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max
11-30-2007, 09:04 PM
What a sanctimonius creep! Where the hell does the Federal government get the authority to tell states they must ban smoking in bars and restaurants??

If Clinton had proposed something like this, the "conservatives" would be screaming that she's a communist tyrant..

I'm beginning to hate this smooth talking televangelist faker as much as I hate Rudy

http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/08/30/huckabee-commits-to-nationwide-smoking-ban/

werdd
11-30-2007, 09:07 PM
I hate this guy, seriously... exactly what the hell is conservative about imposing a federal ban on smoking.

Hurricane Bruiser
11-30-2007, 09:10 PM
He's a moral crusader and has no respect for the Constitution.

Thomas Paine
11-30-2007, 09:11 PM
Hucklebee detracts from the sum knowledge of mankind every time he opens his mouth.

OptionsTrader
11-30-2007, 09:11 PM
He's a moral crusader and has no respect for the Constitution.
Indeed. Reminds me of this guy on a ballot once in 2000 and again in 2004. Hmm, I think his middle initial was W.

robert4rp08
11-30-2007, 09:15 PM
maybe god told him to do it

JosephTheLibertarian
11-30-2007, 09:18 PM
What a sanctimonius creep! Where the hell does the Federal government get the authority to tell states they must ban smoking in bars and restaurants??

If Clinton had proposed something like this, the "conservatives" would be screaming that she's a communist tyrant..

I'm beginning to hate this smooth talking televangelist faker as much as I hate Rudy

http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/08/30/huckabee-commits-to-nationwide-smoking-ban/

this is where we attack. Like smoking cigars? You will get arrested if you do so under a Huckabee administration!

Jimmy
11-30-2007, 09:19 PM
Land of the FREE!! What is wrong with this guy :mad:

max
11-30-2007, 09:20 PM
this is where we attack. Like smoing cigars? You will get arrested if you do so under a Huckabee administration!

good idea...


hit the bars in restaurants of middle america and dixie with this

Jodi
11-30-2007, 09:20 PM
My Mom called me night before last so mad she could hardly talk. She was upset because the huckster is emulating Ron Paul more and more. She said "Mark my words...one or more of the others will start talking about bringing our troops home." But seriously it appears to me that the huckster does hang on every word Ron Paul says.

singapore_sling
11-30-2007, 09:21 PM
Hmm I actually think that public smoking should be banned and here's why. It infringes upon my having a clean and healthy environment. Smoking in public affects not just the smoker but those that are unwillingly subjected to their smoke. Therefore public smoking actually harms my freedom because I am forced to be subjected to the second hand smoke that is harmful to my body. Although, banning smoking in bars and restaurants should be up to private establishments. Those that have smoke free environments should probably advertise this fact.

max
11-30-2007, 09:23 PM
Hucksterbee reminds me of that character from the Music Man...

"We got trouble...here in River City" what was that character's name?

JosephTheLibertarian
11-30-2007, 09:23 PM
Hmm I actually think that public smoking should be banned and here's why. It infringes upon my having a clean and healthy environment. Smoking in public affects not just the smoker but those that are unwillingly subjected to their smoke. Therefore public smoking actually harms my freedom because I am forced to be subjected to the second hand smoke that is harmful to my body. Although, banning smoking in bars and restaurants should be up to private establishments. Those that have smoke free environments should probably advertise this fact.

lol. I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just going to laugh at you.

dircha
11-30-2007, 09:23 PM
Keep this alive and out there! I have turned several people off of Huckabee through this bit of trivia alone.

This inconvenient little fact is more telling of who this man really is than anything else out there.

Mike Huckabee has a radical, collectivist agenda for America, and is dead set on using the power of federal government to regulate our lives, our wealth, and our own bodies on a level that is without parallel in the history of this nation.

Mike Huckabee's agenda is not a Christian agenda, it is a collectivist agenda, but this hasn't stopped this silver tongued snake oil salesman from seducing many good, God-fearing Christians out of their votes. We can only pray that someone will bring the message to them so that they can see through his clever guise before it is too late.

Did you know that Mike Huckabee supported the S-CHIP program that even President Bush vetoed? The same program that would have extended government health care to children and adults in households earning as much as $80,000 a year? This program was socialism through the back door, and so is Mike Huckabee.

max
11-30-2007, 09:24 PM
Hmm I actually think that public smoking should be banned and here's why. It infringes upon my having a clean and healthy environment. Smoking in public affects not just the smoker but those that are unwillingly subjected to their smoke. Therefore public smoking actually harms my freedom because I am forced to be subjected to the second hand smoke that is harmful to my body. Although, banning smoking in bars and restaurants should be up to private establishments. Those that have smoke free environments should probably advertise this fact.

twisted logic...

you are always free not to visit a bar or restaurant that allows smoking...You have no right to put a property owner BEHIND JAIL BARS because he CHOOSES to allow HIS customers to smoke on HIS property.

singapore_sling
11-30-2007, 09:25 PM
lol. I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just going to laugh at you.

Do you disagree that smokers subject non-smokers to second hand smoke? Btw, I edited my post because I mean to make it clear that smoking on private property should not be banned. But it should be on public property.

AggieforPaul
11-30-2007, 09:26 PM
I agree with him. Smoking affects more people than just the smoker. I respect Huckabee's stances on America's health crisis. Its about time someone tells america to quit worrying about dying in a terrorist attack, and start worrying about dying of lung cancer, diabetes, or heart failure. Huckabee was well on his way, and he turned his life around.

Jodi
11-30-2007, 09:27 PM
Hmm I actually think that public smoking should be banned and here's why. It infringes upon my having a clean and healthy environment. Smoking in public affects not just the smoker but those that are unwillingly subjected to their smoke. Therefore public smoking actually harms my freedom because I am forced to be subjected to the second hand smoke that is harmful to my body. Although, banning smoking in bars and restaurants should be up to private establishments. Those that have smoke free environments should probably advertise this fact.

My rights taken today...yours taken tomorrow.

Geronimo
11-30-2007, 09:28 PM
Huck has gone through an incredible transformation.
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/torydiary/images/7496_512.jpg http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/jim-nabors-c.jpg

forsmant
11-30-2007, 09:30 PM
God still has a lot of sway with the people. I think Huckleberry is our biggest threat.

JosephTheLibertarian
11-30-2007, 09:33 PM
Do you disagree that smokers subject non-smokers to second hand smoke? Btw, I edited my post because I mean to make it clear that smoking on private property should not be banned. But it should be on public property.

I don't think government should exist.

dircha
11-30-2007, 09:33 PM
I agree with him. Smoking affects more people than just the smoker. I respect Huckabee's stances on America's health crisis. Its about time someone tells america to quit worrying about dying in a terrorist attack, and start worrying about dying of lung cancer, diabetes, or heart failure. Huckabee was well on his way, and he turned his life around.

Except Mike Huckabee doesn't just want to show you how to live your life, he wants to tell you how to live your life, and back it up with the force of federal government. I respect what he has done in his personal life, but that respect stops dead in its tracks when he crosses this line, and crossing this line is exactly what he intends to do.

Mike Huckabee wants to expand government run socialized medicine to a scale that would be unprecedented in the history of this nation, not just to the young and the elderly, but to average middle class Americans like you and I.

This is a radical, collectivist agenda, and it is wrong for America.

1000-points-of-fright
11-30-2007, 09:34 PM
Phase 2 of Huck's plan... mandatory fat camps. He lost the weight, so should you.

Alan84
11-30-2007, 09:37 PM
I think the whole second hand smoking is a bit of a stretch, especially in a public place. But assuming it really is a dangerous threat, you don't have to stand near the person smoking.

Jimmy
11-30-2007, 09:39 PM
If an adult living in a free country wants to ride a motorcycle without a helment, drive a car without seatbeats, chainsmoke, drink too much, skydive, drive racecars, bungy jump, make a video of himself naked, on fire and jumping in a river....BY GOD if it make him happy and he doesn't hurt anyone else...they should have the right to do it!! There certainly shouldn't be a goverment telling them what they CAN or CANNOT do in a FREE country dammit.

TruckinMike
11-30-2007, 09:41 PM
So many people have fallen for the huckster's Charm. My wifes family --hook, line and sinker. -- I'm doing my best to re-educate them. I'll use this piece for sure.

Thanks, TM

Reading recommendation:

The politically incorrect guide to the Constitution by Kevin Gutzman

Very enlightening...

dircha
11-30-2007, 09:42 PM
Phase 2 of Huck's plan... mandatory fat camps. He lost the weight, so should you.

Even Rush Limbaugh sees the light on this guy.

In a Mike Huckabee presidency with a Democratic controlled House and Senate, we would have tobacco-like regulation of fat in foods and mandatory health controls through private insurers.

Oh how far we have come from the principles this country was founded on when we are a stone's throw away from a government that taxes the fat in our donuts and regulates the costs of private insurers if we don't jog a mile before going into work.

Which government agency do I sign up with to get someone in my washroom to wipe my ass for me too?

chowda
11-30-2007, 09:44 PM
added this story to my
"links of shame" on all graphs with his data :)

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/rp_vs_huck_today.html

OptionsTrader
11-30-2007, 09:50 PM
I agree with him. Smoking affects more people than just the smoker. I respect Huckabee's stances on America's health crisis. Its about time someone tells america to quit worrying about dying in a terrorist attack, and start worrying about dying of lung cancer, diabetes, or heart failure. Huckabee was well on his way, and he turned his life around.

No. The constitution does not allow the federal government to declare bad things illegal just because they are bad. This means drug use, prostitution, exotic dancing, eatting too much, exercising too little, and not taking time out of your day to be a good role model to your kids and telling your spouse you love them. All "bad things" that are extremely hurtful but do not infringe on the constitutionally protected rights of other individuals.

Just because you do not like a behavior is not sufficient justification for declaring it illegal.

The federal government simply has not been given that authority by the people. If you do not condone smoking, then do not smoke and avoid establishments that allow it. Let the market decide, and let bar owners and restaurant owners set their rules.

dircha
11-30-2007, 09:50 PM
So many people have fallen for the huckster's Charm. My wifes family --hook, line and sinker. -- I'm doing my best to re-educate them. I'll use this piece for sure.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzNiY2M5NzIxZDJlMDUxNzUwYmQ4ZDU5ZDAzY2U3YWU
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/media/uploads/0070129-white-paper-huckabee.pdf
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmNjMmI1ODhjNGVlZWFmNTlmMGNiZTVjYTg1NTUzMTk= (last 4 pargraphs)
http://www.taxhikemike.org/

werdd
11-30-2007, 10:47 PM
Hmm I actually think that public smoking should be banned and here's why. It infringes upon my having a clean and healthy environment. Smoking in public affects not just the smoker but those that are unwillingly subjected to their smoke. Therefore public smoking actually harms my freedom because I am forced to be subjected to the second hand smoke that is harmful to my body. Although, banning smoking in bars and restaurants should be up to private establishments. Those that have smoke free environments should probably advertise this fact.

Dude with all the emissions and shit in the air your last worry is cigarette smoke, people have lived with it forever, it's a left wing schmuck thing to attack smokers. John mccain was right when he criticized taxing smokers, "we just gotta make sure more kids smoke now" because the whole smoker persecution is complete crap, take me back to the 70s please.

I guess im a little partial because i do smoke, but oh well. I say its my right to do so.