lying that plans weren't in place before 2001. Notice how he just said "the 70's". He worked there throughout the 80's & 90's as well.

Maybe I'm the only one that got a vibe that he knows more...

[jct74]

part 2 is on tonight, time depending on you local PBS schedule.

[CPUd]

I didn't know about Cheney's lawyer getting into a pissing contest with the DOJ. Apparently, GW didn't either.

[twomp]

I didn't know about Cheney's lawyer getting into a pissing contest with the DOJ. Apparently, GW didn't either.

lol the documentary barely mentions Bush in any of this. Maybe he was out smelling the roses while Cheney ran the country.

[Kords21]

I thought it was a good if not scary documentary. A pretty good primer to Greenwald's new book that I just started reading. Sadly, I don't think too many people give a damn anymore.

[twomp]

Part two:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/#part-two-–-privacy-lost

[nayjevin]

I thought it was a good if not scary documentary. A pretty good primer to Greenwald's new book that I just started reading. Sadly, I don't think too many people give a damn anymore.

Influential people care though. Journalists care, high ranking members of the intelligence community do too.

[jbauer]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/

Anyone watch this? Looks like it could be interesting. It's a really thorough thrashing of the NSA from its inception until now, from what I hear.

Only caught the last 25%. Fascinating!! Going to try and find the entire 2 episodes online somewhere.

[nayjevin]

Here are extended interviews:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/oral-history/united-states-of-secrets/

Link to online videos of the documentary itself:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/

[Lucille]

Part 1:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WUe6qyEXoJQ

Part 2:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAMg_xwRGEY

[UWDude]

Frontline is one the best documentary series in the history of mankind.
I have said it before, and I will say it again, it is worth watching every single episode they have posted.
Every single one is amazing. And watching it, you know you are seeing truth.
I am currently watching "Generation Like"
It (Frontline) is one of the best, if not the best, forces for truth.

[Zippyjuan]

Part II pretty much says it was the internet companies desire for profits which led to it. They made money from advertising so to attract more advertising, they developed ways to try to figure out what people wanted- they started collecting data on them. Cookies. What websites they visit. What sorts of things they search for. What they talk about in emails or on Facebook. They used it to target advertising and an "arms race" of information ensued- each wanting to attract more advertisers than the other by having better data. The NSA started hopping in on what they were doing- sometimes literally piggybacking on the company cookies. If it is legal for them to get and use the info and even sell it, why should it be illegal for government to use the same information? the argument was.

[nayjevin]

If it is legal for them to get and use the info and even sell it, why should it be illegal for government to use the same information? the argument was.

Way I saw it, there was just the one, privacy advocate lawyer I think, who said this distinction becomes difficult, and I didn't understand that. One is by specific consent.

[ClydeCoulter]

@Zippy,
I don't agree for anyone to use any cpu or memory or drive space on my machine without my explicit knowledgeable permission, anyone. And I am tired of them doing it.

[UWDude]

Way I saw it, there was just the one, privacy advocate lawyer I think, who said this distinction becomes difficult, and I didn't understand that. One is by specific consent.

Warning to all posters: Watch the documentary.
Do not listen to Zippy Juan's version. He is dis-info agent. He wants you to think it is a waste of your time and a propaganda piece.
I read his B.S. and knew right away what he was up to.

To answer his simpleton question, posted by simpleton shills tirelessly:
Corporations can not throw you in jail.
Corporations are not searching for thought criminals or "potential terrorists".
Corporations use public info posted on public sites like Facebook and Twitter.

NSA can throw you in jail.
NSA are looking for un-americans and double minus bad un-patriots.
NSA is gathering data to be used against you in future times when laws outlaw "hate speech" and "promotion of violence" and "giving moral support to terrorists"
NSA hacks your emails and private phone calls

And finally

This one is complex, but here me out

In a court of law, usually all a jury needs to hear is "the DNA matched" or "the fingerprints matched" to convict, regardless of how that evidence was placed at the scene.
Likewise, as the NSA's data mining is gradually accepted by the American masses, it will be able to simply say "his IP logged child pornography" or "his IP linked to terrorist websites" or "he was in contact with Bin Laden's Ghost, according to our records" and a jury or judge will not question exactly how those IP traces were made. The NSA could take over a computer and do it for you, but that would be irrelevant. In their mind, you are an enemy of the state, and must be eradicated by any means necessary, even if it means framing you for vile crimes.

Corporations aren't trying to do that. The NSA WILL. The government WILL. Just look at the Charles Dyer case. If you think he is a baby raper, then you and Zippy should meet up and toss each others salads, because you will love each others shit.

[ZENemy]

Part II pretty much says it was the internet companies desire for profits which led to it. They made money from advertising so to attract more advertising, they developed ways to try to figure out what people wanted- they started collecting data on them. Cookies. What websites they visit. What sorts of things they search for. What they talk about in emails or on Facebook. They used it to target advertising and an "arms race" of information ensued- each wanting to attract more advertisers than the other by having better data. The NSA started hopping in on what they were doing- sometimes literally piggybacking on the company cookies. If it is legal for them to get and use the info and even sell it, why should it be illegal for government to use the same information? the argument was.

How many swat raids has Amazon performed on Tax payers? How much of Amazons "totally normal spying is cool man, embrace it" has resulted in the death of brown people on the other side of the world via drone? I mean its just the NSA right? no big deal, I can OPT OUT right? lol

[CPUd]

Warning to all posters: Watch the documentary.
Do not listen to Zippy Juan's version. He is dis-info agent. He wants you to think it is a waste of your time and a propaganda piece.
I read his B.S. and knew right away what he was up to.

To answer his simpleton question, posted by simpleton shills tirelessly:
Corporations can not throw you in jail.
Corporations are not searching for thought criminals or "potential terrorists".
Corporations use public info posted on public sites like Facebook and Twitter.

NSA can throw you in jail.
NSA are looking for un-americans and double minus bad un-patriots.
NSA is gathering data to be used against you in future times when laws outlaw "hate speech" and "promotion of violence" and "giving moral support to terrorists"
NSA hacks your emails and private phone calls

And finally

This one is complex, but here me out

In a court of law, usually all a jury needs to hear is "the DNA matched" or "the fingerprints matched" to convict, regardless of how that evidence was placed at the scene.
Likewise, as the NSA's data mining is gradually accepted by the American masses, it will be able to simply say "his IP logged child pornography" or "his IP linked to terrorist websites" or "he was in contact with Bin Laden's Ghost, according to our records" and a jury or judge will not question exactly how those IP traces were made. The NSA could take over a computer and do it for you, but that would be irrelevant. In their mind, you are an enemy of the state, and must be eradicated by any means necessary, even if it means framing you for vile crimes.

Corporations aren't trying to do that. The NSA WILL. The government WILL. Just look at the Charles Dyer case. If you think he is a baby raper, then you and Zippy should meet up and toss each others salads, because you will love each others shit.

Why does he have to be a 'dis-info agent'? In this case, I don't think he has even taken a position.

[UWDude]

Why does he have to be a 'dis-info agent'? In this case, I don't think he has even taken a position.

He hardly ever takes positions, he just tries to obfuscate, push towards "moderatism", and derail.

In this case, he was just trying to get people not to watch the documentary by giving it a false summary.

And just because he is too dumb to be getting paid by anyone, doesn't make him less of a dis info agent.

[Danke]

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[nayjevin]

Rand Paul's speech touches on NSA domestic surveillance.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?452461-VIDEO-Rand-Paul-Protests-Judicial-Nominee%92s-Writings-on-Drones


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNWvm-d2glw

[Reason]

Great documentary, watched it in full twice now, and plan on sending it to just about everyone I know

[Danke]

Part 1:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WUe6qyEXoJQ

Part 2:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAMg_xwRGEY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIamc4j-wA

[Zippyjuan]

haha, ya no position...:rolleyes:

"If it is legal for them to get and use the info and even sell it, why should it be illegal for government to use the same information?"

I was repeating what people on the program said. It was not my question or opinion. Even the corporations have and use too much information on people.

[Danke]

I was repeating what people on the program said. It was not my question or opinion. Even the corporations have and use too much information on people.

AH, I see that now, disregard.

[UWDude]

I was repeating what people on the program said.

Why? What's the point?


It was not my question or opinion.

I am sure it was and still is.

[Zippyjuan]

Thank you for reading my mind and knowing what I can think. I am in awe of your powers.

[UWDude]

Thank you for reading my mind and knowing what I can think. I am in awe of your powers.

I've read enough posts by you to know exactly who you are and how you think.

A simpleton like you should be in awe of my powers.

[UWDude]

I was repeating what people on the program said. It was not my question or opinion. Even the corporations have and use too much information on people.


Please zippy, we know corporations use information, publicly and volunteered information. You say it is too much, I say it is only as much as you give.

So please, Zippy, tell us, you use the word "even", in your mealy-mouthed way, please tell us how much more harmful it is when the government steals information, or even when they data-mine public information. Please tell us the dangers, and why it is more dangerous than corporate use.

Because, I note you, in your fork-tongued manner, said "It was not my question or opinion.", which, is, in a sense, honest, in that, you were repeating a question stated by someone else. However, I believe, you actually DO AGREE with the argument, and believe it is a good one. It IS actually close to your opinion.

So please, Zipppy, for once, make an argument FOR freedom and civil liberties.

[DamianTV]

I thought it was a good if not scary documentary. A pretty good primer to Greenwald's new book that I just started reading. Sadly, I don't think too many people give a damn anymore.

Too many people are completely indifferent to anything that happens anywhere, as long as they get a paycheck.