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Origanalist
04-24-2014, 08:18 PM
ILANA MERCER


A writer for The Atlantic has faulted Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who is in mutiny against the federal government, for his interpretation of states’ rights. No wonder. The progressive magazine’s scribe views states’ rights much as the Beltway-based lite libertarian would – he thinks that the division of powers between state governments and the federal government has left the states in charge of pot, poker and porn. The proper expression of “genuine states’ rights,” opines the Atlantic, is passing “permissive laws on divorce, gambling and prostitution,” “abortion and same-sex marriage.”

I guess cleaving to a somewhat frivolous notion of states’ rights is better than framing a conflict that has roiled the country as no more than a local skirmish. The last bit of casuistry belongs to the Washington Post.



Farmer Bundy is no lifestyle libertarian; he’s a hardcore libertarian – a libertarian who rejects federal authority over state land and does not recognize the federal government. Bundy faced down the goons from the federal Bureau of Land Management. They had come to steal his livestock, in lieu of back taxes the BLM claims the rancher owes it since 1993, which was when Bundy stopped paying grazing fees.

The Bundys of Bunkerville, Nevada, had homesteaded the disputed land, southwest of Mesquite, in 1877. Bundy’s forefathers had lived off the land well before the Bureau of Land Grabs came into being. The feds subsequently passed laws usurping Bundy’s natural right to graze his cattle. The elderly rancher offered the following rejoinder: “‘I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have pre-emptive rights, among them the right to forage.”

Both sides side with the state, and against the natural law

“Everybody else is paying their grazing fees,” intoned Democratic strategist Donna Brazile. “He should pay his fees as well.” With some variation, that’s the standard line from both political factions. However, from the fact that “everybody else” is paying the mafia for fear of being kneecapped – it doesn’t necessarily follow that “everybody” should fork over shakedown fees.

For their part, conservatives have not disputed the state’s case; they’ve merely argued an excessive use of force by the federal government. Fox News’ Britt Hume cringed when questioned about Bundy, whose disobedience he vehemently denounced. The feds have the law on their side, pondered anchor Megyn Kelly. How could they have gone so wrong while being so “right”? So too was the libertarian-leaning Tucker Carlson adamant that the Bundys didn’t have a legal leg to stand on. The woefully misguided Mr. Carlson purported to alert dissenters to “the essence of private property” and the principles that “undergird conservatism.” “This land does not belong to [the Bundys],” he asserted. Let Bundy buy his own.

Lectured Bill O’Reilly: “The government has a right to put a lien on Bundy’s property.” Correction: Government has the power to put a lien on Bundy’s property. Whether it has the right to so do is far from established.

And therein lies the rub: The government has a monopoly over making and enforcing law – it decides what is legal and what isn’t. Thus it behooves thinking people to question the monopolist and his laws. After all, cautioned the great Southern constitutional scholar James McClellan, “What is legally just, may not be what is naturally just.” “Statutory man-made law” is not necessarily just law.

Naturally, and without knowing it, Bundy speaks the language of natural law. His case against the federal occupier, moreover, cannot stand or be understood without reference to a free man’s natural, unassailable right to own himself and that which sustains his life, free of unprovoked aggression.

No such thing as ‘government grass’

Unlike the positive law, which is state-created; natural law in not enacted. Rather, it is a higher law – a system of ethics – knowable through reason, revelation and experience. “By natural law,” propounded McClellan in “Liberty, Order, And Justice,” “we mean those principles which are inherent in man’s nature as a rational, moral, and social being, and which cannot be casually ignored.”

Tamara Holder, another Democrat, grasps the natural law not at all. “Can I go into your house and steal stuff; can I trespass onto your land?” she hollered at Sean Hannity. Holder, of course, was implying that the disputed land belonged to the state and was as good as the government’s house.

In siding with the heroic homesteader against the BLM, Mr. Hannity’s heart is in the right place. He and Fox News colleague Greta Van Susteren probably staved off a Waco-style massacre in Bunkerville. When the militarized BLM, SWAT teams and all, trained sights on the Bundy family and their supporters, the two turned the cameras on the aggressors, who then retreated.

In the course of butting against buttheads like Holder, however, Mr. Hannity has refused to engage his head. (The anchor, moreover, is performing no public service when he gives this and other prototypical TV tarts a platform from which to spread ignorance.) Ms. Holder: The government doesn’t have a house. There is no such thing as “government grass”! Not in natural law. Government cannot morally claim to own “public property,” explain Linda and Morris Tannehill, in “The Market For Liberty.” “Government doesn’t produce anything. Whatever it has, it has as a result of expropriation. It is no more correct to call the expropriated wealth in government’s possession property than it is to say that a thief rightfully owns the loot he has stolen.”

Then there is the matter of logic. “The public” is an abstraction. In logic, an abstraction cannot possess property. To borrow from libertarian political philosopher Murray Rothbard, “There is no existing entity called ‘society’ – there are only interacting individuals.” To say that “society” should own property in common is essentially to say that “government bureaucrats” should own property, in our case, at the expense of the dispossessed homesteader.

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DamianTV
04-24-2014, 08:59 PM
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HVACTech
04-24-2014, 09:15 PM
it is range land.

and I agree. his family, tortoises and cows. have lived there harmoniously.

they earned it.

heavenlyboy34
04-24-2014, 09:34 PM
Interesting how minarchists/constitutionalists are more and more borrowing logic and arguments from Natural Rights anarcho-capitalists. Perhaps they will soon admit the failure of Constitutionalism? :eek: :)

HVACTech
04-24-2014, 09:42 PM
Interesting how minarchists/constitutionalists are more and more borrowing logic and arguments from Natural Rights anarcho-capitalists. Perhaps they will soon admit the failure of Constitutionalism? :eek: :)

the constitution did not fail the people.

the people failed the constitution.

or did you miss something?
peace.

AuH20
04-24-2014, 09:48 PM
Interesting how minarchists/constitutionalists are more and more borrowing logic and arguments from Natural Rights anarcho-capitalists. Perhaps they will soon admit the failure of Constitutionalism? :eek: :)

It wasn't the Constitution's fault that some hacks invented the concept of judicial review.

heavenlyboy34
04-24-2014, 09:54 PM
the constitution did not fail the people.

the people failed the constitution.

or did you miss something?
peace.This implies that some abstraction called "the people" are responsible for the Constitution. That defies the logic of Federalism-the representatives are supposed to do that. Read it for yourself, comrade. Not even the most hardcore republicans would've signed the Constitution if it worked as you claim.

heavenlyboy34
04-24-2014, 09:55 PM
It wasn't the Constitution's fault that some hacks invented the concept of judicial review.
The Constitution did not/does not provide a mechanism, legal or otherwise, to prevent or reverse that. So yes, that is a failure of teh document. Please review this thread from earlier toady: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?450439-Our-oligarchs-can-thank-James-Madison-(article)&p=5503472#post5503472

Feeding the Abscess
04-24-2014, 11:43 PM
Bundy made remarks about immigrants coming here illegally and in defiance of the constitution. He's not an anarchist, and clearly recognizes and supports at least that function of the federal government. I'm willing to bet there's more.

Sonny Tufts
04-25-2014, 12:43 PM
Farmer Bundy is no lifestyle libertarian; he’s a hardcore libertarian – a libertarian who rejects federal authority over state land and does not recognize the federal government.

But he recognizes the state government, so how can he be a hardcore libertarian?


The elderly rancher offered the following rejoinder: “‘I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life.

See above.


Then there is the matter of logic. “The public” is an abstraction. In logic, an abstraction cannot possess property.

Of course it can; it all depends on what premise you assume. In law, all kinds of abstractions can own property, including corporations and estates.