View Full Version : Citing armed protesters, BLM returns seized cattle to Nevada rancher
Anti Federalist
04-12-2014, 07:53 PM
Thought this might like its own thread.
Citing armed protesters, BLM returns seized cattle to Nevada rancher
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-blm-cattle-nevada-rancher-20140412,0,2071818
After spending a week whisking away nearly 400 cattle they said were illegally grazing on federal land in the Nevada desert, officials facing a battalion of protesters with horses and guns decided to free those cattle in a stunning reversal Saturday afternoon.
A line of cattle calmly filtered out of a federal holding area at about 3 p.m. as protesters and law enforcement watched from alongside Interstate 15 near the Nevada-Arizona state line.
"Due to escalating tensions, the cattle have been released from the enclosures in order to avoid violence and help restore order," the U.S. Bureau of Land Management said in a short statement.
Federal officials have failed for 21 years to compel rancher Cliven Bundy to pay the fee required to let privately owned cattle use public land.
The government has said the cattle roundup was a “last resort” to enforce court orders ruling that Bundy had failed to pay more than $1 million in fees since 1993. Forcing him either to pay or to give up his cattle is a matter of fairness to the 16,000 ranchers who do follow the rules, U.S. officials said.
Two weeks ago, the BLM and the National Park Service began mobilizing helicopters, trucks, cowboys and rangers to seize Bundy’s 900 cattle.
The agencies moved nearly 400 to the holding area before suddenly announcing Saturday morning that the operation would end because of "grave concerns" about worker safety.
Bundy received nationwide support from people frustrated by what they described as government overreach, and at least several dozen of them brought weapons with them to Bundy's ranch 80 miles east of Las Vegas this week. Protesters scuffled with law enforcement at least a couple of times during the seizures. On Saturday, a peaceful standoff between law enforcement and protesters in the sweltering heat temporarily closed off a stretch of I-15 in nearby Bunkerville.
Bundy, a 68-year-old father of 14, has argued in court that his Mormon ancestors began working the land in the 1880s, long before the BLM was formed, giving him rights that predate federal involvement. He says he only owes about $300,000.
"We're tired of being abused," Bundy told supporters Saturday during a rally broadcast online.
Meanwhile, lawmakers called for the protesters to leave the area so that the BLM could safely remove its equipment. But the protesters refused to leave until the seized cattle were released in the 150 square miles of scrub desert in the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area.
Environmentalists argue that the cattle take food from protected desert tortoises, smash rare plants and slow down the regrowth of fire-damaged vegetation. Their numbers should be kept in check, the land advocates say.
The cost of what had been expected to be a monthlong operation hasn't been disclosed. Critics have said the cash-strapped agency should be selling land to local residents instead of wasting money on what they see as a frivolous move. In Nevada, the BLM manages 87% of the state's land.
BLM Director Neil Kornze secured his position after U.S. Senate confirmation on Tuesday, four days into the cattle roundup. From 2003 to 2011, Kornze was an aide to Sen. Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat and Senate majority leader.
The case is the latest flourish of the civil disobedience popularized during the 1970s Sagebrush Rebellion, a movement that sought greater local control in 12 Western states where the federal government administers 60% of the land.
Bundy couldn't be reached for comment.
Anti Federalist
04-12-2014, 07:57 PM
From another story:
The large crowd at one point blocked all traffic on Interstate 15. Later, as lanes opened up, motorists honked to support the demonstrators and gave them a thumbs-up sign.
In an interview prior to the bureau's announcement, Bundy said he was impressed by the level of support he had received.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/us-usa-ranchers-nevada-idUSBREA3B03Q20140413
Is my gauge of Boobus incorrect?
Online shills skewing opinion?
kcchiefs6465
04-12-2014, 08:02 PM
:D
PaulConventionWV
04-12-2014, 08:09 PM
If there's one thing I despise more than the BLM, it's the environmentalists who think they know what's best for the land, like which animals and plants should flourish. They have a God complex.
jclay2
04-12-2014, 08:10 PM
This event seems to suggest that the threat of violence by a staunch showing of the 2nd amendment is the only way any real change can be had.
AuH20
04-12-2014, 08:12 PM
Civil disobedience doesn't threaten these mercs with loss of their lives and pensions. The 2nd amendment however alters the balance of power.
donnay
04-12-2014, 08:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGVmqx3RVo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGVmqx3RVo
Patriots Confront BLM & Show How to Take Country Back
donnay
04-12-2014, 08:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0vVitsRCv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0vVitsRCv8
Mainstream Media LIES About Federal Standoff
Anti Federalist
04-12-2014, 09:02 PM
This event seems to suggest that the threat of violence by a staunch showing of the 2nd amendment is the only way any real change can be had.
I wouldn't phrase it like that.
Assaults will be met with lawful defense.
I long for the day when law enforcement is sent the clear message that their days of beating, tasing, shooting, grenading and killing our fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, children, pets and livestock with impunity are over.
FSP-Rebel
04-12-2014, 09:42 PM
As most folks know, I'm more of a political kind of guy but I must say that I'm really proud of these Patriots.:cool:
Anti Federalist
04-12-2014, 09:48 PM
The answer to 1984 is 1776
belian78
04-13-2014, 12:04 AM
The answer to 1984 is 1776
Damn right son, damn right.
tod evans
04-13-2014, 12:15 AM
I don't expect the feds to lay down...
Their egos won't let them.
TaftFan
04-13-2014, 01:13 AM
And to think this all happened because Mitch McConnell is endangered.
Origanalist
04-13-2014, 01:43 AM
From another story:
The large crowd at one point blocked all traffic on Interstate 15. Later, as lanes opened up, motorists honked to support the demonstrators and gave them a thumbs-up sign.
In an interview prior to the bureau's announcement, Bundy said he was impressed by the level of support he had received.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/us-usa-ranchers-nevada-idUSBREA3B03Q20140413
Is my gauge of Boobus incorrect?
Online shills skewing opinion?
I can think of one in particular on this forum.
nobody's_hero
04-13-2014, 02:29 AM
I think this pic's worth more than 1,000 words. This pic was featured in a dailymail UK article.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/13/article-2603026-1D103FEC00000578-811_634x439.jpg
Plenty more pics here, but be warned that the auto-play ad videos are quite annoying:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603026/Senator-speaks-favor-Nevada-rancher-militias-join-battle-federal-agents-accused-acting-like-theyre-Tienanmen-Square-fight-disputed-ranch-land.html
For those people around the world who say "we" do not need firearms, I hope this serves as an object lesson in how miserably wrong you are. Had this been basically any other nation on the planet, the only option would have been to crack a smile and take it.
That said, bear in mind that this may be no victory at all in the longer term. Not trying to be a buzz-kill here, but the truth remains what it is. If anyone thinks this is over, I must suggest they are off the path. If in 5 years the man and his family are still alive, then perhaps we may be able to look back at this day and say that something was here accomplished. Until then, were I Mr. Bundy, I would be sleeping with both eyes open because if the historical record holds any validity, chances are those bastards are going to be back, only with greater resolve, greater treachery, greater material force, and no mood for uppity mundanes.
If the kinds of money are involved that have been intimated, and if China has a primary interest in the acquisition, chances are small that this is a done deal and I would be on the lookout for more to come.
donnay
04-13-2014, 06:35 AM
For those people around the world who say "we" do not need firearms, I hope this serves as an object lesson in how miserably wrong you are. Had this been basically any other nation on the planet, the only option would have been to crack a smile and take it.
That said, bear in mind that this may be no victory at all in the longer term. Not trying to be a buzz-kill here, but the truth remains what it is. If anyone thinks this is over, I must suggest they are off the path. If in 5 years the man and his family are still alive, then perhaps we may be able to look back at this day and say that something was here accomplished. Until then, were I Mr. Bundy, I would be sleeping with both eyes open because if the historical record holds any validity, chances are those bastards are going to be back, only with greater resolve, greater treachery, greater material force, and no mood for uppity mundanes.
If the kinds of money are involved that have been intimated, and if China has a primary interest in the acquisition, chances are small that this is a done deal and I would be on the lookout for more to come.
I wholeheartedly agree. This was a small victory for liberty indeed, and it proves that we need to stand our ground and exercise our rights everyday. It certainly isn't a time for complacency. This only wounded the beast a bit, and the beast will lie in wait to swoop down and take his revenge when he thinks the coast is clear.
torchbearer
04-13-2014, 07:35 AM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/13/article-2603026-1D127C6700000578-581_306x423.jpg
torchbearer
04-13-2014, 07:37 AM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/13/article-2603026-1D10A47900000578-309_634x459.jpg
Anti-federalist: Armed militia members stand guard on a hilltop overlooking a Clive Bundy supporter camp near the Virgin River Saturday, April 12, 2014, near Bunkerville, Nevada
Origanalist
04-13-2014, 07:52 AM
Lessons Learned From #bundyranch
Many interesting comments here...http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/lessons-learned-from-bundyranch/
torchbearer
04-13-2014, 08:06 AM
I bet there were guys at the BLM camp that were saying, 'I didn't sign up to die for cows'
When people really stand up with the possibility of deadly force, most of these people will stand down.
69360
04-13-2014, 08:07 AM
If he was my neighbor I would have helped him.
The feds can't take the negative publicity of another Ruby ridge or Waco. Well not on a small scale anyway. If they want to pull something like that ever again it would have to be the whole county at once or they would face a massive backlash.
otherone
04-13-2014, 08:11 AM
Forcing him either to pay or to give up his cattle is a matter of fairness to the 16,000 ranchers who do follow the rules
"Fairness" in this regard as being defined as "equity of ass-rape".
tod evans
04-13-2014, 08:16 AM
I bet there were guys at the BLM camp that were saying, 'I didn't sign up to die for cows'
When people really stand up with the possibility of deadly force, most of these people will stand down.
"These people" must be named and exposed!
There are enough pictures of the governments agents floating around it's time to put names and addresses to the faces.
If these people are comfortable waging war on Americans it's only right that Americans know when they mobilize...
You can bet your ass "they" already have the names and addresses of every man, woman and child who stood with the Bundy family....
otherone
04-13-2014, 08:20 AM
"These people" must be named and exposed!
HARHARHAR.
Don't you know "our" servants have a "Right" to anonymity...?
:p
limequat
04-13-2014, 08:26 AM
Can't remember the last time I felt pride like this. That dude with the AR laying on the overpass? Big ol' brass ones.
I think tonight is a steak and .223 night.
tod evans
04-13-2014, 08:26 AM
HARHARHAR.
Don't you know "our" servants have a "Right" to anonymity...?
:p
That's what they'd like..........
jclay2
04-13-2014, 08:30 AM
The photos of the militia men are awesome. Truly surprised the cops weren't arresting these guys.
UtahApocalypse
04-13-2014, 08:34 AM
This event seems to suggest that the threat of violence by a staunch showing of the 2nd amendment is the only way any real change can be had.
Civil disobedience doesn't threaten these mercs with loss of their lives and pensions. The 2nd amendment however alters the balance of power.
And now you see the REAL reason for all of the Gun Control measures. Its not about controlling firearms, its about controlling the public.
limequat
04-13-2014, 08:40 AM
Non-violent protest without arms => go directly to the 1st amendment area.
Non-violent protest with ARs => "Uh excuse while we back away slowly."
jclay2
04-13-2014, 08:44 AM
Non-violent protest without arms => go directly to the 1st amendment area.
Non-violent protest with ARs => "Uh excuse while we back away slowly."
LOL, so true.
DGambler
04-13-2014, 08:48 AM
Lessons Learned From #bundyranch
Many interesting comments here...http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/lessons-learned-from-bundyranch/
Great stuff right there... Glad to see someone doing a post action review.... Coordination and logistics need to be worked on.
daviddee
04-13-2014, 08:48 AM
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Warrior_of_Freedom
04-13-2014, 08:57 AM
I laughed so freakin' hard reading this. I like how this "fairness" works where everybody is punished equally. How fair!
From another story:
The large crowd at one point blocked all traffic on Interstate 15. Later, as lanes opened up, motorists honked to support the demonstrators and gave them a thumbs-up sign.
In an interview prior to the bureau's announcement, Bundy said he was impressed by the level of support he had received.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/13/us-usa-ranchers-nevada-idUSBREA3B03Q20140413
Is my gauge of Boobus incorrect?
Online shills skewing opinion?
I was one of the honkers! Got there on the I-15 overpass 5 mins after the cows were released. (I stopped and talked to a few folks.)
It was a great feeling seeing everyone happy. But some are concerned that after the melee clears, they will be back in a few weeks or so.
I was one of the honkers! Got there on the I-15 overpass 5 mins after the cows were released. (I stopped and talked to a few folks.)
It was a great feeling seeing everyone happy. But some are concerned that after the melee clears, they will be back in a few weeks or so.
Yes, that's why they need a sheriff that will go out there and arrest the feds. Nothing like being behind bars charged (and eventually convicted) with some felonies to put these guys in the proper light.
tod evans
04-13-2014, 10:10 AM
Yes, that's why they need a sheriff that will go out there and arrest the feds. Nothing like being behind bars charged (and eventually convicted) with some felonies to put these guys in the proper light.
Relying on their courts to punish them doesn't make sense to me.
The "Just-Us" system is so completely corrupt I have absolutely no faith in it what so ever...
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 10:27 AM
I think this pic's worth more than 1,000 words. This pic was featured in a dailymail UK article.
Plenty more pics here, but be warned that the auto-play ad videos are quite annoying:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603026/Senator-speaks-favor-Nevada-rancher-militias-join-battle-federal-agents-accused-acting-like-theyre-Tienanmen-Square-fight-disputed-ranch-land.html
One of the things I like to do at UK sites, is to pick out the comments that are actually coming from the UK. Commenters posting from the UK seem to be overwhelmingly supportive of the militia effort in particular, even those that are a little less supportive of Bundy himself. Almost an attitude of "Thank God, America is starting to be America again, and Lord knows the world needs it." I am in fact quite encouraged by the native commentary at this article, even if not so much some of the 'murikans posting there.
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 10:30 AM
The photos of the militia men are awesome. Truly surprised the cops weren't arresting these guys.
LOL Barney Fife walks up on a group of three combat experienced militia carrying ARs with 30 round magazines and one in the chamber. This will not end well.
Carlybee
04-13-2014, 10:38 AM
I wonder how things would have gone down differently in Waco if the movement had internet back then.
I think the govt got a little wake up call with this situation.
This photo (less than the caption) is a great shot:
http://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/screen-shot-2014-04-13-at-12-31-36-am1.png?w=500&h=313
I dont know but I think it's actually unwise to rely so much on the internet.
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 10:42 AM
I dont know but I think it's actually unwise to rely so much on the internet.
Depends on what you are relying on it for.
Carlybee
04-13-2014, 10:46 AM
Depends on what you are relying on it for.
Call to arms..communication. Just needs to be a reliable backup plan but I assume these groups have thought of that.
I was one of the honkers! Got there on the I-15 overpass 5 mins after the cows were released. (I stopped and talked to a few folks.)
It was a great feeling seeing everyone happy. But some are concerned that after the melee clears, they will be back in a few weeks or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9GAh658_k
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 10:53 AM
Call to arms..communication. Just needs to be a reliable backup plan but I assume these groups have thought of that.
Yeah, traditional internet is not going to be the primary LOC for these guys, you can bet on it. Stuff like Twitter etc mostly fill the role of Paul Revere
69360
04-13-2014, 10:58 AM
The photos of the militia men are awesome. Truly surprised the cops weren't arresting these guys.
For what? Nevada is an open carry state for hand guns and long guns with no "assault" weapon laws.
I didn't read everything about this, but I thought the sheriff sided with the rancher and the problem was with the feds?
I'm not a huge fan of those open carry protests where people tote around AR15s for no reason. But in this case I think the rancher and his neighbors etc were fully justified in carrying.
pcosmar
04-13-2014, 11:00 AM
No one believes this is over.
Comments from the crowd yesterday were clear about that.
Folks are expecting more,, and are preparing for that.
My personal view,,,
The ranks of the Federal (and state) mercenaries needs to be thinned.
and recruitment to such needs to be discouraged.
ClydeCoulter
04-13-2014, 11:03 AM
For what? Nevada is an open carry state for hand guns and long guns with no "assault" weapon laws.
I didn't read everything about this, but I thought the sheriff sided with the rancher and the problem was with the feds?
I'm not a huge fan of those open carry protests where people tote around AR15s for no reason. But in this case I think the rancher and his neighbors etc were fully justified in carrying.
No, their Sheriff did not support them. He was made to reluctantly issue the statement that the BLM was backing off.
pcosmar
04-13-2014, 11:03 AM
For what? Nevada is an open carry state for hand guns and long guns with no "assault" weapon laws.
I didn't read everything about this, but I thought the sheriff sided with the rancher and the problem was with the feds?
Nope,, the Sheriff is talking out both sides of his mouth. He needs to be removed.
He only sided with Bundy under duress.
FSP-Rebel
04-13-2014, 11:03 AM
Ryan Bundy joined FTL last night and gave an insider description on how things went down. He and crew were in the process of driving the cattle back to the ranch when he was on for 2 and a half segments. Pretty good listen and right out of the gate: http://www.freetalklive.com/content/podcast_2014_04_12
AuH20
04-13-2014, 11:04 AM
No one believes this is over.
Comments from the crowd yesterday were clear about that.
Folks are expecting more,, and are preparing for that.
My personal view,,,
The ranks of the Federal (and state) mercenaries needs to be thinned.
and recruitment to such needs to be discouraged.
The mercs need to realize that it will not be a turkey shoot going forward. They may win due to superior resources and logistics, but it will not be without heavy cost.
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 11:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9GAh658_k
Here is my analysis on the BLM withdrawal being a regroup. I totally think it is. Here is why I'm not all up in a panic about it. After all the PR those guys made in the first go-round, if they come back harder then the patriots are automatically and immediately granted the moral high ground. So, DHS comes back in 2 weeks with tanks and armored infantry. After the publicity from the first go round, how is the the PR going to work out with that?
It ends up win/win for us, and a bigger win for us if they come back harder to aggress. So maybe it's true. Maybe they are just backing up to regroup and come back with 10x the force. Then the mask is completely off and we libertarians are no longer the crazy ones. It's too early in 2014 with the US Senate in the balance for them to want that. Think a minute about what happens if Arizona goes full-on Ukraine here with the firebombing of APCs and such. Already because of the setup most people support Bundy. Rolling in with tanks will lose much of the support the fed has here, and if the region goes Ukrainian, the feds will be blamed as the aggressors.
The fastest way to win an American majority for our brand of politics, would be for the DHS to come back and bring a battalion of armored infantry and a battalion of regular infantry to take and occupy the Bundy Ranch and surrounding lands. Go ahead, come back in force. Watch every last libertarian in the nation win their primaries right down to the craziest ones, and then go on to win their Generals. Imagine government at every level in 2015 with a libertarian mandate. Do you care about your job? I'll call your f'n bluff. Your move DHS.
pcosmar
04-13-2014, 11:18 AM
The mercs need to realize that it will not be a turkey shoot going forward. They may win due to superior resources and logistics, but it will not be without heavy cost.
No,, They won't..
They might win a skirmish.. likely against small and poorly armed families. and by surprise attacks.
they will not win against folks that are prepared and willing to fight.
The militia has shown great restraint.. They do not want the fight,, but if it comes they will.
Carlybee
04-13-2014, 11:19 AM
I don't think they will do anything obvious but they will do something. I hope the Bundys stay vigilant in whatever capacity they can.
69360
04-13-2014, 11:22 AM
Here is my analysis on the BLM withdrawal being a regroup. I totally think it is. Here is why I'm not all up in a panic about it. After all the PR those guys made in the first go-round, if they come back harder then the patriots are automatically and immediately granted the moral high ground. So, DHS comes back in 2 weeks with tanks and armored infantry. After the publicity from the first go round, how is the the PR going to work out with that?
It ends up win/win for us, and a bigger win for us if they come back harder to aggress. So maybe it's true. Maybe they are just backing up to regroup and come back with 10x the force. Then the mask is completely off and we libertarians are no longer the crazy ones. It's too early in 2014 with the US Senate in the balance for them to want that. Think a minute about what happens if Arizona goes full-on Ukraine here with the firebombing of APCs and such. Already because of the setup most people support Bundy. Rolling in with tanks will lose much of the support the fed has here, and if the region goes Ukrainian, the feds will be blamed as the aggressors.
The fastest way to win an American majority for our brand of politics, would be for the DHS to come back and bring a battalion of armored infantry and a battalion of regular infantry to take and occupy the Bundy Ranch and surrounding lands. Go ahead, come back in force. Watch every last libertarian in the nation win their primaries right down to the craziest ones, and then go on to win their Generals. Imagine government at every level in 2015 with a libertarian mandate. Do you care about your job? I'll call your f'n bluff. Your move DHS.
That's great and all but the average city person that watches the 6 o'clock news every night thinks Bundy and those who helped him are right wing extremists, anti-govenment terrorists etc.
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 11:24 AM
That's great and all but the average city person that watches the 6 o'clock news every night thinks Bundy and those who helped him are right wing extremists, anti-govenment terrorists etc.
Which is why fedgov is stupid to give the sheeple clear and obvious reason to think otherwise, but if/when they do, then it works to our advantage, politically.
pcosmar
04-13-2014, 11:34 AM
That's great and all but the average city person that watches the 6 o'clock news every night thinks Bundy and those who helped him are right wing extremists, anti-govenment terrorists etc.
Then perhaps the Militia can avoid protecting City Folks,, and let the cities turn into little prison complexes while folks live free in the rest of the country.
69360
04-13-2014, 11:34 AM
Which is why fedgov is stupid to give the sheeple clear and obvious reason to think otherwise, but if/when they do, then it works to our advantage, politically.
Honestly I think the feds could roll in with tanks and a large portion of the population wouldn't care too much as long as the feds didn't kill women and children. That's where most of the sympathy for Ruby ridge and Waco came from. If it was just those evil white male domestic terrorists oh well.
69360
04-13-2014, 11:38 AM
Then perhaps the Militia can avoid protecting City Folks,, and let the cities turn into little prison complexes while folks live free in the rest of the country.
That could happen...
pcosmar
04-13-2014, 11:39 AM
Honestly I think the feds could roll in with tanks and a large portion of the population wouldn't care too much as long as the feds didn't kill women and children. That's where most of the sympathy for Ruby ridge and Waco came from. If it was just those evil white male domestic terrorists oh well.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/p526x296/10246270_763308377020773_2797054749128378392_n.jpg
There were quite a lot of women and children at the Ranch and at the protest confrontation.
pcosmar
04-13-2014, 11:42 AM
That could happen...
I advocate it. I am not militia due to being disarmed,, but I advocate avoiding urban operations. (due to potential collateral damage)
Draw them out to a place of your own choosing.. and destroy them there.
FSP-Rebel
04-13-2014, 11:46 AM
Watch out for APs in the crowd next time trying to start shit.
A comment from the "Lessons Learned From #bundyranch" article
Lots of different ways things could have happened yesterday. Good thing we’re still in the kinder gentler phase right now. Once the velvet glove comes off the iron fist the main lesson learned will be that boxing in a few thousand people onto a strip of highway in the desert can end up looking like the Highway of Death:
https://www.google.com/search?q=highway+of+death+gulf+war&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=mnNKU8OhI8qCyQHWxYCwBQ&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=667&dpr=1
The internet will be turned off before that happens.
Now it should begin to make sense to you why the National Guard had their A-10s and Apaches taken away –they would have been able to provide overwatch in the air and countered such a threat to citizens on the ground.
ClydeCoulter
04-13-2014, 12:16 PM
A comment from the "Lessons Learned From #bundyranch" article
Yes. And I was concerned about that (National Guard) years ago. The way I saw it, back then, was, that between the GMO terminator and the National Guard being stripped, states would be more at the mercy of the Federal Government for food (no seed for you) and disarmed.
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 12:26 PM
Honestly I think the feds could roll in with tanks and a large portion of the population wouldn't care too much as long as the feds didn't kill women and children. That's where most of the sympathy for Ruby ridge and Waco came from. If it was just those evil white male domestic terrorists oh well.
Well then, if the bastards drag us all down to hell at least it'll be clearly on record for all of history to see that they took the first shot. There won't be 10 years of questions before it was fully resolved. This is where the internet changes the world. When the bastards do it this time, they will have to do it live.
http://glenbradley.net/images/share/we-ll-do-it-live-o.gif
Elias Graves
04-13-2014, 12:30 PM
The great thing in all this is that Obama has revealed to everyone now that he doesn't have the stones for a real fight. He rolled over. He's a pussy and all fear he's built up just went out the window. You'll start to see the snowball from here.
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 12:35 PM
The great thing in all this is that Obama has revealed to everyone now that he doesn't have the stones for a real fight. He rolled over. He's a pussy and all fear he's built up just went out the window. You'll start to see the snowball from here.
but DID he roll over? I think the next 2-3 weeks will tell if we see anything crazy coming out of fedgov and then after that be on the lookout for a domestic patriot act in Congress but innocuously named this time.
GunnyFreedom
04-13-2014, 12:37 PM
Yeah, I'm 100% with you this sends a good message to Americans and to the people of the world. This is still America.
AuH20
04-13-2014, 12:38 PM
The great thing in all this is that Obama has revealed to everyone now that he doesn't have the stones for a real fight. He rolled over. He's a pussy and all fear he's built up just went out the window. You'll start to see the snowball from here.
Obama Co. are ruthless killers just like their predecessors. They operate in the shadows. Just wait until you see what they have planned.
Elias Graves
04-13-2014, 12:45 PM
Obama Co. are ruthless killers just like their predecessors. They operate in the shadows. Just wait until you see what they have planned.
Im not so sure. Remember, these are all leftist peacenik wimps who think that enough public shame and heavy handed bureaucracy will bring down the opposition. They think we're all as compliant as their clients who rely on them for a check. Most of us are still independent and won't roll over for them.
I honestly don't think they expected people to actually stand up. They're pussies without the stones for a real fight. That's why they want the guns.
AuH20
04-13-2014, 12:46 PM
Im not so sure. Remember, these are all leftist peacenik wimps who think that enough public shame and heavy handed bureaucracy will bring down the opposition. They think we're all as compliant as their clients who rely on them for a check. Most of us are still independent and won't roll over for them.
I honestly don't think they expected people to actually stand up. They're pussies without the stones for a real fight. That's why they want the guns.
I'm talking about the people who run the Obama admin as opposed to the average Obama supporter. They are cutthroats who view every problem through the prism of The Ends Justifies the Means.
"Fairness" in this regard as being defined as "equity of ass-rape".
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to otherone again."
Someone, please? This was worthy.
One of the things I like to do at UK sites, is to pick out the comments that are actually coming from the UK. Commenters posting from the UK seem to be overwhelmingly supportive of the militia effort in particular, even those that are a little less supportive of Bundy himself. Almost an attitude of "Thank God, America is starting to be America again, and Lord knows the world needs it." I am in fact quite encouraged by the native commentary at this article, even if not so much some of the 'murikans posting there.
From the second-tier headline:
Bureau of Land Management would not enforce court order to remove cattle and was pulling out of the area
Note to everyone: a court order is void if it does not comport with moral rectitude. Just as with the military where a soldier is obliged to dispbey illegal orders, so it is with the courts: immoral orders have no force of law. IOW, judges are not omnipotent god-like creatures whose every edict is to be obeyed without question. This is something from which we Americans have gotten far away and it is damned past time we set these bastards straight on the matter, among a thousand others.
One more thing, and I so pray to be proven the fool on this, keep an eye for some "event" in the coming months... something that will rattle the great wad of Americans; something very significant that stands to shift the balance of power either in some very localized manner or even nationwide. I know this is not much on which to go, but I for one am yet to be convinced that this Bundy deal is over. There appear to be big players' hands in this and such interests rarely go quietly on to the next thing. For them it is often the winning that becomes the objective the moment resistance is detected.
nobody's_hero
04-13-2014, 02:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIxtmEHmphg
This youtube user has a TON of videos from the event of this weekend:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sexy702latina/videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J8DQ9gVRN8
nobody's_hero
04-13-2014, 03:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79xKxWbBYcw
BLM next take?
High elevation drone collects coordinates of heat signatures of cattle at night, transmits those coordinates to a fleet of small drones who fly out and emit small dosages of a highly toxic poison to kill the cattle.
One, maybe two nights, the cattle are all mysteriously dead.
mad cow
04-13-2014, 04:10 PM
Nevada Cattle Rancher Wins 'Range War' With Feds
However, today the BLM said it would not enforce a court order to remove the cattle and was pulling out of the area.
"Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public," BLM Director Neil Kornze said.
"We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner," he said.
More at link:http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610
sylcfh
04-13-2014, 05:33 PM
Nevada needs to legalize marijuana now.
I'd love to see the DEA run into those guys.
thoughtomator
04-13-2014, 06:11 PM
Im not so sure. Remember, these are all leftist peacenik wimps who think that enough public shame and heavy handed bureaucracy will bring down the opposition. They think we're all as compliant as their clients who rely on them for a check. Most of us are still independent and won't roll over for them.
I honestly don't think they expected people to actually stand up. They're pussies without the stones for a real fight. That's why they want the guns.
There are few people in the world so casually accepting of large-scale mass murder by governments as those "leftist peacenik wimps". See Sunstein, Cass.
DamianTV
04-13-2014, 06:17 PM
Watch out for APs in the crowd next time trying to start shit.
Good call. Govt instigates conflicts by controlling the opposition. They will try to absolve themselves of guilt at every opportunity. In many protests, Cops disguise themselves as protestors that quickly turn peaceful protests into violent conflicts when the disguised Cops are the ones that intentionally start the violence. When others see that the protestors instigated the violence, it absolves Govt of responsibility, and provides an apparent reason for Govt to exercise violence to control the protestors. The Govt wants violence because it is much better at it than we are, and opens so many other doors for even more legitamized reasons to deprive the people of peace.
Pericles
04-13-2014, 07:05 PM
Watch out for APs in the crowd next time trying to start shit.
One of the big risks in having unorganized armed groups of people on your side. You can't be sure who is really on your team.
pcosmar
04-13-2014, 07:20 PM
One of the big risks in having unorganized armed groups of people on your side. You can't be sure who is really on your team.
Except that the protesters (especially the armed ones) and the militia were intent on NOT starting it.
Anyone intent on starting shit would have been immediately recognized.
And beyond that,, had shooting actually started the BLM and Rangers would have been in a world of shit. They did not like being in that position.
They were all targeted and they knew it. I could hear the nervousness in their voices. (They were the ones in the Kill Zone)
An Agent Provocateur in that place and at that time would have gotten Government Agents killed.
gwax23
04-13-2014, 07:26 PM
Fuck the feds. Good to see some people still have their balls in this country.
Pericles
04-13-2014, 07:28 PM
Except that the protesters (especially the armed ones) and the militia were intent on NOT starting it.
Anyone intent on starting shit would have been immediately recognized.
And beyond that,, had shooting actually started the BLM and Rangers would have been in a world of shit. They did not like being in that position.
They were all targeted and they knew it. I could hear the nervousness in their voices. (They were the ones in the Kill Zone)
An Agent Provocateur in that place and at that time would have gotten Government Agents killed.
We know that, but do the government agents?
pcosmar
04-13-2014, 07:38 PM
We know that, but do the government agents?
At the point of confrontation late in the day,, I am quite sure they did.
There was a Highway Patrol transmission (on the wrong channel) I was listening to their public channel.
They had confirmed intel of 200 Scoped rifles.. plus more long guns in the crowd.. They knew that.
I suspect that there were many more rifles more carefully concealed. there were known militia in the area for days before this and more on the way.
HP dispatch chatter also mentioned 3 groups of over 100 bikes.. inbound.
They may be stupid Government serving pukes,, but they can't be that stupid. They packed up and bugged out in a hurry.
AuH20
04-13-2014, 07:40 PM
This was posted on another forum. Brings a smile to my face. If they want to escalate with air power, go right ahead. Sure, some of us will be smoldering corpses, but you don't get to sleep easy at night.
Well..the Freefor Does not necessarily have to actually get to the site of the confrontation to count coup. Any Vet can affirm that seven or so support personnel are required for each trigger squeezer. They are mechanics, loaders, beancounters, fuel handlers, truckdrivers, cooks and bottle washers. True there is lots of air support, but they have to return to SOME base, sometime. In the event of shooting, that base is fair game. The roads they use, the homes they go to, they are all targets of opportunity, and certainly less well guarded. Proper surveillance and name-taking now can be invaluable WHEN (not if) the time comes. A squad or two of determined individuals with a few .50 Barretts can ground a considerable fleet of AC with well placed shots. Perhaps we game our local place of the base and play what if…. The best shots fired can be a hundred miles from the scene of main action and do considerable good
Lets plan on giving them many fronts instead of gathering like idiots in a single place….
These homeboys need badly to experience Fourth Generation Warfare first hand. Let Them handle it here like they could not do in Vietnam, Iraq and Afganistan… Those deskriding bastards need a dose of reality, BAD. Let’s give it to them. HOORAH..
mrsat_98
04-13-2014, 08:06 PM
Yeah, I'm 100% with you this sends a good message to Americans and to the people of the world. This is still America.
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1926684_301712419985726_2400893104901870785_n.jpg
Origanalist
04-13-2014, 10:53 PM
Exclusive: BLM Claims It Will “Stand Down” In Nevada, Snipers, Agents and No Fly Zone Remain In Place
By: Ben Swann Apr 13, 2014
A small victory for liberty activists across the country as the Bureau of Land Management announced Saturday that it would stand down in its operations of rounding up cattle from Nevada rancher Clive Bundy. As we reported, the BLM ended its operation of rounding up Bundy’s cattle after hundreds of protestors rallied to the family’s side. Hundreds more protestors are on the way.
“Due to escalating tensions, the cattle have been released from the enclosures in order to avoid violence and help restore order,” the U.S. Bureau of Land Management said in a short statement after releasing nearly 400 cattle.
What most media won’t tell you however, is that while the BLM has been ordered to stand down, their agents have not been ordered to leave the area around the Bundy ranch. In fact, that is not happening, as those nearly 200 federal agents including snipers have not left the area.
Sources on the ground in Nevada tell Benswann.com, “They spotted night time activity in the hills surrounding the Bundy property. After catching about an hours sleep they awoke to see three snipers skulking in the bush surrounding the camps that people have set up. The people who have been there are not leaving and more are still coming in from all over the US. The airspace over the Bundy ranch has been shut down in a 3 mile, 30,000 feet perimeter so that no private helicopters or planes can fly over to take pictures or survey what the feds are up to.”
It is important to note that the FAA instituted its “no fly zone” over and around the Bundy’s property only hours before the BLM announced it would stand down. The FAA has not lifted the no fly zone and says it will remain in place until May 11, 2014.
Sources go on to say, “So far Federal Agents are still trolling the roads, surveilling the territory and the camps in big black SUVs with blacked out windows. We need more numbers out there. There’s a Federal Express outlet in St. George, Utah on South Airport Rd. If need be get ready to send supplies. If the government decides to shut the roads down to try to contain the numbers of people coming in to take a stand the supply lines could be compromised.”
Read more: http://benswann.com/exclusive-blm-claims-it-will-stand-down-in-nevada-snipers-agents-and-no-fly-zone-remain-in-place/#ixzz2ypjAITha
Follow us: @BenSwann_ on Twitter
I'm a little behind on this issue...All I can say is...How many more 3 letter alphabet agencies exist out there that have control over our land and property and rights?
BLM, I had no clue existed. Seems like every month a new one is popping up.
I'm a little behind on this issue...All I can say is...How many more 3 letter alphabet agencies exist out there that have control over our land and property and rights?
BLM, I had no clue existed. Seems like every month a new one is popping up.
What we have here is an alphabet soup.
BREAKING: Secret video of night time BLM operations released:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3430vZg_vUY
twomp
04-14-2014, 01:33 AM
The great thing in all this is that Obama has revealed to everyone now that he doesn't have the stones for a real fight. He rolled over. He's a pussy and all fear he's built up just went out the window. You'll start to see the snowball from here.
Are you serious? The stones? Are you one of those GOP cheerleaders who believe Obama isn't "tough enough"? This is America, the President and the government is SUPPOSED to be scared of the people. THEY SERVE US! I bet you wish there was some (R) in office who was "tough enought" to stand up to the people they were elected to represent?
evandeck
04-14-2014, 01:39 AM
Found this on Reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/22z9rp/more_agents_and_equipment_arriving_at_the_bundy/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Jer1YidkfPY
Not sure if this was before after the cows were set free but what's said in the video sounds like it was after.
nobody's_hero
04-14-2014, 06:23 AM
It'd be nice if the people of Clark county elected a constitutional sheriff by the time the BLM got around to trying anything again.
tod evans
04-14-2014, 06:33 AM
It'd be nice if the people of Clark county elected a constitutional sheriff by the time the BLM got around to trying anything again.
I look for these federal low-lifes to "try something" sooner than later.
They couldn't be bothered to interrupt beer-n-brats with family and friends over the weekend but now that their work week is upon them it'll be face saving time.
Can't be having a bunch of uppity rednecks getting out of hand....:rolleyes:
otherone
04-14-2014, 06:40 AM
Can't be having a bunch of uppity rednecks getting out of hand....:rolleyes:
Especially when one has unlimited resources, unlimited hubris, and a moral obligation to uphold the "law" of the land.
America.Fuck.Yeah.(tm)
tod evans
04-14-2014, 07:17 AM
"These people" must be named and exposed!
There are enough pictures of the governments agents floating around it's time to put names and addresses to the faces.
If these people are comfortable waging war on Americans it's only right that Americans know when they mobilize...
You can bet your ass "they" already have the names and addresses of every man, woman and child who stood with the Bundy family....
Looks like the Canadian media has started; :D
‘Frame’ BLM’s Neil Kornze in a poster before BLM returns to Bundy Ranch
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62404
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The high-handed, armed sniper-backed Bureau of Land Management, which retreated from Cliven Bundy’s Nevada ranch on Saturday, will be back. BLM will be back because they never go away. Their harassment campaigns against hard-working land owners and ranchers goes back more than 20 years.
For 20 long years, BLM members have worked non-stop at what boils down to trying to frame Rancher Cliven Bundy.
It is time to ‘frame’ Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid point man Neil Kornze. Frame him in the kind of poster that identified cattle rustlers down at the local post office in days of yore. That way, Kornze no longer rides the drifted plains as a faceless bureaucrat but as someone everyone can readily identify as the perp.
Postering Kornze brings him out of the bureaucratic hide-y-hole known as the present day BLM and puts him where he belongs—at the head of the agency that is robbing ranchers of their way of life.
Kornze joined the BLM in 2011 and has been leading the agency as principal deputy director for the past year. Some 71 senators—including 16 Republican ones—installed him to his seat of power. Only 28 senators—all Republican—cast votes against him.
Republican Senator Dean Heller-Nev, who voted for Kornze’s confirmation, was, over the weekend, decrying the restriction of First Amendment protests, saying it “tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution”, a switcheroo he seems to have so far gotten away with.
The territory of which 71 senators put Kornze in charge includes more than 245 million acres of public land nationwide—with 48 million acres located in Nevada.
Many protesters who came to the rescue of Cliven Bundy in Bunkerville were spurred to answer the call of justice because they believe it is not the Desert Tortoise BLM used as an excuse to remove Bundy’s cattle but the Harry Reid-sanctioned Western Solar Plan.
“Kornze was a key player in the development of the Western Solar Plan and the agency’s successful authorization of more than 10,000 megawatts of renewable energy, surpassing a congressionally-established goal 3 years ahead of schedule. He has also been active in tribal consultation, especially as it relates to oil and gas and renewable energy development. (Dept. of the Interior)
“In 2012, investigative reporter Marcus Stern blew open a deal Reid and his son had arranged with a Chinese company to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert. The BLM helpfully expressed its opinion that trespassing cattle would need to be removed in order to make way for the deal. Although the project ultimately failed, it represents part of a pattern by Reid to seize land to give to special interests in order to benefit himself, his family and campaign contributors. Similarly, in 2010, Reid’s campaign received thousands of dollars in donations from a Texas wind farm’s backers, which Reid rewarded with $450 million in federal stimulus funds. ()
The following description of the Western Solar Plan comes directly from the BLM website:
The Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (PEIS) for solar energy provides a blueprint for utility-scale solar energy permitting in the states of Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Utah, the Department of the Interior stated.
The Solar PEIS will establish solar energy zones in each state, with access to existing or planned transmission, incentives for development within those zones and a process by which the Department of the Interior can consider additional zones and projects.
According to the Department of the Interior, an initial set of 17 Solar Energy Zones, totaling about 285,000 acres of public lands, serve as priority areas for commercial-scale solar development.
According to a map of the Solar Energy Zones, much of the land selected—153,627 acres—is in the state of California. Most of that is in the Riverside East Zone in the Palm Springs-South Coast/Riverside area.
Nevada is second behind California in regards to zoned acres, with 60,395. Nevada also has the most designated solar zones, with five. Colorado follows, with four zoned locations.
The areas were selected for their solar resources, access to existing or planned transmission and relatively low conflict with biological, cultural and historic resources.
If fully built out, the department stated, projects in these areas could provide up to 23,700 megawatts of energy—enough to power 7 million homes.
The final PEIS was released in July, featuring a comprehensive analysis of the lands in these states that are most suitable for solar energy development, according to the Department of the Interior. The analysis was done in partnership with the Department of Energy and the locations identified were Bureau of Land Management areas.
Salazar signed the Record of Decision that finalizes the PEIS while at an event in Las Vegas with Senator Harry Reid, the department noted.
“Energy from sources like wind and solar have doubled since the President took office,” Salazar said, “and with today’s milestone, we are laying a sustainable foundation to keep expanding our nation’s domestic energy resources.”
Kornze doesn’t just walk zombie-like in the footsteps of Harry Reid, he walks the walk of the United Nations and its takeover plan of the USA known as Agenda 21.
Because Bunkerville is right in the backyard of CFP columnist/former Las Vegas city councillor Steve Miller, patriots waiting for the inevitable return of BLM have an ace in the hole.
Gutsy Miller tracks crime and corruption for AmericanMafia.com, where he takes on crime and corruption in present day Las Vegas, reporting under the motto: “What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas”.
To Miller, tracking the misdeeds of BLM is a piece of cake.
“What happened in Nevada on the weekend, happened right here in my own backyard,” Miller told Canada Free Press last night.
“BLM is supposedly doing this in the name of cows and turtles which is a slap in the face to any thinking person.”
Not a peep from the hypocritical radical environmentalists and their animal rights activist sidekicks about the cruelty of the feds in running off Bundy’s cattle: The feds flew helicopters overhead to chase the cattle, knowing full well it could cause them to collapse from running in the 90-degree heat.” (TownHall April 14, 2014)
Miller said the protesters who flooded in to the Bundy Ranch from California, Arizona, Montana, Utah and other states recreated a scene straight out of the Old West.
“They came by horseback carrying guns and flags, taking us back to the day when neighbors were neighbors and sheriffs were sheriffs.
“Some of my friends lost their properties to Eminent Domain as many as 10 to 15 years ago.
“Other ranchers sold out, but Bundy’s not going anywhere.
“If BLM comes back, we’ll still be here,” Miller said.
pcosmar
04-14-2014, 07:37 AM
Not sure if this was before after the cows were set free but what's said in the video sounds like it was after.
I believe that was when they were moving out.
Another video as they were getting ready to release the cows,, they counted 83 vehicles on one side of the highway..
BLM had a lot of resources there.
Carlybee
04-14-2014, 07:49 AM
Even Anonymous was pulling for Bundy.
Anti Federalist
04-15-2014, 03:07 PM
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I was one of the honkers! Got there on the I-15 overpass 5 mins after the cows were released. (I stopped and talked to a few folks.)
It was a great feeling seeing everyone happy. But some are concerned that after the melee clears, they will be back in a few weeks or so.
So, on the way back by this AM (5 AM PST), the BLM area where the cattle pen was, and the north underpass were still both brightly lit up with the United Rentals "rent a light"... (right of center of pic below) So they are still there as of this AM, maintaining a hold on their camp. It was a lot of them all blazing too....
http://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/cliven-bundy-bunkerville-nevada.jpg?w=550&h=367&crop=1
torchbearer
04-16-2014, 04:28 PM
BLM are ducks on the pond in their current location.
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