Pope demands 'legitimate redistribution' of wealth

[green73]

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Pope Francis called Friday for governments to redistribute wealth to the poor in a new spirit of generosity to help curb the "economy of exclusion" that is taking hold today.

Francis made the appeal during a speech to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the heads of major U.N. agencies who met in Rome this week.

Latin America's first pope has frequently lashed out at the injustices of capitalism and the global economic system that excludes so much of humanity, though his predecessors have voiced similar concerns.

On Friday, Francis called for the United Nations to promote a "worldwide ethical mobilization" of solidarity with the poor in a new spirit of generosity.

He said a more equal form of economic progress can be had through "the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society."

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_REL_VATICAN_UN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-05-09-06-31-28

[Ronin Truth]

Let's do the Vatican first.

[erowe1]

I notice that article doesn't do a very good job of backing up what it says in the headline with full quotes from the pope.

Here's the full transcript of what he said. I haven't finished reading it yet:


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Pope to UN: Resist the economy of exclusion, serve the poor


(Vatican Radio ) Pope Francis met with executives from the United Nations Agencies, Funds and Programmes on Friday, led by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. Emer McCarthy reports: RealAudioMP3

Speaking to the men and women who manage the UN’s vast network of humanitarian offices, he urged them to challenge “all forms of injustice” and resist the “economy of exclusion”, the “throwaway culture” and the “culture of death” which nowadays – he said – “sadly risk becoming passively accepted”.


Reflecting on the UN’s target for Future Sustainable Development Goals, he questioned whether in today’s world, a spirit of solidarity and sharing guide all our thoughts and actions:

“Future Sustainable Development Goals must therefore be formulated and carried out with generosity and courage, so that they can have a real impact on the structural causes of poverty and hunger, attain more substantial results in protecting the environment, ensure dignified and productive labor for all, and provide appropriate protection for the family, which is an essential element in sustainable human and social development”.

The Pope also pointed the executives to the Gospel story of Zacchaeus the Tax collector, as an example of how it’s never too late to correct injustice

“Today, in concrete terms, an awareness of the dignity of each of our brothers and sisters whose life is sacred and inviolable from conception to natural death must lead us to share with complete freedom the goods which God’s providence has placed in our hands, material goods but also intellectual and spiritual ones, and to give back generously and lavishly whatever we may have earlier unjustly refused to others”.

Below please find the full text of Pope Francis’ address to the UN delegation

Mr Secretary General,
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am pleased to welcome you, Mr Secretary-General and the leading executive officers of the Agencies, Funds and Programmes of the United Nations and specialized Organizations, as you gather in Rome for the biannual meeting for strategic coordination of the United Nations System Chief Executives Board.
It is significant that today’s meeting takes place shortly after the solemn canonization of my predecessors, Popes John XXIII and John Paul II. The new saints inspire us by their passionate concern for integral human development and for understanding between peoples. This concern was concretely expressed by the numeous visits of John Paul II to the Organizations headquartered in Rome and by his travels to New York, Geneva, Vienna, Nairobi and The Hague.
I thank you, Mr Secretary-General, for your cordial words of introduction. I thank all of you, who are primarily responsible for the international system, for the great efforts being made to ensure world peace, respect for human dignity, the protection of persons, especially the poorest and most vulnerable, and harmonious economic and social development.
The results of the Millennium Development Goals, especially in terms of education and the decrease in extreme poverty, confirm the value of the work of coordination carried out by this Chief Executives Board. At the same time, it must be kept in mind that the world’s peoples deserve and expect even greater results.
An essential principle of management is the refusal to be satisfied with current results and to press forward, in the conviction that those gains are only consolidated by working to achieve even more. In the case of global political and economic organization, much more needs to be achieved, since an important part of humanity does not share in the benefits of progress and is in fact relegated to the status of second-class citizens. Future Sustainable Development Goals must therefore be formulated and carried out with generosity and courage, so that they can have a real impact on the structural causes of poverty and hunger, attain more substantial results in protecting the environment, ensure dignified and productive labor for all, and provide appropriate protection for the family, which is an essential element in sustainable human and social development. Specifically, this involves challenging all forms of injustice and resisting the “economy of exclusion”, the “throwaway culture” and the “culture of death” which nowadays sadly risk becoming passively accepted.
With this in mind, I would like to remind you, as representatives of the chief agencies of global cooperation, of an incident which took place two thousand years ago and is recounted in the Gospel of Saint Luke (19:1-10). It is the encounter between Jesus Christ and the rich tax collector Zacchaeus, as a result of which Zacchaeus made a radical decision of sharing and justice, because his conscience had been awakened by the gaze of Jesus. This same spirit should be at the beginning and end of all political and economic activity. The gaze, often silent, of that part of the human family which is cast off, left behind, ought to awaken the conscience of political and economic agents and lead them to generous and courageous decisions with immediate results, like the decision of Zacchaeus. Does this spirit of solidarity and sharing guide all our thoughts and actions?
Today, in concrete terms, an awareness of the dignity of each of our brothers and sisters whose life is sacred and inviolable from conception to natural death must lead us to share with complete freedom the goods which God’s providence has placed in our hands, material goods but also intellectual and spiritual ones, and to give back generously and lavishly whatever we may have earlier unjustly refused to others.
The account of Jesus and Zacchaeus teaches us that above and beyond economic and social systems and theories, there will always be a need to promote generous, effective and practical openness to the needs of others. Jesus does not ask Zacchaeus to change jobs nor does he condemn his financial activity; he simply inspires him to put everything, freely yet immediately and indisputably, at the service of others. Consequently, I do not hesitate to state, as did my predecessors (cf. JOHN PAUL II, Sollicitudo Rei Socialis, 42-43; Centesimus Annus, 43; BENEDICT XVI, Caritas in Veritate, 6; 24-40), that equitable economic and social progress can only be attained by joining scientific and technical abilities with an unfailing commitment to solidarity accompanied by a generous and disinterested spirit of gratuitousness at every level. A contribution to this equitable development will also be made both by international activity aimed at the integral human development of all the world’s peoples and by the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society.
Consequently, while encouraging you in your continuing efforts to coordinate the activity of the international agencies, which represents a service to all humanity, I urge you to work together in promoting a true, worldwide ethical mobilization which, beyond all differences of religious or political convictions, will spread and put into practice a shared ideal of fraternity and solidarity, especially with regard to the poorest and those most excluded.
Invoking divine guidance on the work of your Board, I also implore God’s special blessing for you, Mr Secretary-General, for the Presidents, Directors and Secretaries General present among us, and for all the personnel of the United Nations and the other international Agencies and Bodies, and their respective families.


Text from page http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/05/09/pope_to_un:_resist_the_economy_of_exclusion,_serve _the_poor/en1-797707
of the Vatican Radio website

[erowe1]

..

[JK/SEA]

sell the Vatican, the property and contents, give it all away, then we'll talk. Till then, shut the fuck up.

[Shane Harris]

Funny how the pope can be so obsessed with living a life of poverty and simultaneously be so obsessed with envy and economic egalitarianism. Repulsive.

[JK/SEA]

fyi...boot licker ED gave me a neg rep for bitch slapping his idol.

[eduardo89]

fyi...boot licker ED gave me a neg rep for bitch slapping his idol.

I gave you a neg rep for the way you expressed yourself in such a rude and offensive manner.

[eduardo89]

Funny how the pope can be so obsessed with living a life of poverty and simultaneously be so obsessed with envy and economic egalitarianism. Repulsive.

Envy?

[JK/SEA]

I gave you a neg rep for the way you expressed yourself in such a rude and offensive manner.

its attitudes like yours is one of the reasons why i think organized religions are fake, and i refuse to congregate with this type of human.

congrats for representing a sham.

[JK/SEA]

Envy?

no...reality.

I'm glad your such a strong advocate for bullshit.

[Dr.3D]

Charity by gunpoint isn't charity at all.

[JK/SEA]

eduardo sez its OK....

[Dr.3D]

eduardo sez its OK....
Matthew 19:24

[eduardo89]

eduardo sez its OK....

Where did I say that?

[JK/SEA]

Where did I say that?

read between the lines.

byw... i truly believe the religious dictator pope position was put in place by the anti-christ....

[donnay]

The Pope should redistribute the Vatican's wealth first...then poverty around the globe will be resolved.

[Sonny Tufts]

sell the Vatican, the property and contents, give it all away, then we'll talk.

See the book and film The Shoes of the Fisherman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoes_of_the_Fisherman

[Dr.3D]

sell the Vatican, the property and contents, give it all away, then we'll talk.
This right here is something along the lines of what Jesus would have said. (Just leave off the last sentence in that post.)


Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." NRS

[eduardo89]

The Pope should redistribute the Vatican's wealth first...then poverty around the globe will be resolved.

The Church is already the world's most charitable organisation.

[JK/SEA]

This right here is something along the lines of what Jesus would have said. (Just leave off the last sentence in that post.)

telling the pope to shut the FUCK UP is in my wheel house....fuck the pope POSITION and the hat he rode in on.

[JK/SEA]

The Church is already the world's most charitable organisation.

LOL....funny fuckin shit right there...

[Kotin]

Start with the Vatican coffers that likely dwarf any government reserve on earth.. OR STFU YOU TYRANT MOTHERFUCK.

[Dr.3D]

Start with the Vatican coffers that likely dwarf any government reserve on earth.. OR STFU YOU TYRANT MOTHERFUCK.
I've read about Jesus addressing a church about such things.

Revelation 3:17 For you say, 'I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing.' You do not realize that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. NRS

[JK/SEA]

unleash the KRACKEN....where's FF?....

[donnay]

The Church is already the world's most charitable wealthiest organisation.

FIFY

[eduardo89]

FIFY

So tell me, which organisation gives more to the poor, sick, and hungry than the Catholic Church?

[CaptUSA]

How about we just redistribute the wealth the government has stolen back to the people?

[donnay]

So tell me, which organisation gives more to the poor, sick, and hungry than the Catholic Church?

None. The American taxpayer.

[Anti Federalist]

An essential principle of management

Tells me all I need to know.

The Red Pope never ceases to amaze me.

The fastest way out of poverty is the free market not communist UN mandates.

[tommyrp12]

I have not watched all of Walter Veith's video's but he has done some good research exposing the church for what it is , a deception for bringing humanity under its control. It compliments F Tupper Saussy's Rulers Of Evil.

http://blog.templarhistory.com/2010/03/pope-boniface-viii-unum-sanctum/

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Other people are not my salvation. That's only if I or anyone else even needs salvation.

Walter Veith (1) Just Another Man? / Total Onslaught (This first one is about prophecies and is boring)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLvLmhXCV7E&list=PL0EF45DDA53AD2190

[Shane Harris]

Envy?

Yes, envy seems to be a root emotion when it comes to cries for economic egalitarianism. If everyone was poor there wouldn't be any wealth to redistribute. Why is it envy when Hillary Clinton calls for it but not envy when the Pope calls for the same thing?

[No1butPaul]

Hypocrisy at it's finest.


The Catholic Church, once all her assets have been put together, is the most formidable stockbroker in the world. The Vatican has large investments with the Rothschilds of Britain, France and America, with the Hambros Bank, with the Credit Suisse in London and Zurich. In the United States it has large investments with the Morgan Bank, the Chase-Manhattan Bank, the First National Bank of New York, the Bankers Trust Company, and others. The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc. At a conservative estimate, these amount to more than 500 million dollars in the U.S.A. alone.

The Vatican’s treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. But this is just a small portion of the wealth of the Vatican, which in the U.S. alone, is greater than that of the five wealthiest giant corporations of the country. When to that is added all the real estate, property, artworks, stocks and shares worldwide, then the staggering accumulation of the wealth of the Catholic Church becomes so formidable as to defy any rational assessment making it one of the wealthiest institutions on Earth.

Avro Manhatten, in his book The Vatican Billions, said

“Jesus was the poorest of the poor. Roman Catholicism, which claims to be His church, is the richest of the rich, the wealthiest institution on earth. (…) How come, that such an institution, ruling in the name of this same itinerant preacher, whose want was such that he had not even a pillow upon which to rest his head, is now so top-heavy with riches that she can rival – indeed, that she can put to shame – the combined might of the most redoubtable financial trusts, of the most potent industrial super-giants, and of the most prosperous global corporations of the world?”

Their wealth is so big that they could create sustainable social programs to end famine on Earth; they have the power and the means to oppose wars; they have the financial resources to create an Eco-friendly planet — the biblical heaven on Earth. But how could they be willing to invest in “green technology” when they have huge investments in fossil fuel industries? In fact, wars perfectly suit their financial investments. http://theaimn.com/2014/03/24/religion-and-politics/comment-page-1/

[No1butPaul]

fyi...boot licker ED gave me a neg rep for bitch slapping his idol.

That's messed up.

[mz10]

its attitudes like yours is one of the reasons why i think organized religions are fake, and i refuse to congregate with this type of human.

congrats for representing a sham.

It's entirely possible to think this particular pope is a socialist (which I do), without telling every single human being who believes in a higher power that they are morons. Focus on the issue at hand.

[eduardo89]

Yes, envy seems to be a root emotion when it comes to cries for economic egalitarianism. If everyone was poor there wouldn't be any wealth to redistribute. Why is it envy when Hillary Clinton calls for it but not envy when the Pope calls for the same thing?

Where does the Pope call for everyone to be poor or say that being wealthy is evil or sinful?

[Philhelm]

Enter a new branch of the Roman Catholic Church: The Spanish Redistribution. Contribute, and you may yet save your soul!

[NewRightLibertarian]

Where does the Pope call for everyone to be poor or say that being wealthy is evil or sinful?

Are you kidding? He demonizes the wealthy even more than Obama. Your blind allegiance to a heretical church has clouded your judgment.

[Dr.3D]

Enter a new branch of the Roman Catholic Church: The Spanish Redistribution. Contribute, and you may yet save your soul!
Or perhaps build another beautiful building to put the peasants in awe.

[bunklocoempire]

Enter a new branch of the Roman Catholic Church: The Spanish Redistribution. Contribute, and you may yet save your soul!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUMkcBctE7c

Thread needs some levity.:)

On topic, Christians are not of the world as far as this Christian can figure. Faith is what leads people to be charitable and faith in Christ is what a man of God should be talking about anytime he opens his mouth.

Get your priorities straight and the rest of the damn stuff will follow. If you're not preaching the specific faith you believe is necessary to accomplish all these worldly things you might as well be preaching force. -because force is where it will lead if it is not crystal clear.

[Southron]

I didn't have a problem with most of what he said until he got to this:

A contribution to this equitable development will also be made both by international activity aimed at the integral human development of all the world’s peoples and by the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society.

What is legitimate redistribution by the State in his eyes?

[P3ter_Griffin]

I didn't have a problem with most of what he said until he got to this:


What is legitimate redistribution by the State in his eyes?


I agree, he's spot on with his assessment except the means which he proposes to do it... aka he's a liberal.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/debt-ceiling-crisis-food-stamp-program-shutdown-imminent/5354449


To wit: “understanding the operational issues and constraints that States face, and in the interest of preserving maximum flexibility, we are directing States to hold their November issuance files and delay transmission to State electronic benefit transfer (EBT) vendors until further notice.” In other words, as Fox13News summarizes, “States across the country are being told to stop the supplemental nutrition assistance program for the month of November, pending further notice.”

This was after ending the DoD furlough... Can't be to long before genuinely caring people like Pope Francis see the light, right? What a great ally the church would be.

[Seraphim]

The Pope is far from a liberal.

He's a socialist.


I agree, he's spot on with his assessment except the means which he proposes to do it... aka he's a liberal.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/debt-ceiling-crisis-food-stamp-program-shutdown-imminent/5354449



This was after ending the DoD furlough... Can't be to long before genuinely caring people like Pope Francis see the light, right? What a great ally the church would be.

[P3ter_Griffin]

The Pope is far from a liberal.

He's a socialist.

To be fair, I haven't heard him calling for the complete centralized control of production, likewise I haven't heard him applauding whats going on in Venezuela. Maybe a "socialist" in the same vain as American liberals (and republicans) are "socialists", but imo that's just slandering (and glorifying) an actual philosophy.

[idiom]

I didn't have a problem with most of what he said until he got to this:


What is legitimate redistribution by the State in his eyes?

Maybe he is talking about ending Central Banks and returning the stolen assets to the people?

Ain't nothing socialist about a little justice.

[JK/SEA]

//

[eduardo89]

Are you kidding? He demonizes the wealthy even more than Obama. Your blind allegiance to a heretical church has clouded your judgment.

Where has he demonised the wealthy? He's demonised the greedy, those that have cheated and stolen to become wealthy, and those that have money as their idol. But where has he demonised those who have worked hard to make their money?

And no, I don't agree with everything the Pope says or does. I am very apprehensive about him, especially his focus on social welfare and his indifference towards the traditionalist aspects of the faith.

[Antischism]

The Pope is far from a liberal.

He's a socialist.

I don't think you know what socialism is. His position is in line with social Democrats, not socialists.

That being said, what he's saying sounds exactly like something Jesus would say. Didn't Jesus pay taxes and tell others to do the same? I feel like he would be in favor of wealth redistribution to the poor if his position was to accept taxation. From my perspective, it just sounds like the Pope is condemning greed, which is a sin according to the Bible.

I don't really know much about the Pope, but from what I've read, it doesn't seem like he's said anything that wasn't in line with the Bible.

I know people like to argue and wish death upon others based on how they choose to interpret the Bible though, so that's another issue entirely. I stay away from all organized religions. Some would have my head for being agnostic, I'm sure.

[LibForestPaul]

read between the lines.

byw... i truly believe the religious dictator pope position was put in place by the anti-christ....

Yes, most of the organized religions.

[Anti Federalist]

Enter a new branch of the Roman Catholic Church: The Spanish Redistribution. Contribute, and you may yet save your soul!

No one expects the Spanish Redistribution!

[NewRightLibertarian]

Where has he demonised the wealthy? He's demonised the greedy, those that have cheated and stolen to become wealthy, and those that have money as their idol. But where has he demonised those who have worked hard to make their money?

And no, I don't agree with everything the Pope says or does. I am very apprehensive about him, especially his focus on social welfare and his indifference towards the traditionalist aspects of the faith.

I don't believe that the pope's rhetoric has been as nuanced as you believe it to be. He goes everywhere spewing socialist doctrine, and it's obvious that it's his pet issue. He is firmly in the pocket of the new world order just like his even more heinous predecessor was, no doubt about it.

[Sola_Fide]

byw... i truly believe the religious dictator pope position was put in place by the anti-christ....

I do too.

[Sola_Fide]

Are you kidding? He demonizes the wealthy even more than Obama. Your blind allegiance to a heretical church has clouded your judgment.

^^^Sorry Eduardo, but he's right.