Minimum Wage

[ghengisconrad]

I think this sums it up nicely
http://offcont.blogspot.com/2014/05/minimum-wage.html

[DamianTV]

A quote would be much appreciated. Not clicking, and I doubt most others would eitehr.

[cjm]

A quote would be much appreciated. Not clicking, and I doubt most others would eitehr.

Here you go (whole thing, no comments on site):


Thursday, May 8, 2014
Minimum Wage
So, apparently the minimum wage is like, an issue.
Seattle raised theirs to $15!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-holtzeakin/the-mythology-of-the-mini_b_4338234.html

Rand Paul has the right idea

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/050714-700012-falling-middle-class-incomes-bigger-problem-than-minimum-wage.htm

but more importantly, of course, is my opinion.

As long as borders are easy to cross, all it really does is effectively forces the lower class out of the area, and into the neighboring one, as long as they too, do not have such a crazy minimum wage.

Although minimum wage also accompanies welfare and unemployment benefits for those who do not work.

So what will really happen, is that all the lower class but hard working people (the young, uneducated, the minorities) will leave, and the class differences will deepen, because those who won't or can't work will be the only ones left, that, and the upper class of people who are worth at least 15/hour.

What the average Seattleite will see is a increase in the number of people they like (bourgeois like themselves) and a starker, more pronounced kind of lower class (the truly destitute), which will only deepen their resolve, as the working middle class disappears from there area, and therefor from the public Zeitgeist.


As long as oil stays cheap, Minimum wage will be fine here, as we export our 'poor people' to China, and the Chinese government is strong enough to enslave *their* people.

Don't you fucking get it? The Chinese are our slaves, and the United States Government pays the oil companies to keep them that ay, because of the way the federal reserve works, and because of our minimum wage laws.

The only difference is in what you see. You don't have to see the slaves in YOUR back yard, somehow its okay now.

I support racial equality. Therefor I am against the minimum wage, and the federal reserve. I hope you will join me in ending the racial discrimination against those outside the capital nation.

People who are for the minimum wage have no idea the stress and frustration of owning a company, or the work involved, or, more importantly, the finances involved. If you think that business owners are money grubbing lazy people sucking the value from their workers, you are clearly a valueless worker who cannot increase his value by any other way but the use of violence.

here is no difference between a Mom and Pop business, and a 'corporation'. It is a legal status; what you hate, is the special benefits certain well-connected businesses receive over others, which does in fact, hurt the poor very much. I hate them too.

What you need to learn, is that you cannot use that very same government to "correct" the problems of those corporations being in bed with the government. It will not happen; unless it benefits those corporations. That's why minimum wage is pushed, because it sounds like a benefit.

Minimum wage is the most bumper sticker ideology there is. Its like, "oh, i feel bad for the poor, so lets have SOME ONE ELSE (because I'm not a fucking business owner) give them more money! I'm so enlightened and CHARITABLE (with other people's money)"

There is a very large difference between what you would like to see happen, and what is possible. In the real world, you ignore that difference at the danger of empowering those who are willing to literally sell you an impossible dream.

Utopianism has been dead for a while now. Its time to wake up and realize no amount of violence will bring us peace.

Have the Chinese buy U.S. bonds, raise the minimum wage in the United States, import products from China, and use the federal reserve to pay for indefinite unemployment benefits.

[brandon]

A quote would be much appreciated. Not clicking, and I doubt most others would eitehr.

Are you like a ron paul forums agoraphobe? Too afraid to step outside?

[Keith and stuff]

Are you like a ron paul forums agoraphobe? Too afraid to step outside?

It's generally rude to just post a link. In fact, I consider it very rude, personally. Da Collins is perhaps the worst offender around here. Though, to the OPs defense, 1 sentence of commentary was also posted. I guess that's something ;)

My min. wage argument is that LA and NH don't even have a general min. wage at all (2 of the 6 states without a min. wage). Yet their unemployment rates are only 4.5%. It seems to work for them ;)

[Zippyjuan]

It's generally rude to just post a link. In fact, I consider it very rude, personally. Da Collins is perhaps the worst offender around here. Though, to the OPs defense, 1 sentence of commentary was also posted. I guess that's something ;)

My min. wage argument is that LA and NH don't even have a general min. wage at all (2 of the 5 states without a min. wage). Yet their unemployment rates are only 4.5%. It seems to work for them ;)

As of October 2013, the Louisiana unemployment rate was listed as 5.8%. Google says it is 6.5% now. http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.la.htm

[Keith and stuff]

As of October 2013, the Louisiana unemployment rate was listed as 5.8%. Google says it is 6.5% now. http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.la.htm

Unemployment rate by state.
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

2 of the 6 states without a general min. wage.
NEW HAMPSHIRE 4.5
LOUISIANA 4.5

The 2 states with the highest general min. wage.
WASHINGTON 6.3
OREGON 6.9

What about the 2 states with the highest unemployment rates? Do they have a min. wage and is it above the federal level? Yes and yes.
NEVADA 8.5
RHODE ISLAND 8.7

[Keith and stuff]

As of October 2013, the Louisiana unemployment rate was listed as 5.8%. Google says it is 6.5% now. http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.la.htm

BTW, the link you posted says 4.5%.

[Zippyjuan]

Thanks for the correction. I was looking at the wrong column in the chart- not the latest figure.

There are ten states with minimum wage rates of at least eight dollars an hour.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/state-minimum-wage-chart.aspx

California $8.00
Colorado $8.00
Connecticut $8.70
Illinois $8.25
Massachusetts $8.00
Nevada $8.25
New Jersey $8.25
New York $8.00
Oregon $9.10
Rhode Island $8.00
Vermont $8.73
and Washington $9.32.

Of those, four do have unemployment rates below the US average: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate
Colorado 6.2%
Massachusetts 6.3%
Vermont 3.4% (second lowest in the country)
Washington 6.3% (with the highest minimum wage)


Of the ten highest unemployment states:
Rhode Island
Nevada
Illinois
California
Kentucky
Mississippi
Michigan
Arizona
New Jersey
Georgia

Half of those (five) have state minimum wages below $8 an hour.

[Cleaner44]

We need an infographic for things like this.