Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks

[RonPaulFanInGA]

http://www.westernjournalism.com/talk-radio-party-tea-party/


The Tea Party zealots who haven’t learned from their mistakes in 2010 and 2012 are trying their best to screw up the GOP’s chances to win the Senate this fall.

Where does the Tea Party find these people to run in primaries? Most important, why do they offer them up as legitimate Republican candidates?

The Tea Party bosses have been listening to too much talk radio. They seem to think that what makes a good Republican candidate is someone who sounds like a talk radio host.

But talk radio is all about bombast and attracting callers, not about winning elections.

If Republicans are going to win general elections in 2014 and beyond, we’ve got to put up principled conservative candidates who sound like senators, congressmen, and governors — not kooks.

[jkr]

SHUT UP
"MICHAEL REGAN"
YOUR DAD
WAS A DEMON-
CRAT

[euphemia]

He has a point. Unless libertarians learn to listen and frame their message in a sane and sober way, we are going to lose. Again. Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.

[erowe1]

Michael Reagan doesn't fathom that some people might not care about Republicans winning elections.

[euphemia]

And they might not. However, sounding like a bunch of anarchists in a nation that is constitutionally run by rule of law is not helpful to the message. Spewing hate about the military is not becoming of someone who hopes to be Commander in Chief. Scorning police does not sound like someone whose responsibility is to carry out the law.

Frame the message in a reasonable and logical way. Show what is wrong with the system and what needs to change. Explain how that will happen. Ronald Reagan's promise to bring certain things before Congress in the first 100 days was something people heard, understood, and wanted.

"As soon as I take the oath of office, I will ask Congress to immediately withdraw our troops from the Middle East and have them home by May 1."

"As President, I will not authorize our troops to do anything but defend our nation and our borders."

"Once I'm elected, I will not sign new legislation until these things have been repealed [fill in the blank] and these departments have been dismantled [fill in the blank]"

"We will return to the Constituional requirement that Congress passes a budget every year."

[mad cow]

The Tea Party bosses have been listening to too much talk radio. They seem to think that what makes a good Republican candidate is someone who sounds like a talk radio host.

But talk radio is all about bombast and attracting callers, not about winning elections.



"Michael Edward Reagan (born John Flaugher; March 18, 1945) is a former American radio host and author. His nationally syndicated radio show, The Michael Reagan Talk Show, aired on stations throughout the United States on the Premiere Radio Networks, before it moved to Radio America."

I dunno.He sounds bombastic to me.

[Cleaner44]

Michael Reagan is a radio host
talk radio is all about bombast
bombast is high-sounding language with little meaning, used to impress people


Why should anyone care what Michael Reagan says?

[Weston White]

Say, I think we should just flip this, see it is all about image and perception. Like a marketing strategy, primetime television has accomplished such feats many times over, e.g., the pretty girls are only into the stupid, but funny, and yet handsome males; the popular kids only wear the currently stylish clothes, must own a cellphone, and have access to a vehicle; having a LGBT or “minority” friend around makes one totally cool just because; etc.

A couple of ideas:

Kooks and conspiracy nuts at least they are fun to talk to.
Government studies prove that kooks are highly creative.
7 out of 10 psychologists agree that for increased mental health you should converse with at least one kook a day.
Market tinfoil wearing bobble-head kook figures.
When it comes to kooks, at least you know they will be straight with you.
Kooks, chemtrails and GMO scare them, but grassroots and Internet talk shows they love.
Every surf the Inter-Webs with a kook?

[LibertyEagle]

He has a point. Unless libertarians learn to listen and frame their message in a sane and sober way, we are going to lose. Again. Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.

This is very true.

[LibertyEagle]

Michael Reagan doesn't fathom that some people might not care about Republicans winning elections.

Then why are they running for office?

[Carlybee]

Michael Reagan is a radio host
talk radio is all about bombast
bombast is high-sounding language with little meaning, used to impress people


Why should anyone care what Michael Reagan says?

I don't. He sounds like an asshole.

[Ender]

And they might not. However, sounding like a bunch of anarchists in a nation that is constitutionally run by rule of law is not helpful to the message. Spewing hate about the military is not becoming of someone who hopes to be Commander in Chief. Scorning police does not sound like someone whose responsibility is to carry out the law.

Frame the message in a reasonable and logical way. Show what is wrong with the system and what needs to change. Explain how that will happen. Ronald Reagan's promise to bring certain things before Congress in the first 100 days was something people heard, understood, and wanted.

"As soon as I take the oath of office, I will ask Congress to immediately withdraw our troops from the Middle East and have them home by May 1."

"As President, I will not authorize our troops to do anything but defend our nation and our borders."

"Once I'm elected, I will not sign new legislation until these things have been repealed [fill in the blank] and these departments have been dismantled [fill in the blank]"

"We will return to the Constituional requirement that Congress passes a budget every year."

Ah, yes- Ronald Reagan, the charismatic liar.

And when's the last time DC actually went by the Constitution and by rule of law?

[Dogsoldier]

So the tea party is run by libertarians?

I don't think so. The heart of conservatism is libertarianism.-Reagan....

As far as libertarian ideas kooky. The non aggression principle, no victim=no crime, self ownership, respect for property rights....Yea...that's just kooky. This Socialism that we have now is far better...Who needs rights...


Rino's and democrats are on the same team. They want the same things. They are working towards the same goals.

If you want something to be different you HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!!

Voting for the same thing over and over again expecting different results IS the definition of insanity. You ARE LITERALLY INSANE!

Now...tell me how you feel about what just happened there...

[SeanTX]

I don't. He sounds like an asshole.

He is. The last time I listened to him (years ago) he was smugly bragging about how he exaggerated some medical problem to avoid being drafted during Vietnam. Of course he's all for the neocon wars, and probably was all for the Vietnam War too, just so long as he himself didn't have to participate.

[qh4dotcom]

So the tea party is run by libertarians?

I don't think so. The heart of conservatism is libertarianism.-Reagan....

As far as libertarian ideas kooky. The non aggression principle, no victim=no crime, self ownership, respect for property rights....Yea...that's just kooky. This Socialism that we have now is far better...Who needs rights...


Rino's and democrats are on the same team. They want the same things. They are working towards the same goals.

If you want something to be different you HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!!

Voting for the same thing over and over again expecting different results IS the definition of insanity. You ARE LITERALLY INSANE!

Now...tell me how you feel about what just happened there...

I could not agree with you more.

[donnay]

And they might not. However, sounding like a bunch of anarchists in a nation that is constitutionally run by rule of law is not helpful to the message. Spewing hate about the military is not becoming of someone who hopes to be Commander in Chief. Scorning police does not sound like someone whose responsibility is to carry out the law.

Frame the message in a reasonable and logical way. Show what is wrong with the system and what needs to change. Explain how that will happen. Ronald Reagan's promise to bring certain things before Congress in the first 100 days was something people heard, understood, and wanted.

"As soon as I take the oath of office, I will ask Congress to immediately withdraw our troops from the Middle East and have them home by May 1."

"As President, I will not authorize our troops to do anything but defend our nation and our borders."

"Once I'm elected, I will not sign new legislation until these things have been repealed [fill in the blank] and these departments have been dismantled [fill in the blank]"

"We will return to the Constituional requirement that Congress passes a budget every year."



I would rather live with anarchy than tyranny. Most of the Bureaucrats don't follow the rule of law. They have disregarded the constitution long ago.

I am a proud crazy kook who loves liberty, if that offends Sir Michael Reagan then let him move to a country where Royalty is bowed to by the peasants.

[erowe1]

However, sounding like a bunch of anarchists in a nation that is constitutionally run by rule of law is not helpful to the message.

Which nation is that?

[Dianne]

Which nation is that?

LOL, I was wondering the same thing.

[Badger Paul]

"But talk radio is all about bombast and attracting callers, not about winning elections."

Spoken like someone who knows what he's talking about. :rolleyes: Needless to say the Reagan children aren't exactly little bundles of political success.

[JK/SEA]

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[JK/SEA]

He has a point. Unless libertarians learn to listen and frame their message in a sane and sober way, we are going to lose. Again. Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.

so...WE have to sound and act more like establishment republicans?....huh?....wtf....yeah, great strategy. Status quo works just great eh?

if thats whats for sale, i ain't buying...i'm past the point of going along to get along, and if that translates into electing the same ol' cowboys, then have fun beating your head on that wall. Do you hear me Collins?

[Cap]

And they might not. However, sounding like a bunch of anarchists in a nation that is constitutionally run by rule of law is not helpful to the message. Spewing hate about the military is not becoming of someone who hopes to be Commander in Chief. Scorning police does not sound like someone whose responsibility is to carry out the law.


Satire...right?

[jclay2]

If my memory serves, Michael Reagan is a huge liberal democrat (despite being the son of President Reagan). This is the last guy we need to be taking advice or even acknowledging.

[GunnyFreedom]

He has a point. Unless libertarians learn to listen and frame their message in a sane and sober way, we are going to lose. Again. Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.

It's not Liberty that is saying crazy stuff, it's Tea. You ever heard a Liberty person say "women don't get pregnant if it's a legitimate rape" because I sure haven't. :)

[Brian4Liberty]

He has a point. Unless libertarians learn to listen and frame their message in a sane and sober way, we are going to lose. Again. Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.


And they might not. However, sounding like a bunch of anarchists in a nation that is constitutionally run by rule of law is not helpful to the message. Spewing hate about the military is not becoming of someone who hopes to be Commander in Chief. Scorning police does not sound like someone whose responsibility is to carry out the law.


I must have missed where most of these "tea party" candidates did any of the above.


Remember Christine O’Donnell in Delaware?

She defeated U.S. Rep. Michael Castle in the GOP primary for an open Senate seat. Then she had to spend all fall explaining to voters why she was not a witch.

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/talk-radio-party-tea-party/

O'Donnell was ridiculed on religious grounds, not libertarian ideas.


In 2010, two other shaky Tea Party-backed primary victors, Sharron Angle in Nevada and Ken Buck in Colorado, suffered similar fates in the general election.

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/talk-radio-party-tea-party/

What did Buck and Angle do that was so "kooky"? And was it a "libertarian" or "anarchist" idea?


Richard Mourdock went on to say some really stupid things about abortion and got his butt whipped in the fall, 50-44.

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/talk-radio-party-tea-party/

What does that have to do with "libertarian" ideas?


And of course, who can forget the great Todd Akin, the Republican House member from Missouri who was going to defeat Sen. Claire McCaskill — until he started blathering about “legitimate rape” and his campaign tanked.

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/talk-radio-party-tea-party/

I must have missed the "legitimate rape" seminar in libertarian circles.

[Brian4Liberty]

Michael Reagan: Shut Up Tea Party, Your Candidates Are Kooks

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/talk-radio-party-tea-party/

Michael Reagan, shut up, you and Karl Rove lose almost every election you get involved in.

[euphemia]

Satire...right?

Not even a little bit. A libertarian does not come out of a vacuum. There must be a principled set of ideas that can be clearly communicated to voters. Reagan is a good example. So is Dr. Paul. Incapsulate and communicate the message, or you all will be sitting right here in November 2016 scratching your heads and wondering how you lost. Again.

Get back to your basics and get those ideas out there.

[Carlybee]

He is. The last time I listened to him (years ago) he was smugly bragging about how he exaggerated some medical problem to avoid being drafted during Vietnam. Of course he's all for the neocon wars, and probably was all for the Vietnam War too, just so long as he himself didn't have to participate.


typical chickenhawk

[Cleaner44]

Its funny that the leading GOP presidential candidate, Rand Paul, is also the leading tea party member of Congress.

Most of the "kooks" that give the GOP a bad name are social conservatives that say stupid things about rape and such. Of course there are also those "kooks" like McCain and Graham that think the answer to every question is "Bomb the FUCK out of them!" and those guys certainly aren't tea party fellows.

Additionally the whole tea party name is somewhat meaningless when many tea party people are just typical Republican voters that supported Santorum or Romney even though they are extremely opposed to the tea party.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Why should anyone give a shit what this jerkoff says? If anything, his blather shows that we're doing a good job.

[Ender]

Not even a little bit. A libertarian does not come out of a vacuum. There must be a principled set of ideas that can be clearly communicated to voters. Reagan is a good example. So is Dr. Paul. Incapsulate and communicate the message, or you all will be sitting right here in November 2016 scratching your heads and wondering how you lost. Again.

Get back to your basics and get those ideas out there.

Reagan was a LIAR.

Ron Paul is not- and most MSM has tried to shut his message up. He LOST because of the MSM, in cahoots with neocons- plus the pirating of the GOP convention.

Learn a little before you start spouting about "a principled set of ideas".

[euphemia]

Reading comprehension issues? I'm talking about getting the message into a focused, logical form, and communicating it clearly to the voters. Reagan was very good at that. Dr. Paul is good at it.

This is now. People are learning that the MSM lies. They are connected and looking for alternatives. They don't see alternatives because libertarians can't seem to settle on a concise, unified message. This week was something of a victory, but it doesn't communicate much in terms of a political message that will play in an election year.

If someone doesn't step up by the start of 2015, we are sunk. Again.

[Anti-Neocon]

I doubt this is an attack on the libertarian Tea Partiers.

Remember when he took the side of Rand over Cruz regarding his father? I think he really hates Cruz.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

If my memory serves, Michael Reagan is a huge liberal democrat (despite being the son of President Reagan). This is the last guy we need to be taking advice or even acknowledging.

Ron Reagan, Jr., the biological son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a huge liberal democrat, atheist, etc., etc.

Michael Reagan, the adopted son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a conservative, or at least always plays one on talk radio and Fox News.

[samforpaul]

Interesting points made in the Comments Section following Reagan's article.

[samforpaul]

At least Michael didn't say he thought all of the Tea Partiers should be "lined up and shot" as said towards another group of people a few years ago.

[jclay2]

Ron Reagan, Jr., the biological son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a huge liberal democrat, atheist, etc., etc.

Michael Reagan, the adopted son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a conservative, or at least always plays one on talk radio and Fox News.

Thanks for the correction. Looks like all of his children are snakes. lol

[euphemia]

Libertarians need to find a way to communicate their message with conviction and winsomeness. Name calling is neither.

[Vanguard101]

He has a point. Unless libertarians learn to listen and frame their message in a sane and sober way, we are going to lose. Again. Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.

I was beginning to worry about this site. We have to characterize our views in a sane way. Let's face it. It's politics. Even if it wasn't, an individual could easily get the wrong ideas about our views. I think it's safe to say that we have to accept that a voluntary society will never exist. However, that doesn't mean a near free society won't. Government taking over is bad but at least we could argue that we would rather have it in some places instead of others. I would rather have universal healthcare over the corruption and the wars we have. Half the stuff that these socialists and statists propose isn't really that bad if you are someone like Nader or Dennis. We should promote "Soft-Libertarian" which really just means focusing on a few issues.

[Suzanimal]

Ron Reagan, Jr., the biological son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a huge liberal democrat, atheist, etc., etc.

Michael Reagan, the adopted son of Ronald W. Reagan, is a conservative, or at least always plays one on talk radio and Fox News.

Nah, he just plays one on TV.


During the 2012 elections, Reagan endorsed and actively campaigned [3] for Democratic congressman Brad Sherman a pro-choice Congressman [4] who is considered a liberal member of Congress.[5] [6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Reagan

[Philhelm]

Frame the message in a reasonable and logical way. Show what is wrong with the system and what needs to change. Explain how that will happen. Ronald Reagan's promise to bring certain things before Congress in the first 100 days was something people heard, understood, and wanted.

"As soon as I take the oath of office, I will ask Congress to immediately withdraw our troops from the Middle East and have them home by May 1."

"As President, I will not authorize our troops to do anything but defend our nation and our borders."

"Once I'm elected, I will not sign new legislation until these things have been repealed [fill in the blank] and these departments have been dismantled [fill in the blank]"

"We will return to the Constituional requirement that Congress passes a budget every year."

The problem is that all of the above is considered to be kooky.

[unknown]

Michael who?

Seriously, should I know who this guy is?

[JK/SEA]

Libertarians need to find a way to communicate their message with conviction and winsomeness. Name calling is neither.

i think the BLM heard the message.

end thread.

[Acala]

Ideas and principles have to be communicated logically and well.

Please tell me when was the last time that logic and clearly articulated principles won a national election in the USA. You think that is what is needed because that is what works for YOU. But you are not in the majority. Not even close. The majority of people are NOT swayed by logic, but by emotion. Look around. Emotion rules both the democratic and republican electorate and always has. Human beings are by-and-large driven by emotions, not reason. If you want to win elections, figure out how to present a liberty platform in a way that moves people emotionally. Reason and adherence to principle will never appeal to more than a very small minority.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Nah, he just plays one on TV.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Reagan Oh, so is this why Michael Reagan hasn't been on FOX NEWS CHANNEL/NEWSCORP? I haven't seen him in quite some time... It's all Fascism today and those individual profiteers on the state from creating and continuing the divide in the fabricated MATRIX.

[satchelmcqueen]

si im supposed to listen to what reagan says because why? I AM RON PAUL mother fucker!!!!! you cannot kill an idea whos time has come.

[JustinTime]

Reading comprehension issues? I'm talking about getting the message into a focused, logical form, and communicating it clearly to the voters. Reagan was very good at that. Dr. Paul is good at it.

This is now. People are learning that the MSM lies. They are connected and looking for alternatives. They don't see alternatives because libertarians can't seem to settle on a concise, unified message. This week was something of a victory, but it doesn't communicate much in terms of a political message that will play in an election year.

If someone doesn't step up by the start of 2015, we are sunk. Again.

I understand what you are saying, we need politicians who are open about what the beleive in, but good at articulating it.

But, for the record, I think most "Tea Party" (thats the MSM's label, not mine) are quite good at articulating their message.

The problem is the MSM itself, they do two things to destroy good candidates A) pluck soundbytes out of context and make them sound nuts, and replay, replay, replay until someones ruined in the eyes of the majority, B) use labels like "Tea Party" and "Republican" to conflate genuine freedom loving candidates with fake neocon types, and make it seem like we are hypocrites.