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aGameOfThrones
03-27-2014, 05:51 PM
Eye-based lie detection has long been the stuff of research and science fiction, but it's about to become a practical reality in the office. Converus is releasing EyeDetect, a hardware and software combo that helps companies find out if their workers are on the level. The system revolves around an SMI-made camera that monitors pupil dilation as well as the positions of the eyes and head. If you look shifty when answering questions, your supervisors will likely know within minutes. It's not a perfect system; Converus claims 85 percent accuracy, which could allow for occasional false positives. We'll know EyeDetect's real-world usefulness very soon, though, as it's launching in Mexico this April.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/27/converus-eye-tracking-lie-detection/



Cops gonna use this.

DamianTV
03-27-2014, 05:55 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/27/converus-eye-tracking-lie-detection/



Cops gonna use abuse this.

Fixed.

FloralScent
03-27-2014, 06:00 PM
Okay...time to break out the global EMP device and hit the reset button. I like modern conveniences just as much as anyone but technology has gotten out of hand overnight.

Anti Federalist
03-27-2014, 06:23 PM
Okay...time to break out the global EMP device and hit the reset button. I like modern conveniences just as much as anyone but technology has gotten out of hand overnight.

I keep praying for a solar flare of biblical proportions.

No luck so far...

Anti Federalist
03-27-2014, 06:27 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/27/converus-eye-tracking-lie-detection/

Cops gonna use this.

They won't have to.

The corpotocracy will do it for them (Private! Private! They can whatever they want!) and they'll just tap into The Matrix to bust some people when broke or bored, and looking to thump some heads.

osan
03-27-2014, 06:29 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/27/converus-eye-tracking-lie-detection/

Cops gonna use this.

VK test per Blade Runner.

How wonderful.

Henry Rogue
03-27-2014, 06:29 PM
Can it detect disdain?

angelatc
03-27-2014, 06:40 PM
They won't have to.

The corpotocracy will do it for them (Private! Private! They can whatever they want!) and they'll just tap into The Matrix to bust some people when broke or bored, and looking to thump some heads.

So start your own business and don't require the employees to use this system. I'm 50 years old and never taken a single drug test. I intentionally avoid employers who give them, and these days it's just on principle's sake. People who don't like druggies have a right to try to keep their businesses drug free. You can think it is pointless, you can think it's ridiculous and you can even think it's evil. But people should absolutely have the right to run their businesses as THEY see fit.

GunnyFreedom
03-27-2014, 06:49 PM
http://reho.st/http://lovedetective.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/blade-runner3.jpg

HOLLYWOOD
03-27-2014, 06:49 PM
VK test per Blade Runner.

How wonderful.First thing I thought...


A high level of paranoia is present throughout the film with the visual manifestation of corporate power, omnipresent police, probing lights; and in the power over the individual represented particularly by genetic programming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_programming) of the replicants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicant)...

It is symbolic that the man who designed replicant eyes shows the replicants the way to Tyrell. Eyes are widely regarded as "windows to the soul", eye contact being a facet of body language that unconsciously demonstrates intent and emotion and this is used to great effect in Blade Runner. The Voight-Kampff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voight-Kampff) test that determines if you are human measures the emotions, specifically empathy through various biological responses such as fluctuation of the pupil and involuntary dilation of the iris.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Blade_Runner_eye.png

jkr
03-27-2014, 06:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIyfyserYEo

jkr
03-27-2014, 06:54 PM
if yor i offends...uh oh

FindLiberty
03-27-2014, 07:03 PM
Device warranty covers all parts and labor for 2 years but is null and void (and the unit may self-destruct) if it's shipped to, or used at any government institutional street address.

mad cow
03-27-2014, 07:08 PM
Can it detect disdain?

Or Blind Hatred?

VIDEODROME
03-27-2014, 07:37 PM
http://reho.st/http://lovedetective.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/blade-runner3.jpg

Kind of ironic when you think of what Roy Batty did to Tyrell.

GunnyFreedom
03-27-2014, 07:59 PM
Kind of ironic when you think of what Roy Batty did to Tyrell.

One of the (many) reasons why this was such an amazing movie was because of how blurred the lines were between who is the bad guy and who is the good guy. You recoil at what Batty does to Tyrell, then you realize that Tyrell wasn't very sympathetic. And when Batty dies, you're all "damn, I can't tell if he's the hero or the villain right now..."

Mind you, the source material they worked with from Phillip K Dick was gold, but they could have destroyed it and they didn't.

Oh, and there was supposed to be a sequel.

Occam's Banana
03-27-2014, 08:50 PM
Damn! Beaten to the punch on multiple fronts ... (the parallels are kinda obvious ...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umc9ezAyJv0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umc9ezAyJv0


Mind you, the source material they worked with from Phillip K Dick was gold, but they could have destroyed it and they didn't.

Blade Runner is Exhibit A in the case that the movie version of a book can take very great liberties with the particulars and still nail the story perfectly.

David Lynch's Dune, on the other hand, is proof that slavishy faithful book-to-movie reproductions can suck fetid dingos' kidneys ...


Oh, and there was supposed to be a sequel.

I hope there never is. Well enough should be left alone ... and Blade Runner is a HELL of a lot better than just "well enough" ...

Anti Federalist
03-27-2014, 09:41 PM
Hmmm...

I'll have to give Blade Runner another look.

Watched it once, years ago, and don't recall thinking it was any good.

GunnyFreedom
03-27-2014, 09:53 PM
http://img2u.info/img/ga69a099a.png

kcchiefs6465
03-27-2014, 09:56 PM
So start your own business and don't require the employees to use this system. I'm 50 years old and never taken a single drug test. I intentionally avoid employers who give them, and these days it's just on principle's sake. People who don't like druggies have a right to try to keep their businesses drug free. You can think it is pointless, you can think it's ridiculous and you can even think it's evil. But people should absolutely have the right to run their businesses as THEY see fit.
I could assume you've had those jobs before it became a normalcy to piss test everyone.

GunnyFreedom
03-27-2014, 10:04 PM
I could assume you've had those jobs before it became a normalcy to piss test everyone.

You know, interestingly enough, when FedEx first bought Kinkos, everything was going great. Then they enforced a new policy of mandatory drug testing. Literally the top 10% of award-winning production and management employees wee terminated, complaints about quality and turnaround doubled, production quality went to shit. So FedEx decides that they just didn't try hard enough. Now instead of just employment and advancement screening, it was regular and random tests for all. That's when they lost almost every bit of quality skill they had left. So they tried rebranding by eliminating the "Kinko's" name altogether and going with "FedEx Office." Even now, 14 years later, the best FedEx Office has to offer in terms of quality and turnaround does not hold a candle to what Kinko's was doing back in 2000. Some kinds of people that hold certain skillsets are just prone to smoke pot. I don't think FedEx is aware to this day why their quality went to shit, or if they are, I am sure they don't really care.

oyarde
03-27-2014, 10:31 PM
Can it detect disdain?

It cannot tell if I lie , or see the amount of disdain and wrath that I have.

Weston White
03-27-2014, 11:43 PM
Should just stick with water-boarding, it is so much cheaper and vastly more fun; besides it is 100% accurate just ask Dick Cheney.


http://www.forwardprogressives.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Dick_cheney.jpg

ETA:

I agree FedEx/FedEx Office destroyed everything that was great about Kinko's, I really do not go there anymore, except for mailing large packages; but it was 2004 they were bought out and it was after 2008 that they ran with the name change.

Mani
03-28-2014, 12:52 AM
You know, interestingly enough, when FedEx first bought Kinkos, everything was going great. Then they enforced a new policy of mandatory drug testing. Literally the top 10% of award-winning production and management employees wee terminated, complaints about quality and turnaround doubled, production quality went to shit. So FedEx decides that they just didn't try hard enough. Now instead of just employment and advancement screening, it was regular and random tests for all. That's when they lost almost every bit of quality skill they had left. So they tried rebranding by eliminating the "Kinko's" name altogether and going with "FedEx Office." Even now, 14 years later, the best FedEx Office has to offer in terms of quality and turnaround does not hold a candle to what Kinko's was doing back in 2000. Some kinds of people that hold certain skillsets are just prone to smoke pot. I don't think FedEx is aware to this day why their quality went to shit, or if they are, I am sure they don't really care.

Gunny your post absolutely reminds me of something that happened 20 years ago when I was looking for work fresh out of college and applied for a job that I was a bit overqualified for and they had this really long personality test. I was semi-interested in the job, and keeping my options open.


The hiring manager and I went to the same University (she was a couple years older than me), loved my resume, loved my interview, and was just waiting for the results the long personality test. She was so happy to find me she couldn't contain her excitement that well. I'm guessing they were having trouble filling the position and it was a bit below pay and location was kinda crappy.

Well, i took the test honestly, very honestly. And there were a few questions at the end about an employee smoking pot. This was 20 years ago, so i can't remember the exact questions, but it was 2-3 questions, talking about how bad it is to have a pot smoking employee. I COMPLETELY DISAGREED. There was an area to write a comment and in fact I put something like, "One of the most valuable, honest, hardworking coworkers I ever came across smokes pot in his personal time. I disagree in not being able to hire someone known to smoke pot, I would hire this staff member in a heartbeat."


Again I can't recall the exact questions, but it was pretty much saying if you knew a guy smoked pot, you wouldn't hire him right? It's against the law and they are bad people, blah blah. (Mind you 20 years ago, pot smoking was more taboo back then).

And truthfully a very good friend of mine was a pot smoker but an amazing guy and honestly a perfect employee. (20 years later he's the branch manager for a company my brother owns, so it all worked out in the end.)


The funny thing is, this hiring manager was super ecstatic about me during the whole interview process, and then called me and said my personality test was amazing. It was like off the charts honest and awesome, and what not....EXCEPT FOR ONE THING.....

"You answered a couple questions about marijuana....." LOL!!!!!!!!!!!


I then had to clarify I don't smoke marijuana (which I don't, but that's not the point), and she had to give a little HR speech about how it's illegal and blah blah...I said I know that, but from my experience, an employee can still be REALLY amazing, even if they smoke MJ and I wouldn't hesitate to hire someone who's such an amazing employee just because they do that in their personal life. I also disagree with the questions implying an employee like that is bad, when I've seen in my own experience something very different.

LOL, even after all that, My "coming to the defense" of the MJ user, she didn't pursue it any further just explained their policies on how they don't hire people that do that, and since I DON'T it should be OK. She did offer me the job, but I ended up finding something else and turned it down.


At that time I didn't even know what a Libertarian was, I just knew I was an independent and didn't fit in the right/left paradigm and didn't fit into the cookie cutter view of how the world works and what is good vs what is bad.

I also wasn't trying to be confrontational or a prick or anything, I was young and naive and just followed the instructions to answer the questions as truthfully as possible. Looking back I just remember thinking...But I can't agree with this question....LOL...


Back to the OP, this OF COURSE will be used by the state as "REASONABLE CAUSE for SUSPICION" or whatever you call it. Right now a k9 can bark and sniff your butt and you get anal raped, you don't think they aren't gonna use the ole "eye test" says your lying and give them permission to fuck you up?