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randall_s
03-09-2014, 03:42 PM
http://nyyrc.com/blog/2014/03/iron-tent-curtain-falls/
Did you hear the biggest news of the week? No, it’s not that Russia invaded the Crimea and is “occupying” Ukraine. Sure, that nearly tanked world markets, but it was bush league compared to the other news, involving a major strategic American ally, that slipped under the radar.


Qatar had its ambassadors pulled (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26447914?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=*Morning%20Brief&utm_campaign=MB%203.5.14) (expelled) by their neighbors: Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain. Yes, it seems that these three countries don’t quite appreciate the Qatari-backed Muslim Brotherhood/al Qaeda revolutionary program, nor do they like the fact that Qatar refuses to pledge to desist in aiding and sheltering people who are actively engaged in attempting to overthrow or subvert the governments of Gulf Co-operation Council States. They are apparently concerned that the al-Thani ruling family of Qatar wants to add Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Bahrain to the list of deposed (non-Muslim Brotherhood) governments, thereby gaining Qatar the political leverage to have ideologically pliable governments in charge over a great swath of the ocean-front real estate on the Gulf. It is along the coast that most of the oil and natural gas in the region is found. According to the BBC article, “The joint statement said the three countries had made ‘major efforts to convince Qatar’ to implement a November 2013 agreement not to back ‘anyone threatening the security and stability of the GCC whether as groups or individuals – via direct security work or through political influence, and not to support hostile media.’”


It has been none other than tiny peninsular Qatar, the Gulf hornet’s nest of jihadis masquerading as cosmopolitans, behind each and every one of the Muslim Brotherhood coups that took down the Tunisian, Egyptian, and Libyan government. (To say nothing of Syria and the Central African Republic, which are both in ongoing, genocidal civil wars.)


Why, you may ask, is this such big news? Surely the actions of the Gulf States take a back seat to a Russian invasion of Eastern Europe. That assumption would be incorrect.


Qatar has been the Obama administration’s closest ally in the Middle East, with the possible exception of Muslim Brotherhood run Turkey. This, despite the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, the architect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed#Renewal_of_relationship_wit h_Osama_bin_Laden) of 9/11, was on Qatari payroll. Not only that, but his “job” for the Qatari government was a no-show job, and while he was getting those paychecks from the Qatari government he sent $660 to his brother-in-law, and distant cousin, Ramzi Youssef, the man who built the first World Trade Center bomb in 1993. Despite the fact that Qatari cooperation in the war on terror has been described (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/11/qatar-worst-on-counterterroism-in-the-middle-east/67166/) as “worst in the region.” Despite the fact that Doha-based Al Jazeera airs the popular show “Sharia and Life” hosted (http://www.aljazeera.com/category/person/yusuf-al-qaradawi) by Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader Yusuf al-Qaradawi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusuf_al-Qaradawi) (with an estimated viewership of 60 million). The 87 year old Qaradawi has called for Islamic revolution (read: takeover of the Taliban) in all non-sharia Arab states. Echoing his fellow Muslim Brother, the late Nazi collaborator Amin al-Husseini (http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/08/who-is-haj-amin-al-husseini/), Qaradawi has also called (http://ohioagainstterror.blogspot.com/2009/01/qaradawi-calls-for-genocide-of-jews-his.html) for genocide against Jews.


Qatar has even partnered with the business front for the Taliban. The Pakistani-military subsidiary and construction company National Logistics Cell, which may fairly be termed a corporate division of the Taliban, is partnered with private Qatari investors, meaning that Qatar has a formal ownership stake in the NLC. NLC has completed several and is working on (http://tribune.com.pk/story/421706/rs35-billion-budget-approved-for-national-logistics-cell/) a number new of construction projects in Qatar. Formally a part of the Pakistani Army, during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan the truckers in the NLC began transporting heroin, in additional to military supplies. This led to the coalescence of a narcotics mafia within the Pakistani military, who eventually found common ground with the Islamic anarchists of the Taliban, who the truckers hired to provide protection to their truck convoys. Due to their cooperation (http://books.google.com/books?id=kIBgqHWq658C&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=national+logistics+cell+taliban&source=bl&ots=jXsTGM-ip0&sig=_8pSXmlFQT2tBh9REklKKgUOrjo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Me9tUsPaCoyikQfMsYHQAQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=national%20logistics%20cell%20taliban&f=false) in the context of opium production and transportation, it is not unreasonable to suspect that the NLC in Qatar is heavily involved in narcotics. During the 1990′s the Pakistani government utilized the NLC to aid the Taliban, in addition to the Pakistani government’s stated goal of utilizing road-based trade to expand Pakistani trade links with the newly independent parts of Central Asia.


In fact, a few miles outside of Doha is Al Uedid Air Base, which Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Udeid_Air_Base) describes as follows: “Al Udeid Air Base is a military base west of Doha, Qatar, also known as Abu Nakhlah Airport. It houses foreign coalition personnel and assets. It is host to a forward headquarters of United States Central Command, headquarters of United States Air Forces Central, No. 83 Expeditionary Air Group RAF, and the 379th Air Expeditionary Wing of the USAF.” (Emphasis added.)


Al Udeid is the hub of operations for the Iraq and Afghanistan theaters. It is one of the most significant American military bases in the entire world, both in terms of strategic location and technical sophistication. According to a Congressional Research Service report (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CD4QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dtic.mil%2Fcgi-bin%2FGetTRDoc%3FAD%3DADA520652&ei=U8ptUq_DKI-pkAeM7oGIAg&usg=AFQjCNF-tB7xJsVMvJkGJuX7RTZXRKHkKQ&sig2=-Oo6l_8S8MkC3ubuCGB-HQ&bvm=bv.55123115,d.dmg&cad=rja) from 2010:


“The Al Udeid airbase south of Doha, the Qatari capital, serves as a logistics, command, and basing hub for U.S. operations in Afghanistan and Iraq… Qatar invested over $1 billion to construct the Al Udeid air base during the 1990s; it did not have an air force of its own at the time. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers also awarded over $100 billion dollars in Military Construction Air Force (MCAF) contracts for the construction of U.S. storage, housing, service, command, and communication facilities… The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2010 (P.L. 111-84) authorizes $60 million in FY2010 spending to build new Air Force recreational and dormitory facilities at Al Udeid. The Administration’s FY2011 military construction request for Qatar is $64.3 million.”


Despite Al Udeid’s impressive size and capabilities, it is not the only American base in Qatar. The Al Saliya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Saliyah_Army_Base) pre-positioning base is also located outside of Doha. Used for preposition of materials going to Iraq and Afghanistan, construction of the first phase began (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/camp-as-sayliyah.htm) in 1996. It is now the largest pre-positioning base of the U.S. military outside the United States.



Last year, Saudi Arabia loudly announced (http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/10/its-official-obama-lost-saudi-arabia/) that they no longer consider the United States a reliable ally. Now we know why – it’s the Obama administration’s personal friendship and structural strategic relationship with the terrorist government of Qatar. It will be recalled here that Michelle Obama reportedly (http://gawker.com/5880601/if-michelle-obama-spent-50000-on-lingerie-that-would-be-a-lot-of-lingerie) spent $50,000 on lingerie at none other than Qatari-controlled (http://www.almanamedia.com/our-clients/44/Agent+Provocateur) Agent Provocateur (though this story is now officially denied, and the sum of money was a sizable amount of the First Couple’s post tax income for that year.)



But back to Ukraine and Russia for a bit. As explained in an article (http://nyyrc.com/blog/2014/03/what-is-really-going-on-in-ukraine/) on this blog a few days ago, the major Russian player behind the ambitions to annex parts of Ukraine appears to be one Aleksandr Dugin (http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/08/who-is-aleksandr-dugin/), a neo-fascist. Yet his idolization (http://against-postmodern.org/section-iv-mission-julius-evola) of Italian fascist Julius Evola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Evola) (as he was expelled from the university he was studying at in Moscow for secretly translating Evola into Russian) does not quite do justice to Dugin’s adoration for fascism: indeed, he also openly admires the Nazis.


Just look at what Dugin himself has stated.
- Nazi theorist, Karl Haushofer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Haushofer), is remembered for Lebensraum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum), the idea that Germans needed “living space” to feed the Aryan race, and thus must conquer neighboring countries. Dugin believes in grossraum (http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/russia_and_the_new_world_order.htm), the same concept, for Russia. He has even written numerous essays and books on the subject.
- Dugin fashions himself a professor of “Geopolitics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics),” a concept coined (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Haushofer#Geopolitik) by Haushofer, who was the doctoral thesis advisor of the Nazi Germany’s Deputy Fuehrer, Rudolf Hess. (Hess was also the individual who transcribed Hitler’s meandering ramblings into the infamous (and equally unreadable) book, Mein Kampf.
- Wikipedia explains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin#Early_career_and_political_views) that Dugin sees no inherent danger in fascism. “In his 1997 article “Fascism – Borderless and Red”, Dugin exclaimed the arrival of a “genuine, true, radically revolutionary and consistent, fascist fascism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)” in Russia. He believes that it was “by no means the racist and chauvinist aspects of National Socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialism) that determined the nature of its ideology. The excesses of this ideology in Germany are a matter exclusively of the Germans, …while Russian fascism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism) is a combination of natural national conservatism with a passionate desire for true changes.”[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin#cite_note-Andreas-9) “[The] Waffen-SS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS) and especially the scientific sector of this organization, Ahnenerbe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe),” was “an intellectual oasis in the framework of the National Socialist regime”, according to him.


It is not hyperbole to describe Dugin as a fascist, or even a neo-Nazi. He is open about his views, though very few in the English language press have taken notice. Only recently has some of this been reported, notably by Timothy Snyder (http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/mar/20/fascism-russia-and-ukraine/?pagination=false) and Robert Zubrin (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372353/eurasianist-threat-robert-zubrin).


Note: A small correction to the Blog’s previous article on Ukraine. The flag pictured in the article is indeed associated by Dugin. But the National Bolshevist Party is no longer the home of Dugin (yet is the home of Eduard Limonov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Limonov), another Russian nationalist who recently – again – called for the annexation (http://en.tengrinews.kz/politics_sub/Kazakhstans-Foreign-Ministry-to-send-a-note-to-Russia-26193/) of Kazakhstan). Dugin previously broke with the National Bolshevists. Dugin’s new flag (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Foptimusx.tumblr.com% 2Fpost%2F50872519760%2Finternational-eurasian-movement-fourth-political&tbnid=sQK8p6SwXX71aM:&docid=zSOv2jrnBZZciM&h=333&w=499), the flag of the international Eurasianists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasia_Party), is different.

Developments in the Gulf and Ukraine suggest that the alliances an upcoming conflict have hardened. On one side are the Qatari-backed Muslim Brotherhood, and their offshoot militia al Qaeda. Their historical ties to the Nazi Party of Germany are undeniable, and are only made most obvious in a cursory examination of the life and actions of the evil Haj Amin al Husseini, who was just about as inept and a backer of the losing side to be enough of a political disaster as can possibly be imagined. On the other side are the neo-fascist Eurasianists, led by Aleksandr Dugin, allied with other far-right Russian nationalist parties such as splinter factions of the National Bolshevists and the umbrella organization of Russian Skinheads, the Russian March. By the way, Russian March (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_March) happen to have their annual get-together on the first of March… which as a coincidence just happened to be the day that the Russian troops went into the Crimea. The admiration of such groups of the Third Reich is equally apparent, as explained above. If this is not enough to convince one, then their propensity for tattooing their body with Nazi symbols, Nordic Runes, and their obsessive-compulsive predisposition to shave their heads and give each other Nazi-salutes takes all of the ambiguity out of the issue.

Full story with links:
http://nyyrc.com/blog/2014/03/iron-tent-curtain-falls/

pcosmar
03-09-2014, 03:46 PM
//nyyrc.com

This shit again.

Still spamming the Little Giuliani crap. :(

randall_s
03-09-2014, 03:53 PM
"Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset."

Do you ever read your signature anymore, or do you just leave it there?

Talk about subservience. You can't even stand to read a news analysis without accusing someone you've never met of being "Little Giuliani." That's being a servant to preconceived idiocy. Chill out.

Petar
03-09-2014, 03:55 PM
This shit again.

Still spamming the Little Giuliani crap. :(

Can you please explain?

pcosmar
03-09-2014, 04:00 PM
"Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset."

Do you ever read your signature anymore, or do you just leave it there?

Talk about subservience. You can't even stand to read a news analysis without accusing someone you've never met of being "Little Giuliani." That's being a servant to preconceived idiocy. Chill out.

I saw it,,read it and dismissed it as the racist crap that it is.
You have been Spamming that site here since you showed up. And is has been mostly crap. A few facts with a heavy helping of Islamophobia.

It is every bit as stupid as Rudy Giuliani.
But go ahead,, you have already developed your reputation.

Petar
03-09-2014, 04:02 PM
I saw it,,read it and dismissed it as the racist crap that it is.
You have been Spamming that site here since you showed up. And is has been mostly crap. A few facts with a heavy helping of Islamophobia.

It is every bit as stupid as Rudy Giuliani.
But go ahead,, you have already developed your reputation.

Pete, the Arab world is just as corrupt as the rest of the world... it really should not be shocking to you...

pcosmar
03-09-2014, 04:03 PM
Can you please explain?

Post History.

pcosmar
03-09-2014, 04:07 PM
Pete, the Arab world is just as corrupt as the rest of the world... it really should not be shocking to you...

Doesn't. I am well aware. The unholy alliance between Saudi Arabia and Zionist Israel concerns me more than any minor players.

The Poster has a habit of posting Neo-con warmongering crap from a single source quite often.

He's trolling for link clicks.

randall_s
03-09-2014, 04:23 PM
I'm trolling for link clicks? If that's the case, I'm doing a pretty crappy job.

"Zionist" Israel and Saudi Arabia have been two of America's closest allies in the Middle East for decades. Throw in Jordan, and you have the American presence in the Middle East.

I'm not a racist. That's a smear worthy of the Obama trolls. You are a bully. And like most bullies, you are, at your core, very insecure. I could run circles around you discussing politics, in this country and other countries. But I won't waste my time since you don't care to know what you don't know already.

If someone would like to discuss the posted article, I'd be glad to.

Intoxiklown
03-09-2014, 04:54 PM
Israel and Saudi Arabia are our allies???

We have very different definitions of an ally.

randall_s
03-09-2014, 04:58 PM
Israel and Saudi Arabia are our allies???

We have very different definitions of an ally.

Yes, allies with Democrats and Republicans alike since WWII ended. Don't believe me? Why else would they have to announce in the last year that they no longer trust us?

See here: http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/09/barry-rubin-america-has-lost-israel/
And here: http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/10/its-official-obama-lost-saudi-arabia/

Hey, I'm telling you the truth. Even if you didn't ask for it.

Intoxiklown
03-09-2014, 05:01 PM
Yes, allies with Democrats and Republicans alike since WWII ended. Don't believe me? Why else would they have to announce in the last year that they no longer trust us?

See here: http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/09/barry-rubin-america-has-lost-israel/
And here: http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/10/its-official-obama-lost-saudi-arabia/

Hey, I'm telling you the truth. Even if you didn't ask for it.


They don't trust us? Those bastards have killed more Americans than I honestly think you even have a clue about. Israel is no ally to the US, but rather treats our military as mercenaries to wage their religious wars. And Saudi Arabia does the same, except they use their oil as barter tools.

randall_s
03-09-2014, 05:20 PM
They don't trust us? Those bastards have killed more Americans than I honestly think you even have a clue about. Israel is no ally to the US, but rather treats our military as mercenaries to wage their religious wars. And Saudi Arabia does the same, except they use their oil as barter tools.

Do you have evidence that we fight Israel's and KSA's wars, or their religious wars? They are our allies, and have been. We had mutual interests, like keeping Russia and the Muslim Brotherhood out of power in the region. Obama switched that when he allied us with the Muslim Brotherhood.... so now Russia hates us (because they have been subjected to Islamist terrorism for a very long time), and Israel is convinced we want them to disappear.

Intoxiklown
03-09-2014, 05:31 PM
Do you have evidence that we fight Israel's and KSA's wars, or their religious wars? They are our allies, and have been. We had mutual interests, like keeping Russia and the Muslim Brotherhood out of power in the region. Obama switched that when he allied us with the Muslim Brotherhood.... so now Russia hates us (because they have been subjected to Islamist terrorism for a very long time), and Israel is convinced we want them to disappear.


What do you think Iran is about? Syria?

Do you know what the USS Liberty was? The Lavon Affair? Do you know about Mossad posing as CIA, hiring Pakistani AL Qaeda to attack Iranian civilians?

Edit:

And as bad as I despise Obama, you are falling over yourself with anti-Islam "I hate Obama" propaganda.

angelatc
03-09-2014, 05:39 PM
the best way to sort through all this stuff is to read what's actually being said, and not what some blogger tells you it means.

The diplomats were removed, not expelled.

And here's what the BBC News' Security Correspondent says about it:


The strains between Qatar and some of its more conservative Gulf neighbours have finally broken the surface.
What lies behind this is a growing conviction felt in Riyadh, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain that Qatar is unwilling to end its alleged support for Islamist and extremist groups in the region.


The Saudis believe Qatar is arming the al-Nusra Front in Syria, a jihadist rebel group linked to al-Qaeda.


Qatar is also accused of supporting Houthi rebels in Yemen and the now-banned Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.


Gulf sources say the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim Al Thani, had promised to change his country's foreign policies to align more closely with its neighbours.


Clearly, the Gulf's more conservative bloc remain unconvinced, and have hinted at still tougher measures if the dispute goes unresolved

Sounds like we're going to be invading Qatar. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26447914?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=*Morning%20Brief&utm_campaign=MB%203.5.14

NorthCarolinaLiberty
03-09-2014, 05:39 PM
You are a bully.

LOL. Maybe big government Republicans can propose more cyberbullying legislation.

randall_s
03-09-2014, 05:45 PM
the best way to sort through all this stuff is to read what's actually being said, and not what some blogger tells you it means.

The diplomats were removed, not expelled.

And here's what the BBC News' Security Correspondent says about it:

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Sounds like we're going to be invading Qatar. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26447914?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=*Morning%20Brief&utm_campaign=MB%203.5.14

Invading Qatar? Are you insane? We were invited in in 1992. Qatar even funded this, after KSA went into temporary default following the Gulf War.

Qatar already has the largest American military presence in the Middle East. They host our forward operating bases for Iraq and Afghanistan. They host our drone base. We are, for all purposes, their military.

That's like we're saying that American will invade New York. That information, along with the names and descriptions of BOTH (yes, there are 2!) bases are in the linked article. Glad you didn't bother to read it.

Why believe what a blogger tells you? Because the blogger knows what he's talking about.

twomp
03-09-2014, 08:31 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ucqH2lC.jpg?1

kcchiefs6465
03-09-2014, 08:37 PM
Randall_S, "can only hope to improve."

randall_s
03-09-2014, 08:48 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ucqH2lC.jpg?1

Do you want some more information on that? I'd be happy to provide it to you. See here:
http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/08/ron-rand-and-the-mises-institute/

And then, surprise, the NYT ran a similar article!
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/us/politics/rand-pauls-mixed-inheritance.html?_r=0

kcchiefs6465
03-09-2014, 08:52 PM
Do you want some more information on that? I'd be happy to provide it to you. See here:
http://nyyrc.com/blog/2013/08/ron-rand-and-the-mises-institute/

And then, surprise, the NYT ran a similar article!
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/us/politics/rand-pauls-mixed-inheritance.html?_r=0
How about a summary, for those that don't wish to click your spam links?

angelatc
03-09-2014, 08:53 PM
Invading Qatar? Are you insane? We were invited in in 1992. Qatar even funded this, after KSA went into temporary default following the Gulf War.

Qatar already has the largest American military presence in the Middle East. They host our forward operating bases for Iraq and Afghanistan. They host our drone base. We are, for all purposes, their military.

That's like we're saying that American will invade New York. That information, along with the names and descriptions of BOTH (yes, there are 2!) bases are in the linked article. Glad you didn't bother to read it.

Why believe what a blogger tells you? Because the blogger knows what he's talking about.

So we don't need to invade them - just overthrow the government then. That's good - much cleaner. None of that silly Congressional approval to get mired down in.

randall_s
03-09-2014, 09:05 PM
How about a summary, for those that don't wish to click your spam links?

I'll quote Bruce Bartlett from the NY Times article as a response:

“They [i.e. Rand Paul libertarians] spend so much time inside the bubble they forget everybody doesn’t share their commonly shared views.”

It doesn't hurt to read things you don't agree with. I do it all the time. It's healthy, mature, and normal.

kcchiefs6465
03-09-2014, 09:11 PM
I'll quote Bruce Bartlett from the NY Times article as a response:

“They [i.e. Rand Paul libertarians] spend so much time inside the bubble they forget everybody doesn’t share their commonly shared views.”

It doesn't hurt to read things you don't agree with. I do it all the time. It's healthy, mature, and normal.
I don't click random links from a person who just joined with a negative reputation. I got malware a couple years back that was a bitch to get rid of.

What is a "Rand Paul libertarian" as opposed to a "Ron Paul libertarian", as opposed to a Rothbardian, Misean, or my personal favorite, a voluntaryist?

People don't share my views, and quite openly so, because they immorally wish to use the government to steal from one group, to benefit themselves. They are collectivists, and legal positivists, and I don't much care for their support.

I'm missing your point, though. Please expound.

acptulsa
03-09-2014, 09:18 PM
It doesn't hurt to read things you don't agree with. I do it all the time. It's healthy, mature, and normal.

We do that all the time, thanks to the MSM. Doesn't mean we have anything to gain by encouraging your spam and supporting this website you're so shamelessly promoting.

I learned all I need to know about what a wonderful ally Saudi Arabia is to the United States thirteen years ago from nineteen hijackers. But, you know, thank you all the same.

randall_s
03-09-2014, 10:21 PM
We do that all the time, thanks to the MSM. Doesn't mean we have anything to gain by encouraging your spam and supporting this website you're so shamelessly promoting.

I learned all I need to know about what a wonderful ally Saudi Arabia is to the United States thirteen years ago from nineteen hijackers. But, you know, thank you all the same.

You're forgetting that Saudi Arabian intelligence was trying to catch and kill bin Laden, who had gone rogue and insisted in overthrowing their King.

You probably did not know that, if I remember correctly, 18 out of 19 hijackers were ethnic Yemenis (i.e. they were disgruntled subjects of Saudi Arabia). Saudi Arabia was nearly overtaken by Islamists in 1979, and had to call in French special forces to prevent a complete, Iranian-style coup.

KSA is a divided country. But for the last several decades, the pro-Western part of the family has had control over their diplomacy and government, and that continues today. A lot of the anti Saudi Arabian stuff comes out of pro Moscow sources. Qatar is the hornet's nest. Qatar gave Khalid Sheikh Mohamed a no-show job. Qatar cooperates LESS THAN IRAN on anti-terrorism matters.

I'm not an Islamophobe. I simply dislike genocidal jihadis, as do most Muslims.

Petar
03-09-2014, 10:31 PM
Does anyone notice the obvious here? Qatar is essentially one big US military base and it just so happens to be an Al-Quaida hornets nest as well???

There is a reason that we call it Al-CIADuh...

kcchiefs6465
03-09-2014, 10:36 PM
You're forgetting that Saudi Arabian intelligence was trying to catch and kill bin Laden, who had gone rogue and insisted in overthrowing their King.

You probably did not know that, if I remember correctly, 18 out of 19 hijackers were ethnic Yemenis (i.e. they were disgruntled subjects of Saudi Arabia). Saudi Arabia was nearly overtaken by Islamists in 1979, and had to call in French special forces to prevent a complete, Iranian-style coup.

KSA is a divided country. But for the last several decades, the pro-Western part of the family has had control over their diplomacy and government, and that continues today. A lot of the anti Saudi Arabian stuff comes out of pro Moscow sources. Qatar is the hornet's nest. Qatar gave Khalid Sheikh Mohamed a no-show job. Qatar cooperates LESS THAN IRAN on anti-terrorism matters.

I'm not an Islamophobe. I simply dislike genocidal jihadis, as do most Muslims.
You probably did not know that the United States is only involved with Saudi Arabia as a means to secure no bid contracts for welfare propped up corporations, i.e. services of protection for electrical plants, as well as the cities that sprouted up around them, as well as various other contracts, such as trash collection, is simply dollars given, in exchange for oil, with the understanding that said dollars will be recycled back to American corporations for various services. Often times the money never even leaves the United States and is simply 1's and 0's in a computer account.

Yes, many have a problem with that and they hate the Saudi regime because of it (as well as because of the Kingdom's brutal rule).

Less than Iran, huh? Do not make me laugh. The Saudi Arabians have funded terrorists on the level the United States has funded terrorists, on a greater level than Iran could consider funding terrorists. Not to mention the death, destruction, and oppression being on an exponential scale.

What are you trying to teach someone? That we ought not have "palaces" in Qatar for KBR executives guarded by American soldiers? That we ought not prop up the Saudi regime? That corporate welfare is inherently immoral?

I doubt it. You simply wish the benefits be towards what you think it should be towards. No, thank you.