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DamianTV
03-28-2014, 03:50 PM
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/after-seven-years-exactly-one-person-gets-off-the-govt-no-fly-list/


A hearing in federal court Tuesday has apparently marked the conclusion of a drawn-out, costly, and, to use the judge’s own term, “Kafkaesque” legal battle over the government no-fly list. Malaysian college professor Rahinah Ibrahim sued the government back in 2006, after Dr. Ibrahim’s name mistakenly ended up on a federal government no-fly list.

Last month, US District Judge William Alsup ruled that Ibrahim must be removed from the government's various watchlists. At Tuesday's hearing, a Department of Justice lawyer said that the government did not intend to appeal the ruling. The ruling in Ibrahim v. DHS calls into question the government's administration of its controversial no-fly list as well as other terrorist watch lists, but it leaves no clear roadmap for other people wrongly placed on such lists.

Ibrahim's pro bono attorney, Elizabeth Pipkin, has asked for the government to pay more than $3.5 million to cover her legal fees and costs. Alsup didn't rule on that motion, but said that the issue was "not easy," while indicating that Pipkin is unlikely to be entitled to such a large payout.

No recourse

The Ibrahim case marks the first and only successful challenge to the terrorist watch-listing program, which arose following the 9/11 attacks. But Ibrahim's case, as just one of hundreds of thousands of individuals who have been placed on such lists, shows the system's opacity. First, the only surefire way to even determine if one is on such a list in the US is to attempt to board a flight and be denied. Even after that happens, when a denied person inquires about his or her status, the likely response will be that the government “can neither confirm nor deny” the placement on such lists.

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Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

LibForestPaul
03-28-2014, 05:03 PM
No fly list is the most disturbing Orwellian program every to grace these shit land. And no one gives a flying fuck.

DamianTV
03-28-2014, 05:22 PM
No fly list is the most disturbing Orwellian program every to grace these shit land. And no one gives a flying fuck.

People now associate Govt intervention as "Safety". Many absolutely believe the more Govt is involved in something, the "safer" it is. Chains of Obedience...

Danke
03-28-2014, 05:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b_gmO7AJS4&feature=player_embedded

Henry Rogue
03-28-2014, 06:11 PM
Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
The government only invokes The Constitution as the supreme law of the land when it fits it's agenda, everything else it ignores. Sixteenth Amendment = law of the land, Sixth Amendment = ignore.

Scrapmo
03-29-2014, 04:45 AM
No fly list is the most disturbing Orwellian program every to grace these shit land. And no one gives a flying fuck.

They cant give a flying fuck or they will be put on the no fly list. Then they will be reserved to only give driving or walking fucks, if not just plain old fucks.

Scrapmo
03-29-2014, 05:01 AM
Obviously the government is so effective and careful that only one person in 7 years has been put on the no-fly list inadvertently. Now that the system (that totally works by the way) has corrected this minor error, the government is back to batting a thousand with its various blacklist programs.

mrsat_98
03-29-2014, 05:21 AM
No fly list is the most disturbing Orwellian program every to grace these shit land. And no one gives a flying fuck.

I gave up my flying fuck over this Orwellian program that graced this shit land. Don't care to get arrested over what these feces for brains TSA agents are doing.

Acala
03-29-2014, 09:41 AM
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/after-seven-years-exactly-one-person-gets-off-the-govt-no-fly-list/



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Sixth Amendment: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

The problem with applying the sixth amendment here is that it isn't a criminal prosecution. Same with asset forfeiture. Same with punitive damages in civil actions. It is bullshit, of course. We need to expand the protections for criminal defendants to cover ALL government-ordered deprivations of liberty or property.

Anti Federalist
03-29-2014, 09:47 AM
the government's various watchlists

Not just one, citizen...not just one.