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Origanalist
04-26-2014, 12:51 PM
Duke's 'You Don't Say' Campaign Reminds You Which Words Shouldn't Be Used As Slang

There's no reason you should ever refer to something as "gay," and a campaign called "You Don't Say" at Duke University is reminding students with a photo campaign.

The project was developed by Think Before You Talk and Blue Devils United, two student organizations at Duke.

In another effort by the groups, they painted a local bridge urging people not to say things like "That's retarded" or that they were "raped" by something inanimate like a test:

The campaign tackles the use of words like "pussy," "***," "man up" or "bitch" as slang terms.

Check out some of the photos below:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755228/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755237/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755244/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1

More sensitivity at...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/duke-you-dont-say-campaign-photos_n_5199334.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

jclay2
04-26-2014, 12:58 PM
This thread is gay.

RJB
04-26-2014, 12:58 PM
I have a few things I'd like to say about this campaign, but I'm guessing they probably have a poster against a few of the words that I'd like to use.

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 01:02 PM
Some great comments after the article. :D



You use a word in front of two people, one is patently offended, the other, not in the slightest. Who's problem is it? Most definitely not the user of the word.

I have a very good friend who is gay, and whenever I say, "Man, that is so gay." he always laughs and replies, "I know, right?" Heck, he says it more than I do.


Offense is highly subjective and should not be policed by those who feel morally superior.

Considering "gay" didn't even mean homosexual until the last few decades, people don't have much room to talk about how horrible it is that it's being used in a new context... again.

...and don't use "FOOD-SUCKING MACHINE" when referring to beagles, please.

Uriel999
04-26-2014, 01:06 PM
Those **** need to man up and stop being whiny little bitches.

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 01:08 PM
Those **** need to man up and stop being whiny little bitches.

That's racist.

Occam's Banana
04-26-2014, 01:14 PM
What Doug Stanhope & Louis CK said ... (NSFW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pmat0VayM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pmat0VayM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw

phill4paul
04-26-2014, 01:17 PM
Puleesths, I know gayths thhat call each othher fagsthhh aths a put down.

William Tell
04-26-2014, 01:21 PM
Man up!
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/11/25/manly-manful-man-up-the-language-of-manliness/

Tywysog Cymru
04-26-2014, 01:22 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755237/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1


I don't even know what to say, some people are just too disconnected from reality.

William Tell
04-26-2014, 01:28 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755235/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1

No, you don't say it because you're a chick.

tod evans
04-26-2014, 01:28 PM
Fuck that!

I'll damn well say what ever pops into my ol' bald head....

donnay
04-26-2014, 01:29 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755237/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1


Better than saying "man down." :rolleyes:

What a bunch of pansy-foo-foo's

Men please stop using plastic with BPA and stop eating soy products--they are making you all effeminate--A.K.A: Light in the loafers.

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 01:30 PM
I don't even know what to say, some people are just too disconnected from reality.

Check the link, they will tell what you can say......

tod evans
04-26-2014, 01:31 PM
Better than saying "man down." :rolleyes:

What a bunch of pansy-foo-foo's

Men please stop using plastic with BPA and stop eating soy products--they are making you all effeminate--A.K.A: Light in the loafers.

Well damn it!

And here I thought I could grow my very own vagina without all the inherent headaches...

pcosmar
04-26-2014, 01:32 PM
Check the link, they will tell what you can say......

Thank you,,no.

I don't need to be TOLD what to say.

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 01:34 PM
Thank you,,no.

I don't need to be TOLD what to say.

That never stops them from telling you anyway.

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 01:36 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755237/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1


Better than saying "man down." :rolleyes:

What a bunch of pansy-foo-foo's

Men please stop using plastic with BPA and stop eating soy products--they are making you all effeminate--A.K.A: Light in the loafers.
That^^ There are BPAs in some soaps and such that should be avoided as well. Be aware of the chemicals in your environment. I've successfully avoided BPA and soy for many years. :cool: (they put soy in almost everything processed nowadays, so it's generally better to learn to cook yer own food like yours truly :) )

RJB
04-26-2014, 01:37 PM
The people they choose for the pictures look like the non-manly type that would say such tripe.

RJB
04-26-2014, 01:41 PM
For anyone falling for this PC crap, here is a manly subject that may even rehabilitate you:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?450633-2nd-Amendment-and-the-English-longbow

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 01:46 PM
For anyone falling for this PC crap, here is a manly subject that may even rehabilitate you:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?450633-2nd-Amendment-and-the-English-longbow

Scawy! :eek:

Ender
04-26-2014, 01:53 PM
"Gay" used to be such a lovely word- just like the word "liberal" once was.

And where I come from, "bitchin'" is a compliment. ;)

phill4paul
04-26-2014, 01:58 PM
I have owned this book for many a year...

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mk91Fp4bUujlLVtnnt6cUsA.jpg

I've always wanted to make an osage orange bow per his instructions. One of these days I will find the time.

Tywysog Cymru
04-26-2014, 02:00 PM
Check the link, they will tell what you can say......

Okay, so I guess for "man up" I know have to use "human up."

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 02:00 PM
Okay, so I guess for "man up" I know have to use "human up."

Person up is also acceptable.

Occam's Banana
04-26-2014, 02:12 PM
Okay, so I guess for "man up" I know have to use "human up."


Person up is also acceptable.

bzzzzzztt! Nope. Sorry. Thanks for playing.

human --> "man" implies maleness
person --> "son" implies maleness

Beyond any possibility of doubt, you have both proven that you are misogynists. You sexist pigs, you!

William Tell
04-26-2014, 02:15 PM
Okay, so I guess for "man up" I know have to use "human up."

"Bitch up"

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 02:19 PM
bzzzzzztt! Nope. Sorry. Thanks for playing.

human --> "man" implies maleness
person --> "son" implies maleness

Beyond any possibility of doubt, you have both proven that you are misogynists. You sexist pigs, you!

Are they not human? Are they not persons?
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2014/Guns/women-with-guns-ryanlatta-flickr.jpg

Think carefully before you answer. :D

phill4paul
04-26-2014, 02:22 PM
Are they not human? Are they not persons?

Are we not men?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc

Uriel999
04-26-2014, 02:22 PM
Are they not human? Are they not persons?
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2014/Guns/women-with-guns-ryanlatta-flickr.jpg

Think carefully before you answer. :D

Whatever they are, they have poor weapons handling skills. STRAIGHT AND OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU INTEND TO FIRE.

Tywysog Cymru
04-26-2014, 02:24 PM
bzzzzzztt! Nope. Sorry. Thanks for playing.

human --> "man" implies maleness
person --> "son" implies maleness

Beyond any possibility of doubt, you have both proven that you are misogynists. You sexist pigs, you!

Does "**** sapiens up" work?

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 02:25 PM
Does "**** sapiens up" work?

No, it has **** in it.

youngbuck
04-26-2014, 02:26 PM
I have a few things I'd like to say about this campaign, but I'm guessing they probably have a poster against a few of the words that I'd like to use.
C'mon, man up and spill it!

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 02:27 PM
No, it has **** in it.
How about simply "hominid up"?

donnay
04-26-2014, 02:28 PM
That^^ There are BPAs in some soaps and such that should be avoided as well. Be aware of the chemicals in your environment. I've successfully avoided BPA and soy for many years. :cool: (they put soy in almost everything processed nowadays, so it's generally better to learn to cook yer own food like yours truly :) )

Also they get man-boobs. Some men have bigger boobs then women. :eek:

William Tell
04-26-2014, 02:29 PM
How about simply "hominid up"?
Why are you picking on short people?

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 02:29 PM
How about simply "hominid up"?

Homophobic implications.

aGameOfThrones
04-26-2014, 02:30 PM
This thread is gay.

I don't think it's happy at all.

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 02:30 PM
Also they get man-boobs. Some men have bigger boobs then women. :eek:

http://www.s2c8.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/man-boob.jpg

angelatc
04-26-2014, 02:33 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755235/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1




She either is hanging around pussies, f.aggots, or drunks.

William Tell
04-26-2014, 02:35 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755235/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1




She either is hanging around pussies, f.aggots, or drunks.

But she's still cute.

angelatc
04-26-2014, 02:35 PM
Okay, so I guess for "man up" I know have to use "human up."


I'm thinking "shut up" probably works too.

angelatc
04-26-2014, 02:36 PM
But she's still cute.


Yes. My money would be on drunks.

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 02:38 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755235/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1




She either is hanging around pussies, f.aggots, or drunks.

Probably all three.

PaulConventionWV
04-26-2014, 02:39 PM
What unspeakable horror that people choose the words they say and other people simply react according to their own cultural bias. Imagine if people were simply allowed to walk around and NOT be offended by these words. Society would completely disintegrate! We would be saying bitchin' this and gay that and there would be nobody to tell us how using those words reinforces the caste system and how it's not okay to be okay with that. Imagine a world in which a self-determined woman or gay man just let society be and was successful irrespective of the language used by others. Freakin' nightmare...

RJB
04-26-2014, 02:40 PM
Whatever they are, they have poor weapons handling skills. STRAIGHT AND OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU INTEND TO FIRE. Maybe they do intend to fire :eek:

PaulConventionWV
04-26-2014, 02:42 PM
Whatever they are, they have poor weapons handling skills. STRAIGHT AND OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU INTEND TO FIRE.

To be fair, I only see one woman in that photo who has her finger firmly wrapped around that trigger.

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 02:42 PM
Probably all three.You and angie are reported to the Thought Police.

pcosmar
04-26-2014, 02:48 PM
Whatever they are, they have poor weapons handling skills. STRAIGHT AND OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU INTEND TO FIRE.

Cop training for defective guns.

I learned different.

pcosmar
04-26-2014, 02:49 PM
To be fair, I only see one woman in that photo who has her finger firmly wrapped around that trigger.

And the hammer was down.. (Not Cocked)

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 02:53 PM
Are they not human? Are they not persons?
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2014/Guns/women-with-guns-ryanlatta-flickr.jpg

Think carefully before you answer. :D
2/3 human for legal purposes. ;) :D

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 02:55 PM
2/3 human for legal purposes. ;) :D

Would you say that if you were standing in front of them?

William Tell
04-26-2014, 02:57 PM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755232/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1

Oh really? And the words gay and homosexual were not interchangeable until recently, but you support that right? :rolleyes:

William Tell
04-26-2014, 03:00 PM
You don't say Duke, you watch him.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn212/MakoSharkII/Just%20Stuff/JohnWayneRooster.jpg

phill4paul
04-26-2014, 03:06 PM
Would you say that if you were standing in front of them?

Hell, the founders did. Time to put womenz back in their place circa 1787.

specsaregood
04-26-2014, 03:15 PM
No, you don't say it because you're a chick.

I'm just glad they specified regardless of gender or sex.

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 03:31 PM
Would you say that if you were standing in front of them?
Only if I get to take their bullets first.

William Tell
04-26-2014, 03:35 PM
Only if I get to take their bullets first.

I ain't ascared of them, I don't think they would shoot me. If they would shoot a real man for no reason, they have problems.

Carson
04-26-2014, 03:41 PM
Reminds me of those targets of citizens that some government agency was suppose to of had made up... only free.

James Madison
04-26-2014, 03:44 PM
Okay, so I guess for "man up" I know have to use "human up."


Person up is also acceptable.

Some individuals do not view themselves as 'people'. This talk is offensive to those of us with Species Identity Disorder.

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 03:46 PM
Some individuals do not view themselves as 'people'. This talk is offensive to those of us with Species Identity Disorder.

Sorry, it's hard to keep up.....

William Tell
04-26-2014, 03:46 PM
Some individuals do not view themselves as 'people'. This talk is offensive to those of us with Species Identity Disorder.

Man up. :D

James Madison
04-26-2014, 03:53 PM
What unspeakable horror that people choose the words they say and other people simply react according to their own cultural bias. Imagine if people were simply allowed to walk around and NOT be offended by these words. Society would completely disintegrate! We would be saying bitchin' this and gay that and there would be nobody to tell us how using those words reinforces the caste system and how it's not okay to be okay with that. Imagine a world in which a self-determined woman or gay man just let society be and was successful irrespective of the language used by others. Freakin' nightmare...

If you say something, and there is no one around to be offended, is it offensive?

James Madison
04-26-2014, 03:54 PM
Sorry, it's hard to keep up.....

Anyone have the gingerbread man on file?

Edit: Found it.

http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1600-Genderbread-Person.jpg

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 04:02 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KhLIrMN_F4U/U1cvHs57yWI/AAAAAAAAoGU/rmY_aPuAQIc/s1600/1+977053_10202796869655388_1234994817_n.jpg

pcosmar
04-26-2014, 04:04 PM
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5489252864/hB24E3AD8/

Hey,, there is a FB page.

Association of Perpetually Offended People
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Perpetually-Offended-People/160462073965047

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/270223_248175645193689_8341220_n.jpg

HOLLYWOOD
04-26-2014, 04:28 PM
Whata Slow Bunch... I can't believe U Beatichez didn't include the glorious and quite androgynous Republican/GOP leader... John Boehner

I mean, everybody knows Boehner doesn't have any balls...

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/407616/JOHN-BOEHNER-CRYING.jpg

Origanalist
04-26-2014, 04:31 PM
Whata Slow Bunch... I can't believe U Beatichez didn't include the glorious and quite androgynous Republican/GOP leader... John Boehner

I mean, everybody knows Boehner doesn't have any balls...

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/407616/JOHN-BOEHNER-CRYING.jpg

Don't forget this classic;

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/mrjoenobody/Forum%20Pics/Animated/reverse-1272964790_glenn-beck-crying.gif

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 04:36 PM
Don't forget this classic;

http://i617.photobucket.com/albums/tt260/mrjoenobody/Forum%20Pics/Animated/reverse-1272964790_glenn-beck-crying.gif
A truly timeless classic. :cool:

JK/SEA
04-26-2014, 04:39 PM
my only comment would be to just do what you think is right.

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 04:40 PM
I ain't ascared of them, I don't think they would shoot me. If they would shoot a real man for no reason, they have problems.
Then you have great reason to worry. ;)

William Tell
04-26-2014, 04:52 PM
Then you have great reason to worry. ;)

Dang :( but the first one is a cutie pie! Holdin' her lil' Winchester :)


http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2014/Guns/women-with-guns-ryanlatta-flickr.jpg

Antischism
04-26-2014, 04:56 PM
I always cringe when people call things "gay" as if someone's sexual preference is a bad thing. I'm glad people are extinguishing it from their vocabulary when used in that context.

For something like the word "***" it always depends on the context and intent of use. If someone refers to homosexuals as "****," I immediately assume they don't have a positive opinion about homosexuality, since there are other words they could have used instead to refer to them. If it's being used in jest with friends, even gay friends who don't mind, I don't really see the problem.

I've always felt a little weird about the term "man up" personally, though I know I've used it here and there (I've since stopped). My thinking is that the term implies pulling yourself by the bootstraps in situations when you're down or building up courage is an exclusively male trait, whereas women are always weak and unable to do things without the help of a man, which is obviously false.

The word "bitch" is kind of in a gray area, though. It can be used in so many different ways and contexts that it sort of loses the original meaning which was to compare highly sexual women with dogs in heat. Today, "bitch" can be empowering for women, such as the "queen bitch" title given to certain female pop stars who command power and money. I feel like aside from that, it just has a sort of general meaning like run of the mill cuss words including "motherfucker" and "asshole." When specifically used to denigrate women in the way the term was originally meant to use, it's ugly, however. Exclusively referring to women as "bitches" while men are "pimps" also brings us back to this double standard where men are conquerors and locker room heroes when they can get in bed with multiple women, but women who have sex with multiple men are looked down upon. Sex is highly and negatively stigmatized for women.


All this being said, everyone can make up their minds about what they want to or don't want to say, obviously. You just have to realize that the words you speak can end up affecting someone else or end up making you come across as an ignorant person. I don't see anything wrong with the campaign; it's an effort to make people think about what they may be saying and how it may be affecting others and the perception they might have of you.

tod evans
04-26-2014, 05:15 PM
You just have to realize that the words you speak can end up affecting someone else or end up making you come across as an ignorant person.

Oh for Petes sake!

Ignorant? I seriously doubt it!

Un-programmed, un-indoctrinated possibly but certainly not ignorant, you must understand that not conforming doesn't equate to ignorant.

I happen to be one who could give a rats-ass who my speech offends.

Oversensitive ninnies are as big a blight on society as busybodies.

And if my use of slang or derogatory terms actually "affects" someone then too fucking bad, they've got more issues that I care about.

If you want to learn to adjust your speech so you don't offend various people then have a ball, I'll have no part of it.

cajuncocoa
04-26-2014, 05:27 PM
http://s29.postimg.org/uoww0rk87/10287096_10151969176800653_1221336673_n.jpg

This can be doubly-offensive.... since it's Mizz Scarlett from GWTW, it's also racist, I'm sure.

donnay
04-26-2014, 06:12 PM
http://www.s2c8.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/man-boob.jpg

He definitely needs a bra and No-No. Too much hair. :eek:

pcosmar
04-26-2014, 06:21 PM
since it's Mizz Scarlett from GWTW, it's also racist, I'm sure.

Only in public,, I'm sure. :p

Tywysog Cymru
04-26-2014, 06:22 PM
No, it has **** in it.


Some individuals do not view themselves as 'people'. This talk is offensive to those of us with Species Identity Disorder.

How about "organism up?"

William Tell
04-26-2014, 06:29 PM
How about "organism up?"

Why must you offend organ donors? :confused:

Tywysog Cymru
04-26-2014, 06:34 PM
Why must you offend organ donors? :confused:

"Being up?"

Carson
04-26-2014, 06:41 PM
When I don't say something, I don't say something...

damn!

HVACTech
04-26-2014, 06:42 PM
do you know why we put HVAC/R equipment up on roofs, let spiders get in there., and make them complicated and dangerous to work on?
to stop Women and children from stealing our jobs!!!

this has been a normal refrain from me for many years, when a guy bitches or hurts himself on a job.
one guy told me I should change it to "chickens and squirrels"

the sad truth is that women and children do not want our job dude.
get with the program!

William Tell
04-26-2014, 06:48 PM
"Being up?"

No, organ in organism :D

bunklocoempire
04-26-2014, 07:40 PM
Sticks and stones may break muh bones but names will never hurt muh.

Apparently I am some sort of super being... so act accordingly.

Root
04-26-2014, 08:16 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433473-The-Pussification-of-the-Western-Male

PaulConventionWV
04-26-2014, 09:00 PM
Only if I get to take their bullets first.

Oh, you'll take their bullets, alright.

PaulConventionWV
04-26-2014, 09:15 PM
I always cringe when people call things "gay" as if someone's sexual preference is a bad thing. I'm glad people are extinguishing it from their vocabulary when used in that context.

For something like the word "***" it always depends on the context and intent of use. If someone refers to homosexuals as "****," I immediately assume they don't have a positive opinion about homosexuality, since there are other words they could have used instead to refer to them. If it's being used in jest with friends, even gay friends who don't mind, I don't really see the problem.

I've always felt a little weird about the term "man up" personally, though I know I've used it here and there (I've since stopped). My thinking is that the term implies pulling yourself by the bootstraps in situations when you're down or building up courage is an exclusively male trait, whereas women are always weak and unable to do things without the help of a man, which is obviously false.

The word "bitch" is kind of in a gray area, though. It can be used in so many different ways and contexts that it sort of loses the original meaning which was to compare highly sexual women with dogs in heat. Today, "bitch" can be empowering for women, such as the "queen bitch" title given to certain female pop stars who command power and money. I feel like aside from that, it just has a sort of general meaning like run of the mill cuss words including "motherfucker" and "asshole." When specifically used to denigrate women in the way the term was originally meant to use, it's ugly, however. Exclusively referring to women as "bitches" while men are "pimps" also brings us back to this double standard where men are conquerors and locker room heroes when they can get in bed with multiple women, but women who have sex with multiple men are looked down upon. Sex is highly and negatively stigmatized for women.


All this being said, everyone can make up their minds about what they want to or don't want to say, obviously. You just have to realize that the words you speak can end up affecting someone else or end up making you come across as an ignorant person. I don't see anything wrong with the campaign; it's an effort to make people think about what they may be saying and how it may be affecting others and the perception they might have of you.

My beef is, why the big push to regulate what we say? Why not just let people say what they say and then choose your own reaction to it? Why are we trying to affect the words that come out of people's mouths? Trying to influence their actions makes sense, but trying to influence the words of others really doesn't make sense. It's not like people are just saying which words they prefer, people are actually out there campaigning against certain words, and it seems like that time would be better spent on action instead of a hissy fit over which words are used by the faceless mob known as "society." It might even make sense to tell someone a word offends you, but to do this whole outreach campaign to society makes no sense because what does changing how commonly a certain word is used really do to improve your situation, or the situation of anyone? The answer is nothing. Did MLK Jr start campaigns to abolish the word n****r from everyone's vocabulary, or did he focus on substantive ideas, rather than superficial words? The debate becomes meaningless when we start fighting over words rather than ideas.

PaulConventionWV
04-26-2014, 09:21 PM
How about "organism up?"

How dare you talk about my organ like that. I can get it up, it just takes a while.

HVACTech
04-26-2014, 09:24 PM
My beef is, why the big push to regulate what we say? Why not just let people say what they say and then choose your own reaction to it? Why are we trying to affect the words that come out of people's mouths? Trying to influence their actions makes sense, but trying to influence the words of others really doesn't make sense. It's not like people are just saying which words they prefer, people are actually out there campaigning against certain words, and it seems like that time would be better spent on action instead of a hissy fit over which words are used by the faceless mob known as "society." It might even make sense to tell someone a word offends you, but to do this whole outreach campaign to society makes no sense because what does changing how commonly a certain word is used really do to improve your situation, or the situation of anyone? The answer is nothing. Did MLK Jr start campaigns to abolish the word n****r from everyone's vocabulary, or did he focus on substantive ideas, rather than superficial words? The debate becomes meaningless when we start fighting over words rather than ideas.

that right there.

was a good post bro.

bump.

Antischism
04-26-2014, 09:50 PM
My beef is, why the big push to regulate what we say? Why not just let people say what they say and then choose your own reaction to it? Why are we trying to affect the words that come out of people's mouths? Trying to influence their actions makes sense, but trying to influence the words of others really doesn't make sense. It's not like people are just saying which words they prefer, people are actually out there campaigning against certain words, and it seems like that time would be better spent on action instead of a hissy fit over which words are used by the faceless mob known as "society." It might even make sense to tell someone a word offends you, but to do this whole outreach campaign to society makes no sense because what does changing how commonly a certain word is used really do to improve your situation, or the situation of anyone? The answer is nothing. Did MLK Jr start campaigns to abolish the word n****r from everyone's vocabulary, or did he focus on substantive ideas, rather than superficial words? The debate becomes meaningless when we start fighting over words rather than ideas.

I understand the point you're making, and it's not a bad point at all. I absolutely agree that this is bottom of the barrel stuff when it comes to priorities for the betterment of everyone. However, I think it's wrong state that the little things should be disregarded by everyone in favor of the bigger, more important issues. For one, if that were the case, no one would tackle any of the smaller issues, but that much is obvious. Whether or not you think it deserves to be taken on at all in this case is another story. Secondly, we have to know that there are people out there who aren't knowledgeable enough on the bigger issues or aren't aware of them, but do know enough or have enough of a problem with these smaller issues to want to do/say something about it. Or perhaps some of the people promoting this have been affected in some manner by people applying some of these words in a hateful way against them.

KingNothing
04-26-2014, 10:10 PM
These people need to stop being ******ity cunt dicks.

KingNothing
04-26-2014, 10:31 PM
Here's an awesome discussion on language, in which comedian Bill Burr discusses how context has been removed from words. Uber Progressive Liz Winstead takes offense to his statements:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xedLQwwzPE

Carlybee
04-26-2014, 10:31 PM
I say what I want. Libtards gonna tard.

Fox McCloud
04-26-2014, 10:35 PM
I always find it humorous that the hugely male-negative expression "that person is such a dick" never gets mentioned in these campaigns or mentioned by feminist groups as something we should also expunge from our collective vocabulary. If we're going to eliminate "bitch" and "man up" because they're biased or belittling, then expressions like "that's such a man thing" and "that person is being a total dick" are just as bad.

My personal take on it: context means everything, as does intent; if someone is using "gay", "***", etc as intentionally hateful, as opposed to a general insult, then yeah, I can see the problem with it, but using "gay" to be "stupid/lame", within that context, I don't personally understand the big deal. There's a good friend of mine, who's gay, who specifically uses both the terms "f.aggot" and "gay" in the 'negative' context without it being hateful. He intentionally uses these terms because he hates campaigns like this--his reasoning is ultimately they censor free speech and are an attempt to control people and their thoughts/feelings on subjects; if the word is being legitimately used hatefully, then criticize the person for being hateful, not the word itself....afterall, you can be just as hateful, ugly, and distasteful in a conversation without stating a single slur.

Also...as for this campaign and not using bitch because it suggests femaleness is negative...I have always understood to be a term more to describe a disagreeable, nasty, and mean woman....just as you hear the term "dick" being used to describe a disagreeable, nasty, and mean man. I mean really, do you think Ellen Ripley was disparaging femaleness when she states, to the queen Xenomorph "Get away from her, you bitch!" or disparaging the creature's traits (and being passively inclusive of the creature's gender)?

heavenlyboy34
04-26-2014, 11:07 PM
I always find it humorous that the hugely male-negative expression "that person is such a dick" never gets mentioned in these campaigns or mentioned by feminist groups as something we should also expunge from our collective vocabulary. If we're going to eliminate "bitch" and "man up" because they're biased or belittling, then expressions like "that's such a man thing" and "that person is being a total dick" are just as bad.

My personal take on it: context means everything, as does intent; if someone is using "gay", "***", etc as intentionally hateful, as opposed to a general insult, then yeah, I can see the problem with it, but using "gay" to be "stupid/lame", within that context, I don't personally understand the big deal. There's a good friend of mine, who's gay, who specifically uses both the terms "f.aggot" and "gay" in the 'negative' context without it being hateful, intentionally, because he hates campaigns like this--his reasoning is ultimately they censor free speech and are an attempt to control people and their thoughts/feelings on subjects; if the word is being legitimately used hatefully, then criticize the person for being hateful, not the word itself....afterall, you can be just as hateful, ugly, and distasteful in a conversation without stating a single slur.

Also...as for this campaign and not using bitch because it suggests femaleness is negative...I have always understood to be a term more to describe a disagreeable, nasty, and mean woman....just as you hear the term "dick" being used to describe a disagreeable, nasty, and mean man. I mean really, do you think Ellen Ripley was disparaging femaleness when she states, to the queen Xenomorph "Get away from her, you bitch!" or disparaging the creature's traits (and being passively inclusive of the creature's gender)?
Too much logic. This is why you don't get invited to feminist parties.

Anti Federalist
04-27-2014, 12:43 AM
Weak, vacillating and unsure...yeah no government would want a population of people like that.

It all sounds pretty ***** to me.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
04-27-2014, 03:35 AM
Check out some of the photos below:

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755228/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755237/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1755244/thumbs/o-YOU-DONT-SAY-570.jpg?1

More sensitivity at...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/duke-you-dont-say-campaign-photos_n_5199334.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063



Dipshits.


(Sorry, that's all I have without consulting a dictionary.)

Origanalist
04-27-2014, 07:05 AM
I always cringe when people call things "gay" as if someone's sexual preference is a bad thing. I'm glad people are extinguishing it from their vocabulary when used in that context.

For something like the word "***" it always depends on the context and intent of use. If someone refers to homosexuals as "****," I immediately assume they don't have a positive opinion about homosexuality, since there are other words they could have used instead to refer to them. If it's being used in jest with friends, even gay friends who don't mind, I don't really see the problem.

I've always felt a little weird about the term "man up" personally

I'm not surprised in the slightest.

Philhelm
04-27-2014, 07:12 AM
The people they choose for the pictures look like the non-manly type that would say such tripe.

There should have been a poster with a biker stating, "I don't say ***, because it is manlier to hurt people with pool cues and brass knuckles than with words."

Philhelm
04-27-2014, 07:17 AM
I don't say "pig" because it insists that law enforcement is inherently negative.

RJB
04-27-2014, 07:40 AM
Thinking it over this looks more like a government push than a liberal/progressive idea.

In my 20s I did the starving artist thing and went and participated in a lot of readings and poetry slams. At some of them you'd see some total progressive get up and just scream a bunch of obscenities that in no way resembled art. And a lot of times the more shrill and profane, the louder the cheers.

Kurt Vonnegut wrote something (I think it was Breakfast of Champions) about why black people would trounce whites in arguments. When a black person gets mad he'll say whatever is on his mind, grammer and syntax be damned. where a white person gets tripped up in a rant over the proper form of "be." That may have been more of the case in the 1960s. Nowadays most people (liberal/conservative, white/black) butcher the language.

Really, this whole campaign is just silly.

tod evans
04-27-2014, 07:42 AM
where a white person gets trip up in a rant over the proper form of "be."

To bee or not to Bea?

PaulConventionWV
04-27-2014, 08:51 AM
I understand the point you're making, and it's not a bad point at all. I absolutely agree that this is bottom of the barrel stuff when it comes to priorities for the betterment of everyone. However, I think it's wrong state that the little things should be disregarded by everyone in favor of the bigger, more important issues. For one, if that were the case, no one would tackle any of the smaller issues, but that much is obvious. Whether or not you think it deserves to be taken on at all in this case is another story. Secondly, we have to know that there are people out there who aren't knowledgeable enough on the bigger issues or aren't aware of them, but do know enough or have enough of a problem with these smaller issues to want to do/say something about it. Or perhaps some of the people promoting this have been affected in some manner by people applying some of these words in a hateful way against them.

But doesn't it make more sense to simply change your reaction to the words? As for me, nothing offends me. You could say that's because I have white privilege, but how much sense does it make to go around telling all of society to change their behavior rather than simply changing your own sensitivities? Shrug it off, don't get offended. Yes, you do have that choice.

When we have this big push about words, we eliminate all context. You could say it's about the underlying ideas, but then why do the words even matter? Can I not say it in private or just not say it to you? Well, guess what, people are going to say what they want, so what are you going to do when your little campaign doesn't work (not you, personally)?

Trying to mold society to suit your needs is the mark of an uber liberal who's completely lost touch with reality. In some circles, saying you're offended is automatically taken as satirical because of the absurdity of claiming offense to things that you can't control. In other, more liberal places--and I've actually seen this--claiming offense is a war cry. People claim offense like they're proud of it as if they were actually wronged somehow and are now advancing on the enemy position. Getting offended nowadays is just another way of saying, "You better adjust to my sensibilities or else", with the implication that you will be shunned from society in every way possible if you don't acquiesce and adapt to the libs' demands. That's the point. Their goal is to shun normality from society so that they can brainwash people into accepting them in every facet of their lives, and any words contrary to that end goal will be exposed and used as ammo to vilify anyone who opposes them.

Being easily offended just means you're insecure, and people who are insecure are easily swayed. It makes sense that public schools would aim to promote weakness and instability in people for the sake of government acceptance and the destruction of norms which often stand in the way of government intrusion. If you spend all your time trying to convince people to accommodate for your own weakness, all you've done is make yourself even weaker, more insecure, more vulnerable, and in the process, you've helped society to become a little more submissive and less likely to stand up for their god-given rights in this world of ever-changing moral standards.

This campaign is a pathetic excuse for a movement that claims to want freedom and justice but was actually created simply for the purpose of removing those ideas from every day life.

PaulConventionWV
04-27-2014, 09:27 AM
Another thing is that this campaign takes away from any actually meaningful progression toward justice or a fight for one's rights. It says to people, "It doesn't matter if I get my rights back, who f***ing cares, as long as you don't call me ***." Sure, you could do both, but why even try? It's like insisting that MLK Jr should have gone around telling people, "Don't call me n***er because it hurts my feelings." Do you think he would've been more successful if he had done that or less? It makes you insecure and constantly offended when you don't need to be simply because you're so focused on getting others to change their ways to suit you that you never even consider changing your own sensibilities and/or reactions to the behavior of others.

KingNothing
04-27-2014, 10:15 AM
Another thing is that this campaign takes away from any actually meaningful progression toward justice or a fight for one's rights. It says to people, "It doesn't matter if I get my rights back, who f***ing cares, as long as you don't call me ***." Sure, you could do both, but why even try? It's like insisting that MLK Jr should have gone around telling people, "Don't call me n***er because it hurts my feelings." Do you think he would've been more successful if he had done that or less? It makes you insecure and constantly offended when you don't need to be simply because you're so focused on getting others to change their ways to suit you that you never even consider changing your own sensibilities and/or reactions to the behavior of others.

This is the only good thing you've ever posted.

Well done.

Philhelm
04-27-2014, 12:48 PM
I always cringe when people call things "gay" as if someone's sexual preference is a bad thing. I'm glad people are extinguishing it from their vocabulary when used in that context.

For something like the word "***" it always depends on the context and intent of use. If someone refers to homosexuals as "****," I immediately assume they don't have a positive opinion about homosexuality, since there are other words they could have used instead to refer to them. If it's being used in jest with friends, even gay friends who don't mind, I don't really see the problem.

I've always felt a little weird about the term "man up" personally, though I know I've used it here and there (I've since stopped). My thinking is that the term implies pulling yourself by the bootstraps in situations when you're down or building up courage is an exclusively male trait, whereas women are always weak and unable to do things without the help of a man, which is obviously false.

The word "bitch" is kind of in a gray area, though. It can be used in so many different ways and contexts that it sort of loses the original meaning which was to compare highly sexual women with dogs in heat. Today, "bitch" can be empowering for women, such as the "queen bitch" title given to certain female pop stars who command power and money. I feel like aside from that, it just has a sort of general meaning like run of the mill cuss words including "motherfucker" and "asshole." When specifically used to denigrate women in the way the term was originally meant to use, it's ugly, however. Exclusively referring to women as "bitches" while men are "pimps" also brings us back to this double standard where men are conquerors and locker room heroes when they can get in bed with multiple women, but women who have sex with multiple men are looked down upon. Sex is highly and negatively stigmatized for women.


All this being said, everyone can make up their minds about what they want to or don't want to say, obviously. You just have to realize that the words you speak can end up affecting someone else or end up making you come across as an ignorant person. I don't see anything wrong with the campaign; it's an effort to make people think about what they may be saying and how it may be affecting others and the perception they might have of you.

Dude...man up.

NIU Students for Liberty
04-27-2014, 08:30 PM
Here's an awesome discussion on language, in which comedian Bill Burr discusses how context has been removed from words. Uber Progressive Liz Winstead takes offense to his statements:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xedLQwwzPE

The only show I enjoyed from Showtime.

mrsat_98
04-27-2014, 11:04 PM
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Man-Up-whydontcha.jpeg

PaulConventionWV
04-28-2014, 07:55 AM
This is the only good thing you've ever posted.

Well done.

A ringing endorsement...

TomtheTinker
04-28-2014, 10:56 AM
Man up you bitchezzzz

Anti-Neocon
04-28-2014, 12:59 PM
Think twice about what you say and you can create a more friendly environment. Nope, don't see the problem here. Guess I'm a libtard fggot.

ZENemy
04-28-2014, 01:08 PM
Nobody can offend you without YOUR consent.

PaulConventionWV
04-28-2014, 02:41 PM
Think twice about what you say and you can create a more friendly environment. Nope, don't see the problem here. Guess I'm a libtard fggot.

That's not the issue. I can control the way I speak, and I know when not to use those words, but you don't see me going around trying to control the way others speak. It's the controlling aspect that's the issue. People who actively campaign against words irrespective of the ideas behind them are engaging in an exercise in futility. What's more, they give the words power. If you choose not to be affected by words, then the words have no power, but if you choose to make them an issue, then you are giving them power. As an individual, I know how to be tactful, but I know I can't control how others speak, so I don't try. I simply alter my response to those people accordingly. What the campaign is implying is that you should be upset about these words, when really, the opposite strategy would be more effective. Alas, however, a strong and decisive populace, I suspect, is not their goal.