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Miss Annie
04-09-2014, 06:42 PM
Very interesting little article!

Dramatic, Little Known GOP Rule Change Takes Choice Of Presidential Candidate Away From Rank And File Republicans And Hands It To Party Elite

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/07/dramatic-little-known-gop-rule-change-takes-choice-of-presidential-candidate-away-from-rank-and-file-republicans-and-hands-it-to-party-elite/

There’s an unspoken storm brewing in the Republican Party—a storm whose seeds were planted in the first days of the 2012 Republican National Convention.

For those who may not recall those late August days in 2012, the Republican Party arrived in Tampa dedicated to creating a seamless launch for the national presidential campaign of its standard bearer, Governor Mitt Romney, and to do all it could to insure at least the appearance of a united party as it moved toward the November election.

To make that happen, Chairman Reince Priebus—along with a number of national committee members on the Mitt Romney bandwagon—made the determination that anyone or anything associated with libertarian Ron Paul was bad news for the GOP’s chances and, as such, were to be avoided at all costs.

To meet that goal, Paul was denied an opportunity to speak at the convention unless he promised to allow the RNC to edit his speech.

But that wasn’t all. An additional condition for obtaining some recognition at the convention for Paul and his followers required that Dr. Paul be willing to publicly endorse the candidacy of Gov. Romney.

These were conditions the Texas Republican was unwilling to accept, preferring to simply see his name left out of nomination.

With Paul refusing to play ball, the RNC moved to reject Paul’s delegates from Maine and further refused to hear the challenges put forth to the slate of delegates chosen in other states that the Paul folks strenuously believed had been rigged to benefit Governor Romney. One such state was Nevada where the caucus rules were such that all 28 delegates arrived at the convention pledged to cast their nomination votes for Mitt Romney, yet, when polled, revealed that 22 of the 28 intended to cast their vote for Ron Paul.

But there was something else the Committee did to insure that Ron Paul would receive no love whatsoever from the delegates who filled the Tampa convention center—something that would get little in the way of publicity but would come complete with serious consequences not only to future candidates but to those who desire to express their choice for their party’s nominee through the primary process.

Led by Romney loyalist and pitbull GOP lawyer Ben Ginsberg, the RNC made changes in the rules that would not only insure an orderly convention for the front-runner in 2012 but would make it extremely difficult—if not completely impossible—for an intra-party challenge to be mounted against a President Romney in 2016.

Apparently, it never occurred to the majority of the Rules Committee that there might not be a President Romney in 2016 to protect.

Take a look at how Republican National Committee Rule No. 40(b) read before the 2012 convention changes:

“Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a plurality of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

Simply put, the rule meant that any candidate for the GOP presidential nomination who showed up at the convention with the largest number of delegates in five states—or was able to twist enough arms at the convention to achieve a plurality of delegates in five states—was entitled to have his or her name placed in nomination at the convention.

Recall that Ron Paul had officially accomplished at least a plurality of the delegates from four states (Iowa, Maine, Minnesota and Louisiana) and appeared to have enough delegates from Nevada, Iowa, Washington, Colorado and Missouri ready to vote for him at the convention to provide a plurality of votes in some, if not all, of these states.

As a result, it seemed pretty clear that Paul would have crossed the threshold, under Rule 40(b), to have his name placed into nomination—something that appeared to terrify the one-time Massachusetts Governor and the leadership of the Republican Party.

But the Romney and GOP honchos had an ‘app’ for that—simply amend Rule 40 in such a way as to insure that only Mitt Romney would have a sufficient number of states in his corner to have his name placed into nomination while additionally assuring that there could be no serious primary challenge to his presidency in 2016.

And that is precisely what the rules committee did.

Rather than only requiring a candidate to have a plurality of the delegates from five states in order to have one’s name placed into nomination, the rule was changed to require a candidate to have a majority of delegate votes in at least eight states as a prerequisite to nomination.

Under the new rule, only Mitt Romney would meet the test for nomination assuring that there would be no Ron Paul problem.

While this might worked out nicely for those controlling the GOP convention in 2012, the amended rule now poses a serious change in how the game is to be played in 2016. What’s more, given that the rule cannot be changed until the next round of delegates arrive at the convention in 2016 and the Rules Committee convenes to establish the new rules of the convention, the Republicans are stuck with what they have wrought in 2012.

And that represents a very significant problem for anyone who believes the voters should have something to say about their party’s nominee or those who don’t favor a convention where the bosses and delegates get to decide who is the nominee, irrespective of what home state Republicans might have to say.

Based on the RNC issued memo in 2011 ruling that ‘winner-take-all’ elections will only be permitted when a candidate receives a majority of the votes cast in the primary battle, and given the deep bench of candidates likely to seek the 2016 GOP nomination, it seems unlikely that there are going to be a whole lot of states producing majority wins for candidates.

Thus, a Republican candidate who receives 49 percent of the vote in a “winner-take-all” state will not be permitted to get 100 percent of the state’s delegates. And that means it is an almost certainty that there will not be a candidate walking into the GOP convention with the requisite eight states producing a majority of delegates supporting a candidate now required to have one’s name placed into nomination.

The rule will also dramatically change the way the primary game is played.

Given the large field of GOP candidates that appear to be gearing up for the 2016 fight, regionally or ideologically defined candidates will know, as they go through the primary process, that all they need do is deny their opponents a majority of delegates in a state contest. By playing defense when the state doesn’t line up in a candidate’s direction, all of the major candidates stand to arrive at the convention with nobody in a position to have their name placed into nomination, meaning that there is going to be one hell of a free-for-all in the 2016 Rules Committee meeting!

So, why not just change the rule to avoid this problem?

According to the GOP rule book, the rule cannot be changed until the Republican National Committee holds its convention meeting in 2016. Unlike 2012 when Governor Romney had sufficient delegate strength to stack the rules committee, absent a candidate emerging with the capability to achieve majority wins in states throughout the nation, the 2016 rules committee gathering will bear representatives from the many candidates still in the game—meaning anything can happen.

While RNC officials are downplaying the situation, the fact is that the rule adopted in 2012 virtually guarantees that the 2016 primaries will become a tangle of deals between candidates, delegates and party bosses, even as the primaries continue.

What will one candidate offer another to entice a competitor to back out of the race in order to create a majority opportunity in a state? How many candidates will hang on to the bitter end, just for the chance to blow up the convention and, thereby, create a chance to become the nominee even when the primary votes of the public say otherwise?

By seeking to rig their 2012 convention (performances by Clint Eastwood aside), the GOP has set a trap for itself that is likely to have a significant effect on their 2016 chances…and party leadership seems to want to pretend that the problem doesn’t exist.

It does…and as when we arrive into the early summer months of 2016, Republicans will begin to discover just how serious a problem this is.

ClydeCoulter
04-09-2014, 06:52 PM
I hope it turns out so, unless Rand gets a majority in the majority of the states.

rpfocus
04-09-2014, 06:55 PM
*Chuckle* Oh, Forbes. "Little known?" Some of us are well aware of the scams during 2012 pulled from the GOP Book of Dirty Tricks.

FindLiberty
04-09-2014, 07:19 PM
Maybe that's why it's called the "stupid party" by many Libertarians.

brandon
04-09-2014, 07:28 PM
That is interesting. I can't wait for campaign season to get started.

mrsat_98
04-09-2014, 07:49 PM
Hey Mods Can you fix the title of this thread to "why Obama is President".

John F Kennedy III
04-09-2014, 09:13 PM
RON Paul 2016!

Mani
04-09-2014, 09:26 PM
The cynic in me feels this problem is just going to create a bigger need for certain GOP elitists to make up new rules and deals to guarantee they get who they want and make it less and less of an actual nomination process.


It's pretty sad. Maybe the good thing that will come out of it, is if the public begins to see what a farce the whole thing is, because the GOP will be having a harder time to "PRETEND to play by the rules."

Matt Collins
04-10-2014, 12:03 AM
Thank you for posting this... that is a fascinating conclusion.

DamianTV
04-10-2014, 01:36 AM
Foot. Shot. Mission Accomplished.

And for the record, I was there at the Nevada GOP Convention, we had 25 of the 28 candidates.

I was also there in 2008 when they found that Ron Paul was winning all the delegates, they walked out on their own convention to prevent ANY delegates from being nominated.

The GOP is corrupt to the core.

tod evans
04-10-2014, 03:22 AM
Hey Reince Priebus;

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/hangmans-noose-in-a-tree-bryan-mullennix.jpg

http://dynamichedge.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/pitchforks-torches-mob.jpg

compromise
04-10-2014, 03:53 AM
*Chuckle* Oh, Forbes. "Little known?" Some of us are well aware of the scams during 2012 pulled from the GOP Book of Dirty Tricks.

I guess they mean little known by the general population.

PattyFromTexas
04-10-2014, 08:12 AM
I was a staunch republican, middle class, middle age sheeple who supported the party until the day I saw that bumper sticker "Google Ron Paul" and woke up. I am still a registered republican, but only because I want to vote in the primaries. I no longer support the party, because of THIS^^ I'm still angry about the way the RNC cheated, lied, changed the rules, assaulted our delegates sending an elderly chairman to the ER with a dislocated hip, the way they turned off microphones, and lights and had our people arrested. I'm still absolutely outraged that they got away with it all. I'll never, ever forget.

DamianTV
04-10-2014, 03:14 PM
I was a staunch republican, middle class, middle age sheeple who supported the party until the day I saw that bumper sticker "Google Ron Paul" and woke up. I am still a registered republican, but only because I want to vote in the primaries. I no longer support the party, because of THIS^^ I'm still angry about the way the RNC cheated, lied, changed the rules, assaulted our delegates sending an elderly chairman to the ER with a dislocated hip, the way they turned off microphones, and lights and had our people arrested. I'm still absolutely outraged that they got away with it all. I'll never, ever forget.

Every Republican should have been pissed about this.

It shouldnt matter if they were Ron Paul supporters or not. If they understood that the pure corrupt aggression from the system can only backfire on them in the future, they would have seen the truth that the changes were to support one propped up candidate. Yet so many cried for more corruption and more potential for abuse that I truly wonder if people want freedom at all.

jllundqu
04-10-2014, 03:55 PM
NEVER FORGET

http://targetfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AyesHaveIT-Teleprompter4x.jpg

Carlybee
04-10-2014, 04:04 PM
I got a form letter from Rance the other day basically saying to either send in my donation or they will assume I am leaving the party. I threw it in the trash. Might be a better way to keep people than issuing a shitty nice ultimatum.

HOLLYWOOD
04-10-2014, 04:23 PM
Your choices have already been picked... this below says it all to 'Establishment Party of One'

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Carson
04-10-2014, 06:30 PM
I really don't see how the crap they pulled can go against them. I mean I'll never forget it but most people, I suspect, are just going to shine it on.

Both parties pulled a phony vote that turned over who gets to pick who runs to the people that had been picking.

It is either of their choices Kang or Kodos.

We're going to have to find another way to be heard other than at the polls.

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/thebegining/Blues_Brothers_L.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/thebegining/wolverine.jpg

muh_roads
04-10-2014, 06:32 PM
Bookmarked.

If people ask why I don't care to vote, crap like this makes a good reference.

Carson
04-10-2014, 06:32 PM
NEVER FORGET

http://targetfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AyesHaveIT-Teleprompter4x.jpg

Yeah that's it right there!



You can't even escape that sort of treatment by going to the Democrats. They treat people the same way.

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/morestuff/AngryMob.jpg

Carson
04-10-2014, 06:38 PM
I got a form letter from Rance the other day basically saying to either send in my donation or they will assume I am leaving the party. I threw it in the trash. Might be a better way to keep people than issuing a shitty nice ultimatum.

Hell! The party left us! He can hug a nut.

otherone
04-10-2014, 07:24 PM
The party will never win again without having a Liberty candidate. We won't vote for either a Republocrat OR a Demblican. The GOP screwed the pooch.

DamianTV
04-10-2014, 08:44 PM
I really don't see how the crap they pulled can go against them. I mean I'll never forget it but most people, I suspect, are just going to shine it on.

Both parties pulled a phony vote that turned over who gets to pick who runs to the people that had been picking.

It is either of their choices Kang or Kodos.

We're going to have to find another way to be heard other than at the polls.

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/thebegining/Blues_Brothers_L.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/thebegining/wolverine.jpg

They think it wont backfire on them, but what happens when their current requirements prevent them from being able to nominate any frontrunner at all?

We cant quit at the polls. Not because they supress our voices and our votes, but because our message continues to spread.

One of the mistakes people make is saying its only about Ron Paul and it isnt. It is about the message that he carries. Freedom. Liberty. Balance. Representation. Fairness. Equality. Accountability. Responsibility. Cooperation. If we stop carrying these messages, then we are no better than the corrupt that we are so opposed to. If we put guns to peoples heads and told them to vote for Ron Paul, I would stop supporting the movement. Why? Because its exactly what they are doing.

We win by continuing to fight on EVERY front. We lead by example. Others may not listen to our words, but when they see us standing by our principles that we say we uphold, we draw in more and more that decide for themselves who they want to support. When they see Free Market principles fixing problems instead of Govt intervention, more people take notice of Free Market. But we have to continue to do this on every front.

The odds are against us and the deck is completely stacked. The game has been rigged in their favor. Our actual chances of success are still very low, but it is only when we stop thinking about our chance of success that we stand a real chance of winning.