44 Years Ago Today - "Four Dead in Ohio" - The Kent State killings.

[Anti Federalist]

Not intentionally malevolent.



Kent State shootings

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

The Kent State shootings (also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre) occurred at Kent State University in the US city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.

Some of the students who were shot had been protesting against the Cambodian Campaign, which President Richard Nixon announced during a television address on April 30. Other students who were shot had been walking nearby or observing the protest from a distance.

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students, and the event further affected public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.

[tod evans]

RIP

Jeffrey Glenn Miller; age 20

Allison B. Krause; age 19

William Knox Schroeder; age 19

Sandra Lee Scheuer; age 20

[JK/SEA]

A very notable incident. Not to be forgotten.

[jkr]

and they are $TILL are waging war on americans from sea to shinning sea

[rprprs]

Fairness in reporting demands that we also present the government's view of the incident:

http://doddcenter.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/georgia_straight.jpg

[CaseyJones]

and how many since

[Origanalist]

Bump

http://www.lewrockwell.com/assets/2014/05/Kent-State.jpg

[pcosmar]

Was started by a provocateur.. A cop wannabe.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/04/new-light-shed-on-kent-state-killings/?page=all

[RJB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakLUusNlXc

[francisco]

Discussion of the Kent State massacre must include the almost immediate response in popular culture of Neil Young's song Ohio

From the Wikipedia article:

Young wrote the lyrics to "Ohio" after seeing the photos of the incident in Life Magazine.[2] On the evening that CSN&Y entered Record Plant Studios in Los Angeles, the song had already been rehearsed, and the quartet with their regular rhythm section recorded it live in just a few takes. During the same session they recorded the single's equally direct B-side, Stephen Stills's ode to the war's dead, "Find the Cost of Freedom".


...The record was mastered with the participation of the four principals, rush-released by Atlantic and heard on the radio with only a few weeks' delay. (This was despite the group already having their hit song "Teach Your Children" on the charts at the time.) In his liner notes for the song on the Decade retrospective, Young termed the Kent State incident as 'probably the biggest lesson ever learned at an American place of learning' and reported that "David Crosby cried when we finished this take."[3] Indeed, Crosby can be heard keening "Four, why? Why did they die?" and "How many more?" in the fade... [emphasis mine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_%28Crosby,_Stills,_Nash_%26_Young_song%29

on edit: I must have been on a similar mental wavelength as RJB, didn't see that he already got different version of the song video up while I was composing my post



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI1gcH2XCEw

[RJB]

Bring this up to your "liberal" progressive friends when they talk of school shootings and see if they want to disarm the US Government.

[Anti Federalist]

Was started by a provocateur.. A cop wannabe.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/04/new-light-shed-on-kent-state-killings/?page=all

Conspiracy theorist.

You're hurting the movement.

[FloralScent]

Was started by a provocateur.. A cop wannabe.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/04/new-light-shed-on-kent-state-killings/?page=all

Of course. That shit in the 60s was about as spontaneous as the the Ukrainian riots, and going by the article you posted, right out of the same playbook.

[Anti Federalist]

And, as is usually the case, the violent government killers cry "peace" and "non violence".

Only they are allowed to gas you, club you, tase you, beat you to death and shoot you where you stand.

"See what you awful people made us do??!!" - Soldier Friendly




Fairness in reporting demands that we also present the government's view of the incident:

http://doddcenter.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/georgia_straight.jpg

[pcosmar]

Conspiracy theorist.

You're hurting the movement.

Screw it.. It backfired on them anyway.. The anti-War movement grew behind this.

I also see it as the seeds of the Patriot Movement. or at least one of the seeds.

[Carson]

Fairness in reporting demands that we also present the government's view of the incident:

http://doddcenter.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/georgia_straight.jpg


This may be from a college paper but...

There were lots of underground newspapers at the time.

Lots of what was in them was crap...but it was interesting crap. Sort of like our exposure to everyone's news on the Internet. You take it all in an assign it the credit it deserves. Balances always shifting.

Not necessarily where intended!

http://obrag.org/?p=4391

[FloralScent]

Bring this up to your "liberal" progressive friends when they talk of school shootings and see if they want to disarm the US Government.

"but...but...our side's in charge now"

[Anti Federalist]

Those quotes from Nixon and Agnew are accurate, IIRC.




This may be from a college paper but...

There were lots of underground newspapers at the time.

Lots of what was in them was crap...but it was interesting crap. Sort of like our exposure to everyone's news on the Internet. You take it all in an assign it the credit it deserves. Balances always shifting.

Not necessarily where intended!

http://obrag.org/?p=4391

[Nirvikalpa]

Thanks for the remembrance.

[James Madison]

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of four million students, and the event further affected public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.

Could you imagine getting people to do this today? We save our outrage for important things like sports owners.

[Anti Federalist]

President Nixon and his administration's public reaction to the shootings was perceived by many in the anti-war movement as callous. Then National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger said the president was "pretending indifference." Stanley Karnow noted in his Vietnam: A History that "The [Nixon] administration initially reacted to this event with wanton insensitivity. Nixon's press secretary, Ron Ziegler, whose statements were carefully programmed, referred to the deaths as a reminder that 'when dissent turns to violence, it invites tragedy.'" Three days before the shootings, Nixon himself had talked of "bums" who were antiwar protestors on US campuses,[40] to which the father of Allison Krause stated on national TV "My child was not a bum."[41]

[Anti Federalist]

Not intentionally malevolent.

The War on Us, continues, unabated.




67 rounds fired at a mass gathering of people by a whole unit of Guardsmen.


In retrospect, the tragedy of May 4, 1970 should not have occurred. The students may have believed that they were right in continuing their mass protest in response to the Cambodian invasion, even though this protest followed the posting and reading by the university of an order to ban rallies and an order to disperse. These orders have since been determined by the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals to have been lawful.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UnDuOdgej4w/TpqGxGwLG4I/AAAAAAAAjm4/A417kuRCHDc/s1600/kent_state_3.jpg

103 rounds fired by eight cops at two newspaper delivery women.


Chief Charlie Beck insisted that this shooting was simply the result of “a tragic cascade of circumstances that led to an inaccurate conclusion by the officers.”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef017ee85cb1e4970d-640wi

[Pericles]

Could you imagine getting people to do this today? We save our outrage for important things like sports owners.

The difference between a volunteer army and the draft. Nobody gives a shit about volunteers - you can kill as many as you please.

[James Madison]

The difference between a volunteer army and the draft. Nobody gives a shit about volunteers - you can kill as many as you please.

The government learned its lesson on that one. Much easier to wage perpetual war when a small number of people bear the entire burden.

[oyarde]

The difference between a volunteer army and the draft. Nobody gives a shit about volunteers - you can kill as many as you please.

Kind of reminds you of the Foreign Legion.

[jbauer]

College English professor was an RA at Kent during the shootings. He would talk about it once a semester. It was quite emotional all these years later for him. He didn't personally know any of the victims but thinking back Kent fell under marshal law.

[Anti Federalist]

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[Pericles]

Kind of reminds you of the Foreign Legion.

Dogs and soldiers keep off the grass.

[angelatc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakLUusNlXc

I can't hear that song without remembering that someone here once exclaimed that they had no idea that this song was about an actual event. Heh - time passes.

[Aratus]

There is absolutely nothing that has changed over these last 44 years that actually prevents a similar incident.
if anything, our databases are much better at tracking dissidents at a distance or even creating a few new ones.

[ChristianAnarchist]

That was the year I graduated H.S. Everything was tainted by that war in Vietnam. Everyone had a viewpoint and the tide was turning away from the war. My brother was a Marine in Danang at the airfield as an aircraft mechanic. He came home. Many others did not. Vietnam was the first "war" in which the people experienced it first hand over the telly and that coverage is really what got us out of the war. Now there are no imbedded reporters and even the reporters who are allowed anywhere near the action are controlled in what they can see or hear or report. The goons learned their lessons from Vietnam and will never again allow real reporting on any conflict...

[kcchiefs6465]

That was the year I graduated H.S. Everything was tainted by that war in Vietnam. Everyone had a viewpoint and the tide was turning away from the war. My brother was a Marine in Danang at the airfield as an aircraft mechanic. He came home. Many others did not. Vietnam was the first "war" in which the people experienced it first hand over the telly and that coverage is really what got us out of the war. Now there are no imbedded reporters and even the reporters who are allowed anywhere near the action are controlled in what they can see or hear or report. The goons learned their lessons from Vietnam and will never again allow real reporting on any conflict...
There are a couple that do good work.

Off the top of my head I'd say Jeremy Scahill. They've learned their lesson on letting him speak on television though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PayjmmZLmdU


ETA:

This one here probably better illustrates my point. The title is incorrect though, the strike referred to in Yemen was a Cruise missile strike, not a drone strike. (Scahill never clarified but his work traveling to Al Majalah, interviewing the couple of survivors and taking pictures of the remaining missile fragments was very powerful stuff. Not to downplay those in Yemen who risked their lives challenging the dictatorship they lived under.

Abdulelah Haider Shaye is still in a Yemeni prison to this day because of his work documenting US war crimes in Yemen. Barack Obama personally is the reason why. He called the dictator of Yemen, Ali Saleh, personally and voiced his concern with the journalist's release citing specifically, interviewing AQAP was equal to providing material support. To say Shaye was a brave man for asking leaders of AQAP the questions he did would be an understatement. 'Journalists' in this country are a joke.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtvMRktK4Ao