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Boshembechle
05-12-2014, 09:58 PM
Since the enactment of the ACA, the number of uninsured has plummeted.


More and more U.S. adults get health insurance on their own or through a family member, a new Gallup poll (http://www.gallup.com/poll/168968/self-funded-health-coverage-medicaid.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines) finds.

The survey regularly examines the type of health care coverage chosen by Americans. Before open enrollment for the Affordable Care Actís online insurance exchange, the survey shows, 16.7 percent paid for insurance plans on their own or were financed by a family member. That number grew to 20 percent by April.
Medicaid, the federal-state health program for low-income Americans, also rose: 9 percent of adults said they were on Medicaid compared with 6.8 percent before open enrollment.
The health law, known as Obamacare, expanded access to Medicaid by requiring all states to increase eligibility. After the Supreme Court struck down that requirement, several states (http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/state-activity-around-expanding-medicaid-under-the-affordable-care-act/) opted to offer their programs to more residents.
Employer-sponsored insurance edged down from 44.4 percent of adults to 43.1 percent during the same period. Gallup said the decline could come from several factors, such as employers dropping coverage for employees, workers opting out of employer plans, or Americans leaving the workforce altogether.
Overall, the percentage of uninsured Americans dropped to 13.4 percent last month, Gallup noted.

oyarde
05-12-2014, 10:35 PM
Not me , I dumped mine . In the State I live in , uninsured has risen due to employers dumping . This will continue .Matters not to me.No effect.

Boshembechle
05-12-2014, 11:08 PM
Not me , I dumped mine . In the State I live in , uninsured has risen due to employers dumping . This will continue .Matters not to me.No effect.Well, your personal anecdote is an anomaly.

puppetmaster
05-12-2014, 11:13 PM
I bought my own cheaper and better. Zero deduct and zero copay.

Carlybee
05-12-2014, 11:15 PM
I bought my own cheaper and better. Zero deduct and zero copay.

Mind if I ask what your premiums are?

angelatc
05-12-2014, 11:21 PM
He keeps getting himself all sticky over the Obama faux talking point that more people now have insurance, without acknowledging that the government is paying for a huge part of those policies.

And in less than 24 hours he will be here again insisting that we should raise the minimum wage so that people can get off the dole.

This is just ridiculous.

oyarde
05-12-2014, 11:25 PM
Well, your personal anecdote is an anomaly.

Not an anomaly to millions in my state. However , I have no sympathy for anyone who has voted for a Dem for national office , they deserve what they get and more ( and they will get some more before it ends ), only that platform could make the Pubs look better. The Pub establishment are socialists , the Dems , evil commie scum. I hate socialists. The rest , oh , somewhat worse, LOL. A good leach is one that will drop off once you drop the salt on it , then there are the other kind.Ticks are ticks and should be put to the flame.

Boshembechle
05-12-2014, 11:52 PM
Not an anomaly to millions in my state. However , I have no sympathy for anyone who has voted for a Dem for national office , they deserve what they get and more ( and they will get some more before it ends ), only that platform could make the Pubs look better. The Pub establishment are socialists , the Dems , evil commie scum. I hate socialists. The rest , oh , somewhat worse, LOL. A good leach is one that will drop off once you drop the salt on it , then there are the other kind.Ticks are ticks and should be put to the flame.

Obviously the success of obamacare is making you all pissy and agitated. What, you can't admit that millions are now able to buy insurance due to the ACA? The stats are there in front of you- the uninsured rate is falling fast, and you can't admit it.

oyarde
05-13-2014, 12:02 AM
Obviously the success of obamacare is making you all pissy and agitated. What, you can't admit that millions are now able to buy insurance due to the ACA? The stats are there in front of you- the uninsured rate is falling fast, and you can't admit it.

I could give a crap about anyone's insurance ( that is for ea individual ) , it is though , immoral and godless to demand people to pay a fine for not having it ( again , no effect on me ) . As you are if you support it . Why would I be interested in opinion from the immoral and undisciplined ? That leads only to continued failure.You support fail and are the problem or you do not accept it . That is the choice of mankind . Mankind is weak , therefore , no faith need be invested in such a wretched failure.

angelatc
05-13-2014, 08:34 AM
Obviously the success of obamacare is making you all pissy and agitated. What, you can't admit that millions are now able to buy insurance due to the ACA? The stats are there in front of you- the uninsured rate is falling fast, and you can't admit it.

Why can't you admit that most of these newly insured people are getting a shiny new form of welfare to pay for their policies? Dear God, having the federal government start employing doctors and running free clinics would have been a much better solution than this.

Cleaner44
05-13-2014, 08:50 AM
Obviously the success of obamacare is making you all pissy and agitated. What, you can't admit that millions are now able to buy insurance due to the ACA? The stats are there in front of you- the uninsured rate is falling fast, and you can't admit it.

So the government makes it a crimes not to purchase a product and then the companies that sell the products increase customer base. Why do you consider that to be a good thing? Do you work for a corporation that profits from this?

Perhaps there ought to be a law that requires each American to purchase a new car every year also. That would really help the workers in Detroit! We could have the federal government give every citizen a $30,000 voucher for the purchase of a new car. Think of how well the car companies would profit and then we could require them to raise their minimum wage they pay their workers to $50 an hour!

What other industries could we help by requiring people to purchase their products?

oyarde
05-13-2014, 08:55 AM
Why can't you admit that most of these newly insured people are getting a shiny new form of welfare to pay for their policies? Dear God, having the federal government start employing doctors and running free clinics would have been a much better solution than this.

I agree , free clinics would have been more efficient and cheaper. Then if there were private free clinics to compete with the tax funded free clinics , I could donate to the private.

ctiger2
05-13-2014, 09:20 AM
Obviously the success of obamacare is making you all pissy and agitated. What, you can't admit that millions are now able to buy insurance due to the ACA? The stats are there in front of you- the uninsured rate is falling fast, and you can't admit it.

LOL! From what I've heard the same number of uninsured is still 30M. Of the 7M that signed up for OC, more than 1/2 are double-counted (3.5M). Of that (3.5M) only 25% (875K) have paid anything. Premiums for all health insurance plans across the board are rising. Employers are dumping their employees onto the exchange to save money and businesses aren't hiring to stay under OC mandate quotas. Just wait til this fall. It's an EPIC fail and will get much worse.

oyarde
05-13-2014, 09:22 AM
LOL! From what I've heard the same number of uninsured is still 30M. Of the 7M that signed up for OC, more than 1/2 are double-counted (3.5M). Of that (3.5M) only 25% (875K) have paid anything. Premiums for all health insurance plans across the board are rising. Employers are dumping their employees onto the exchange to save money and businesses aren't hiring to stay under OC mandate quotas. Just wait til this fall. It's an EPIC fail and will get much worse.

Yes , it will get worse and yes it has had a large negative effect on hiring.

oyarde
05-13-2014, 10:35 PM
From a CNBC article on Mon. , 5/12 written by some guy , Dan Mangan . He said , basically this does not look bad . 2015 Premiums being set for Obummercare in Washington State and Virginia. Anthem Healthkeeper , Virginia , 8.5 percent increase , Care first Blue Choice , Virginia , 14.9 percent increase .Group Health Options , Washington , 14.2 % increase , 11.2 % increase , Washington, Health Cooperative Group and 8.4 % increase , Washington Community Health Plan . These are some the examples they give as pretty good, anybody get a 15 % raise to help cover this ? Not likely , more likely your property tax goes up 20 % with the next assessment .

oyarde
05-13-2014, 11:54 PM
Mind if I ask what your premiums are?

Mine was $239.98 last yr , $329.88 this year and $239.98 next yr.

56ktarget
05-14-2014, 03:30 AM
Right wing denial about Obamacare's success is hilarious to see...

oyarde
05-14-2014, 08:06 AM
Right wing denial about Obamacare's success is hilarious to see...

Oh , if I see any success I will not deny it . I also though will not say that a mandate is acceptable no matter the results .Still waiting to see success though.

GunnyFreedom
05-14-2014, 08:09 AM
Well, your personal anecdote is an anomaly.

I couldn't afford insurance before the ACA. I can't afford insurance even worse now, and thanks to the ACA I will probably never visit a doctor again for the rest of my life. I'm probably dead by 60 because of the ACA. Thanks Obama, I always dreamed of dying young broke and in agony.

oyarde
05-14-2014, 08:16 AM
I couldn't afford insurance before the ACA. I can't afford insurance even worse now, and thanks to the ACA I will probably never visit a doctor again for the rest of my life. I'm probably dead by 60 because of the ACA. Thanks Obama, I always dreamed of dying young broke and in agony.

You are correct that you darn sure cannot pay it out of pocket going forward. Try and get them to throw it in with your next job opportunity or enroll at the VA.See if a local Dr will give you a flat cash rate.Choices are minimal. The costs are going to continue to rise , pay will not .If you enroll with the VA , you do not have to use it , but it exempts you from the fine from no insurance when you do your taxes.

eduardo89
05-14-2014, 08:22 AM
I couldn't afford insurance before the ACA. I can't afford insurance even worse now, and thanks to the ACA I will probably never visit a doctor again for the rest of my life. I'm probably dead by 60 because of the ACA. Thanks Obama, I always dreamed of dying young broke and in agony.

That's because the evil Republicans in your state refused to expand Medicaid!

torchbearer
05-14-2014, 09:59 AM
He keeps getting himself all sticky over the Obama faux talking point that more people now have insurance, without acknowledging that the government is paying for a huge part of those policies.

And in less than 24 hours he will be here again insisting that we should raise the minimum wage so that people can get off the dole.

This is just ridiculous.

not only are tax payers subsidizing the premiums, the obamacare users can miss 3 payments completely and keep their coverage.
once that gets out, i expect it to be used. why pay those three months a year when the law states they have to give you a grace period.
it will also keep the numbers looking better than they are for a lil' while.

Cleaner44
05-14-2014, 10:20 AM
Right wing denial about Obamacare's success is hilarious to see...

Libertarians aren't right wing.

2466

What is really hilarious to see is left wing propoganda pretending that socialism works.

FDR + New Deal = Fail

LBJ + Great Society = Fail

If you hadn't noticed the poor are getting poorer and depending on the government for a lower standard of living than any human should bear.

Bryan
05-14-2014, 09:05 PM
Boshembechle,

With all due respect, it seems you're looking at issues wrong. What you are posting here, and in other threads, is the promotion of how much good a particular solution is. While certainly a positive end product is the goal of a course of action it is more important to consider what is being done to get there.

Let's assume your statement is correct, more Americans are buying health insurance since the enactment of the ACA. Does that inherently make the ACA right? What if we passed a law to further fund the ACA which took 100% of the wealth of the richest people? That certainly would help more Americans buy health insurance, but would it be morally right?

While it would be great to see 100% insurance coverage of all Americans it is morally wrong to do this by supporting immoral acts to fund it. Right now, the Federal Government is engaging in the following immoral acts related to this:

- Forced taxation on citizen income. Citizens are given no opportunity to opt-out of paying income tax. This amounts to little more than slavery since the fruits of ones labor are taken away from you by force and used to benefit others.

- Inflationary printing. The governments excessive expansion of the money supply is a hidden tax on saving since the value of your savings goes down in value as there is more money in circulation.

- Generational debt. The federal government is spending about $2 billion more per day than it takes in, even after the forced taxation and inflationary printing. In addition to the total deficient (now over $17 trillion), it is promising to spent more money in the future that it doesn't have, which has created an unfunded liability of about $129 trillion. That's over $1.1 million per taxpayer. (source: usdebtclock.org) Regardless of the amount, there is no moral basis for individuals not responsible for a debt to be saddled to fund it. This is akin to being born into bondage, a debt bondage.


With all that said, any government action that perpetuates any of these immoral acts is not acceptable. Period. This includes the ACA.

So while you are looking at problems as to how one can best apply the immoral benefits of the forced taxation, inflationary printing and generational debt, others are saying- immoral acts need to stop.

So will you stand against immorality? Or will you stand for personal gain? The support for immorality is hurting a lot of people. A lot. Even if you can't directly see it.

I understand these points might be a little hard to focus on, and you may have never really been presented with this reality in such a way, but this is really the way it is. I challenge you to explain how peoples suffering from all these immoral acts is acceptable. After you realize you can't you should see that focusing on issues of morality is the right way to look at the issues.

Don't get me wrong, there is certainly nothing wrong with helping people get insurance, we just need to stay true to principles of morality.

While it may take some soul searching and a good amount of time, I look forward to you coming to terms with this and joining the fight for a morally upstanding society.

Please let me know if you have any questions.


Bryan

puppetmaster
05-14-2014, 10:08 PM
Mind if I ask what your premiums are?

Two children and myself
272 mo. The wife on a separate plan 139 mo. We. Bought at different times.
It is a fixed indemnity plan. I can give you info if you want just PM me. Credit Swiss owns the company.