Charles Koch furious over Ron Paul attracting large youth numbers?

[green73]

The Charles Koch Reaction to the Explosion of Youth Support for Ron Paul

As a follow up to my post, Koch-Funded Student Group Attacks Ron Paul (http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/03/koch-funded-student-group-attacks-ron.html), a friend has called me who has tentacles reaching deep into the Koch organization.

He tells me that Charles Koch was furious when Ron Paul started attracting large numbers of youth during his 2008 and 2012 presidential campaigns. Koch would fume, "I spend all this money attempting to create a youth following and some guy out of the backwoods of Texas, who has no money, is attracting all these youth!"

The Students for Liberty organization is Koch's latest attempt to buy the liberty movement.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/03/the-charles-koch-reaction-to-explosion.html

[Natural Citizen]

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/03/the-charles-koch-reaction-to-explosion.html

"I spend all this money attempting to create a youth following and some guy out of the backwoods of Texas, who has no money, is attracting all these youth!"




This right here is the difference in just trying to hurry up and get elected and actually changing the course of history as the statesman did.

People like Koch will fail...again. As will those who line their pockets/campaigns with his money. It's destiny, you know.

I can't wait until the next cycle because I think we'll see huge turnouts.

[dannno]

Why the Koch Brothers Went After Murray Rothbard
http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/david-gordon/why-the-koch-brothers-went-after-murray-rothbard/

[green73]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/david-gordon/why-the-koch-brothers-went-after-murray-rothbard/

rep!

[Natural Citizen]

The Kochs donated directly to 62 of the 87 members of the House GOP 2010 "freshman class" as well.


The Koch brothers’ congressional empire...

House

Adams, Sandy (R-FL) $5,000 Republican Florida

Barletta, Louis J. (R-PA) $5,000 Republican Pennsylvania

Benishek, Daniel J. (R-MI) $5,000 Republican Michigan

Berg, Rick (R-ND) $5,000 Republican North Dakota

Black, Diane Lynn (R-TN) $2,500 Republican Tennessee

Canseco, Francisco (R-TX) $2,500 Republican Texas

Chabot, Steve (R-OH) $10,000 Republican Ohio

Denham, Jeff (R-CA) $5,000 Republican California

Dold, Robert (R-IL) $5,000 Republican Illinois

Duffy, Sean P. (R-WI) $10,000 Republican Wisconsin

Duncan, Jeff (R-SC) $2,500 Republican South Carolina

Farenthold, Blake (R-TX) $5,000 Republican Texas

Fincher, Steve (R-TN) $10,000 Republican Tennessee

Flores, William (R-TX) $2,500 Republican Texas

Gardner, Cory (R-CO) $10,000 Republican Texas

Gibbs, Bob (R-OH) $5,000 Republican Ohio

Gowdy, Trey (R-SC) $5,000 Republican South Carolina

Griffin, Tim (R-AR) $7,500 Republican Arkansas

Griffith, Morgan (R-VA) $5,000 Republican Virginia

Guinta, Frank (R-NH) $5,000 Republican New Hampshire

Hanna, Richard L. (R-NY) $5,000 Republican New York

Harris, Andy (R-MD) $10,000 Republican Maryland

Hartzler, Vicky (R-MO) $5,000 Republican Missouri

Hayworth, Nan (R-NY) $5,000 Republican New York

Heck, Joe (R-NV) $10,000 Republican Nevada

Herrera, Jaime (R-WA) $5,000 Republican Washington

Huelskamp, Tim (R-KS) $7,500 Republican Kansas

Huizenga, Bill (R-MI) $2,500 Republican Michigan

Hultgren, Randy (R-IL) $5,000 Republican Illinois

Hurt, Robert (R-VA) $5,000 Republican Virginia

Kelly, Mike (R-PA) $5,000 Republican Pennsylvania

Kinzinger, Adam (R-IL) $5,000 Republican Illinois

Lankford, James (R-OK) $5,000 Republican Oklahoma

Long, Billy (R-MO) $1,000 Republican Missouri

Meehan, Patrick L. (R-PA) $7,500 Republican Pennsylvania

Mulvaney, John Michael “Mick’’ (R-SC) $5,000 Republican South Carolina

Noem, Kristi Lynn (R-SD) $5,000 Republican South Dakota

Nugent, Richard B. (R-FL) $2,500 Republican Florida

Palazzo, Steven (R-MS) $5,000 Republican Mississippi

Pearce, Steve (R-NM) $10,000 Republican New Mexico

Pompeo, Mike (R-KS) $10,000 Republican Kansas

Quayle, Ben (R-AZ) $5,000 Republican Arizona

Renacci, James B. (R-OH) $5,000 Republican Ohio

Ribble, Reid (R-WI) $5,000 Republican Wisconsin

Rigell, Scott (R-VA) $5,000 Republican Virginia

Rivera, David (R-FL) $10,000 Republican Florida

Roby, Martha (R-AL) $5,000 Republican Alabama

Ross, Dennis (R-FL) $10,000 Republican Florida

Runyan, Jon (R-NJ) $5,000 Republican New Jersey

Schilling, Bobby (R-IL) $5,000 Republican Illinois

Schweikert, David (R-AZ) $5,000 Republican Arizona

Scott, Austin (R-GA) $5,000 Republican Georgia

Scott, Tim (R-SC) $2,500 Republican South Carolina

Southerland, Steve (R-FL) $5,000 Republican Florida

Stivers, Steve (R-OH) $10,000 Republican Ohio

Tipton, Scott (R-CO) $2,500 Republican Colorado

Walberg, Tim (R-MI) $10,000 Republican Michigan

Webster, Daniel (R-FL) $5,000 Republican Florida

Womack, Steve (R-AR) $2,500 Republican Arkansas

Woodall, Rob (R-GA) $2,500 Republican Georgia

Yoder, Kevin W. (R-KS) $10,000 Republican Kansas

Young, Todd (R-IN) $5,000 Republican Indiana

Senate

Ayotte, Kelly A. (R-NH) $10,000 Republican New Hampshire

Blunt, Roy (R-MO) $10,000 Republican Missouri

Brown, Scott P. (R-MA) $5,000 Republican Massachusetts

Coats, Daniel R. (R-IN) $10,000 Republican Indiana

Hoeven, John (R-ND) $10,000 Republican North Dakota

Johnson, Ron (R-WI) $10,000 Republican Wisconsin

Kirk, Mark (R-IL) $15,000 Republican Illinois

Moran, Jerry (R-KS) $10,000 Republican Kansas

Paul, Rand (R-KY) $5,000 Republican Kentucky

Portman, Rob (R-OH) $10,000 Republican Ohio

Rubio, Marco (R-FL) $10,000 Republican Florida

Toomey, Pat (R-PA) $10,000 Republican Pennsylvania


Source: Center for Responsive Politics.


Bankrolling state politicians

Alabama $43,500

Alaska $38,613

Arizona $5,000

Arkansas $60,500

California $1,149,500

Delaware $1,800

Florida $249,195

Georgia $500,355

Idaho $500

Illinois $11,000

Indiana $2,500

Iowa $131,150

Kansas $478,270

Kentucky $3,500

Louisiana $218,291

Maine $11,100

Michigan $1,500

Minnesota $98,160

Mississippi $163,600

Missouri $2,375

Nebraska $5,000

Nevada $6,000

New Mexico $26,500

New York $274,700

North Carolina $19,000

Ohio $56,050

Oklahoma $197,375

Oregon $141,863

Pennsylvania $39,000

South Carolina $20,700

Texas $740,570

Virginia $273,402

Washington $94,050

Wisconsin $160,185

Total $5,224,803

Source: “KOCH INDUSTRIES Overview Map,” available at http://www.followthe-
money.org/database/natnoteview.phtml?u=1457&y=0&ince=1&incs=1.


Gubernatorial Elections

Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) received $76,000 from the Koch network

Gov. Mary Fallin (R-OK) received $5,000 from the Koch network

Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) received $87,000 from the Koch network

Gov. Terry Branstad (R-IA) received $5,000 from the Koch network

Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) received $43,000 from the Koch network

Gov. Tom Corbett (R-PA) received $5,000 from the Koch network

Gov. John Kasich (R-OH) received $22,000 from the Koch network

Gov. Mike Beebe (D-AR) received $4,000 from the Koch network

Gov. Sam Brownback (R-KS) received $20,000 from the Koch network

Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter (R-ID) received $500 from the Koch network

Gov. Nathan Deal (R-GA) received $15,600 from the Koch network

Gov. Mark Dayton (D-MN) received $250 from the Koch network

Gov. Susana Martinez (R-NM) received $10,000 from the Koch network


Source: National Institute for Money in State Politics


Bankrolling and influencing the U.S. Congress...

House Energy and Commerce Committee - single-largest oil-and-gas donor to members of the committee, giving $279,500 to 22 Republicans on the committee and $32,000 to five of its Democrats.

2010 Midterm Elections - Koch network spent $2.1 million last cycle...almost $2 million of which went to Republicans.

Since 1990 - Koch network has donated $11 million to federal candidates. $9.8 million of which went to Republicans.

Voter-organizing arm of the Koch empire - Americans for Prosperity, The Americans for Prosperity Foundation, FreedomWorks,


Action Groups and Think Tanks - Koch nonprofit organizations records show they have given at least $85.9 million to the following over the last decade...

Cato Institute, Pioneer Institute for Public Policy Research, Citizens for a Sound Economy 2, Environmental Literacy Council, George Mason’s Mercatus Center, Property and Environment Research Center, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, Center for Equal Opportunity,
Heritage Foundation, Institute for Energy Research, Institute for Humane Studies, Atlas Economic Research Foundation, Bill of Rights Institute, Ethics and Public Policy Center, Youth Entrepreneurs of Kansas, Citizens for Congressional Reform Foundation, Institute for Justice, Frontiers of Freedom Institute, Reason Foundation,Texas Public Policy Foundation, National Foundation for Teaching Entrepreneurship,The Phillips Foundation, Federalist Society,John Locke Foundation, Institute for the Study of Human Origins,Fund for American Studies, American Enterprise Institute & Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies, James Madison Institute, Manhattan Institute, John W. Pope Center for Higher Education Policy, Washington Legal Foundation, Young America’s Foundation, Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, Leadership Institute, Foundation for Research on Economics & the Environment, American Council on Science & Health, Competitive Enterprise Institute, Laffer Center for Global Economic Growth, National Center for Policy Analysis, Association of Private Enterprise Education, American Legislative Exchange Council, Commonwealth Foundation for Public Policy Alternatives, Capital Research Center, Center for Independent Thought, Tax Foundation,National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) Legal Foundation, Independent Women’s Forum, Carbon Dioxide & Global Change Center, International Foundation for Research in Experimental Economics,Mackinac Center for Public Policy, Acton Institute, Market Based Management Institute, Fraser Institute, Media Institute, Pacific Research Institute, Heartland Institute, American Council for Capital Formation, Goldwater Institute, George C. Marshall Institute, Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation, Libertarian Review Foundation, Americans for Tax Reform, Students in Free Enterprise, Buckeye Institute for Public Policy Solutions, Center for Excellence in Education, Center for Freedom & Prosperity Foundation,Ayn Rand Institute, National Tax Limitation Foundation,International Policy Network, North Carolina Institute for Constitutional Law, Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, Free Enterprise Education Institute, Atlantic Legal Foundation, South Carolina Policy Council for Political Economy, Center for Individual Rights, Media Research Center, Texas Justice Foundation, Future of Freedom Foundation, Foundation for Economic Education, Pacific Legal Foundation, National Taxpayers Union Foundation, Foundation for Human Development, Institute for Policy Innovation, American Spectator, Critical Review Foundation, Galen Institute, Hudson Institute

Source: Tax records for the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation, David H. Koch Charitable Foundation, and the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, available at guidestar.org for 2009 and compiled on Media Matters Action Network website for prior years.


Koch Industries:

Flint Hills Resources, LP - markets petroleum products, including asphalt, base oils, gasoline, jet fuel, diesel, and heating oils.

The Koch unit operates refining complexes in Alaska (North Pole), Minnesota(Pine Bend Refinery in Rosemount), and Texas (Corpus Christi). In addition,Flint Hills Resources also operates the Wisconsin pipeline, which carries products from the company’s Twin Cities-area refinery to terminals in Junction City, Waupu, Madison, and Milwaukee, and operates the MSP Airport line that delivers jet fuel to the Minneapolis/St. Paul airport. In Texas, the unit operates the Texas Pipeline system, which runs from Corpus Christi to the San Antonio, Austin, Bastrop, Waco, and Dallas/Fort Worth markets, and the DFW Airport line that delivers jet fuel from the Fort Worth-area terminal to the Dallas/Fort Worth airport. Flint Hills also operates ethanol plants in Menlo and Shell Rock, Iowa, that pro-duce 220 million gallons of ethanol annually. It is a leading producer of chemicals and related products with manufacturing facilities in Illinois, Michigan, and Texas.

It has an interest in a base lube oil facility in Louisiana as well as interests in a biodiesel feedstock development company in California. According to its website, Flint Hills produces fuels that power most of Texas, the Midwest, and the Alaska interior. The asphalt it produces is used across the Midwest and Alaska.

Koch Supply & Trading, LP - Koch Supply & Trading provides risk management in crude oil, refined petroleum products, natural gas, and other commodities. The company is an indirect subsidiary of Koch Industries. Koch Supply & Trading has locations in Houston, New York City, and Wichita as well as London, Geneva, Singapore, India, and the Netherlands.

According to its website, products traded by Koch Supply & Trading include: crude oil; refined products and derivatives; natural gas liquids; natural gas, power, and emissions; metals; financials including foreign currency, interest rates, and exchange-traded commodities; and freight.

Koch Pipeline Company - Koch Pipeline Company is an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries. Many of the pipelines and terminal facilities it operates are owned by Flint Hills Resources. Koch Pipeline owns or operates 4,000 miles of pipeline to 5 Center for American Progress Action Fund | the Koch Brothers transport crude oil, refined petroleum, natural gas liquids, and other chemicals. It
operates proprietary and common carrier crude oil pipelines that deliver to refining centers in the Midwest and Texas.

Koch Pipeline operates the 540-mile South Texas system, which moves domestic crude oil to Corpus Christi. And units of the Koch subsidiary own pieces of other pipelines. For instance, the Koch Alaska Pipeline owns 3 percent of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System, and another Koch company owns 28 percent of the Colonial Pipeline Company.


Georgia-Pacific - Georgia-Pacific became a wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries in 2005 after the two brothers paid $21 billion to take over the company and take it private. Georgia-Pacific is a manufacturer and marketer of “tissue, packaging, paper, pulp, and building products and related chemicals.”

Georgia-Pacific’s North American brands include: Quilted Northern (toilet paper), Angel Soft (toiletpaper), Brawny (paper towels), Sparkle (paper towels), Soft ‘n Gentle (toiletpaper), Mardi Gras (paper towels), Vanity Fair (paper napkins), and the Dixie
brand of tabletop products.

Georgia-Pacific has facilities in 27 states, including 25 in Georgia; 18 in Florida; 14 in Mississippi; 13 in California and Oregon; 10 in Arkansas and North Carolina; nine in Texas; eight in Alabama, South Carolina, and Wisconsin; seven in Virginia; five in Michigan and Tennessee; four in Ohio; three in Iowa, Pennsylvania, and Washington; two in Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, New
Jersey, and New York; and one in Massachusetts, Oklahoma, and West Virginia.

INVISTA B.V. - INVISTA, formerly DuPont Textiles and Interiors, is an independently managed but wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries. Koch subsidiaries acquired INVISTA from E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company in 2004 and it was combined with Koch affiliate KoSa. INVISTA is a producer of nylon, span- dex, and polyester polymers and fibers. The materials go into clothing, carpets,
luggage, plastic bottles, and car interiors. Its products include LYCRA fiber, STAINMASTER carpet, ANTRON carpet fiber, and COOLMAX fabric.

Koch Chemical Technology Group, LLC - Koch Chemical Technology Group and its affiliates manufacture and sell pollution-control equipment. Affiliates include: Koch-Glitsch, LP; Koch Membrane Systems, Inc.; Koch Heat Transfer Company, LP; John Zink Company, LLC; Optimized Process Designs, Inc.; and Koch Knight LLC.

Koch Mineral Services, LLC - Koch Minerals and its affiliates are among the largest dry-bulk commodity handlers. It markets or trades 40 million tons of product per year. Koch Minerals also has direct or indirect subsidiaries that collectively are one of the world’s largest
producers and marketers of nitrogen fertilizers.

Those companies include: Koch Nitrogen Company (Koch Fertilizer), LLC; Koch Nitrogen International, Sárl and Koch Fertilizer Canada.
Koch Nitrogen and its affiliates have personnel in Wichita; Brandon, Manitoba; Geneva; London; Cayman Islands; Paris; and Beijing.
They also have international operations and interests in Venezuela, Manitoba, and Trinidad and Tobago.

Matador Cattle Company - Matador Cattle Company is a key division of Koch Agriculture Company and an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Koch Industries.

The company operates ranches that together comprise 425,000 managed acres, of which 240,000 are deeded acres, and support 15,000 cattle in production herds.

It operates three ranches: Beaverhead in Montana, Matador in Texas, and Spring Creek in Kansas.

Given the array of industries in which Koch Industries is involved, from energy to agriculture to timber, all of which fall under government oversight, what agency is in charge of regulation and what regulations are enforced are of great importance to the companies’ bottom line.

Since Koch Industries deals in commodity trading, for example, they have a business interest in whether the Commodity Futures Trading Commission has the resources to ensure oil speculators play by the rules. And given its oil-and-gas interests, they have a business interest in whether the Environmental Protection Agency has the resources to crack down on polluters to ensure public health.


Source: “Koch Industries, Inc. - Locations,” available at http://www.kochind.com/locations.asp.

[green73]

This right here is the difference in just trying to hurry up and get elected and actually changing the course of history as the statesman did.

People like Koch will fail...again. As will those who line their pockets/campaigns with his money. It's destiny, you know.

I can't wait until the next cycle because I think we'll see huge turnouts.


They may fail to get certain people elected...but who knows how successful they will be at throwing wrenches in the works (of Freedom).

[William Tell]

Pfffttt. Typical annoying Wenzel
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/libertarian-group-comes-out-against-ron-paul-on-russia

[green73]

Pfffttt. Typical annoying Wenzel, he fails to mention that the group he is referencing is NOT calling for intervention. They don't like Russia, so what?

"Reached by phone, Students for Liberty spokesperson Frederik Roeder said that the group was not calling for U.S. intervention in Ukraine, but that “we think that it’s important to condemn what Russia’s doing.”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/libertarian-group-comes-out-against-ron-paul-on-russia

Wake up, man!

[William Tell]

Wake up, man!
I don't know much about the group, I was just pointing that out.

[GunnyFreedom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

[Natural Citizen]

I don't know much about the group, I was just pointing that out.

Seems like the group doesn't know much about the timeline of events leading up to this so called interference from Russia.

We have a rather meticulous timeline here some place. I made sure of it. From the beginning. And practically by the minute when the shtf.

Perhaps I'll try to find it and bump it up. It's buried some place. Heh...whoda thunkit. :rolleyes:

[acptulsa]

Yo, Koch. You're giving all those Congressmen you bought got money. All the kids you tried to buy got was brainwashing too stupid to believe.

Which would impress you more?

[Natural Citizen]

"Students For Liberty", an arm of Charles Koch's numerous recruiting, training and networking operations ...$48,500 received from Koch foundations 2009-2011.

Btw, green, you should tag your thread. Of course, good luck with that since I think you'll be hard pressed at being able to add a Koch Industries tag. Or even Koch for that matter.

May find corruption on the list though. Fascism, possibly. Disinformation or malfeasance? Not probable.

[compromise]

Yo, Koch. You're giving all those Congressmen you bought got money.

I'd much rather Koch buy them than Soros and the Hollywood liberals. Without the funding of the Koch Brothers, their associates and other similar donors, there would be no American right.

The Kochs gave both Amash and Massie $10k in 2012. If the liberty movement hate them, then they will not support us. I am glad that Young Americans for Liberty is working with the Koch groups like FreedomWorks, Cato and SFL for a freer America.

[specsaregood]

The Charles Koch Reaction to the Explosion of Youth Support for Ron Paul
As a follow up to my post, Koch-Funded Student Group Attacks Ron Paul, a friend has called me who has tentacles reaching deep into the Koch organization.

A feel good back patting post all based around the supposed claim of an unnamed source with "tentacles reaching deep into the Koch organization." Sounds credible to me.

[kathy88]

I'd much rather Koch buy them than Soros and the Hollywood liberals. Without the funding of the Koch Brothers, their associates and other similar donors, there would be no American right.

The Kochs gave both Amash and Massie $10k in 2012. If the liberty movement hate them, then they will not support us. I am glad that Young Americans for Liberty is working with the Koch groups like FreedomWorks, Cato and SFL for a freer America.

Left/Right paradigm bought hook, line and sinker. Check. They are a two headed monster with the same goals, just different approaches. Until we get over this hatred for the left, we will not progress.

[cajuncocoa]

Left/Right paradigm bought hook, line and sinker. Check. They are a two headed monster with the same goals, just different approaches. Until we get over this hatred for the left, we will not progress.
And let's not overlook the not-so-subtle message that all of "our" representatives are owned by either one of two people, Soros or Koch.

[William Tell]

Left/Right paradigm bought hook, line and sinker. Check. They are a two headed monster with the same goals, just different approaches. Until we get over this hatred for the left, we will not progress.

We need to elect people who actually appose the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto. We are living under them now.

[cajuncocoa]

I wonder how many members of RPF were sent here and paid for by Koch.....

[specsaregood]

I wonder how many members of RPF were sent here and paid for by Koch.....

There were 6 of them; but they got laid off when the anarchists ended up doing a better job of pushing their agenda.

[donnay]

Left/Right paradigm bought hook, line and sinker. Check. They are a two headed monster with the same goals, just different approaches. Until we get over this hatred for the left, we will not progress.

Absolutely!

[cajuncocoa]

There were 6 of them; but they got laid off when the anarchists ended up doing a better job of pushing their agenda.
Nah, they're still here. I heard he gave them an incentive package to try harder.

[seyferjm]

Daniel McAdams and Justin Raimondo both wrote up really good responses to McCobin's piece, well done and not overly emotional sounding ones.

[philipped]

Anybody wanna point out any good and if any bad in the Koch brothers being involved in SFL, YAL, FreedomWorks and all those other things? I see the difference in putting money in the politicians themselves, and how that can create a problem, but what about the groups?

[twomp]

I'd much rather Koch buy them than Soros and the Hollywood liberals. Without the funding of the Koch Brothers, their associates and other similar donors, there would be no American right.



Translation = go go Team Red. I'm not upset my country is being fked. I'm upset it's not being fked by Team Red.

[Athan]

I wonder how many members of RPF were sent here and paid for by Koch.....
SEND ME A CHECK GUYS! I'm POOR AS FUUUUUUUUUU
(Not a little one though. Don't be stingy)

[ClydeCoulter]

He laments, "Money can't buy me love!"

[angelatc]

Yo, Koch. You're giving all those Congressmen you bought got money. All the kids you tried to buy got was brainwashing too stupid to believe.

Which would impress you more?
The Koch brothers give our candidates lots and lots and lots of money and support. Most of those "brainwashed" kids grow out of their philosophical fantasies and as adults, vote for candidates that one of the two parties puts forth.

Divisive noise like this is why it is left-wing libertarians who are the real enemy. We spent all of 2007 wishing and hoping we had a billionaire to finance our candidates - when one shows up, all the perennially malcontent philosophical leftists can do is bitch bitch bitch, and call those of us with a lick of sense paid shills.

[angelatc]

This right here is the difference in just trying to hurry up and get elected and actually changing the course of history as the statesman did.

.


Assuming you're referring to the founders, they were also good at building coalitions - which is why we had men like Jefferson, Adams and Hamilton all fighting the same battle.

Ladies like you would have been there bitching about whether Jefferson was pure enough to inherit the Adam's legacy while decrying the massive infusion of French financing, insisting that anybody who disagreed with you was a British spy.

Fortunately, they steamrolled your ilk then.

[jllundqu]

This right here is the difference in just trying to hurry up and get elected and actually changing the course of history as the statesman did.

People like Koch will fail...again. As will those who line their pockets/campaigns with his money. It's destiny, you know.

I can't wait until the next cycle because I think we'll see huge turnouts.

+ REP


"An idea who's time has come cannot be stopped by any Army or ANY GOVERNMENT!"

--Ron Paul

[Ronin Truth]

I wonder how many members of RPF were sent here and paid for by Koch.....
Hey, where's my check. I'm not really for sale but I can be rented on a short term basis. :D

[compromise]

I wonder how many members of RPF were sent here and paid for by Koch.....

Have you donated $10k each to Amash and Massie and $17k to Rand?

[angelatc]

Left/Right paradigm bought hook, line and sinker. Check. They are a two headed monster with the same goals, just different approaches. Until we get over this hatred for the left, we will not progress.

You guys go ahead without me them, because the leftists do not share the same goals that we do. They want to use the government to battle the corporations, while we want to use the corporations to battle the government.

Go tell me the last time one of these guys posted an article bashing the Soros influence or union propaganda.


They are not here to advance "our" cause - they're here to advance theirs.

[donnay]

The Koch brothers give our candidates lots and lots and lots of money and support.

Divisive noise like this is why it is left-wing libertarians who are the real enemy.

:rolleyes:

So would you feel the same way if George Soros gave them money too?

This is nothing more than playing both side against the middle--keeping the illusions of one side is better than the other. When they clearly aren't at the root. Step out of the box and stop being so blinded by the phony left/right paradigm.

These people became billionaires not because they're lucky but because they were allowed to be, so long as they toe the line. If they step out of line and they will be crushed. If you research the top "trusts' going back 100 years you will see how the Koch's acquired their money.

‘The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves’ ~ Vladamir Lenin

[cajuncocoa]

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1947466_10152280523107726_426846893_n.jpg

[angelatc]

Nah, they're still here. I heard he gave them an incentive package to try harder.

Here's what Bryan said about that: (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?32994-There-are-no-trolls-here)


In many forums there are often individuals who decry others as "troll" and the like. While this may be mildly entertaining and accurate, there are often problems with this tactic to maintaining good community decorum.

My personal philosophy is that there are no trolls, there is just troll behavior. Claiming someone to be a troll assumes you understand the intent of the poster, in our case here, if they are truly a supporter of Dr. Paul or not.

Here at RPFs.com, in this campaign of freedom and peace we do not want to assign people into groups such as if they really support Dr. Paul or not or if they are a troll or not. However, if there is disruptive behavior it should be dealt with. It doesn't manner if the people truly support Dr. Paul or not- we can never really know that but we can study and understand how individuals deceptively engage in troll behavior to incite disruptions against our campaign objectives (different than healthy debate and disagreement). The goal of the forum guidelines and sub-forum structure has been crafted to best deal with issues of disruptive behavior to the forum community and they can continue to be refined, suggestions are always welcome:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22

Some people argue that we should quickly ban disruptive users, in some cases it may be justified but in other cases if we banned Dr. Paul supporters who are engaging in postings that are possibly harmful to the campaign they'd just go elsewhere and continue to do the same. So in my view, it is an asset to the campaign for the more wise and politically experienced users to help lead the way.

As Bradley in DC stated so wonderful in his "Supporters taking it to the next level" marquee piece: we are the leaders and ambassadors - we need to act like it.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22808


Thank you, and good day. :)

I would venture that calling everybody who disagrees with you a paid shill is pretty much the same thing.

[compromise]

:rolleyes:

So would you feel the same way if George Soros gave them money too?

This is nothing more than playing both side against the middle--keeping the illusions of one side is better than the other. When they clearly aren't at the root. Step out of the box and stop being so blinded by the phony left/right paradigm.

These people became billionaires not because they're lucky but because they were allowed to be, so long as they toe the line. If they step out of line and they will be crushed. If you research the top "trusts' going back 100 years you will see how the Koch's acquired their money.

‘The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves’ ~ Vladamir Lenin

"If you've got a business, you didn't build that" - Barack Obama

Fred Koch's scientific talents were how he became rich. He found a way to crack the hydrocarbons in crude oil more efficiently, allowing him larger profit margins. Big oil were furious.

[angelatc]

:rolleyes:

So would you feel the same way if George Soros gave them money too?



If George Soros started funding Justin Amash, I'd strongly consider doing extreme sexual favors for the old man.

ETA: My husband would strongly consider allowing it.

[angelatc]

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1947466_10152280523107726_426846893_n.jpg


Thanks you for making my point, even if you had to use a low quality picture from a fictional tale to do so. You are not fighting the same fight we are.

[donnay]

"If you've got a business, you didn't build that" - Barack Obama

Fred Koch's scientific talents were how he became rich. He found a way to crack the hydrocarbons in crude oil more efficiently, allowing him larger profit margins. Big oil were furious.


You don't understand the control that the Federal Reserve has created. Do some research, and you may be surprised.

[donnay]

If George Soros started funding Justin Amash, I'd strongly consider doing extreme sexual favors for the old man.

ETA: My husband would strongly consider allowing it.

Oh I see you will cheer on anyone who supports your team--got it.

[acptulsa]

You guys go ahead without me them, because the leftists do not share the same goals that we do. They want to use the government to battle the corporations, while we want to use the corporations to battle the government.

Oh do 'we' now? And which is less of a fool's errand?


They are not here to advance "our" cause - they're here to advance theirs.

Who can you not say that about?

Considering the OP shows them whining about Ron Paul's influence, it's good you put "our" in quotes. Are you talking about Ron Paul's side or the Koch's?

I think the OP demonstrates that the Kochs themselves see some other schism here than 'left' and 'right'. This being Ron Paul Forums, why are you surprised we tend not to be on the Koch side of this? I'm glad they're using campaign contributions to a couple of good candidates for cover (assuming it's not an attempt to buy them; I guess we'll see if they start voting the Koch way and/or whether these contributions dry up). But I don't think Obamacare indicates that corporations and the government are actually on opposite sides of anything anywhere except in the minds of certain seriously delusional voters.

[angelatc]

Oh do 'we' now? And which is less of a fool's errand?



Who can you not say that about?

Considering the OP shows them whining about Ron Paul's influence, it's good you put "our" in quotes. Are you talking about Ron Paul's side or the Koch's?

He didn't "show them" doing anything. He mentioned a rumor he heard, and inserted it as a fact.

The OP is making an unsubstantiated claim. I work on campaign finance - I have worked with people who work with the the Koch brothers, and one of them told me that they are excited about the passion and enthusiasm the Ron Paul supporters bring to the movement.

Neither of us can produce anybody to substantiate either of those claims. Although I would assert the fact that they're still funding FreedomWorks seems to contra-indicate Wenzel's assertion....

But neither of those claims are actually factual in the context of legitimacy. It is at best hearsay and innuendo, designed to drive traffic to a blog. And maybe worse.

[angelatc]

Oh I see you will cheer on anyone who supports your team--got it.

At least I have a team.....you guys aren't even in the game.

And yeah - I'll happily cheer on anybody who gives money to a guy with a stellar voting record.

[acptulsa]

The OP is making an unsubstantiated claim... It is at best hearsay and innuendo, designed to drive traffic to a blog. And maybe worse.

When you can stop lobbing rocks long enough, you can still make a valid point from time to time...


At least I have a team.....you guys aren't even in the game.

...not that it always lasts long.


And yeah - I'll happily cheer on anybody who gives money to a guy with a stellar voting record.

I don't think all of us here are quite that easy. But I admit that this is a point in somebody's favor.

I just wonder how Lankford rated a contribution and Bridenstine didn't. Doesn't fill me with blind trust for the Kochs.

[donnay]

At least I have a team.....you guys aren't even in the game.

And yeah - I'll happily cheer on anybody who gives money to a guy with a stellar voting record.

This is probably one of the reasons I never really cared for team sports. It's all bread and circus to divide and conquer. The only team I gleefully cheer on is Team Liberty! Unbridle, unabashed and non-compromising Team Liberty!

[angelatc]

I just wonder how Lankford rated a contribution and Bridenstine didn't. Doesn't fill me with blind trust for the Kochs.

Is it possible that Bridenstine didn't ask? I am not familiar with either of those candidates, but the art of getting donations from those organizations usually involves reaching out to them. And usually that's done by somebody with a connection.


As for the other - DonnaY is the one making it personal. Look at her posts here, and you'll see a lot of "you, you you!" I learned a long time ago that she isn't capable of actually having a conversation. I respectfully submit should get a pass for responding in kind.

[acptulsa]

Is it possible that Bridenstine didn't ask?

It's possible. And it's possible that they didn't give him anything because he didn't yet have a voting record. But he does now, and whether or not it's 'stellar', it's a damned sight better than Lankford's. And he's up for reelection this November.

You listening, Koch?

[angelatc]

This is probably one of the reasons I never really cared for team sports. It's all bread and circus to divide and conquer. The only team I gleefully cheer on is Team Liberty! Unbridle, unabashed and non-compromising Team Liberty!

When you're in the nosebleed section, nobody can hear you scream.

[KingNothing]

I wonder how many members of RPF were sent here and paid for by Koch.....

They pay me well.

Aren't they kind of, basically, giving money to people who support almost everything we support? I fail to see why they are evil.

Reason, and CATO are awesome, btw.

[specsaregood]

He didn't "show them" doing anything. He mentioned a rumor he heard, and inserted it as a fact.

The OP is making an unsubstantiated claim.

Its an absolutely bullshit claim is what it is.

[KingNothing]

He didn't "show them" doing anything. He mentioned a rumor he heard, and inserted it as a fact.

The OP is making an unsubstantiated claim. I work on campaign finance - I have worked with people who work with the the Koch brothers, and one of them told me that they are excited about the passion and enthusiasm the Ron Paul supporters bring to the movement.

Neither of us can produce anybody to substantiate either of those claims. Although I would assert the fact that they're still funding FreedomWorks seems to contra-indicate Wenzel's assertion....

But neither of those claims are actually factual in the context of legitimacy. It is at best hearsay and innuendo, designed to drive traffic to a blog. And maybe worse.

Your unnamed source isn't as good as the OP's unnamed source, because your unnamed source disagrees with a popular meme among the lunatic fringe around here.

[KingNothing]

Its an absolutely bullshit claim is what it is.

A friend of mine with tentacles deep into the RPF organization tells me that specsaregood likes to have tentacles deep into his own organization. I will not reveal the name of my source, but trust me, I do have a source and I'm not completely making this up, nor am I quoting someone with an ax to grind.

[KingNothing]

A friend of mine with tentacles deep into the DonnaY/AF organization has told me that they deeply love Putin and are actually communist sympathizers.

See how easy it is to just type random, incorrect, nonsense and attribute it to an unnamed source?

[KingNothing]

Wenzel continues to be a first rate ass.

Imagine that.

[compromise]

When you can stop lobbing rocks long enough, you can still make a valid point from time to time...



...not that it always lasts long.



I don't think all of us here are quite that easy. But I admit that this is a point in somebody's favor.

I just wonder how Lankford rated a contribution and Bridenstine didn't. Doesn't fill me with blind trust for the Kochs.

Koch Industries donated $5000 to Bridenstine.

http://maplight.org/us-congress/legislator/1791-jim-bridenstine

[donnay]

When you're in the nosebleed section, nobody can hear you scream.

When all else fails, you bring out the drama. :rolleyes: This is why there is no discussion because you'd rather just try to act like these things do not exist.

"Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it."


"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free ." ~ Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[angelatc]

Wenzel continues to be a first rate ass.

Imagine that.

I find him and Rockwell to be frustrating, because they never have anything positive to add to the conversation. They're very good at using words to identify and describe the frustrations that people experience, and pointing fingers at those responsible...but there's never any balance. The message is always negative.

We win a victory, and they're right there in the celebration noise bitching because we didn't win the war.

[compromise]

You don't understand the control that the Federal Reserve has created. Do some research, and you may be surprised.

Please explain how the Federal Reserve made the Kochs billionaires.

[cajuncocoa]

I would venture that calling everybody who disagrees with you a paid shill is pretty much the same thing.

LOL....I don't say that about everybody who disagrees with me. Just the ones who still adhere to the left/right nonsense.

Thanks you for making my point, even if you had to use a low quality picture from a fictional tale to do so. You are not fighting the same fight we are.Who's "we"? Ya got a squirrel in your pocket? BTW, you're doing a great job ignoring me!! LMAO

[twomp]

Divisive noise like this is why it is left-wing libertarians who are the real enemy. We spent all of 2007 wishing and hoping we had a billionaire to finance our candidates - when one shows up, all the perennially malcontent philosophical leftists can do is bitch bitch bitch, and call those of us with a lick of sense paid shills.

LOL @ left-wing libertarian! Did you just create a new label? What is with your need to put people into groups? I don't belong to any left/right label. With your hatred of the word left, I wouldn't be surprised if you cut off your left arm because you don't want your body associated with anything having to do with the word "left".

Yes, it's great they donated to our canidates but have you taken a look at some of the other people they donated to? Not exactly a bastion of liberty. But it's okay, continue to provide oral to them and look the other way when they support some of our enemies. As long as they support Team Red right? Go go righties.

[Ronin Truth]

Hey Chuck, if your bought and paid for congresscritters and wannabes made half as much consistent sense as Ron does, maybe the kiddoes would be listening to them too.

[donnay]

Please explain how the Federal Reserve made the Kochs billionaires.

Go do your own research. Nothing can be explained in a sound bite.

Suffice to say the Koch Bros. have been intertwined into the economy, done by designed, as with many others, like Bill Gates.

In a truly free market these guys would have been bankrupt a long time ago.

[KingNothing]

Go do your own research. Nothing can be explained in a sound bite.

Suffice to say the Koch Bros. have been intertwined into the economy, done by designed, as with many others, like Bill Gates.

In a truly free market these guys would have been bankrupt a long time ago.


I'm happy you cite Bill Gates. Remember, he is pushing DEADLY vaccines and is actively trying to exterminate all of humanity except for him and Melinda and maybe one of his kids. We can only assume that the evil Koch brothers are up to the same nefarious behavior.

[William Tell]

Wenzel continues to be a first rate ass.

Imagine that.
Does he do anything anymore besides bash the Paul family?

[donnay]

I'm happy you cite Bill Gates. Remember, he is pushing DEADLY vaccines and is actively trying to exterminate all of humanity except for him and Melinda and maybe one of his kids. We can only assume that the evil Koch brothers are up to the same nefarious behavior.

LOL! You're Your ignorance proceeds you, really. You rail about cult of personalities, you being the biggest follower it seems.

His father was head of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood hides behind the eugenics agenda.

[KingNothing]

LOL! You're ignorance proceeds you, really. You rail about cult of personalities, you being the biggest follower it seems.

His father was head of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood hides behind the eugenics agenda.

What cult of personality do I follow?

And I don't think Planned Parenthood hides behind anything. Sanger loved eugenics. Of course, that was about an eternity ago, and I sincerely doubt that most people who work for Planned Parenthood now actively endorse extermination of undesirables. What you're implying is absolutely ridiculous.

[compromise]

Go do your own research.

I tried, I didn't get anything.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=koch+brothers+federal+reserve

It seems like you are just assuming that the Kochs benefited from the Fed because they're rich.

[angelatc]

Yes, it's great they donated to our canidates but have you taken a look at some of the other people they donated to? Not exactly a bastion of liberty. But it's okay, continue to provide oral to them and look the other way when they support some of our enemies. As long as they support Team Red right? Go go righties.

So you're saying that we shouldn't refrain from viscous character assassinations on anybody within our ranks unless they support us and only us? And if the Koch Brothers held their money captive to that same type of 100% ideological purity test, meaning we wouldn't get any, we'd somehow be better off?

I think that's wrong-headed.

[donnay]

What cult of personality do I follow?

And I don't think Planned Parenthood hides behind anything. Sanger loved eugenics. Of course, that was about an eternity ago, and I sincerely doubt that most people who work for Planned Parenthood now actively endorse extermination of undesirables. What you're implying is absolutely ridiculous.

Abortions is what they push. We are all undesirables to the elite. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

[angelatc]

What cult of personality do I follow?

And I don't think Planned Parenthood hides behind anything. Sanger loved eugenics. Of course, that was about an eternity ago, and I sincerely doubt that most people who work for Planned Parenthood now actively endorse extermination of undesirables. What you're implying is absolutely ridiculous.



Kudos for not succumbing to the urge to mock the obvious grammatical errors in the same statement where its asserted that you're[sic] ignorance is on display. You're a better man than I.


ETA thanks to the plus repper that pointed out the other glaring error. Which I'm not going to point out. Let the ignorance proceed!

[donnay]

I tried, I didn't get anything.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=koch+brothers+federal+reserve

It seems like you are just assuming that the Kochs benefited from the Fed because they're rich.

Well you didn't try hard enough.

Being rich means nothing to me. So trying to back me in a corner to make it look as though I have a disdain for anyone who is rich is not going to happen.

And thus endeth the lesson.

[donnay]

Kudos for not succumbing to the urge to mock the obvious grammatical error in the same statement where its asserted that you're[sic] ignorance is on display. You're a better man than I.

LOL! I knew you had a penis, you finally admitted it!

[KingNothing]

Abortions is what they push. We are all undesirables to the elite. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Ugh, I just groaned out loud at you.

Yes, I wouldn't understand because years ago I stopped believing every absurd conspiracy theory that Alex Jones and his ilk spew. THERE IS NO AGENDA TO SLAUGHTER US ALL! THIS "END GAME" IS NOT A REAL THING! CHEMTRAILS ARE NOT POISONING YOU! FLUORIDE IS NOT PUT IN THE WATER TO MAKE YOU DOCILE AND DUMB! .... having said that, I do wonder if there is something in the water at your household, specifically, causing mental limitations.

[compromise]

Well you didn't try hard enough.

Being rich means nothing to me. So trying to back me in a corner to make it look as though I have a distain for anyone who is rich is not going to happen.

And thus endeth the lesson.

If you have done so much research, why can't you cite any of it?

[KingNothing]

Kudos for not succumbing to the urge to mock the obvious grammatical error in the same statement where its asserted that you're[sic] ignorance is on display. You're a better man than I.


Well, she was right. I am ignorance.

[KingNothing]

If you have done so much research, why can't you cite any of it?

Please don't dare her. She's finally stopped spamming the board with 40 links per post to websites created by paranoid jackasses.

[donnay]

Ugh, I just groaned out loud at you.

Yes, I wouldn't understand because years ago I stopped believing every absurd conspiracy theory that Alex Jones and his ilk spew. THERE IS NO AGENDA TO SLAUGHTER US ALL! THIS "END GAME" IS NOT A REAL THING! CHEMTRAILS ARE NOT POISONING YOU! FLUORIDE IS NOT PUT IN THE WATER TO MAKE YOU DOCILE AND DUMB! .... having said that, I do wonder if there is something in the water at your household, specifically, causing mental limitations.

Then move along there KingKnowsNothing. There is nothing to see here.

[angelatc]

LOL! I knew you had a penis, you finally admitted it!

*Pats DonnaY on the head* Yes, dear. That's exactly what I said.

I guess they didn't teach the art of using sarcastic irony as a literary device in the 8th grade. So it's not your fault you didn't get the joke.

[donnay]

If you have done so much research, why can't you cite any of it?


The 11th largest drug firm, E.E. Squibb, has as chairman Richard E. Furlaud; he is a director of the leading munitions firm Olin Corporation, and was general counsel for Olin from 1957-1966. Furlaud was an attorney with the prominent Wall Street law firm, Root, Ballantine, Harlan, Busby and Palmer, founded by Elihu Root, Wilson’s Secretary of State, who rushed $100 million from Wilson’s personal War Fund to Soviet Russia to save the tottering Bolshevik regime in 1917. Furlaud is a trustee of Rockefeller University and the Sloan Kettering Cancer Institute, which shows a Rockefeller connection at Squibb. Directors of Squibb include J Richardson Dilworth, the longtime financial trustee for all the members of the Rockefeller family. Dilworth married into the wealthy Cushing family, and was a partner of Kuhn, Loeb Company from 1946 to 1958, when his partner, Lewis Strauss of Kuhn, Loeb, retired as financial advisor to the Rockefellers. Dilworth took the job full time in 1958, taking over the entire 56th floor of Rockefeller Center, where he handled every bill incurred by any member of the family unit 1981. He is now chairman of the board of Rockefeller Center, director of Nelson Rockefeller’s International Basic Economy Corporation, Chrysler, R. H. Macy, Colonial Williamsburg (another Rockefeller family enterprise), and Rockefeller University. He is trustee of the Yale Corporation and of the Metropolitan Museum, and director of Selected Investments of Luxemburg. Other directors of Squibb are Louis V. Gerstner, president of American Express, director of Caterpillar Tractor and longtime board member of Sloan Kettering Cancer Institute; Charles G. Koch, head of the family firm, Koch Enterprises, a $3 billion a year operation in Kansas City. Koch has a $500 million fortune, and personally bankrolled the supposedly rightwing organizations, the Cato Institute, the Mr. Pelerin Society, and the Libertarian Party. Koch Industries banks solely with Morgan Guaranty Trust, which brings it into the orbit of the J.P. Morgan Company.

http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/mullins/inject_09.html

[twomp]

So you're saying that we shouldn't refrain from viscous character assassinations on anybody within our ranks unless they support us and only us? And if the Koch Brothers held their money captive to that same type of 100% ideological purity test, meaning we wouldn't get any, we'd somehow be better off?

I think that's wrong-headed.

I don't have any "purity tests" nor do I think that there is anything wrong with you for supporting the Koch Brothers but the issue remains the same does it not? You justify your support for them and your disdain for anyone criticizing them by simply saying well, they supported some of our candidates. Labeling the people who don't fall on our knees for the people buying our government as "left wing libertarians" as if the word "left" is supposed be some sort of insult. Is it not fair that we hold them to the same standard when they support our enemies?

[angelatc]

I don't have any "purity tests" nor do I think that there is anything wrong with you for supporting the Koch Brothers but the issue remains the same does it not? You justify your support for them and your disdain for anyone criticizing them by simply saying well, they supported some of our candidates. Labeling the people who don't fall on our knees for the people buying our government as "left wing libertarians" as if the word "left" is supposed be some sort of insult. Is it not fair that we hold them to the same standard when they support our enemies?


First, to clarify, the phrase involving the word "left" is absolutely intended as in insult. It isn't "supposedly" an insult - it is absolute indicator there's a progressive dog whistle in the messaging.

The rest of this is pretty much silly tripe. "My support for them" and "my disdain for anybody criticizing them" is a straw man, and not even relevant to the topic, which I would remind you was an undocumented assertion by a blogger that Charles Koch was furious at young people for becoming Republicans. That was predictably met by a barrage of spew about their politics in general from the ideologues here on the site.

For the record - you're somewhat right about the fact that I don't much care who else they support. As long as they're donating significant chunks of it to our candidates and groups that support our candidates, they are not the enemy. They are political allies.

How can you disagree with that without having a purity test?

[angelatc]

Well, she was right. I am ignorance.

Then proceed.

[twomp]

First, to clarify, the phrase involving the word "left" is absolutely intended as in insult. It isn't "supposedly" an insult - it is absolute indicator there's a progressive dog whistle in the messaging.

The rest of this is pretty much silly tripe. "My support for them" and "my disdain for anybody criticizing them" is a straw man, and not even relevant to the topic, which I would remind you was an undocumented assertion by a blogger that Charles Koch was furious at young people for becoming Republicans. That was predictably met by a barrage of spew about their politics in general from the ideologues here on the site.

For the record - you're somewhat right about the fact that I don't much care who else they support. As long as they're donating significant chunks of it to our candidates and groups that support our candidates, they are not the enemy. They are political allies.

How can you disagree with that without having a purity test?

Why is a purity test needed? When I see people support folks like Ayotte and Rubio while not giving a dime to Ron Paul when he ran for President, its all the information I need. The only justification you would have for supporting them is oh they gave money to my candidate so I will defend them from criticism. As if giving money to your person of choice justifies shields them from the criticism that comes from purchasing our government for their pet projects.

In your world it's okay for the Koch's to buy the government for their causes but its bad when Soros does it. Hypocrite much?

[twomp]

First, to clarify, the phrase involving the word "left" is absolutely intended as in insult. It isn't "supposedly" an insult - it is absolute indicator there's a progressive dog whistle in the messaging.



You must feel pretty insulted when someone says you have a left arm or a left leg then huh? Way to continue the left/right paradigm though!

[HOLLYWOOD]

So the Koch dynasty donated ~$86 million.. The Adelson's donated ~$150 million just in the 2012 election year. They all buy the parties, politicians, and legal system.

Frankly I don't know why there's no a push to revise that sham of political financial money laundering call McCain-Feingold. If they justify the 1st amendment to bankroll, then the people can limit the bankrolling, just like the government has limited free speech for safety... Limited SuperPACs/PACs/Political Party financing across the country for Safety.

The politicians need to be confronted on their own "Keep The Incumbents in Office" campaign financing Act.