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Boshembechle
04-21-2014, 09:16 PM
1) The current system sucks as there really isn't any competition between the state and private entities. I do not support the state monopoly over education, especially in the inner cities. Also, teacher unions are some of the most depsicable institutions in America.

2) At the same time, a libertarian utopia would be terrifying in eduction. How the hell could poor parents afford it?

oyarde
04-22-2014, 12:15 AM
I feel that demanding every beer be at least a pint is as reasonable ( and ridiculous) as tax funded education. My theory is more proven as well :) , I learned more cutting school, working ,reading ,drinking , fishing , trapping , poaching , hunting , than a kid will today .

Boshembechle
04-22-2014, 12:34 AM
I feel that demanding every beer be at least a pint is as reasonable ( and ridiculous) as tax funded education. My theory is more proven as well :) , I learned more cutting school, working ,reading ,drinking , fishing , trapping , poaching , hunting , than a kid will today .Maybe, but most scholars and historians agree that the root of the american middle class is the public school

oyarde
04-22-2014, 12:38 AM
Maybe, but most scholars and historians agree that the root of the american middle class is the public school

Well , I am a scholar and historian and I do not know any above median income people in my area who ever finished public schools under the age of , oh 80'ish or so.

Cleaner44
04-22-2014, 01:00 AM
Maybe, but most scholars and historians agree that the root of the american middle class is the public school

Most scholars also agree that Obama and Bush were right to bail out Wall St banks... but they they are wrong about that too.

The fact is that the public education system in America today is a complete embarrassment. If we didn't all have to pay roughly 1/3 of our money in taxes to support the Obama war machine, we would all have much more money left to educate our children with. Education doesn't need to be nearly as expensive as it it today. We can have a cell phone that is more powerful than a 1974 NASA computer for a $300, but 1 year of poor education for a 8 year old costs over $10,000!

The government is the reason that costs go up. They are not the solution.

fr33
04-22-2014, 01:28 AM
You are asking the wrong questions...

What does an individual need to learn? And why do they need to learn it? Forget the "how do they learn it". That comes after the individual answers the first questions.

Unless you are telling me that now everyone needs to have a PHD under the current system, you are probably willing to admit that education is based upon what one needs to know in order to live. Any education beyond that is a luxury and we should all aspire and work towards such luxuries. That does not mean that an education requires organized schooling.

Danke
04-22-2014, 02:13 AM
Maybe, but most scholars and historians agree that the root of the american middle class is the public school

Are these the same scholars and historians that availed themselves to our American "education" system?

acptulsa
04-22-2014, 02:19 AM
OK. Let's compromise.

Let us get rid of the federal Department of Education, so your local school districts have a fighting chance at not sucking out loud, and we'll let your county run all the public schools it wants to run.

After all, there was no federal Department of Education until 1980, and up to that time some localities had schools in the top rankings worldwide. Since that time all U.S. public schools have all been dragged down to the level of the worst--and maybe the worst have gotten even worse.

If that's the best Washington can do, then get Washington out of the game. Bench 'em.

No one here will object too much to your county running public schools. Some won't like it, but they'll obey the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

erowe1
04-22-2014, 06:35 AM
2) At the same time, a libertarian utopia would be terrifying in eduction. How the hell could poor parents afford it?

First of all, what's there to afford? The only true cost of learning is the exertion of the effort of doing it.

Second of all, let's say you're talking about paying money to attend some school or some such thing (who knows what educational services would exist in a free market?), then people who want to use their money to help poor kids afford these things would be free to commit their money to that cause.

euphemia
04-22-2014, 11:04 AM
2) At the same time, a libertarian utopia would be terrifying in eduction. How the hell could poor parents afford it?

Get creative. We supported three people and several pets pretty well in an urban area. We home schooled. It's interesting how far a library card can go.

Boshembechle
04-22-2014, 12:51 PM
A library card?? Socialism!!

nayjevin
04-22-2014, 12:54 PM
It's interesting how far a library card can go.



And Google!

acptulsa
04-22-2014, 12:56 PM
A library card?? Socialism!!

A private library can't issue cards?

Have we got our head so far up the government's ass we think no one else can do stuff anyone can do and anyone but the government can do better, or are we just reaching for something obnoxious to type?

angelatc
04-22-2014, 02:53 PM
1) The current system sucks as there really isn't any competition between the state and private entities. I do not support the state monopoly over education, especially in the inner cities. Also, teacher unions are some of the most depsicable institutions in America.

2) At the same time, a libertarian utopia would be terrifying in eduction. How the hell could poor parents afford it?

Let's meet in the middle and go with a voucher system.

William Tell
04-22-2014, 03:24 PM
Public Education is the 10th plank of the Communist Manifesto:

10 Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto#II._Proletarians_and_Commu nists

Cabal
04-22-2014, 03:51 PM
A library card?? Socialism!!

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tttppp
04-22-2014, 04:18 PM
Privatize education allowing them to put schools online and reduce costs. Follow a college model where kids do not need to be lectured at 24/7.

PierzStyx
04-22-2014, 04:44 PM
1) The current system sucks as there really isn't any competition between the state and private entities. I do not support the state monopoly over education, especially in the inner cities. Also, teacher unions are some of the most depsicable institutions in America.

2) At the same time, a libertarian utopia would be terrifying in eduction. How the hell could poor parents afford it?


There would be cheap education out of necessity and demand. There would be a place for education companies to make money so they would tailor to those kids. The reason education is so ungodly high right now is state monopoly, government monetary intervention ensure funds and thus a "floor" for costs to start at that is artificially high, price fixing form the Fed, monetary devaluation, and inflation. Its all tied together my friend. This is why you can't have just a "little" socialism and be okay.

euphemia
04-22-2014, 08:21 PM
OP believes in socialism. He thinks we should pay for his son to have a private education, but can't figure out how to educate the child inexpensively and self-reliantly.

thequietkid10
04-23-2014, 10:05 PM
In a "libertarian utopia" teachers won't be required to have seven years of secondary education like many states do today.

Origanalist
04-23-2014, 10:12 PM
OP believes in socialism. He thinks we should pay for his son to have a private education, but can't figure out how to educate the child inexpensively and self-reliantly.

It takes a village.

fisharmor
04-23-2014, 10:16 PM
One of my favorite work stories was when I was teaching some junior analysts the basics of interest calculation.
After I got done with my impromptu presentation, one of them asked me whether I ever considered being a teacher.
I blinked a few times, and incredulously asked, "What makes you think I'm not?"

And the funniest part is that interest calculation is something I only learned the absolute basics of in school (it's quite a bit more complicated than P=IR), but after self study on the issue I'm the go-to guy to find out whether it's been calculating properly in software.

oyarde
04-23-2014, 10:54 PM
OP believes in socialism. He thinks we should pay for his son to have a private education, but can't figure out how to educate the child inexpensively and self-reliantly.
I am not convinced that he believes in anything, I still hope to save his soul and wrestle it from the godless , evil , hellbound path of socialism and communism.Going to be too crowded down there once he claims all of the thieves.LOL

oyarde
04-24-2014, 12:44 AM
Formal education , is something I had basically written off by the third grade , by then I had been able to read for 3 or four yrs and was reading history novels, had access to family libraries and eager teachers in my Father , Grandparents , older sister etc, :) most importantly , I already knew how to grow crops and could shoot a rabbit or duck while moving with a bow.

56ktarget
05-01-2014, 12:57 AM
Why do countries that have robust public education systems, like Korea, Japan, Finland, and China, rank higher than the U.S. in math/reading/science tests?

oyarde
05-01-2014, 01:00 AM
Why do countries that have robust public education systems, like Korea, Japan, Finland, and China, rank higher than the U.S. in math/reading/science tests?
Why is a carrot more orange than an orange ?

eduardo89
05-01-2014, 06:37 AM
2) At the same time, a libertarian utopia would be terrifying in eduction. How the hell could poor parents afford it?

Because it would be far cheaper than the "free" schools we have today.

erowe1
05-01-2014, 08:08 AM
Why do countries that have robust public education systems, like Korea, Japan, Finland, and China, rank higher than the U.S. in math/reading/science tests?

The US spends more on education than those countries, not less.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-education-spending-tops-global-list-study-shows/

So turn your question around.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-01-2014, 03:19 PM
2) At the same time, a libertarian utopia would be terrifying in eduction.



"Help me Auntie Emm. I'm so frightened!"

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