FDA:"Right now it's like the wild, wild west in terms of what people are doing"

[aGameOfThrones]

Proposals to officially regulate electronic cigarettes will be announced later today by the Food and Drug Administration, according to the WSJ. The regulations would include a ban on sales to minors and a requirement for health warning labels on packaging. E-cigarettes contain nicotine liquid, which is derived from tobacco -- and that's where the FDA comes in.

"Right now it's like the wild, wild west in terms of what people are doing.."


Importantly, makers would not be allowed to state that e-cigarettes are safer than other tobacco products ( manufacturers need to provide scientific evidence to prove these claims), nor use descriptive language like "light" or "mild" to describe goods. Companies will also be required to submit a "pre-market review application" within two years, although products will be allowed to stay on the market as long as the application is filed. Outlines will also restrict marketing on TV and any efforts to appeal to anyone under 18, although they won't immediately ban the wealth of flavored e-cigarettes that have recently flourished. FDA Commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told ABC News: "Right now it's like the wild, wild west in terms of what people are doing, the products are evolving with no regulatory oversight and being marketed in ways that are very worrisome." The full list of regulations will be posted online by the FDA at 9am today.


http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/24/fda-e-cigarette-regulations/

[unknown]

"Right now it's like the wild, wild west in terms of what people are doing.."

People are exercising all kinds of freedom. It must be stopped.

[Origanalist]

Those ecigs need government condoms. It's for the children.

[Suzanimal]

"Right now it's like the wild, wild west in terms of what people are doing, the products are evolving with no regulatory oversight and being marketed in ways that are very worrisome."

I was beside myself with worry.


The full list of regulations will be posted online by the FDA at 9am today.

Whew, I feel better now.:rolleyes:


assholes

[phill4paul]

Wild, wild west.........

http://fabiusmaximus.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/20130125-dodge-guns.jpg

[tod evans]

Wild, wild west.........


A person could go into the general store and purchase cocaine or tincture of opium, children could purchase weapons and ammunition, even dynamite...

People settled matters without lawyers and courts...

What I'd give for a return to those "horrible" days...:o

[donnay]

"Right now it's like the wild, wild west in terms of what people are doing, the products are evolving with no regulatory oversight and being marketed in ways that are very worrisome."

See I wasn't worried before, but now I'm worried knowing government is going to have oversight over this market. Anything the government has their hands on turns to crap. They are like a jinx to business ventures.

[CCTelander]

No freedom of any kind can be tolerated. For the children.

[Henry Rogue]

We don't need no stinking legislation, we'll just make regulations.

[JK/SEA]

dammit, we need more safety regulations. Why don't they do something about glass containers. I cut myself the other day on a ketchup bottle i dropped, and now i have to wear this effin band-aid.

[donnay]

dammit, we need more safety regulations. Why don't they do something about glass containers. I cut myself the other day on a ketchup bottle i dropped, and now i have to wear this effin band-aid.

How do you know, you might have thought you cut yourself. After all ketchup looks a lot like blood. We should send you to a psychiatrist you may need some anxiety pills. <s>

[oyarde]

Wild, wild west.........

http://fabiusmaximus.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/20130125-dodge-guns.jpg
Not sure what a prickly ash bitter is , but I will pass .

[Henry Rogue]

Not sure what a prickly ash bitter is , but I will pass .
Toilet paper?

[tod evans]

Toilet paper?

I always wondered what the name was for the 80 grit they issued in bootcamp.....

[Christopher A. Brown]

A person could go into the general store and purchase cocaine or tincture of opium, children could purchase weapons and ammunition, even dynamite...

People settled matters without lawyers and courts...

What I'd give for a return to those "horrible" days...:o

Just because lawyers and courts are so disgusting today.

But would you agree upon constitutional intent to create unity with other Americans that can enforce the constitution upon courts so lawyers are not needed?

[Danke]

Not sure what a prickly ash bitter is , but I will pass .

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR47-3dFYLgyxcqxeQ4zKY2ga02ioddjnJvZN6KL0yTQ7OKKlRzwA


Prickly Ash Bitters was known as early as the 1880's, when a picture of Dodge City featured a signpost that had a crude sign saying "Drink Prickly Ash Bitters." This raises the question of how much alcohol was in the product, and how often it was used recreationally rather than medicinally. But then, that is true of many of the Nineteenth Century proprietary medicines.

From The Choctaw Plaindealer, Ackerman, MS, Nov 30, 1888: "Prickly Ash Bitters. One of the most important organs of the human body is the liver. Wehn (sic) it fails to properly perform its function the entire system becomes deranged.... Dyspepsia, constipation, rheumatism, kidney disease, etc are the results unless something is done to assist Nature in throwing off the impurities caused by inaction of a torpid liver. This assistance so necessary will be found in Prickly Ash Bitters! Prickly Ash Bitters Co, St Louis, MO."

From The Green Forest Tribune (Arkansas) Thursday December 28 1899: "Purify the sewers of the body and stimulate the digestive organs to maintain health, strength and energy. Prickly Ash Bitters is a tonic for the kidneys, liver, stomach and bowels. Sold by Harbert & Sheldon."

One type of Prickly Ash Bitters handstamp cancel has been identified on battleship revenues.

more: http://www.rdhinstl.com/mm/rs381yyy.htm

[TomtheTinker]

It's getting out of control folks. Pure anarchy the streets are on fire, Rome is burning, cats are mooing and cows are roaring, the madness must be stopped!!!!!


I hate these people, is there any place were society could just please move on with out them??

[tod evans]

Just because lawyers and courts are so disgusting today.

But would you agree upon constitutional intent to create unity with other Americans that can enforce the constitution upon courts so lawyers are not needed?

Try phrasing this in layman's terms so I'm not questioning your query please..

[jbauer]

Oh come on. This has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with taxation.

[NO_GMOs]

USDA, FDA, and EPA, are like the three stooges, Moe, Larry, and Curly. You can give them intelligent information to act on, but they most likely will do some thing totally stupid.

It's common knowledge there decisions are more political than based on science, they have scientists on the payroll but ether ignore them or just don't understand basic science.

I read one of there bee safety test they approved from Bayer, they should have been laughed off the planet for such stupidity.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

"Right now it's like the wild, wild west in terms of what people are doing."



And?

[oyarde]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR47-3dFYLgyxcqxeQ4zKY2ga02ioddjnJvZN6KL0yTQ7OKKlRzwA


Prickly Ash Bitters was known as early as the 1880's, when a picture of Dodge City featured a signpost that had a crude sign saying "Drink Prickly Ash Bitters." This raises the question of how much alcohol was in the product, and how often it was used recreationally rather than medicinally. But then, that is true of many of the Nineteenth Century proprietary medicines.

From The Choctaw Plaindealer, Ackerman, MS, Nov 30, 1888: "Prickly Ash Bitters. One of the most important organs of the human body is the liver. Wehn (sic) it fails to properly perform its function the entire system becomes deranged.... Dyspepsia, constipation, rheumatism, kidney disease, etc are the results unless something is done to assist Nature in throwing off the impurities caused by inaction of a torpid liver. This assistance so necessary will be found in Prickly Ash Bitters! Prickly Ash Bitters Co, St Louis, MO."

From The Green Forest Tribune (Arkansas) Thursday December 28 1899: "Purify the sewers of the body and stimulate the digestive organs to maintain health, strength and energy. Prickly Ash Bitters is a tonic for the kidneys, liver, stomach and bowels. Sold by Harbert & Sheldon."

One type of Prickly Ash Bitters handstamp cancel has been identified on battleship revenues.

more: http://www.rdhinstl.com/mm/rs381yyy.htm Well , guess I better try it , what with the rhuematism and all ....

[oyarde]

I bought one of these electric smokes a few moths ago .I have not tried it yet .The company I bought it from has sent me some free refills.Eat that FDA.

[TonySutton]

wild wild west = great for the economy and personal freedom

sounds like a wonderful thing!

[Pericles]

I'd take the wild wild west over what we now have any day of the week.

[Cabal]

"Oh noes, people are doing things without our approval, this is madness!"

Madness?

http://i.imgur.com/vtWB2bt.gif

[otherone]

"Right now it's like the wild, wild west in terms of what people are doing.."



https://crayfisher.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/hyperbole.jpg

[JK/SEA]

wild wild west?....the TV show or movie?...

[UtahApocalypse]

Wonder how many intermediaries the payments from the big tobacco industry through before reaching the FDA wallets.

[Lucille]

They always say that like it's a bad thing.


wild wild west?....the TV show or movie?...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W67H4k-Asf8

I feel that way every time I go to a GOP meeting.

[Lucille]

BTW, the county neo-Puritans here are banning their public use at the urging of the county "health" department which is relying on no science at all, and both are urging towns to do the same. It was fun while it lasted.

Coconino County to add electronic cigarettes to existing smoking ban
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/coconino-county-to-add-electronic-cigarettes-to-existing-smoking-ban/article_9ca88c06-bd5d-11e3-8303-0019bb2963f4.html

Progressive Puritans Still Criminalizing Fun
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449652-Progressive-Puritans-Still-Criminalizing-Fun

[MRK]

Unbelievable, yet tragically reality.

It's time yet.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Coconino County to add electronic cigarettes to existing smoking ban
http://azdailysun.com/news/local/coconino-county-to-add-electronic-cigarettes-to-existing-smoking-ban/article_9ca88c06-bd5d-11e3-8303-0019bb2963f4.html

From the article:

"LONG-TERM STUDIES SCARCE
No long-term studies have been done on the burgeoning device. And the results so far on human health are muddled by a lack of comprehensive research and by industry-funded studies."

I'll pick this apart piece by piece. No long term studies? Here's one. (http://www.uel.ac.uk/psychology/newsandevents/forthcomingevents/e-cigarettepubliclecture/) The results are "muddled" by "a lack of comprehensive research." Yup, because results that don't fit your worldview can really "muddle" things. And finally, industry funded studies are always and in all cases suspect? Right, automakers don't design their vehicles to survive crashes, perform at predetermined levels, and achieve certain levels of efficiency, for example? They don't arrive at their calculations by "industry funded studies," do they?

I'm too pissed off to continue.

[heavenlyboy34]

That's "anarchy"? pssh. :rolleyes: For example...In my day, we rode bikes outside without helmets just for lolz. We even used ramps and such to do jumps. You kids don't know anarchy, I assure you.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Great comment from the peanut gallery in the article Lucille posted:

Why are makers not allowed to claim they are safer? You aren't burning anything. You are vaporizing a solution of vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, and pure nicotine extract that is diluted in PG and/or VG. Last time I checked, most inhalers and inhalation devices used either PG or VG as a carrier for medications. So because it has nicotine in it, suddenly there is something unsafe now? Let's compare that to the thousands of chemicals allowed into tobacco cigarettes, not to mention lighting it on fire and inhaling smoke. But ecigs can't be labeled as safer?
At some point, people have to wonder exactly who the FDA is serving? The American people and their true safety, or are they serving their own pockets with tax money?

No kidding. I could have said this earlier and been done with this nonsense, but I have this undeniable aversion to bullshit, which is what we get from this self serving, unaccountable, out of control government that no longer serves any of us; including the dipshit go-along-to-get-along types AND the puritanical authoritarian nanny state types who couldn't wipe their own ass if even if it meant peace in the middle east.

[NorfolkPCSolutions]

Do I have any friends from here over at http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ ?

[Fox McCloud]

As someone recently brought up; the crusade against e-cigs may be for tax reasons. The US government makes $1.01 for every pack of cigarettes sold--as pointed out by economists eons ago, it's kinda perverse that SCHIP is funded by cigarette taxes because it ultimately builds an incentive for the US government to continue to have people smoking...for tax purposes.

States also tend to make $1+ off of each pack sold.....e-cigs pretty much completely evade this since they're not technically cigarettes and nicotine is more or less a non-harmful substance in most cases (the reason smoking causes cancer is from the actual smoke and other chemicals and NOT the nicotine). The only real risk is dependency.

So, while I'm sure there is legitimate concern over the lack of regulation on the government's behalf, I can't help but wonder if "where will we get our revenue to replace this?!" factors in, too...especially when it's projected that e-cig sales will surpass regular cigarette sales in the next 10 years.

If/when e-cigs finally win their battle, expect the government to start taxing them, as well (though it'll be interesting to see the excuses they come up with when the cancer risk is non-existent with e-cigs, and therefore the "societal cost"). I'm sure they'll think of something.

[MRK]

You can buy cigarettes in some countries for 0.20$ a pack, even today. Cartons for less than $2. In those countries even Winston/LM/Marlboros can be bought for $5 a carton.

What I'm pointing out is that government is making way more than $1 per pack at the state and national level when you consider the additional business taxes and regulatory compliance costs that inflate the entire industry's prices.

[fr33]

From what I understand these regulations will likely cripple or shutdown the smaller businesses who make nicotine-juice. I'm sure the Big Tobacco owned companies like NJoy, Blu, and Greensmoke will do just fine.

[tod evans]

The power of the media...

Just a couple hundred years ago a bunch of rabble-rousers kicked the king and his army out for taxing tea...

Now the descendants of those rabble-rousers beg and plead for more taxation....

[otherone]

From what I understand these regulations will likely cripple or shutdown the smaller businesses who make nicotine-juice. I'm sure the Big Tobacco owned companies like NJoy, Blu, and Greensmoke will do just fine.

Really? Regulations that favor the big boys and crush the competition? Not in America, comrade.

[Lucille]

FDA Will Help Create E-Cig Cartels (http://www.strike-the-root.com/)


Original article (http://mises.org/daily/6743/Should-ECig-Manufacturers-Love-the-FDA) Some e-cig companies think new FDA regs are great. Smaller or less-established firms, however, may be less enthusiastic. Regulations are great for the big firms because restricting e-cig sales will likely force some competitors out of the industry, allowing the remaining ones to gain some cartel power.

Also here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?430832-FDA-seeks-to-destroy-small-e-cig-businesses-hand-market-to-Big-Tobacco-drive-up-costs&p=5521789&viewfull=1#post5521789).

[muh_roads]

Wild, wild west.........

http://fabiusmaximus.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/20130125-dodge-guns.jpg

I bet that town got robbed a lot.