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Constitutional Paulicy
03-31-2014, 10:49 AM
I teach at a local university here in Taiwan. Some of my students have left Hualien for Taipei. They are informing the other students here on campus of their participation in the protests and in turn they share with me what their friends are encountering. It's been two weeks of constant media coverage here, yet little press in the states.

Here is a brief summary of the past events as well as current events underway as it now stands.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDUaCHzp3Ds

Sunflower Student Movement


Legislative chamber's occupation
Protesters occupying the parliamentary chamber

On March 18 around 9:00 p.m. local time, crowds of students, academics, civic organizations and other protestors climbed over the fence at the legislature and entered the building. In the melee, one window of the Legislative Yuan was smashed and a police officer suffered serious injuries. A lawyer who was assigned to the protesters stated that six individuals had been arrested over the protest so far. While several hundred protesters remained outside the building, about 300 protesters occupied the legislative floor overnight and succeeded in preventing several attempts by police to expel them. The protesters demanded that the clause-by-clause review of the agreement be reinstated, otherwise they vowed to occupy the legislature until March 21, when the Yuan had scheduled to vote and pass the CSSTA. As night approached, the authorities cut water and electricity to the building. Premier Jiang Yi-huah ordered riot police be sent in to evict the protesters, but that directive was not implemented.[8][23]

Shortly after the movement began, thousands of riot police from the National Police Agency were mobilized across the country to surround the protesters.[24][25] On March 20, Legislative Speaker Wang Jin-pyng promised not to use force on the protesters.[26]

On March 21, Speaker Wang refused to meet with President Ma Ying-jeou and Premier Jiang Yi-huah to discuss a response, citing the president should listen to the people and a compromise is needed between the lawmakers first.[27] Premier Jiang met with demonstrators outside the legislature on March 22 but stated that the executive branch had no intention of dropping the trade pact.[2] At a press conference on March 23, President Ma restated his resolve in passing the trade pact and affirmed he did not act according to orders from Beijing.[28][29]
Executive bureau occupation and eviction
Protesters occupying the Executive Yuan

In response to the press conference, a group of protesters stormed and occupied the Executive Yuan around 7:30 p.m. local time on March 23.[30] The protesters were evicted from the Executive Yuan with high-pressure water cannons by 5:00 a.m. on March 24, but some congregated again on Zhongxiao East Road.[31] During the 10-hour eviction process, around 1000 riot police and other law enforcement personnel allegedly used excessive force, including water cannon and baton strikes to the head against the nonviolent protesters, while journalists and medics were ordered to leave.[32] More than 150 people were injured and 61 were arrested.[33] The Association of Taiwan Journalists accused the police of using violence against the media during the eviction process and violating freedom of the press, citing more than 10 cases of attacks on media reporters.[34]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower_Student_Movement

alucard13mm
03-31-2014, 02:47 PM
Hong kong is with you, taiwan.

fisharmor
03-31-2014, 03:01 PM
Well....... Americans certainly have no right to make jokes about the size of Chinese balls anymore.
Particularly not when trade agreements aren't even in the top 10 list of things we ought to be smashing windows about.

PRB
03-31-2014, 03:13 PM
Hong kong is with you, taiwan.

too bad Hong Kong is not a country.

eduardo89
03-31-2014, 03:33 PM
too bad Hong Kong is not a country.

Neither is Taiwan according to the US.

ChristianAnarchist
03-31-2014, 03:36 PM
too bad Hong Kong is not a country.

WHAT exactly IS a "country"?? (It's a loaded question)...

PRB
03-31-2014, 04:18 PM
WHAT exactly IS a "country"?? (It's a loaded question)...

an area with borders, military and a seat in the UN, or, for shorter, an area with sovereignty and self determination, not owing taxes to another government.

Constitutional Paulicy
04-01-2014, 03:05 AM
Found a descent article in English that describes the sentiment of the protesters in this movement...


http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i6UhBdr8pRpk.jpg

Is China Losing Taiwan?
By William Pesek
Mar 31, 2014 6:01 PM ET


Ma should shelve the China deal for now. His argument that backing out would undermine Taiwan's economy and international credibility pales in comparison to the need to preserve the island's hard-won democracy. Yes, China is Taiwan's largest trading partner and Ma's economy has been hit hard by the demise of the personal computer, on which the island largely bet its future. Clearly, alienating Beijing carries costs.

But so does a policy that depends on China's goodwill. Taiwan's sophisticated economy has more in common with those of the U.S. and Japan than China, and it should ink more free-trade pacts with developed nations, like the one recently signed with New Zealand. Its human capital, infrastructure and financial resources give Taiwan the leverage to move up the value-added ladder in the search for the next game-changing technology. That's the only way Taiwan is going to maintain or improve its per capita income of about $39,000 -- not by selling TVs and PCs to Chinese.

more here.... http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-03-31/is-china-losing-taiwan

MRK
04-01-2014, 03:08 AM
You're in Taiwan? I stopped by there last month, and I would've taken you out for a beer had I known. Taipei's cool. I didn't make it outside the city, but next time!

Constitutional Paulicy
04-01-2014, 03:15 AM
You're in Taiwan? I stopped by there last month, and I would've taken you out for a beer had I known. Taipei's cool. I didn't make it outside the city, but next time!

The majority of the island is spectacular in the countryside and coastal areas. The inner-cites leave something to be desired. I enjoy nature and avoid the city. Always have. So next time you pay a visit, come to Hulaien. It's the tourist destination for trips to Taiwan. If you make it out again, PM me beforehand and I'll introduce you to the area and the expat community here.

MRK
04-01-2014, 03:24 AM
The majority of the island is spectacular in the countryside and coastal areas. The inner-cites leave something to be desired. I enjoy nature and avoid the city. Always have. So next time you pay a visit, come to Hulaien. It's the tourist destination for trips to Taiwan. If you make it out again, PM me beforehand and I'll introduce you to the area and the expat community here.

That sounds good, I also prefer the rural to the urban. I've been thinking about going back and forth between Hong Kong and Taiwan every 90 days for the visa runs. I can't quite afford to do that now, but when I can, that's my plan. Right now I'm in Vietnam. The cost of living here is very affordable. Chinese culture and people are definitely great though.

ChristianAnarchist
04-02-2014, 08:55 AM
an area with borders, military and a seat in the UN, or, for shorter, an area with sovereignty and self determination, not owing taxes to another government.

A country is a legal fiction on par with a corporation. It exists only in the minds of the people. The People are flesh and blood and it's always people who carry out actions and make communication. A "country" does not have flesh and cannot carry out actions or make communication. People do that in the "name" of a country. It's the same as if I gathered together a bunch of armed men and claimed that we were the "Army of Santa Clause" and showed you a stack of documents claiming that "we" formed the Santa Clause government with a constitution and bill of rights. Does that mean our "army" has "authority" to kill flesh and blood people??

Constitutional Paulicy
04-07-2014, 09:58 PM
Great news. An important battle was won and a movement is on the march. :D


http://img1.cna.com.tw/Eng/WebEngPhotos//CEP/20140407/201404070034t0001.jpg

Student protesters tout achievement of having appeals met
2014/04/07 22:43:01


Chen Wei-ting, one of the movement's leaders, said on Monday after announcing the withdrawal that the students had exceeded their expectations by having two draft bills on overseeing agreements between Taiwan and China submitted to the Legislature.

They have also secured a pledge from Legislative Speaker Wang Jin-pyng to enact an oversight bill before lawmakers review the controversial trade-in-services pact that Taiwan and China signed in June 2013 but has yet to be ratified by the Legislature., he said.

As for the movement's future, Chen said it has built up momentum and turned into a full-blown social movement, and he hoped its influence would spread across the country.

He also said the students hoped to reach out to grassroots communities by holding lectures, gatherings and online forums to promote the enactment of a law on monitoring cross-strait agreements and their opposition to the trade-in-services pact.

more here... http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aipl/201404070034.aspx

Constitutional Paulicy
04-15-2014, 12:17 PM
VICE did some nice coverage of this. It more or less puts it in perspective....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zojh-rnctVw#t=21

dannno
04-15-2014, 12:51 PM
The majority of the island is spectacular in the countryside and coastal areas. The inner-cites leave something to be desired. I enjoy nature and avoid the city. Always have. So next time you pay a visit, come to Hulaien. It's the tourist destination for trips to Taiwan. If you make it out again, PM me beforehand and I'll introduce you to the area and the expat community here.

Holy crap, can you tell me where all these places are?!?!

http://www.bluebirdboarding.com/images/from_blog/hollow.jpg

http://cdn2.coresites.mpora.com/surferspath/wp-content/uploads/old_images/readers-waves/all/Photo-Jonathan-Yan,-Wu-shi-harbor,-Yilan,-Taiwan-1.jpg

http://www.bluebirdboarding.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/twty.jpg

http://cdnimages.magicseaweed.com/news/10386.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTaN5SPNtcKnRlkdCgBpXPVHBBDjpF2 B40-YR-gW0NEVDtJTIB

http://www.wannasurf.com/spot/Asia/Taiwan/houbihu/photo/photo_surf_Taiwan_houbihu_460d6404c163b.jpg

http://i.cdn-surfline.com/travel/2011/09_september/destination_taiwan/full/21shieldtaiwan2719.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7cMfsJjCLhbAzpEkz1bCos3vhoZhyr 5Sl0Ar_XAk3tT1r7lbU

http://surfingtaiwan.com/gallery/surfingtaiwan_south-6.jpg

http://www.swellnet.com/sites/default/files/styles/swellnet_large_1024x768/public/galleries/images/cmoonwalkerphotos-surftaiwan-img_6046.jpg?itok=hMfjWczw

Constitutional Paulicy
04-15-2014, 01:07 PM
Holy crap, can you tell me where all these places are?!?!

http://www.bluebirdboarding.com/images/from_blog/hollow.jpg

http://cdn2.coresites.mpora.com/surferspath/wp-content/uploads/old_images/readers-waves/all/Photo-Jonathan-Yan,-Wu-shi-harbor,-Yilan,-Taiwan-1.jpg

http://www.bluebirdboarding.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/twty.jpg

http://cdnimages.magicseaweed.com/news/10386.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTaN5SPNtcKnRlkdCgBpXPVHBBDjpF2 B40-YR-gW0NEVDtJTIB

http://www.wannasurf.com/spot/Asia/Taiwan/houbihu/photo/photo_surf_Taiwan_houbihu_460d6404c163b.jpg

http://i.cdn-surfline.com/travel/2011/09_september/destination_taiwan/full/21shieldtaiwan2719.jpg

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7cMfsJjCLhbAzpEkz1bCos3vhoZhyr 5Sl0Ar_XAk3tT1r7lbU

http://surfingtaiwan.com/gallery/surfingtaiwan_south-6.jpg

http://www.swellnet.com/sites/default/files/styles/swellnet_large_1024x768/public/galleries/images/cmoonwalkerphotos-surftaiwan-img_6046.jpg?itok=hMfjWczw

Hmm... Hard to say from the images. One of them is definitely Fongbin and another is Jici. I surf both those spots. One of them looks like an off the beat break between Yilan and Taipei but I could be wrong.

Mani
04-15-2014, 10:05 PM
That sounds good, I also prefer the rural to the urban. I've been thinking about going back and forth between Hong Kong and Taiwan every 90 days for the visa runs. I can't quite afford to do that now, but when I can, that's my plan. Right now I'm in Vietnam. The cost of living here is very affordable. Chinese culture and people are definitely great though.


Let me know when you are in HK, we'll grab a beer.

And I will definitely give Constitutional Paulicy a pm when I make it out to Taiwan.

Constitutional Paulicy
04-16-2014, 01:06 AM
Let me know when you are in HK, we'll grab a beer.

And I will definitely give Constitutional Paulicy a pm when I make it out to Taiwan.

Sounds good Mani. :)