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Thor
05-08-2014, 08:33 AM
It will be interesting to see if the state of Washington government supports them in this case, or just turns a blind eye to the Feds stomping on them.

This is where it gets interesting. State laws / rights versus Federal laws. If the Feds are still going to go after 100% state legal growers / users, is this going to create a war between the Feds and the State, or will states fold or ignore it?




Federal Judge Says No To Washington Family's Medical Marijuana Defense

A federal judge won't allow a family of a medical marijuana patients from Washington state to defend themselves against drug trafficking charges by arguing their pot plants were for medical purposes.

U.S. District Judge Fred Van Sickle of the Eastern District of Washington on Tuesday rejected the planned medical marijuana defense of Larry Harvey, 70, his wife Rhonda Firestack-Harvey, 55, and three others facing trial next week, saying they could not argue that growing marijuana was for medical purposes and legal under Washington state law.

"The intent of the defendants is not relevant to the issues," Van Sickle said. "There's this concept of reliance on state law and the like. That's not relevant either."

Because the federal government considers marijuana illegal, federal courts generally don't allow evidence that the drug may have been used for medical purposes, even when medical marijuana is legal under a state's law, as it is in Washington. The Harveys, their son, Rolland Gregg, 33; Gregg's wife Michelle, 35; and family friend Jason Zucker, 38, sought to describe their doctor-recommended medical marijuana cultivation at their upcoming trial on federal drug charges.

"You can tell a portion of the truth, just a bit of the truth and only the truth they want you to tell," said Kari Boiter, the Washington state coordinator for the medical marijuana advocacy group Americans for Safe Access, who accompanied Larry Harvey at Tuesday's hearing. "Forget 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,'" Boiter added.

The group claims they were growing 74 medical marijuana plants for their personal use at the Harveys' rural home near Kettle Falls, Washington. Defense attorneys said the pot patch complied with state law.

Nevertheless, the federal government has charged each with six felonies, including manufacturing, possession and distribution of marijuana, as well as possessing a firearm in furtherance of drug trafficking.

The family kept numerous firearms at the home, in the wilderness of northeast Washington state, near the U.S.-Canadian border, for hunting and defense, their lawyers said. They have encountered black bears, cougars and coyotes at their front door on several occasions, according to the lawyers.

"It doesn't matter that we used the shotgun to hunt turkeys and the hunting rifle for deer," Rhonda Harvey said in a statement to the media last week.

Federal prosecutors say the presence of firearms shows the defendants were involved in drug trafficking.

Defense attorneys argue that the defendants were not "perceived to be violent in any way" and that the guns had nothing to do with the cultivation of medical cannabis.

The home was raided by state authorities on Aug. 9, 2012, according to court documents. State law enforcers found 74 plants growing near the home. Under the presumption that the family was growing this cannabis as a collective, rather than individually, officers seized 29 cannabis plants so that the family would be compliant with state law, which limits collective crops to no more than 45 plants. State authorities did not press charges or seize anything else.

A week later, federal authorities conducted a more comprehensive raid, seizing the Harveys' remaining marijuana plants, as well as about five pounds of raw cannabis and some marijuana-infused edibles from the freezer. The feds also seized a 2007 sedan, several hundred dollars, firearms and some personal belongings.

"This is not the kind of spectacular haul that the DEA is typically called in for," the family's attorneys wrote in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder in February, urging him to reconsider the charges. "Just the opposite, the evidence seized is consistent with the type of strict medical dosage that occurs with a doctor's supervision."

Washington legalized medical marijuana in 1998 and recreational marijuana in 2012. Still, federal law classifies marijuana a Schedule I substance "with no currently accepted medical use."

Michael Ormsby, the U.S. attorney for the region, filed a court motion last week requesting "any evidence of medical purposes as well as the defendants' belief that they were lawfully engaged in marijuana cultivation" be inadmissible at trial. Ormsby argued that the family's purpose for growing marijuana is not the issue. Rather, he said, the "knowing or intentional manufacturing of marijuana" is what matters.

Defense attorneys argue that there is an "equal justice disparity" created by federal drug laws that contradict state laws.

"Here you have a single family facing a combined 60 years in mandatory minimum sentences for medical marijuana in the same state that plans to allow cannabis distribution on a scale unlike anyone has seen before," the defense attorneys wrote to Holder.

In August, Deputy Attorney General James Cole issued guidelines for all U.S. attorneys, saying it's "not an efficient use of federal resources to focus [medical marijuana] enforcement efforts on seriously ill individuals." Cole's memo also outlined what the federal government still regards as prosecution priorities, including "preventing violence and the use of firearms in the cultivation and distribution of marijuana."

Larry Harvey, a recently retired commercial truck driver of 30 years, ate marijuana-infused cookies to ease symptoms related to gout, chronic pain and inflammation, according to his attorneys. Rhonda Harvey suffers from osteoarthritis and has undergone joint and bone surgeries. Medical cannabis eased her inflammation and pain, the lawyers said. Rolland Gregg and Zucker used medical marijuana to treat back injuries. Michelle Gregg used cannabis for appetite stimulation due to wasting brought on by a medical condition she hasn't disclosed.

In March, Holder announced support for sentencing reform that would reduce prison time for some nonviolent drug crimes. Last week, a White House official told Yahoo News that President Barack Obama may grant clemency to "hundreds and perhaps thousands" of people who have been jailed for nonviolent offenses.

Harvey family lawyers argue that the defendants were "clearly abiding by the rest of the priorities laid out in the latest Cole memo" and the U.S. attorney should therefore drop the charges.

Last week, during pretrial hearings, the five defendants rejected plea deals offered by the prosecution that would have reduced their maximum prison sentences to three years. Without the deals, they each face maximum penalties that range up to 40 years to life in federal prison.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/06/harvey-family-marijuana-court_n_5275806.html

Thor
05-08-2014, 08:34 AM
It will be interesting to see if the state of Washington government supports them in this case, or just turns a blind eye to the Feds stomping on them.

"But Mom said I could do it..."

"I don't care what your Mom said, I said you can't. And now you're grounded."

"Just get a divorce already, asshole."

tod evans
05-08-2014, 08:36 AM
70 y/o prisoner...

There's absolutely no reason for this matter not to be heard by a jury.

A perfect opportunity to put nullification to the test in federal court.

Thor
05-08-2014, 02:17 PM
70 y/o prisoner...

There's absolutely no reason for this matter not to be heard by a jury.

A perfect opportunity to put nullification to the test in federal court.

A jury of sheeple... oh boy.

I think this, or cases like this, could rip the the Fed/State relationship wide open. How can you imprison someone for something that was perfectly legal in the eyes of the state? Will the state have a spine?

GunnyFreedom
05-08-2014, 03:00 PM
Judges deciding what kinds of defenses the accused is or is not allowed to use, has always seemed very 'tyranny' to me. If I revealed my true thoughts on how angry that makes me I'd probably end up behind bars.

Thor
05-08-2014, 03:10 PM
Judges deciding what kinds of defenses the accused is or is not allowed to use, has always seemed very 'tyranny' to me. If I revealed my true thoughts on how angry that makes me I'd probably end up behind bars.

I know... "Oh, I am sorry, you cannot use that defense. We don't accept your reason no matter how valid, so please think of a new one. Make one up that we do 'accept' so then we can find you guilty."

DamianTV
05-08-2014, 03:22 PM
Why dont they just come out with it and say "youre not allowed to defend yourself in Court"?

GunnyFreedom
05-08-2014, 03:29 PM
Thomas Jefferson, who grew cannabis in his medicinal garden at Monticello, just increased the velocity of his grave-spin.

Brett85
05-08-2014, 03:31 PM
This is one of the most tyrannical things the federal government does. You would think that conservatives who care about states' rights and limited government would be up in arms about this, but unfortunately most of them aren't.

GunnyFreedom
05-08-2014, 03:42 PM
I'm afraid if I were in court and something like this happened to me, it would go very very horribly. The first thing I would do is hold the Judge in contempt of the Constitution. It would be all downhill from there.

GunnyFreedom
05-08-2014, 03:46 PM
"You can't do that!"

'Silence, or I will hold you in contempt of Court!'

"YOU, Judge, are already in contempt of the Constitution, you have no authority to tell me what defense i can and can not use."

'Thirty days!'

"That's it! You are in contempt of the Constitution! I demand that you present yourself to the nearest" Z Z Z Z Z A A A A A A A P P P P P P P "AAAAIIIEEEE!"

Philhelm
05-08-2014, 03:54 PM
"You can't do that!"

'Silence, or I will hold you in contempt of Court!'

"YOU, Judge, are already in contempt of the Constitution, you have no authority to tell me what defense i can and can not use."

'Thirty days!'

"That's it! You are in contempt of the Constitution! I demand that you present yourself to the nearest" Z Z Z Z Z A A A A A A A P P P P P P P "AAAAIIIEEEE!"

"When you gotta shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
-Tuco

DamianTV
05-08-2014, 05:26 PM
No longer given Concent of the Governed.

GunnyFreedom
05-08-2014, 05:48 PM
70 y/o prisoner...

There's absolutely no reason for this matter not to be heard by a jury.

A perfect opportunity to put nullification to the test in federal court.

Not intentionally malevolent.

mrsat_98
05-08-2014, 05:53 PM
70 y/o prisoner...

There's absolutely no reason for this matter not to be heard by a jury.

A perfect opportunity to put nullification to the test in federal court.

google "man or other animals" adask

Thor
05-10-2014, 10:32 AM
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/kettle-falls-five-open-up-pot-grow-that-might-land-them-in-prison/25907190


Kettle Falls Five open up pot grow that might land them in prison
Author: Ian Cull, KXLY4 Multimedia Journalist, ianc@kxly.com
Published On: May 09 2014 06:32:43 PM PDT Updated On: May 09 2014 06:56:09 PM PDT

The Kettle Falls 5 are a group of people the federal government is charging with growing and intending to distribute marijuana and they gave KXLY an exclusive behind-the-scenes look at the former pot grow that could land them in prison.

This group of family and friends is confused as to why they were targeted by the federal government especially because they live in a rural setting, and the marijuana was intended for medical purposes. When the county prosecutor heard what they were doing he chose not to prosecute them, but federal prosecutors are moving forward with the trial saying it doesn't matter how much pot they were growing, it's all illegal.

Larry Harvey will be the first to admit he used to grow marijuana on his property.

"It's about a quarter mile up here," he said. "It's just the top of the hill, a little flat spot there that we cleared all the brush out of it."

The property is still littered with fertilizer and water bins and a sign to show it's a medical operation. The family said they grew 68 plants there and if you look closely you can see some holes in the ground where those plants used to be.

They claimed there were 68 plants; the federal government said it was 74 but, under federal law, one is too many, and that's why the property was raided in August 2012.

They're now charged with four federal marijuana counts and a gun charge.

Authorities spotted the grow during a flyover.

"Any planes flying over can see it," Harvey said. "It aint like we were trying to hide it."

Harvey and the other four claim the medical marijuana was only for themselves and it helped his gout and knee pain.

"Took the pain away. Five minutes the pain would be gone," Harvey said.

Washington law gives an affirmative defense to pot patients who collectively grow up to 45 plants together. While there were more plants here the Harveys said the plants were scattered, allowing them to have more.

"For 15 plants apiece and there were five of us that were in on this job and we thought we were legal for 75 plants," Harvey explained.

But for the federal government it's all illegal, with one prosecutor saying even one marijuana plant is too many.

Now the Kettle Falls 5 face up to 40 years in prison, and one of them faces life in prison if convicted.

The trial was supposed to start next Monday but it's been delayed until July 28.

One question is, now that Washington has licensed marijuana growers will that affect the outcome of the Kettle Falls 5 trial? Prosecutors wouldn't comment because of ongoing litigation but it's still very illegal under federal law.

However, one of their consultants brought up the question will the federal government really convict these people in July when there are recreational sales going on down the street?

It's a good question and one of the reasons this case is being watched by so many.

Cleaner44
05-10-2014, 11:21 AM
Of course liberals will ignore that Obama has his dept of JustUs persecuting people for medical marijuana.

tod evans
05-12-2014, 06:27 AM
Youhoo picked it up, courtesy of Drudge;

Feds seek prison for rural Washington pot growers

http://news.yahoo.com/feds-seek-prison-rural-washington-pot-growers-163636772.html;_ylt=AwrSyCNMqm9TkTsAzBXQtDMD

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — The green-cross storefronts of medical marijuana dispensaries are common in much of Washington, and the state is plowing ahead with licensing people to grow and sell recreational pot to adults.

But a federal trial scheduled to begin in the coming weeks for five people in Spokane suggests not all is OK with weed in the state.

Larry Harvey, a 70-year-old medical marijuana patient with no criminal history, three of his relatives and a family friend each face mandatory minimum sentences of at least 10 years in prison after they were caught growing about 70 pot plants on their rural, mountainous property.

The Harveys did have guns at their home, which is part of the reason for the lengthy possible prison time. They say the weapons were for hunting and protection, but prosecutors say two of the guns were loaded and in the same room as a blue plastic tub of pot.

Medical marijuana advocates have cried foul, arguing the prosecution violates Department of Justice policies announced by Attorney General Eric Holder last year that nonviolent, small-time drug offenders shouldn't face lengthy prison sentences.

"This case is another glaring example of what's wrong with the federal policy on cannabis," said Kari Boiter, Washington state coordinator for the medical marijuana group Americans for Safe Access.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Joe Harrington, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Spokane, said he could not discuss the upcoming trial or the office's general approach to pot crimes.

But the case illustrates discrepancies in how law enforcement officials are handling marijuana cases as Washington — with the Justice Department's blessing — moves ahead with its grand experiment in pot legalization. Medical marijuana gardens the size of the Harveys' rarely draw attention from authorities in the Seattle area.

Under Initiative 502 about 30 people have so far been licensed to grow marijuana for sale at recreational pot shops slated to begin opening in July. Commercial medical marijuana dispensaries also operate in many cities, especially in Western Washington, generally considered the liberal half of the state.

Under federal law, marijuana remains illegal, and what the licensed growers are doing differs little from what Harvey and his family did.

In Colorado, the other state to legalize recreational marijuana, many pot shops even have armed security guards. Under federal law, that looks a lot like possessing a firearm in furtherance of a drug trafficking crime. There have been no recent federal charges involving commercial dispensaries in Western Washington or in Colorado absent indications of further criminality.

"Where commercial outlets are largely permitted in Western Washington, the (U.S. Attorney's Office) in Eastern Washington is subjecting individual patients to mandatory minimum prison sentences for private cultivation," defense attorneys in the Harvey case wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder, asking him to review the prosecution.

The DOJ has said since 2009 that prosecuting marijuana patients isn't a priority. It's allowing states to regulate marijuana for recreational or medical use, but it has reserved the right to target operations that don't follow state law or have ties to organized crime.

Defense lawyers say Spokane U.S. Attorney Mike Ormsby has charged cases that likely would not have been prosecuted in state court, where the defendants could have argued that they were complying with Washington's medical marijuana law, approved by voters in 1998. One defendant pleaded guilty to federal charges last week for having a 32-plant medical marijuana grow, to avoid a weapons charge for having guns at his house.

Douglas Hiatt, a Seattle lawyer, said the federal prosecutions are undermining the state's medical marijuana law.

Harvey, along with his wife, Rhonda Firestack-Harvey; her son, Rolland Gregg, and his wife, Michelle Gregg; and their friend, Jason Zucker, all had medical authorizations to use marijuana under state law. The Greggs and Zucker live in the Seattle area, and lawyers in the case say Zucker is the only one with previous criminal history, a conviction for marijuana growing. Harvey said he eats pot-laced cookies to ease pain from gout.

Douglas Phelps, a lawyer for Rolland Gregg, said many defendants feel they have no choice but to plead guilty to avoid long sentences, but the family feels strongly they did nothing wrong.

"Most people wouldn't take the chance of being convicted at trial," he said.

JK/SEA
05-12-2014, 09:24 AM
"You can't do that!"

'Silence, or I will hold you in contempt of Court!'

"YOU, Judge, are already in contempt of the Constitution, you have no authority to tell me what defense i can and can not use."

'Thirty days!'

"That's it! You are in contempt of the Constitution! I demand that you present yourself to the nearest" Z Z Z Z Z A A A A A A A P P P P P P P "AAAAIIIEEEE!"


we need a martyr.....

tod evans
05-12-2014, 09:27 AM
A jury of sheeple... oh boy.

I think this, or cases like this, could rip the the Fed/State relationship wide open. How can you imprison someone for something that was perfectly legal in the eyes of the state? Will the state have a spine?

Will the people of Washington state have the spine to force the issue?

The weasels in suits will do everything in their power to avoid drawing attention to themselves and will only speak out if they know it'll cost them their office if they don't....