GOP Plotting To Ram Amnesty Through in August

[AuH20]

So sayeth our Corporate Masters. They don't give a damn about the future of the GOP. Gimme gimme gimme. All the world's worst are behind this bill. Boehner, Cantor, King, McCain, Graham. You get the picture. I'm going to make a bold prediction. If they pass amnesty, the 2nd amendment will be gone in 6 to 8 years. Mark it down.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/27/GOP-Leadership-Plotting-to-Pass-Amnesty-in-August-May-Put-AZ-TX-in-Play-for-Dems

[Uriel999]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get it over with. Fuck it, at least we'd get more beaches that way.

[Carlybee]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get it over with. Fuck it, at least we'd get more beaches that way.

Their cartels already operate here. Thing is a lot of Mexicans think they should be annexing us and I think they are succeeding.

[AlexAmore]

Trying to close borders to solve a voter problem that is disguised as an immigration "problem" with preemptive government force against people that have not infringed upon your rights by simply crossing an arbitrary line in the sand, all so we can prolong the most destructive force on the planet? Do you also think it's as simple as electing the right people? That's what liberals tell me too.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Doesn't matter if they close the borders... one can fly, train, boat in today... it's about; welfare perks, Amnesty, and the FOR SALE U.S. government. They can have High Tech/SMTE just come in illegally and get Amnesty as opposed to bribing lobbying .gov for more foreign workers.

Here's another angle that's chipping away: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/04/20/did-we-just-lose-85000-us-jobs-to-foreign-workers.aspx


Did We Just Lose 85,000 U.S. Jobs to Foreign Workers?

By Amanda Alix (http://my.fool.com/profile/sunnyspot/info.aspx?source=iapsitlnk0000002)
April 20, 2014

As it does every year on April 1, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services made available tens of thousands of H-1B visas, the kind that allow U.S. businesses to bring highly skilled workers into the country to work, full-time, for up to six years. Since 2004, the number of visas was set at 65,000; two years later, another 20,000 were added for foreign graduates of U.S. colleges and universities.
By April 7, the government announced that the cap for 2015 was reached. Companies had filed 172,500 H-1B petitions within that time period, meaning that a lottery would be held to determine which businesses would receive the available 85,000 visas.

A brightening economy?
That's a lot of jobs being filled by non-Americans, but even more surprising is the number of petitions filed. Last year, the cap was also reached within the first week – but only 124,000 petitions were filed.

With the domestic employment picture beginning to brighten a bit, some may see this increase in offshore worker demand as a sign of a recovering economy. To many others, however, the issue only highlights how many jobs are going to imported laborers, rather than employing workers here at home.

"Highly specialized knowledge"
The H-1B program, according to the USCIS (http://www.uscis.gov/news/uscis-reaches-fy-2015-h-1b-cap), is used by businesses to "employ foreign workers in occupations that require highly specialized knowledge in fields such as science, engineering and computer programming." In fact, the list of occupations that have been covered under the program is long and varied, and includes additional job groups, such as medicine and health, economics, therapy, and all levels of education, from kindergarten to the university level. There's even a category for "fashion models of distinguished merit and ability (http://www.dol.gov/whd/immigration/h1b.htm)."
While it may be hard to believe that there is a shortage of teachers or therapists in the U.S., the issue pits concerns of employers against those of workers and their supporters. While the latter group may see the H-1B program and its ilk as taking jobs away from Americans, the former obviously disagrees, since the jobs supposedly require a level of expertise unavailable from the domestic labor pool.

Protections for both foreign and domestic workers
The H-1B program has many built-in protections for workers. For the foreign employee, the employer must pay at least the local prevailing wage, as well as other benefits bestowed upon other employees.
For American workers, H-1B workers may not be used to replace striking or locked-out workers, and conditions for the U.S. workforce cannot be negatively affected by the employment of foreign workers.
Despite these protections, charges of paying foreign workers less, at the expense of American workers, persist. UC Davis Computer Science Professor Norman Matloff, for example, claims that loopholes exist (http://www.epi.org/publication/bp356-foreign-students-best-brightest-immigration-policy/) in prevailing wage laws that allow H-1B workers to be paid less than their American counterparts.... cont. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/04/20/did-we-just-lose-85000-us-jobs-to-foreign-workers.aspx

[AuH20]

Doesn't matter if they close the borders... one can fly, train, boat in today... it's about; welfare perks, Amnesty, and the FOR SALE U.S. government. They can have High Tech/SMTE just come in illegally and get Amnesty as opposed to bribing lobbying .gov for more foreign workers.

Here's another angle that's chipping away: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/04/20/did-we-just-lose-85000-us-jobs-to-foreign-workers.aspx

You really have to wonder what the GOP hierarchy is thinking here. Do they just want to remove the mask and become partners with the democrats in regard to selling government access as the perennial minor party? They will never win a general election again. They'll probably be blocked from the Senate. I'm trying to put myself in their shoes. This would be a wholesale sellout anyway you look at it.

[AuH20]

Trying to close borders to solve a voter problem that is disguised as an immigration "problem" with preemptive government force against people that have not infringed upon your rights by simply crossing an arbitrary line in the sand, all so we can prolong the most destructive force on the planet? Do you also think it's as simple as electing the right people? That's what liberals tell me too.

I don't think there is a viable political solution left. But you can't just surrender and give them full authorized control with welfare subsidies acting as the magnet for a nearly inexhaustible block of voters. We need time to get our message out and get organized with the time we have been given.

[AlexAmore]

I don't think there is a viable political solution left. But you can't just surrender and give them full authorized control with welfare subsidies acting as the magnet for a nearly inexhaustible block of voters. We need time to get our message out and get organized with the time we have been given.

There never have been political solutions, it's an oxymoron

Are you trying to bail out the government? Why not let it collapse? It sounds harsh for all the people that depend on it, but if you research crypto-currencies and crypto-markets, you'll see there are major solutions simmering below the surface just waiting for the opportunity to swoop in. Technology is gonna make government obsolete. There's even a name for this type of revolution, it's called Agorism. Agorism is about using the market to go around and compete against the government and overcome it. Agorism is a market revolution, rather than a violent one. Political solutions...yuck.

[AuH20]

There never have been political solutions, it's an oxymoron

Are you trying to bail out the government? Why not let it collapse? It sounds harsh for all the people that depend on it, but if you research crypto-currencies and crypto-markets, you'll see there are major solutions simmering below the surface just waiting for the opportunity to swoop in. Technology is gonna make government obsolete. There's even a name for this type of revolution, it's called Agorism. Agorism is about using the market to compete against the government and overcome it. Agorism is a market revolution, rather than a violent one. Political solutions...yuck.

I truly believe that the political arena was specifically designed to suck up the brewing angst of the populace and give them the illusion of representation. An incredible amount of energy is wasted on this treadmill. That's not say you can use the political system to expose others to ideas, but as a solution it is futile.

[Philhelm]

Doesn't matter if they close the borders... one can fly, train, boat in today... it's about; welfare perks, Amnesty, and the FOR SALE U.S. government. They can have High Tech/SMTE just come in illegally and get Amnesty as opposed to bribing lobbying .gov for more foreign workers.

Here's another angle that's chipping away: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/04/20/did-we-just-lose-85000-us-jobs-to-foreign-workers.aspx

I work in an immigration law office. While I focus on family/individual based immigration, I have some knowledge about the H-1B process. There is a high level of dishonesty in the process. After the U.S. employer decides to hire the nonimmigrant employee, they will create a job posting that is so specific and tailored to the nonimmigrant's background that it is unlikely that most, if any, U.S. applicant's will qualify. Furthermore, these job postings will be placed in obscure locations, or they'll run radio adds at midnight on Sunday, and things like that in order to ensure minimal exposure to potential U.S. applicants. Then the company will complain that they can't find qualified U.S. applicants and use that as justification to file on behalf of the nonimmigrant.

Of course business should be able to hire people of their choosing, but it is definitely a lie that there aren't enough qualified STEM applicant's within the U.S.

[erowe1]

They don't give a damn about the future of the GOP.

Neither do I.

[pcosmar]

Why don't we just annex Mexico and get it over with. Fuck it, at least we'd get more beaches that way.

Ah,, the logic behind the North American Union.

[pcosmar]

Neither do I.

Third party?,, fourth party?.. How about an American Party?

Anti-Socialist Amercan Party. ASAP :D

[AuH20]

Neither do I.

So you're down for the revolution? If the GOP goes, so does any civility. That's why I am begrudgingly trying to keep it on life support.

[pcosmar]

So you're down for the revolution? If the GOP goes, so does any civility. That's why I am begrudgingly trying to keep it on life support.


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


Perhaps try something different..

I have watched this since the 70s.

[AuH20]

Perhaps try something different..

I have watched this since the 70s.

I'm not concerned about winning. I just want to survive at this point.

[erowe1]

So you're down for the revolution? If the GOP goes, so does any civility. That's why I am begrudgingly trying to keep it on life support.

First of all, the GOP won't go away. It will just change with the electorate.

Second of all, I don't quite know what you're saying about civility or revolution, but whatever it is, it's a bunch of bunk.

Third of all, you're not fooling anybody. There's nothing begrudging about your unabashed support for the GOP.

[AuH20]

First of all, the GOP won't go away. It will just change with the electorate.

Second of all, I don't quite know what you're saying about civility or revolution, but whatever it is, it's a bunch of bunk.

Third of all, you're not fooling anybody. There's nothing begrudging about your unabashed support for the GOP.

I want to lay it out for you. A fillibuster proof Democratic majority with a democratic president if the GOP expires without a viable alternative in place. If you think the current environment is bad now, wait until that fateful day comes.

As far as my unabashed support for the GOP, why haven't I voted for their presidential candidate in 2 straight general elections? I don't like the GOP. I don't like it's methods. I don't like it's priorities. But I'm not going throw away a natural barrier for the sake of vindictiveness.

[pcosmar]

But I'm not going throw away a natural barrier for the sake of vindictiveness.

It is not a barrier,, natural or otherwise.

It is a partner. It exists,, just as the Democrat party,, to offer the illusion of choice.