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Boshembechle
04-29-2014, 05:35 PM
1. Single moms are the problem. Only 9 percent of low-income, urban moms have been single throughout their child's first five years. Thirty-five percent were married to, or in a relationship with, the child's father for that entire time.*

2. Absent dads are the problem. Sixty percent of low-income dads see at least one of their children daily. Another 16 percent see their children weekly.*
3. Black dads are the problem. Among men who don't live with their children, black fathers are more likely (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf) than white or Hispanic dads to have a daily presence in their kids' lives.
4. Poor people are lazy. In 2004, there was at least one adult with a job in 60 percent of families (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3894#_ftn3) on food stamps that had both kids and a nondisabled, working-age adult.
5. If you're not officially poor, you're doing okay. The federal poverty line for a family of two parents and two children in 2012 was $23,283 (http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm). Basic needs cost at least twice that (http://www.epi.org/resources/budget/) in 615 of America's cities and regions.
6. Go to college, get out of poverty. In 2012, about 1.1 million people who made less than $25,000 a year, worked full time, and were heads of household had a bachelor's degree.**
7. We're winning the war on poverty. The number of households with children living on less than $2 a day per person has grown 160 percent (http://www.npc.umich.edu/publications/policy_briefs/brief28/policybrief28.pdf)since 1996, to 1.65 million families in 2011.
8. The days of old ladies eating cat food are over. The share of elderly single women living in extreme poverty jumped 31 percent (http://www.nwlc.org/resource/insecure-unequal-poverty-among-women-and-families-2000-2012) from 2011 to 2012.
9. The homeless are drunk street people. One in 45 kids (http://www.familyhomelessness.org/children.php?p=ts) in the United States experiences homelessness each year. In New York City alone, 22,000 children are homeless (http://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/pages/basic-facts).
10. Handouts are bankrupting us. In 2012, total welfare funding (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3808) was 0.47 percent of the federal budget (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.action?packageId=BUDGET-2013-BUD).



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/03/10-poverty-myths-busted

CaptUSA
04-29-2014, 05:54 PM
Hmmm... SO what you are saying is that in spite of trillions spent on the war on poverty, people can still be poor?!

Seems like a futile investment to me.

Boshembechle
04-29-2014, 06:13 PM
The war on poverty has kept millions above the poverty line. This article is particularly important because it dispels the myth that welfare leads to a decline in family. Likewise, it is astounding that libertarians complain about social program spending, when in reality TANF is less than one percent of the federal budget.

heavenlyboy34
04-29-2014, 06:24 PM
The war on poverty has kept millions above the poverty line. This article is particularly important because it dispels the myth that welfare leads to a decline in family. Likewise, it is astounding that libertarians complain about social program spending, when in reality TANF + SNAP+ Medicare+ social security+medicaid+section 8, etc is less than one percent of the federal budget.
Artificially, yes. Keeping the poor on the dole prevents them from becoming upwardly mobile and independent (State welfare slaves). Hand up> handout.

Anti Federalist
04-29-2014, 06:25 PM
The war on poverty has kept millions above the poverty line. This article is particularly important because it dispels the myth that welfare leads to a decline in family. Likewise, it is astounding that libertarians complain about social program spending, when in reality TANF + SNAP+ Medicare+ social security+medicaid+section 8, etc is less than one percent of the federal budget.

Huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

angelatc
04-29-2014, 06:32 PM
1. Single moms are the problem. Only 9 percent of low-income, urban moms have been single throughout their child's first five years. Thirty-five percent were married to, or in a relationship with, the child's father for that entire time.*

Look how they twisted and cherry-picked their facts to pretend they had a point. Urban Moms, "in a relationship with..."

tod evans
04-29-2014, 06:33 PM
Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Mark Twain's Own Autobiography: The Chapters from the North American Review

:cool:

angelatc
04-29-2014, 06:34 PM
Huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png/800px-U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png

erowe1
04-29-2014, 06:35 PM
This article is particularly important because it dispels the myth that welfare leads to a decline in family.

No it doesn't.

angelatc
04-29-2014, 06:42 PM
This is the article they linked about TANF. Everybody should read it. http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3808

IF they wanted to make a case against block grants to liberals, they just convinced me it's a good idea.

Aside from that, fuck the liberals who vote based only on how much money they can get the government to dole out every month.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-29-2014, 06:54 PM
This article is particularly important because it dispels the myth that welfare leads to a decline in family.

Well, considering all the Obama phones and cable TV--I guess I agree with you.

Boshembechle
04-29-2014, 09:43 PM
Another particular stat from the article that I find intriguing is the large percentage of these poor souls who work (60%). Also, the stat that shows that black men are, in fact, very involved in families.

angelatc
04-29-2014, 09:47 PM
Another particular stat from the article that I find intriguing is the large percentage of these poor souls who work (60%). Also, the stat that shows that black men are, in fact, very involved in families.

You believe the lies you tell. We get that.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39993685/ns/health-womens_health/t/blacks-struggle-percent-unwed-mothers-rate/#.U2Bx2vldWSo


Seventy-two percent of black babies are born to unmarried mothers today, according to government statistics.


Children of unmarried mothers of any race are far more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.

Stupid liberals trying to have it both ways. They spent decades mocking and destroying the traditional family model, now they are pretending that the effort has had no significant effects on the families.

Danke
04-29-2014, 09:53 PM
You believe the lies you tell. We get that.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39993685/ns/health-womens_health/t/blacks-struggle-percent-unwed-mothers-rate/#.U2Bx2vldWSo





Stupid liberals trying to have it both ways. They spent decades mocking and destroying the traditional family model, now they are pretending that the effort has had no significant effects on the families.

Racist.

Cleaner44
04-29-2014, 09:58 PM
The war on poverty has kept millions above the poverty line. This article is particularly important because it dispels the myth that welfare leads to a decline in family. Likewise, it is astounding that libertarians complain about social program spending, when in reality TANF is less than one percent of the federal budget.


The number of households with children living on less than $2 a day per person has grown 160 percent since 1996, to 1.65 million families in 2011.

The War on Poverty is a failure.

euphemia
04-29-2014, 09:58 PM
...or in a relationship with, the child's father for that entire time.*

That's definitely the same as being married to, and owning joint property with.....

acptulsa
04-29-2014, 09:58 PM
Another particular stat from the article that I find intriguing is the large percentage of these poor souls who work (60%).

Yup. Now defend the Federal Reserve. It took a lot of dollar devaluation to press our standard of living down to the point where we could work fifty hours a week and starve at the same time. Of course, the Fed could never have pushed it to the point where the corporations could starve full time workers without the welfare program.

It isn't welfare for people, it's corporate welfare for corporations that don't want to pay people a living wage and couldn't get away with that without the food stamp program in place.


The War on Poverty is a failure.

The War on Poverty is a resounding success. You just don't realize it's not there to eliminate poverty, but to create corporate welfare.

It's all so simple it's no wonder liberals don't get it. Create a social safety net so everyone won't quit because what's the point of working fifty hours a week if you still have to choose between food or housing, deliberately trash the economy, print of trillions of dollars in the name of 'fixing the economy' (which printing off trillions of dollars never does), and watch as people try and fail to get a cost of living raise in a crappy economy.

Throw in a few new regulations that you say is to punish the corporations but does far, far more harm to small business and the corporations will give you millions in brib--er, I mean campaign contributions for your efforts. Beats workin'. Especially for starvation wages.