Commiefornia, no US flags for Cinco De Mayo

[tod evans]

Students, It’s Illegal To Wear An American Flag Shirt On Cinco De Mayo


http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/05/students-its-illegal-to-wear-an-american-flag-shirt-on-cinco-de-mayo/

Students in a California school district will not be allowed to wear American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo, due to concerns that such displays of patriotism would inflame racial tensions by offending Mexican students on their holiday.

The district’s policy concerned many free speech advocates, but was upheld by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

In response, Tea Party groups plan to protest outside Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill. And they will be wearing American flag T-shirts. (RELATED: Latino student group says eating tacos is offensive to Mexicans)

“They silenced a symbol of patriotism and freedom in America,” said Georgine Scott-Codiga, president of the Gillroy-Morgan Hill Patriots, in a statement to KCBS.

The trouble dates back to Cinco de Mayo in 2010, when the school forced four students to remove their American flag T-shirts. Administrators worried that fighting would break out between white and Latino students if the shirts were noticed, and so the four offending students were sent home.

The practice of limiting one group’s free speech rights because that speech might cause another group to react violently is known as the “heckler’s veto.” It is understood by free speech enthusiasts to have a chilling effect on First Amendment rights. (RELATED: ‘I Started A Whole Fake Hate-Crime Thing… So I Didn’t Have To Do My Homework’)

The Ninth Circuit, however, ruled in February that the school was legally permitted to abridge white students’ free speech rights in service of Latino students’ feelings.

The Tea Party protest is focused on the free speech issue, said Scott-Codiga.

Police will being standing by in case things get out of hand.

[Origanalist]

Police will being standing by in case things get out of hand.

Too late.

[phill4paul]

The Ninth Circuit, however, ruled in February that the school was legally permitted to abridge white students’ free speech rights in service of Latino students’ feelings.

Feeling privileged?

[Origanalist]

Fortress Insane Asylum.

[tod evans]

Feeling privileged?

Why yeah...:rolleyes:

[Zippyjuan]

Just one school.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=9526849


In 2010, several students wore t-shirts with American flags to school on Cinco de Mayo. Some Latino students were offended. The school told the boys take off the t-shirts or go home. The case went to court, and a recent decision by the Ninth Circuit ruled in favor of the school.

"It was very upsetting to a lot of people that the flag, which is a positive American symbol of freedom, was banned," said Scott-Codiga.

Conservative Los Angeles radio talk show host Jimmy Z criticized the assistant principal and urges listeners to protest the school on Monday.

"So he's obviously go a bias here, obviously," said the talk show host. "Because if he didn't, he would recognize that the kids in high school have a right to free speech."

A counter demonstration will be held later in the day. Morgan Hill resident Joseph Carillo plans his own Cinco de Mayo rally at the school.

"I think it's better to promote Cinco de Mayo as Cinco de Mayo, and not as an American protest," said Morgan Hill resident Joseph

Some parents may keep their kids home. Student Anna Parker just wants the controversy to go away.

"I was a freshman when it happened," she said. "But, I mean, these people have the right to stand up for what they believe in. I think the kids are just annoyed because they just want to go about their school day."

[ZENemy]

Just one school. DISTRICT

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=9526849

Fixed that for you Mr Zippy-Omission, also at which point the OP or the article indicate that it was more than one school?

[Zippyjuan]

The headline makes it sound like it was the whole state. (the Daily Caller is the only source I see which says the rule was for the district and not just Live Oak High School).

[youngbuck]

Just one school.

Would that make it okay?

[HOLLYWOOD]

They(government) admit, they have a problem with ethnic gangs, so we'll trample the rights of the innocent and let harm/suffering upon them. These kooks in Kalifornia are Nuckin Futs! Frankly the courts should just buy a million rubberstamps to distribute, for their rulings on the state vs. the people or US Constitution...

Wait For It... Wait For It...

Court: School can ban US flag shirts for safety


http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/justice/california-school-american-flag-shirts/


The students at the Northern California school refused, according to the appeals court's summary of the case, and later brought a civil rights suit against the school and two administrators, arguing that their rights to freedom of expression, equal protection and due process had been violated.
Judges said the civil rights case forced them to weigh the difficult question of what takes precedence: students' free speech rights or school safety concerns?
According to court documents, the incident occurred amid "ongoing racial tension and gang violence within the school, and after a near-violent altercation had erupted during the prior Cinco de Mayo over the display of an American flag."
The previous year, court documents said, a group of students carrying a Mexican flag had clashed with students who hung an American flag from a tree and chanted "USA" on Cinco de Mayo, a holiday marking a famous Mexican military battle (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/05/us/cinco-de-mayo-origins/index.html) that is often celebrated in the United States.

In 2010, the appeals court said, "threats issued in the aftermath of the incident were so real that the parents of the students involved in the suit kept them home from school two days later."
CNN first learned of the court's ruling on Twitter.

[angelatc]

Just one school.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=9526849

That's how it starts.

[WM_in_MO]

Stop getting butthurt over the symbol of your oppressors.

[LibForestPaul]

The headline makes it sound like it was the whole state. (the Daily Caller is the only source I see which says the rule was for the district and not just Live Oak High School).

And the relevance of one school vs one district vs one state.

[phill4paul]

Stop getting butthurt over the symbol of your oppressors.

The "symbol of your oppressors" is not the point.

[TruckinMike]

//

[2young2vote]

They always claim safety and organization are the reasons to limit your ability to take advantage of the first amendment. Free speech zones, permits, licensing, time constraints. It is all for safety.

[Paulbot99]

Those students are racist. :cool:

[osan]

Happy Pinko de Mayo, you commie perverts!

[NIU Students for Liberty]

So students fighting over silly Mexican and American nationalistic symbols? Yawn.

[AngryCanadian]

You might have as well an America Team America Day with Freedom Fires :rolleyes:

[DamianTV]

So why exactly would any US resident be offended by the US displaying US flags? Its about as dumb as non Germans getting offended because Germany flies a German flag.

Now, for non white people that are born in the US, shouldnt they technically consider themselves as US residents (avoiding the topic of Illegals) and be just as patriotic as white US residents? I really dont get how people get offended by displaying Stars and Stripes in the country that flag represents.

Unless provoking violence is the goal...

[Madison320]

The root problem here is government schools. If all schools were private there would be nothing wrong with a school deciding to ban US flags.

[DamianTV]

The root problem here is government schools. If all schools were private there would be nothing wrong with a school deciding to ban US flags.

... or Homeschooled

[Michelangelo]

So... do I have to point out that Cinco de Mayo is actually more of an American holiday than it is a Mexican holiday?

Cinco de Mayo isn't a Mexican holiday. The 'battle' in question wasn't 'major'. It was a minor skirmish in a war that was neither part of the War for Independence or the Mexican Revolution. The only place in Mexico that has some festivities is Puebla where the battle in question took place, and even then its not a big deal. For comparison, Cinco de Mayo would be like the US celebrating a minor skirmish that occurred in the the Barbary Wars.

[tod evans]

And more fine flag legislation from the land of fruits-n-nutz;

Calif. Bill Banning State Sale Of Confederate Flag Passes


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/state-bill-banning-sale-of-confederate-flag-passes/
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California state government departments will be prohibited from selling or displaying items with an image of the Confederate flag under a bill that passed the Assembly on Monday.
AB2444 by Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, is headed to the Senate after passing on a 72-1 vote. Hall introduced the bill after his mother saw replica Confederate money being sold at the state Capitol gift shop.
He called the image a symbol of racism meant to intimidate.
“Its symbolism in history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture and murder of millions of Americans,” Hall said of the Confederate flag. “The state of California should not be in the business of promoting hate toward others.”
The only lawmaker to vote against the bill was Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, the leading Republican candidate for governor.
“We shouldn’t be here picking the kind of speech we like,” he said. “I am not standing here defending the symbol. I am standing here defending the principle that the First Amendment principles should apply in all state buildings, of all places.”
The bill originally banned all sales of Confederate flag memorabilia on state property. In explaining that provision, Hall noted a sign sold at the state fairgrounds depicting a Confederate flag with the phrase “It’s still my American flag.”
He amended the bill to exclude non-government employees and businesses from the ban to avoid violating constitutional free speech protections.
Courts have upheld the rights of individuals to display the Confederate flag while also upholding the rights of government agencies to limit what they endorse.
“We aren’t stifling free speech here,” said Assemblyman Donald Wagner, R-Irvine, calling on Republicans who oppose flag burning to understand the symbolic implications of the Confederate flag. “Here is a symbol that’s so vile, that carries such connotations, that we in the state do not want to be associated with it.”
The legislation would not prohibit Confederate flag images from appearing in educational or historical contexts, such as in textbooks or museums.
Some states have gone the other direction: Earlier this year, Georgia approved a specialty license plate featuring the Confederate flag.

[HOLLYWOOD]

First amendment better overrule these Kalifornia dictators
:D Georgia county votes to keep Confederate battle flag flying :D


http://www.georgianewsday.com/thumbnail.php?file=assets/110420040041_confederate_flag_192072029.jpg&size=article_medium
The Dodge County Commission has voted to fly the Confederate battle flag 365 days a year at the county courthouse.

Read More: http://www.georgianewsday.com/news/65835-georgia-county-votes-to-keep-confederate-battle-flag-flying.html



And more fine flag legislation from the land of fruits-n-nutz;

Calif. Bill Banning State Sale Of Confederate Flag Passes


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/state-bill-banning-sale-of-confederate-flag-passes/
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California state government departments will be prohibited from selling or displaying items with an image of the Confederate flag under a bill that passed the Assembly on Monday.
AB2444 by Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, is headed to the Senate after passing on a 72-1 vote. Hall introduced the bill after his mother saw replica Confederate money being sold at the state Capitol gift shop.
He called the image a symbol of racism meant to intimidate.
“Its symbolism in history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture and murder of millions of Americans,” Hall said of the Confederate flag. “The state of California should not be in the business of promoting hate toward others.”
The only lawmaker to vote against the bill was Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, the leading Republican candidate for governor.
“We shouldn’t be here picking the kind of speech we like,” he said. “I am not standing here defending the symbol. I am standing here defending the principle that the First Amendment principles should apply in all state buildings, of all places.”
The bill originally banned all sales of Confederate flag memorabilia on state property. In explaining that provision, Hall noted a sign sold at the state fairgrounds depicting a Confederate flag with the phrase “It’s still my American flag.”
He amended the bill to exclude non-government employees and businesses from the ban to avoid violating constitutional free speech protections.
Courts have upheld the rights of individuals to display the Confederate flag while also upholding the rights of government agencies to limit what they endorse.
“We aren’t stifling free speech here,” said Assemblyman Donald Wagner, R-Irvine, calling on Republicans who oppose flag burning to understand the symbolic implications of the Confederate flag. “Here is a symbol that’s so vile, that carries such connotations, that we in the state do not want to be associated with it.”
The legislation would not prohibit Confederate flag images from appearing in educational or historical contexts, such as in textbooks or museums.
Some states have gone the other direction: Earlier this year, Georgia approved a specialty license plate featuring the Confederate flag.

[youngbuck]

Calif. Bill Banning State Sale Of Confederate Flag Passes


Just one state.

/Zippy

[tod evans]

Just one state.

/Zippy

Look for NY to follow suit....

[oyarde]

Well , if they actually knew anything about it and your intention was to agitate , it would be the French flag that was forbidden . Nobody knows anything anymore.

[nobody's_hero]

And more fine flag legislation from the land of fruits-n-nutz;

Calif. Bill Banning State Sale Of Confederate Flag Passes


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/state-bill-banning-sale-of-confederate-flag-passes/
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California state government departments will be prohibited from selling or displaying items with an image of the Confederate flag under a bill that passed the Assembly on Monday.
AB2444 by Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, is headed to the Senate after passing on a 72-1 vote. Hall introduced the bill after his mother saw replica Confederate money being sold at the state Capitol gift shop.
He called the image a symbol of racism meant to intimidate..

He should be more angry that the replica confederate dollars sold in the store are worth more than the U.S. dollars used to buy them.

[Ronin Truth]

So does the People's Republic of California (PRC) ban the wearing and flying of Mexican flags on the Fourth of July?

[Zippyjuan]

And more fine flag legislation from the land of fruits-n-nutz;

Calif. Bill Banning State Sale Of Confederate Flag Passes


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/state-bill-banning-sale-of-confederate-flag-passes/
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California state government departments will be prohibited from selling or displaying items with an image of the Confederate flag under a bill that passed the Assembly on Monday.
AB2444 by Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Compton, is headed to the Senate after passing on a 72-1 vote. Hall introduced the bill after his mother saw replica Confederate money being sold at the state Capitol gift shop.
He called the image a symbol of racism meant to intimidate.
“Its symbolism in history is directly linked to the enslavement, torture and murder of millions of Americans,” Hall said of the Confederate flag. “The state of California should not be in the business of promoting hate toward others.”
The only lawmaker to vote against the bill was Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, the leading Republican candidate for governor.
“We shouldn’t be here picking the kind of speech we like,” he said. “I am not standing here defending the symbol. I am standing here defending the principle that the First Amendment principles should apply in all state buildings, of all places.”
The bill originally banned all sales of Confederate flag memorabilia on state property. In explaining that provision, Hall noted a sign sold at the state fairgrounds depicting a Confederate flag with the phrase “It’s still my American flag.”
He amended the bill to exclude non-government employees and businesses from the ban to avoid violating constitutional free speech protections.
Courts have upheld the rights of individuals to display the Confederate flag while also upholding the rights of government agencies to limit what they endorse.
“We aren’t stifling free speech here,” said Assemblyman Donald Wagner, R-Irvine, calling on Republicans who oppose flag burning to understand the symbolic implications of the Confederate flag. “Here is a symbol that’s so vile, that carries such connotations, that we in the state do not want to be associated with it.”
The legislation would not prohibit Confederate flag images from appearing in educational or historical contexts, such as in textbooks or museums.
Some states have gone the other direction: Earlier this year, Georgia approved a specialty license plate featuring the Confederate flag.

The law does not allow the Confederate flag to be sold in STATE RUN stores. It does not ban it in the state. (Not that I agree with the need for such a law in the first place).