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Origanalist
03-21-2014, 09:56 AM
The teachers union contract in Ferndale Public Schools in Oakland County gives "special consideration" to applicants who are of "the non-Christian faith."

Michigan's Elliott-Larsen Civil Rights Act prohibits discrimination in employment and public services on the basis of religion. The state constitution says it, "shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting." And the Federal Civil Rights Act prohibits employment discrimination based on religion.


The discriminatory provision in the Ferndale teachers union contract (click to enlarge).
The contract ran from 2011 to 2012 but was extended to 2017. The teachers belong to the Ferndale Education Association, a division of the Michigan Education Association.

Regarding promotion to a vacant position, it states on page 22:
http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/media/images/2014/ferndale_discrimination.jpg

(Truly a stellar example of tolerance)

continued at...http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/19913

oyarde
03-21-2014, 10:03 AM
Somebody should send this to Savage , LOL , could be fun to hear him vent on that .

specsaregood
03-21-2014, 10:07 AM
continued at...
no linkie?

Also, this policy seems contradictory if the goal is to have a diverse employee pool. Are not males underrepresented in the teaching profession at least in regards to k-12? If so, why would males not get preferential treatment?

Suzanimal
03-21-2014, 10:10 AM
no linkie?

Also, this policy seems contradictory if the goal is to have a diverse employee pool. Are not males underrepresented in the teaching profession at least in regards to k-12? If so, why would males not get preferential treatment?

Hellllloooo, there's a war on women going on here.

Origanalist
03-21-2014, 10:19 AM
no linkie?

Also, this policy seems contradictory if the goal is to have a diverse employee pool. Are not males underrepresented in the teaching profession at least in regards to k-12? If so, why would males not get preferential treatment?

Doh! :o

juleswin
03-21-2014, 10:41 AM
That is not exactly what it says, the portioned you quoted doesn't say a white christian male cannot apply, it just says in the case of a tie breaker, being white, male or christian doesn't help you to win.

For the record, I do not agree with the tie breaker rules as it is written, personally, I would prefer things like experience, who is willing to work for least amount of dollars, under presented groups which can be male or white in some schools and areas and probably would never be christian in the US etc etc something that wouldn't appear to be blatantly racist but at the same time work as a good tie breaker.

mad cow
03-21-2014, 12:16 PM
That is not exactly what it says, the portioned you quoted doesn't say a white christian male cannot apply, it just says in the case of a tie breaker, being white, male or christian doesn't help you to win.

For the record, I do not agree with the tie breaker rules as it is written, personally, I would prefer things like experience, who is willing to work for least amount of dollars, under presented groups which can be male or white in some schools and areas and probably would never be christian in the US etc etc something that wouldn't appear to be blatantly racist but at the same time work as a good tie breaker.

Special consideration shall be given to women and/or minority defined as: Native American, Asian American, Latino, African American and those of the non-Christian faith.

No,what it says is being non-White,non-Male and non-Christian does help you win.
That's totally different. :rolleyes:

juleswin
03-21-2014, 02:31 PM
Special consideration shall be given to women and/or minority defined as: Native American, Asian American, Latino, African American and those of the non-Christian faith.

No,what it says is being non-White,non-Male and non-Christian does help you win.
That's totally different. :rolleyes:


But special consideration would only be apply if there are 2 or more people with equal qualifications. This is very different from saying it means No white, male, and Christian wanted for the position. So we agree on what it says, being non white, female and non Christian only helps you when there is a tie breaker.

James Madison
03-21-2014, 02:54 PM
If two employees are equally qualified, how can you give preferential treatment to one group based on something out of their control? That's the polar opposite of 'equally qualified' because it implies that one's race, sex, or religion does matter, so the two were never equal to begin with.

fisharmor
03-21-2014, 03:10 PM
Why don't we argue the contract stipulations of the state dog fuckers' union?
Or the county infant blenders' union?

I mean, both of those are government jobs that I consider more important than public school teachers.

Dr.3D
03-21-2014, 03:44 PM
It shouldn't be known if the applicant is white, male or Christian in the first place. If there is even a place on the application for that information, there is something wrong.

There should be no place on an application for information regarding race, gender or religious preference. Those giving the interview shouldn't be able to see the applicant either.

Anything other than that could render the decision invalid as it might bias the decision based on race, gender or religious preference.

Origanalist
03-21-2014, 04:01 PM
Why don't we argue the contract stipulations of the state dog fuckers' union?
Or the county infant blenders' union?

I mean, both of those are government jobs that I consider more important than public school teachers.

You are ignoring their role in shaping the next generation of good little statists. Obviously some consider that very important indeed.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-21-2014, 05:16 PM
Jesus should kick the shit out of those people.

angelatc
03-21-2014, 05:22 PM
Sort of old news - they scrapped the clause almost as soon as this story hit the wire: http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/Mich-school-district-scraps-non-Christian-job-clause-251135601.html

I can't believe they "admitted" this:
A Michigan school district's written policy of giving hiring preference to non-Christians has been scrapped after more than 30 years, and officials say they have no idea how the clause - which they insist was never invoked - ever made it into the teachers' union contract.The teachers union contract in Ferndale Public Schools in Oakland County contained a clause that gave "special consideration" to applicants that are of "the non-Christian faith." District officials say they didn't even know about the clause, which the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, a Michigan-based, nonpartisan research and educational institute, found while reviewing teacher contracts in the state's 200 biggest public school districts.


Not knowing what was in the contract is even worse than having it there in the first place.

DamianTV
03-21-2014, 05:30 PM
Theyre not prohibiting discrimination, they are encouraging it.