Malaysia Airlines flight missing, terrorism not ruled out; confirmed hijacked

[Bryan]

Two people named on a list of passengers on board missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 were not on the plane, but both had reported their passports stolen.

Foreign ministry officials in Rome and Vienna confirmed on Saturday night that the names of two nationals listed on the manifest of the flight matched those of passports reported stolen in Thailand.

Italian foreign ministry officials said that Luigi Maraldi, originally believed to have boarded the plane in Kuala Lumpur, was traveling in Thailand when the Beijing-bound flight took off at just after midnight on Friday.

He had reported his passport stolen last August, said a foreign ministry functionary, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Full story: http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1443908/stolen-passports-were-used-buy-two-tickets-malaysia-airlines-missing

[Kotin]

Interesting..

[Patrick Henry]

The neos are waiting with baited breath.

[donnay]

Foreign ministry officials in Italy and Austria said the names of two nationals from those countries listed on the flight's manifest matched passports reported stolen in Thailand.

Italy's Foreign Ministry said the Italian man who was listed as being a passenger, Luigi Maraldi, was traveling in Thailand and was not aboard the plane. It said he reported his passport stolen last August.

Austria's Foreign Ministry confirmed that a name listed on the manifest matched an Austrian passport reported stolen two years ago in Thailand. It said the Austrian was not on the plane, but would not confirm the person's identity.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_MALAYSIA_PLANE?SITE=NCAGW&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[JK/SEA]

news reporting the pilots didn't send any radio communications, signifying that whatever happened, happened fast.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Dun dun dun dun!!!

[UtahApocalypse]

This doesn't sound good. Pretext for war, international databases, and who knows what else.

[Dianne]

Two people named on a list of passengers on board missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 were not on the plane, but both had reported their passports stolen.

Foreign ministry officials in Rome and Vienna confirmed on Saturday night that the names of two nationals listed on the manifest of the flight matched those of passports reported stolen in Thailand.

Italian foreign ministry officials said that Luigi Maraldi, originally believed to have boarded the plane in Kuala Lumpur, was traveling in Thailand when the Beijing-bound flight took off at just after midnight on Friday.

He had reported his passport stolen last August, said a foreign ministry functionary, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Full story: http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1443908/stolen-passports-were-used-buy-two-tickets-malaysia-airlines-missing

All the so called experts on FAUX news this morning have said they believe it was a criminal act. There is nothing other than oil spots in the water which appears to them, to be a complete nose dive straight into the ocean. The pilots would have had time to call a May Day if it were a mechanical failure. An explosion or bomb would have caused debris in the water.

Sounds to me as though one of the pilots took it down, or perhaps one of the people with stolen passports took it down. But it appears to have been an intentional nose dive.

It will probably days before we know anything really. You know the Admin. is trying to create some spin under the "Don't let any crisis go to waste" doctrine.

[oyarde]

Passport reported stolen in Aug. and it is still good ??

[jbauer]

Terrorists don't like to be anonymous. There's all kinds of things that could cause a catostophic crash. Plus the ocean is one big mofo. Lots of room for stuff to still not be found.

[angelatc]

Passport reported stolen in Aug. and it is still good ??

The other one was lost two years ago.

[MRK]

Meh, it's possible these two people were just trying to immigrate to China and something else caused electrical failure. Like a solar flare perhaps?

[eduardo89]

Passport reported stolen in Aug. and it is still good ??

Many countries don't have exit controls. And that information isn't always shared to every immigration database worldwide. I'd need to check my old passport to see if Malaysia has exit controls, though.

[angelatc]

Missing over 24 hours now. Search is resuming now that it's morning in Asia: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26502268

USA is sending a ship over.
Malaysia and Vietnam have both sent planes and naval vessels to look for the missing flight.

The US is sending the USS Pinckney, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer, which could be in the area within 24 hours.


Territorial disputes over the South China Sea were set aside temporarily as China dispatched two maritime rescue ships and the Philippines deployed three air force planes and three navy patrol ships.


Singapore is also involved, while Vietnam sent aircraft and ships and asked fishermen in the area to report any suspected sign of the missing plane.

[enhanced_deficit]

Accidentally watched couple of minutes of ABC news this morning and heard same that stolen pasports may have been doctored and they are trying to use facial recognition to identify those individuals.
In last major scandal involving stolen passports use after those were doctore, Dubai authorities were able identify foreign spy agency agents within hours using facial recogintion on CCTV feeds (http://washingtonnote.com/germany_to_try/), Malaysia may not be as advanced in that area.

[MelissaWV]

... I travel in a week and a half. I wonder if, by then, it'll require a DNA swab to make sure I'm myself.

[UtahApocalypse]

They now have confirmed that the tickets for the two traveling on the stolen passports were bought at the same time.....

The plot thickens

[FindLiberty]

They now have confirmed that the tickets for the two traveling on the stolen passports were bought at the same time..... The plot thickens

You betcha'

[kcchiefs6465]

... I travel in a week and a half. I wonder if, by then, it'll require a DNA swab to make sure I'm myself.
You sound ungrateful that patriots care about your well being.

[Henry Rogue]

All the so called experts on FAUX news this morning have said they believe it was a criminal act. There is nothing other than oil spots in the water which appears to them, to be a complete nose dive straight into the ocean. The pilots would have had time to call a May Day if it were a mechanical failure. An explosion or bomb would have caused debris in the water.

Sounds to me as though one of the pilots took it down, or perhaps one of the people with stolen passports took it down. But it appears to have been an intentional nose dive.

It will probably days before we know anything really. You know the Admin. is trying to create some spin under the "Don't let any crisis go to waste" doctrine.
I don't think they can rule out hypoxia completely until they find the black boxes at least. Although they tend to fly until thet run out of jp4, as it seems to happen when the aircraft is on auto pilot.

[angelatc]

Thailand's navy is shifting its focus in the search away from the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea, Thai Navy Rear Adm. Karn Dee-ubon told CNN on Sunday. The shift came at the request of the Malaysians, who are looking into possibilities the plane turned around and could have gone down in the Andaman Sea, near Thailand's border, Karn said.


But the pilot appears to have given no signal to authorities that he was turning around, the officials said, attributing the change of course to indications from radar data.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Cap]

I wonder if there are any bankers on the manifest?

[oyarde]

Many countries don't have exit controls. And that information isn't always shared to every immigration database worldwide. I'd need to check my old passport to see if Malaysia has exit controls, though.

Yep , they did not get checked . No reason for them then .Things cost too much anyway , lol

[oyarde]

I wonder if there are any bankers on the manifest?

I dunno , but there were 20 employees of some Tech Company in Texas that work in China on there .

[DamianTV]

Problem Reaction Solution

Problem: Forms of Identification can be easily forged
Reaction: Fear of Terrorists, Identity Theft, and False Identites
Solution: Chip everyone as a new form of Identifcation that cant be stolen or forged

[Schifference]

Maybe plane never even existed.

[Zippyjuan]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/still-no-clues-missing-plane/story?id=22842452
The images of the passengers using the passports have not been released publically but are being shared with various international police forces including the FBI.


Malaysia Airlines Passenger With Stolen Passport Caught on Video

Two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet have been isolated on surveillance video, officials said today.

The investigation into the disappearance of the jetliner with 239 passengers and crew has centered so far around the fact that two passengers used passports stolen from an Austrian and an Italian. The plane which left Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, was headed for Beijing. Three of the passengers, one adult and two children, were American.

Today Malaysia's Civil Aviation Chief Azaharuddin Abdul Rahman said officials had reviewed surveillance tape of the plane's boarding "from check-in right to departure."

"I can confirm that all security protocols had been complied with," he said.

The Search for the Missing Malaysia Airlines Passenger Jet

When asked about the two men who used the stolen passports, Rahman replied, "We confirmed now they are not Asian looking males."

When pressed to describe them, he said indicated that one of the men is black.

Do you know a footballer by the name of Bartoli? Do you know what he looks like?" Rahman asked.

Reporters corrected him asking, "Mario Balotelli?" and asked whether the man with the stolen passport was black. Balotelli, who is black, is an Italian soccer player.



Another interesting article:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/new-details-emerge-about-men-who-used-stolen-passports-on-malaysian-jetliner/article17391753/


Stolen passport passengers didn't choose Malaysian flight intentionally: report

The two men who used stolen passports to board the missing Malaysian jetliner didn't intentionally pick that flight, a newspaper reports, undercutting the possibility that they targeted the Beijing-bound plane in an act of terrorism.

The Thai travel agent who booked the men onto Malaysia Airlines MH370 says that they used a middleman who only asked for the cheapest flight to Europe.


She initially reserved seats for them on two separate flights operated by Gulf State airlines, Qatar Airways and Etihad, the national airline of the the United Arab Emirates.

Meanwhile, Malaysian authorities are saying that the two men looked African.

Investigators have checked closed-circuit television footage of the men as they boarded the flight.

“It is confirmed now that they are not Asian-looking men,” Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, told a press conference Monday evening in Kuala Lumpur.

When reporters asked for a description, Mr. Azharuddin referred to Mario Balotelli, an Italian soccer star whose birth parents are from Ghana.

He wouldn’t elaborate. “I don’t want to dwell about it but they are not Asian-looking.”

Mr. Azharuddin added that it is possible that a “stolen-passport syndicate” was involved.

Defence Minister Hishammuddin Tun Hussein told reporters that Malaysia has shared the images and biometrics of the two men with U.S. intelligence agencies.

The two men purchased their tickets in the Thai beach resort of Pattaya, using an Iranian intermediary, reported the Financial Times.
Benjaporn Krutnait, the owner of the Grand Horizon travel agency, told the paper that she had known the Iranian for three years and that he regularly booked flights for himself or others.

The Iranian, whom she only knowns as “Mr. Ali,” asked her to get cheap tickets to Europe for two men on March 1.

The tickets expired before Mr. Ali got back to her so she rebooked the two men on the Malaysia Airlines flight, making the reservation through China Southern Airlines, which code-shares the flight.

She said a friend of Mr. Ali paid for the tickets in cash, adding that such arrangements were common in Pattaya, with the middlemen keeping a commission.

The two men used passports that were reported stolen in Thailand in the last two years.

One to a 30-year-old Austrian, Christian Kozel. The other travel document was stolen from Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.

Both men were supposed to fly from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. They were then supposed to board a KLM flight to Amsterdam, where the bogus Mr. Maraldi would have gone to Copenhagen while the fake Mr. Kozel would have flown to Frankfurt.

The latest developments seem to suggest that the two men were part of a refugee scam, said security consultant Chris Mathers, who has investigated many cases that involved stolen passports while he was an RCMP officer.

"It doesn't matter that the passport is going to be detected upon arrival. All you need is something that will get you on the plane," Mr. Mathers said.


More at link.

[Philhelm]

... I travel in a week and a half. I wonder if, by then, it'll require a DNA swab to make sure I'm myself.

It will be more of a DNA thrust, actually.

[puppetmaster]

I don't think they can rule out hypoxia completely until they find the black boxes at least. Although they tend to fly until thet run out of jp4, as it seems to happen when the aircraft is on auto pilot.

I would guess this was it.

[brushfire]

2 passports, stolen way before the incident... Operation "Fish Food"? Operative disposal?

Regardless, this is one crisis that will not go to waste, I'm sure.

[Dianne]

I'm beginning to smell a false flag.

[angelatc]

I'm beginning to smell a false flag.

When is the last time you didn't?

[DamianTV]

Missing Nuclear Warheads? Meh.
Missing Passports? TERRORISTS! EVERYONE PANIC!

[UtahApocalypse]

My local news just posted that the 2 persons with the stolen passports were......


Iranian


Time to check the bunker supplies. The drums of war are being dusted off I'm sure.

[Zippyjuan]

My local news just posted that the 2 persons with the stolen passports were......


Iranian


Time to check the bunker supplies. The drums of war are being dusted off I'm sure.

The men were black- not Iranian- believed to be African refugees. The tickets were bought through an Iranian intermediary. See my links on previous page of this thread.

[Acala]

I'm ruling it natural causes. Planes crash all the time. That some passenger was using a false passport means nothing at all. LOTS of people use false id for a variety of reasons - usually to try and get around some stupid law.

[UtahApocalypse]

The men were black- not Iranian- believed to be African refugees. The tickets were bought through an Iranian intermediary. See my links on previous page of this thread.

Good for you.

Again I was only posting what MY LOCAL NEWS IS REPORTING.

[Anti Federalist]

Given historical precedent, it could very easily have been smoked by a government missile.

[Working Poor]

Problem Reaction Solution

Problem: Forms of Identification can be easily forged
Reaction: Fear of Terrorists, Identity Theft, and False Identites
Solution: Chip everyone as a new form of Identifcation that cant be stolen or forged

Shut up

[MelissaWV]

I'm ruling it natural causes. Planes crash all the time. That some passenger was using a false passport means nothing at all. LOTS of people use false id for a variety of reasons - usually to try and get around some stupid law.

The passports were likely unrelated, honestly, but natural causes? I did like when the Malaysian government tried to push that. Planes disintegrate. These things happen.

[Bryan]

Let's please keep things civil here. Obviously there will be lots of speculation.


It's a bit surprising that they still have no idea where the plane is. Recent debris finds turn out to be not from the plane.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/debris-may-be-from-mssing-malaysia-airlines-flight/2014/03/10/2669f16a-a822-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

Some reports on passenger cell phones ringing when called even though it was thought they shouldn't-- but this doesn't seem to be any real indicator.

Malaysia Airlines Passengers' Phones Ringing? Maybe Not
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-airlines-passengers-phones-ringing-maybe-not-n49371

Reports are emerging that some cellphones of passengers on the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 are ringing — but no one picks up. However eerie this seems, it may have more to do with how mobile phones and networks operate than any deeper mystery.

According to a China.org.cn report, 19 families signed a statement saying that dialing their loved ones' phones leads to a ring, rather than going straight to voicemail, as one would expect of a phone in airplane mode or otherwise unable to be reached.

But it's not that simple. When you hit the call button on some phones, a ringing tone begins immediately.

"However, that does not mean the phone you are calling is ringing yet," wrote wireless analyst Jeff Kagan in an email to NBC News. "The network is searching for the phone. First based on where it last was, then it expands. Then if the network can't find the phone, the call terminates."

[Anti Federalist]

The passports were likely unrelated, honestly, but natural causes? I did like when the Malaysian government tried to push that. Planes disintegrate. These things happen.

Not sure if that was snark or serious, but yes, they actually do from time to time.

One case IIRC was a Brazilian Air A320 Airbus that, due to a minor failure of a network ribbon cable connector caused the whole fly by wire system to come unglued, the aircraft went inverted and disintegrated at 400 knots all in a matter of seconds.

[purplechoe]

Given historical precedent, it could very easily have been smoked by a government missile.

They could even remotely take control of the plane and fly it like a drone, if they wanted to...

[Danke]

Not sure if that was snark or serious, but yes, they actually do from time to time.

One case IIRC was a Brazilian Air A320 Airbus that, due to a minor failure of a network ribbon cable connector caused the whole fly by wire system to come unglued, the aircraft went inverted and disintegrated at 400 knots all in a matter of seconds.

Haven't read about that one, got a link?

[Danke]

They could even remotely take control of the plane and fly it like a drone, if they wanted to...

Certainly an aircraft can be fitted to be flown remotely, but why would these pilots allow it?

[dannno]

Haven't read about that one, got a link?


wvvw.infowars.com/Brazilian-Air-A320-Airbus-Disintigrates-After-Network-Cable-Failure/
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)

wvvw.naturalnews.com/Network-Cable-Failure-Causes-Brazilian-Air-A320-Airbus-To-Disintigrate/
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)

[MelissaWV]

Not sure if that was snark or serious, but yes, they actually do from time to time.

One case IIRC was a Brazilian Air A320 Airbus that, due to a minor failure of a network ribbon cable connector caused the whole fly by wire system to come unglued, the aircraft went inverted and disintegrated at 400 knots all in a matter of seconds.

It was more the attitude of the "official" giving out the statement. We've determined the plane disintegrated. No biggie. Happens all the time. Definitely not any other explanation out there.

[Anti Federalist]

Haven't read about that one, got a link?

My search fu is weak, lousy connection, I'd have to scroll back through all the Airbus incidents on wiki to find it.

Happened back in the 90s. All the stuff I'm coming up with is more recent.

[Anti Federalist]

It was more the attitude of the "official" giving out the statement. We've determined the plane disintegrated. No biggie. Happens all the time. Definitely not any other explanation out there.

Oh, OK, now I understand.

Me?

I'm still leaning toward a government missile.

Like I said, not at all the first time that has happened.

[oyarde]

The passports were likely unrelated, honestly, but natural causes? I did like when the Malaysian government tried to push that. Planes disintegrate. These things happen.

Well , lots of people die in Maylasia from Natural Causes , lol :) animals too , the deer , boar , pigs , tapir , all tasty.

[gwax23]

Ive read that the person who bought them was an Iranian "Mr. Ali" (Total bond Villain) for two Iranian nationals posing as Italians. Dont know if this is true but the passports could easily have to do with crime and drug trafficking than terrorism.

[XNavyNuke]

I'm ruling it natural causes. Planes crash all the time. That some passenger was using a false passport means nothing at all. LOTS of people use false id for a variety of reasons - usually to try and get around some stupid law.

This happened in the ITCZ similar to Air France 447. Less than sixty seconds to go from a normal flight envelope to dropping like a tossed rock into the sea thanks to one iced up pitot tube.

Learning the lessons of flight 447 (http://www.flightglobal.com/Features/af447/)

XNN

[HOLLYWOOD]

Let's please keep things civil here. Obviously there will be lots of speculation.


It's a bit surprising that they still have no idea where the plane is. Recent debris finds turn out to be not from the plane.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/debris-may-be-from-mssing-malaysia-airlines-flight/2014/03/10/2669f16a-a822-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

Some reports on passenger cell phones ringing when called even though it was thought they shouldn't-- but this doesn't seem to be any real indicator.

Malaysia Airlines Passengers' Phones Ringing? Maybe Not
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-airlines-passengers-phones-ringing-maybe-not-n49371TPTB know exactly where the plane is... NSA tracking electronics, well there's other grids that track shit too... there's was even a detailed PowperPoint presentation by a defense contractor which was available online, upto a couple of years ado, before they realized their security buffoonery. Sound familiar?

Aircraft is one thing the governments track EXTREMELY close... they just don't want to comprise their classified tracking/tracing programs/grids... still you can get some info on the public tracking/transponder sites.

[Acala]

The passports were likely unrelated, honestly, but natural causes? I did like when the Malaysian government tried to push that. Planes disintegrate. These things happen.

Civilian aircraft crashing in the absence of foul play must be at least ten times as common as crashes due to a wide variety of natural causes having to do with weather, human error, the limitations of all machinery, and gravity reclaiming its lost property.

[Pericles]

Or, without the NSA, would we have known what happened to KAL007?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/31/us/kal-fight-007-anniversary/index.html

[angelatc]

The news is now reporting that the passengers using the stolen passports were Iranians, which is different than the earlier reports: http://nypost.com/2014/03/11/iranian-teen-with-stolen-passport-on-jet-sought-asylum/

http://********************************/2014/03/malaysia-plane_moor-1.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1










And just for laughs, Natural News is reporting that it was possibly supernatural forces:

http://www.donotlink.com/e2K (http://www.naturalnews.com/044260_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_supernatural_e xplanations.html)



With each passing day that this search goes on without finding any debris from the fight, it is incredibly reasonable to at least entertain supernatural possibilities in the quest for answers. At some point, if no debris ever appears, we must expand our window of possibilities to include what military strategists refer to as "unknown unknowns."

:rolleyes:

[MelissaWV]

Civilian aircraft crashing in the absence of foul play must be at least ten times as common as crashes due to a wide variety of natural causes having to do with weather, human error, the limitations of all machinery, and gravity reclaiming its lost property.

Most of those tend to garner at least an "oh shit" radio transmission and a debris field, though of course you'd need to know where your debris were likely to be, first.

[UtahApocalypse]

The news is now reporting that the passengers using the stolen passports were Iranians, which is different than the earlier reports: http://nypost.com/2014/03/11/iranian-teen-with-stolen-passport-on-jet-sought-asylum/

http://********************************/2014/03/malaysia-plane_moor-1.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1


And just for laughs, Natural News is reporting that it was possibly supernatural forces:

http://www.donotlink.com/e2K (http://www.naturalnews.com/044260_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_supernatural_e xplanations.html)




:rolleyes:

Notice that the first picture has been Photoshop and the legs from the second picture has been placed onto it.......

[dannno]

And just for laughs, Natural News is reporting that it was possibly supernatural forces:

http://www.donotlink.com/e2K (http://www.naturalnews.com/044260_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_supernatural_e xplanations.html)

:rolleyes:

Never heard of the Bermuda Triangle?

[PRB]

it's no doubt terrorism, the question is, who did it? Americans? Anti-Americans or God?

[angelatc]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-flight.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0

Iranians traveling on stolen passports not seen as terror link.


Yeah. That has to mean they're spies for the West then, doesn't it? That is the only reason I can imagine that Fox News isn't blaring "IRANIAN TERROR ATTACK" at us yet.

[brushfire]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-flight.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0

Iranians traveling on stolen passports not seen as terror link.


Yeah. That has to mean they're spies for the West then, doesn't it? That is the only reason I can imagine that Fox News isn't blaring "IRANIAN TERROR ATTACK" at us yet.

Hey, maybe I'm 50% correct?


2 passports, stolen way before the incident... Operation "Fish Food"? Operative disposal?

Regardless, this is one crisis that will not go to waste, I'm sure.

[green73]

Exclusive: Radar data suggests missing Malaysia plane flown deliberately toward Andaman Islands

(Reuters) - Military radar-tracking evidence suggests a Malaysia Airlines jetliner missing for nearly a week was deliberately flown across the Malay peninsula towards the Andaman Islands, sources familiar with the investigation told Reuters on Friday.

Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 was following a route between navigational waypoints - indicating it was being flown by someone with aviation training - when it was last plotted on military radar off the country's northwest coast.

The last plot on the military radar's tracking suggested the plane was flying toward India's Andaman Islands, a chain of isles between the Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal, they said.

Waypoints are geographic locations, worked out by calculating longitude and latitude, that help pilots navigate along established air corridors.

A third source familiar with the investigation said inquiries were focusing increasingly on the theory that someone who knew how to fly a plane deliberately diverted the flight, with 239 people on board, hundreds of miles off its intended course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

"What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards," said that source, a senior Malaysian police official.

All three sources declined to be identified because they were not authorised to speak to the media and due to the sensitivity of the investigation.

cont.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/uk-malaysia-airlines-radar-exclusive-idUKBREA2D0DJ20140314

[Zippyjuan]

Lots of "sources" saying lots of things. Many of which already been shown to be incorrect. Until the plane is found and the truth known, it is all rumours.

[Thor]

Andaman Islands

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Andaman_Islands.PNG


The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called "Vampi", northeast of Indonesia's Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East.

From there, the plot indicates the plane flew towards a waypoint called "Gival", south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another waypoint called "Igrex", on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.


Iran.

[green73]

It WAS hijacked: Malaysian official says it's CONCLUSIVE jet carrying 239 was seized by individual or group 'with significant flying experience' as PM admits tracking was 'deliberately' disabled

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html

[Bryan]

It WAS hijacked: Malaysian official says it's CONCLUSIVE jet carrying 239 was seized by individual or group 'with significant flying experience' as PM admits tracking was 'deliberately' disabled

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581488/It-WAS-hijacked-Malaysian-official-says-CONCLUSIVE-jet-carrying-239-hijacked-35-000-ft-individual-group-significant-flying-experience.html
Just saw that. Bump with update thread title.

[thoughtomator]

The combination of skills and knowledge necessary to pull this off, plus a severe lack of other options where such a large plane could land, in range of its fuel capacity, leads to one prime suspect - in my opinion, the only suspect with all three of the key elements of crime: means, motive, and opportunity (means being the toughest of the three to satisfy, by far).

[MRK]

The combination of skills and knowledge necessary to pull this off, plus a severe lack of other options where such a large plane could land, in range of its fuel capacity, leads to one prime suspect - in my opinion, the only suspect with all three of the key elements of crime: means, motive, and opportunity (means being the toughest of the three to satisfy, by far).

My God. I can't believe I didn't see this before. I never expected the Spanish Inquisition.

[donnay]

Let's please keep things civil here. Obviously there will be lots of speculation.


It's a bit surprising that they still have no idea where the plane is. Recent debris finds turn out to be not from the plane.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/debris-may-be-from-mssing-malaysia-airlines-flight/2014/03/10/2669f16a-a822-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

Some reports on passenger cell phones ringing when called even though it was thought they shouldn't-- but this doesn't seem to be any real indicator.

Malaysia Airlines Passengers' Phones Ringing? Maybe Not
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-airlines-passengers-phones-ringing-maybe-not-n49371

What I do not understand is that if the passengers phones were still ringing couldn't they get an idea where the towers that were picking up their signal are located? Triangulate the location? This is what made me think they were hijacked and landed somewhere because we know that cell phones don't work past 2,000 feet. We know our cell phones track us, you would think with all the technology, they could at least have an idea where some of the passengers were by tracking their cell phones.

[Brian4Liberty]

The focus now is on intentional actions taken by bad actors.

I still wonder what the possibilities are for this being caused by technical issues? These planes are completely computerized now. Could a massive computer failure cause the main communications (voice and tracking) and navigation to fail? Could a combination of accidents (explosive decompression causing computer failures) cause that same problem? Did someone hack the computers?

The flight path would be consistent with a pilot losing communications and navigation, and attempting a blind u-turn, and missing the fact that they flew over the narrow portion of the peninsula. And as we witnessed recently in San Francisco, some current pilots are not able to land a plane even with no problems, other than an automated airport landing aid being turned off.

[roho76]

So are we invading Malaysia now? Just tell me who we're going to invade. The suspense is killing me.

[Brian4Liberty]

What I do not understand is that if the passengers phones were still ringing couldn't they get an idea where the towers that were picking up their signal are located? Triangulate the location? This is what made me think they were hijacked and landed somewhere because we know that cell phones don't work past 2,000 feet. We know our cell phones track us, you would think with all the technology, they could at least have an idea where some of the passengers were by tracking their cell phones.

I believe those are all rumors, based on people not understanding how phones work. Just because you make a call and it gives you the "ringing" sound on your side does not mean it is actually ringing or has even made contact on the other end. And yes, if any cell towers had managed to connect with any of the passenger phones after the initial loss of communications, there would be a record of that. If that had happened, you would think they would be reporting that by now.

[Brian4Liberty]

So are we invading Malaysia now? Just tell me who we're going to invade. The suspense is killing me.

John McCain will consult with Bill Kristol and let you know on that.

[Dr.3D]

So are we invading Malaysia now? Just tell me who we're going to invade. The suspense is killing me.
I wanna know who is going to loan us the money to do such a thing.

[angelatc]

This site seems to be doing a bang up job of updating the story. They say the pilot's house is being searched by the police: http://www.firstpost.com/world/live-thailand-calls-off-search-for-missing-malaysian-jet-1424627.html


Malaysian police today went to the house of Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the pilot of the missing flight MH370, minutes after Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that investigators will refocus on the crew and passengers of the aircraft that disappeared eight days ago. Two police officers went to 53-year-old Capt Zaharie's house in the suburb of Shah Alam here, officials said, without further elaborating. Zaharie, a pilot with 18,365 flight hours under his belt, is reportedly also a flight instructor. He has been in the news after the mysterious disappearance of the plane on March 8.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/live-thailand-calls-off-search-for-missing-malaysian-jet-1424627.html?utm_source=ref_article

For the record, Malaysia is one of those countries that routinely gets occupied. The British were the last to give it up, and there is a mix of Christian and Islam.

[Danke]

I still wonder what the possibilities are for this being caused by technical issues? These planes are completely computerized now. Could a massive computer failure cause the main communications (voice and tracking) and navigation to fail? Could a combination of accidents (explosive decompression causing computer failures) cause that same problem? Did someone hack the computers?

The flight path would be consistent with a pilot losing communications and navigation, and attempting a blind u-turn, and missing the fact that they flew over the narrow portion of the peninsula.

There is not one central computer that controls so many different functions. So no.

Decompression would not affect the other systems.

You can fly without Navigation and Communication systems. Not easy, especially at night, but that area in Asia is densely populated and lights on the ground would be obvious, with big cities seen from hundreds of miles away.

[thoughtomator]

The focus now is on intentional actions taken by bad actors.

The focus should be on why the CIA stole that plane and what they plan to do with it next. Load it with an EMP and detonate it over the Black Sea? Or California? Really can't put anything past these guys.

[69360]

I figured it was hijacked from day 1. Now the question is where is it?

My first thought was Somalia, but reports say it didn't have enough fuel to make it around India.

I think it's either on the ground somewhere or the pilot set it down in the middle of the ocean in 1 piece, was met by a boat to pickup the hijackers and or passengers and it was sunk intentionally with no debris left to float.

If it's at the bottom of the ocean with no debris floating, it's probably never going to be found.

Even if it landed somewhere it may never be found. It's not without precedent, a 727 was stolen from an airport in Africa 10 years ago and never recovered.

[Danke]

I think it's either on the ground somewhere or the pilot set it down in the middle of the ocean in 1 piece, was met by a boat to pickup the hijackers and or passengers and it was sunk intentionally with no debris left to float.


To be met by a boat to haul ~300 PAX would have to take a lot of coordination. But who ever plans on a ditching?

That is suicidal, as the chances are the aircraft will break apart. Sully's landing was during the day on a smooth river, not at night in the waves of an ocean.

[Anti Federalist]

To be met by a boat to haul ~300 PAX would have to take a lot of coordination. But who ever plans on a ditching?

That is suicidal, as the chances are the aircraft will break apart. Sully's landing was during the day on a smooth river, not at night in the waves of an ocean.

And even then it was a one in a million shot.

I'm still amazed he pulled off an A320 dead stick ditching in the water and made it.

[pcosmar]

Iranians traveling on stolen passports not seen as terror link.
.

There were no Iranians traveling on stolen passports.

You are buying into propaganda.

There was an Iranian that booked the tickets. He was not traveling and books tickets as a travel agent.

The passengers were Black. (Africans)




When reporters asked the officials if he was suggesting the suspected men were black, the official answered, “Yes.”

Azharuddin said they have footage of the pair but cannot tell if they were African.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/yellow-object-spotted-sea-found-part-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-officials-article-1.1716387#ixzz2w3cU88zZ

[dinosaur]

There were no Iranians traveling on stolen passports.

You are buying into propaganda.

There was an Iranian that booked the tickets. He was not traveling and books tickets as a travel agent.

The passengers were Black. (Africans)




Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/yellow-object-spotted-sea-found-part-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-officials-article-1.1716387#ixzz2w3cU88zZ

That doesn't sound good. I can only think of one answer to the question of 'why would someone would want to lie to us about their nationality".

[roho76]

I wanna know who is going to loan us the money to do such a thing.

Ha! Money....pfft....

You must be new to American Imperialism.

[roho76]

And even then it was a one in a million shot.

I'm still amazed he pulled off an A320 dead stick ditching in the water and made it.

What would have made that whole thing classic is if the EPA showed up and arrested Sully for polluting the water.

[Brian4Liberty]

There is not one central computer that controls so many different functions. So no.

Decompression would not affect the other systems.

I was thinking of an event that did physical damage to multiple systems, along with the decompression. Like an explosion or collision with something (smaller craft, flock of big birds, weather balloon, surface to air missile, meteor strike, etc.). If it was a systems hack, I suppose anything is possible.


You can fly without Navigation and Communication systems. Not easy, especially at night, but that area in Asia is densely populated and lights on the ground would be obvious, with big cities seen from hundreds of miles away.

I'm glad to see you have some confidence in the capabilities of the pilots over there. Can they do that with bimbos on their laps? ;)

[Danke]

I'm glad to see you have some confidence in the capabilities of the pilots over there. Can they do that with bimbos on their laps? ;)

No, they would have to put the bimbos down until landing.

[HOLLYWOOD]

CNN has been airing hours of Malaysian flight MH370 infotainment, well there was a segment that struck an 'A-HA' moment when:

Former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom, who conducted the criminal investigation into TWA flight 800, when pinged by the CNN host on the disappearance of flight MH370 and it's unknown location, Kallstrom pushed that if the NSA was given the authorization to track and record all flights globally, that we would know when the aircraft is today. BLAH, BLAH... we need the NSA to track everything for "SAFETY".


What a moment...

BTW, the US government knows exactly where the aircraft is located... they just haven't released the information due to it compromising the classified operational global grid network. Can't remember the defense contractor who accidentally posted the classified slides on their website showing the global grid tracking system, but I can no longer find them upon searching GoogleNSA.

[squarepusher]

CNN has been airing hours of Malaysian flight MH370 infotainment, well there was a segment that struck an 'A-HA' moment when:

Former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom, who conducted the criminal investigation into TWA flight 800, when pinged by the CNN host on the disappearance of flight MH370 and it's unknown location, Kallstrom pushed that if the NSA was given the authorization to track and record all flights globally, that we would know when the aircraft is today. BLAH, BLAH... we need the NSA to track everything for "SAFETY".


What a moment...

BTW, the US government knows exactly where the aircraft is located... they just haven't released the information due to it compromising the classified operational global grid network. Can't remember the defense contractor who accidentally posted the classified slides on their website showing the global grid tracking system, but I can no longer find them upon searching GoogleNSA.

interesting theory, but seeing as its 7 days and nothing has been found (no passengers rescued), maybe they don't have the info

[thoughtomator]

CNN has been airing hours of Malaysian flight MH370 infotainment, well there was a segment that struck an 'A-HA' moment when:

Former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom, who conducted the criminal investigation into TWA flight 800, when pinged by the CNN host on the disappearance of flight MH370 and it's unknown location, Kallstrom pushed that if the NSA was given the authorization to track and record all flights globally, that we would know when the aircraft is today. BLAH, BLAH... we need the NSA to track everything for "SAFETY".


What a moment...

BTW, the US government knows exactly where the aircraft is located... they just haven't released the information due to it compromising the classified operational global grid network. Can't remember the defense contractor who accidentally posted the classified slides on their website showing the global grid tracking system, but I can no longer find them upon searching GoogleNSA.

Let me offer a slight variation on the hypothesis. They can reveal whatever they want via "parallel construction" technique, so revealing SIGINT capability is not the issue (and after Snowden, everyone assumes they can tap any data at will anyway, which they just well may be).

They haven't released the information because the information points right back to our intel agencies as the ones who stole the plane. The plane landed at our airbase in the Indian Ocean, the one where we keep our B-2 bombers that also houses a CIA not-so-secret prison, with the intent to have it resurface in the form of an "Al-Qaeda" terrorist attack, one that justifies the next wave of grip-closing.

[kcchiefs6465]

I always figured that the transponder was impossible to get to using convenient means. How could someone simply disable it? They never, you know, thought about that contingency? Why wouldn't you bury it so deep within the plane that it would be impossible for the average person to disable it? They're making it seem as if you flip a switch and then bloop, no one knows where the plane went.

[Brian4Liberty]

I always figured that the transponder was impossible to get to using convenient means. How could someone simply disable it? They never, you know, thought about that contingency? Why wouldn't you bury it so deep within the plane that it would be impossible for the average person to disable it? They're making it seem as if you flip a switch and then bloop, no one knows where the plane went.

There is a switch that they can turn it off just like that. It's an instrument in the pilot's control. On the other hand, the engines had independent transmitters that wirelessly transmit data to other devices on the plane, and also to satellites. They would have to pull a fuse to to turn those off (assuming the plane is still flying).


(According to an expert on TV...)

[Dr.3D]

I think it's interesting they would make that so it could be turned off. I suppose they made it that way so hijackers would be able to do that eh?

[squarepusher]

I always figured that the transponder was impossible to get to using convenient means. How could someone simply disable it? They never, you know, thought about that contingency? Why wouldn't you bury it so deep within the plane that it would be impossible for the average person to disable it? They're making it seem as if you flip a switch and then bloop, no one knows where the plane went.

yeah this is crazy. With todays technology, they should be beaming every bit of information about the flight live to a backup location via satellite (no real need for a blackbox except as a failsafe backup). I was dumbfounded when I learned anyone in the cockpit can simple "turn off" the gps locator (on a $300 million dollar vehicle with 200+ human lives)

[Danke]

There is a switch that they can turn it off just like that. It's an instrument in the pilot's control. On the other hand, the engines had independent transmitters that wirelessly transmit data to other devices on the plane, and also to satellites. They would have to pull a fuse to to turn those off (assuming the plane is still flying).


(According to an expert on TV...)


Really. Where did you read that?

And I doubt any fuse pulling is involved. Maybe Circuit Breakers though.

[Danke]

I always figured that the transponder was impossible to get to using convenient means. How could someone simply disable it? They never, you know, thought about that contingency? Why wouldn't you bury it so deep within the plane that it would be impossible for the average person to disable it? They're making it seem as if you flip a switch and then bloop, no one knows where the plane went.

It would be foolish to have systems on board that cannot be deactivated. Ever heard of FIRE! Among other reasons and malfunctions.

[oyarde]

Really. Where did you read that?

And I doubt any fuse pulling is involved. Maybe Circuit Breakers though.
Where would those breakers be located ?

[Brian4Liberty]

Really. Where did you read that?

And I doubt any fuse pulling is involved. Maybe Circuit Breakers though.

One of them darn experts on the idiot box. It probably was circuit breakers.



independent transmitters that wirelessly transmit data to other devices on the plane

It seemed like that was what he was saying. Obviously if there is power and other cables, might as well transmit via wire. Maybe he was saying that they transmit to the flight data recorder in the tail, as well as to the satellites? Hard to remember after seeing multiple experts on TV, and all of the talking heads giving their "insight".

[Danke]

Where would those breakers be located ?

All over the place, depends on the aircraft. In the cockpit, most usually on the aft wall, and many on the overhead panel.

[oyarde]

All over the place, depends on the aircraft. In the cockpit, most usually on the aft wall, and many on the overhead panel.

I figured they would be in the cockpit panels .

[mad cow]

yeah this is crazy. With todays technology, they should be beaming every bit of information about the flight live to a backup location via satellite (no real need for a blackbox except as a failsafe backup). I was dumbfounded when I learned anyone in the cockpit can simple "turn off" the gps locator (on a $300 million dollar vehicle with 200+ human lives)

This also confuses me.For many,many years Federally regulated fishing boats have had their position tracked in real time within feet by NOAA and if you ever stopped transmitting,NOAA,the USCG and every other boat in the area that NOAA and the USCG instantly alerted would let you know.

This is relatively cheap technology that talks to satellites and runs off of 12 volts at low amps,so not much fire danger.

I bet they could install 3 totally independent systems for redundancy running off three different power sources for the price of three first class tickets on the route they were running.

Maybe round trip tickets.

[kcchiefs6465]

There is a switch that they can turn it off just like that. It's an instrument in the pilot's control. On the other hand, the engines had independent transmitters that wirelessly transmit data to other devices on the plane, and also to satellites. They would have to pull a fuse to to turn those off (assuming the plane is still flying).


(According to an expert on TV...)
Well it's not like planes are semi-routinely hijacked or anything....

This is simply amazing to me.

[69360]

Let me offer a slight variation on the hypothesis. They can reveal whatever they want via "parallel construction" technique, so revealing SIGINT capability is not the issue (and after Snowden, everyone assumes they can tap any data at will anyway, which they just well may be).

They haven't released the information because the information points right back to our intel agencies as the ones who stole the plane. The plane landed at our airbase in the Indian Ocean, the one where we keep our B-2 bombers that also houses a CIA not-so-secret prison, with the intent to have it resurface in the form of an "Al-Qaeda" terrorist attack, one that justifies the next wave of grip-closing.

No way the plane is at Diego Garcia. The Russians, Chinese and probably more would have seen it on satellite. You know a base like that is watched by other countries.

[Danke]

This also confuses me.For many,many years Federally regulated fishing boats have had their position tracked in real time within feet by NOAA and if you ever stopped transmitting,NOAA,the USCG and every other boat in the area that NOAA and the USCG instantly alerted would let you know.

This is relatively cheap technology that talks to satellites and runs off of 12 volts at low amps,so not much fire danger.

I bet they could install 3 totally independent systems for redundancy running off three different power sources for the price of three first class tickets on the route they were running.

Maybe round trip tickets.

"if you ever stopped transmitting" So are you saying they can shut it off? If not, at least in a boat, you can stop where you are at, if is interfering and trouble shoot, but many of the same issues could be present. I wonder if AF could shed some light on systems out of his control.

[mad cow]

"if you ever stopped transmitting" So are you saying they can shut it off? If not, at least in a boat, you can stop where you are at, if is interfering and trouble shoot, but many of the same issues could be present. I wonder if AF could shed some light on systems out of his control.

I could either shut it off,trip the circuit breaker or go put a pot over the antenna that tracked the geostationary satellite,but believe me,I would hear about it instantly.

Especially if I was getting close to somewhere they didn't want me.

[mad cow]

Actually,I had a system that talked to LEO satellites for the last 5 or 6 years of my employment that I liked much better but for reasons that had nothing to do with the height of the satellite.

[thoughtomator]

No way the plane is at Diego Garcia. The Russians, Chinese and probably more would have seen it on satellite. You know a base like that is watched by other countries.

I more believe the Russians and Chinese would sit and wait on the information, than that the plane could have escaped US tracking systems. The Straits of Malacca is one of the most important trade routes on the planet and I can't believe the US doesn't have a comprehensive tracking system in place. Diego Garcia is specifically used as it is because it is so remote. The Straits of Malacca are anything but remote as a significant percentage of global trade passes through there. So whoever got away with this plane managed to pull off a lot of nifty stunts, not the least of which appears to be cutting off communication swiftly enough that none of the passengers could get a message out. India says it didn't land at their bases, and I can't think of a good reason for them to lie.

The easiest way, it seems, to evade the ever-present SIGINT tracking tentacles of the US government, is to act from within it. Not even Congress appears to be able to compel information from any of the security agencies - the only way real info gets out is via whistleblower. I can think of a million reasons why the CIA might want a 777 that wouldn't apply to any other global actor, and motive is apparent in their desperation to ignite another major war.

When mischief is afoot, who do you look to first but the #1 mischief maker? And when that mischief maker has means, motive, and opportunity they are logically the prime suspect. Diego Garcia is already the location of secret ops.

If not there, where could this plane possibly have landed without overcoming much greater obstacles?

[PaulConventionWV]

My dad's mind is beginning to go. He thinks the plane has gone into some energy vortex and they've been sucked into another dimension or something. It really worries me how he seems to be losing it more and more with every passing day. I remember seeing his father slowly lose his mind when he was in his 80s, and he's starting to show the same signs in his 60s.

[kcchiefs6465]

My dad's mind is beginning to go. He thinks the plane has gone into some energy vortex and they've been sucked into another dimension or something. It really worries me how he seems to be losing it more and more with every passing day. I remember seeing his father slowly lose his mind when he was in his 80s, and he's starting to show the same signs in his 60s.
Many people have similar theories. A lot of theories on the Bermuda Triangle are just people trying to explain the seemingly unexplainable.

Maybe he recently watched a History Channel presentation on the Bermuda Triangle?

There was a pilot that survived flying through it that spoke of arriving quicker than ever possible after having come in contact with some sort of "electromagnetic" fog. He spoke of going through some sort of vortex.

[angelatc]

There were no Iranians traveling on stolen passports.

You are buying into propaganda.

There was an Iranian that booked the tickets. He was not traveling and books tickets as a travel agent.

The passengers were Black. (Africans)




Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/yellow-object-spotted-sea-found-part-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-officials-article-1.1716387#ixzz2w3cU88zZ


See. this is where the conspiracy crap gets annoying. I am aware that the original reports were that they were the same color as some soccer player, but it turned out later they were Iranian.

[angelatc]

Really. Where did you read that?

And I doubt any fuse pulling is involved. Maybe Circuit Breakers though.


Even that doesn't make sense to me. Their power supply is supposed to be internal, so that they keep sending out a signal even if the plane disintegrates around it, right? Why would an off button even be an option?

[Danke]

Even that doesn't make sense to me. Their power supply is supposed to be internal, so that they keep sending out a signal even if the plane disintegrates around it, right? Why would an off button even be an option?

Apples and oranges. Different systems, different purposes.

Normal reporting systems can be shut off. Emergency locator systems (to locate the "black box") that are activated by either water or high G forces (crash) are independent with their own internal battery power supplies.

[angelatc]

My dad's mind is beginning to go. He thinks the plane has gone into some energy vortex and they've been sucked into another dimension or something. .

Philadelphia Experiment II


Apples and oranges. Different systems, different purposes.

Normal reporting systems can be shut off. Emergency locator systems (to locate the "black box") that are activated by either water or high G forces (crash) are independent with their own internal battery power supplies.


Ah. Thanks.

[squarepusher]

My dad's mind is beginning to go. He thinks the plane has gone into some energy vortex and they've been sucked into another dimension or something. It really worries me how he seems to be losing it more and more with every passing day. I remember seeing his father slowly lose his mind when he was in his 80s, and he's starting to show the same signs in his 60s.

sounds a bit like True Detective

[thoughtomator]

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy

Lot of detail in this one. I cross-checked the SEALs named and they were announced dead in a NY Times article last month so that part at least is legit.

[Danke]

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy

Lot of detail in this one. I cross-checked the SEALs named and they were announced dead in a NY Times article last month so that part at least is legit.

EU Times...seriously?

[squarepusher]

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy

Lot of detail in this one. I cross-checked the SEALs named and they were announced dead in a NY Times article last month so that part at least is legit.

"Most sadly, this report concludes, the US is actually able to conceal the reason(s) for the “disappearance” of Flight 370 as they have already done so after the events of 11 September 2011 when the then Bush regime “disappeared” American Airlines Flight 77 and its 64 passengers and crew after falsely claiming it hit the Pentagon, but which was confirmed by the CNN News Service [see video HERE] not to have happened"


http://www.m3fever.com/images/imported/2012/03/426203_10150820920243986_506203985_12589-1.jpg

[thoughtomator]

EU Times...seriously?

Not the best source, I know. But we're not getting any better explanations anywhere else, either.

This part of the story checks out: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/world/africa/dead-guards-on-freighter-are-identified-as-former-navy-seal-members.html

When SEALS die in suspicious circumstances, that is something that should raise an eyebrow.

Even the National Enquirer breaks a genuine and serious story now and then.

Where's the better explanation? I'm listening but nobody seems to have one.

[PaulConventionWV]

Many people have similar theories. A lot of theories on the Bermuda Triangle are just people trying to explain the seemingly unexplainable.

Maybe he recently watched a History Channel presentation on the Bermuda Triangle?

There was a pilot that survived flying through it that spoke of arriving quicker than ever possible after having come in contact with some sort of "electromagnetic" fog. He spoke of going through some sort of vortex.

I had heard of that. I also heard some sort of explanation that I can't remember, but I'm not sure if I'm able to believe all this weird space-time continuum stuff to explain things.

In fact, this isn't actually necessarily unusual for my dad. He just seems to be falling back on it a lot lately. Using reason to come to a conclusion goes out the window in favor of trusting his favorite internet sources. Like when last time I spoke to him, he was getting all emotional about how technology is changing the world, like how amazing it was that we were in two different places and yet could hear each other, as if the telephone hadn't been invented about 60 years before he was born. Maybe it's just a hunch. I'm really not in favor of the fact that he's even more conspiracy-minded than me, like by orders of magnitude.

[PaulConventionWV]

Not the best source, I know. But we're not getting any better explanations anywhere else, either.

This part of the story checks out: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/world/africa/dead-guards-on-freighter-are-identified-as-former-navy-seal-members.html

When SEALS die in suspicious circumstances, that is something that should raise an eyebrow.

Even the National Enquirer breaks a genuine and serious story now and then.

Where's the better explanation? I'm listening but nobody seems to have one.

Can't find information, so rely on faulty information that provides a far-reaching-but-plausible explanation... sounds like my dad.

[vita3]

I haven't been interested for one second in trying to follow this media driven story, which had been shoved in front of everybody's face.

So much wasted time speculationing the complete unkown IMO

[thoughtomator]

Can't find information, so rely on faulty information that provides a far-reaching-but-plausible explanation... sounds like my dad.

You know it's faulty, how? Source alone? And when National Enquirer broke the John Edwards story, did you know that was faulty due to the source as well?

If you can find specific assertions within the article that are contradicted by known, reliable facts, then fine it's faulty. Find me one and I'll agree. Until then, it is not logical to jump to that conclusion.

And again, we still lack any more plausible explanation. The story that a plane of that size simply disappeared on its own leaving no black box trace or other signals is not plausible. It is also not plausible to suggest that a large passenger plane could go off course for 7 hours and not be detected by any of the planet's military forces. So what's the alternative explanation?

Rigorous inquiry is not done by simply naysaying things. When information is restricted on a topic like this you have to float hypotheses - even if those hypotheses seem wild or ridiculous at first - and see what matches facts. Without a clear contradiction between a hypothesis and known facts the hypothesis cannot be discarded - especially in light of the lack of any serious competing hypothesis.

[69360]

It's looking more and more like the pilot had something to do with it. It seems to have something to do with internal political troubles in Malaysia.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-3248001

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html

[PaulConventionWV]

You know it's faulty, how? Source alone? And when National Enquirer broke the John Edwards story, did you know that was faulty due to the source as well?

If you can find specific assertions within the article that are contradicted by known, reliable facts, then fine it's faulty. Find me one and I'll agree. Until then, it is not logical to jump to that conclusion.

And again, we still lack any more plausible explanation. The story that a plane of that size simply disappeared on its own leaving no black box trace or other signals is not plausible. It is also not plausible to suggest that a large passenger plane could go off course for 7 hours and not be detected by any of the planet's military forces. So what's the alternative explanation?

Rigorous inquiry is not done by simply naysaying things. When information is restricted on a topic like this you have to float hypotheses - even if those hypotheses seem wild or ridiculous at first - and see what matches facts. Without a clear contradiction between a hypothesis and known facts the hypothesis cannot be discarded - especially in light of the lack of any serious competing hypothesis.

I know it doesn't seem reliable based on the fact that you don't seem to trust it yourself.

[seapilot]

I figured it was hijacked from day 1. Now the question is where is it?

My first thought was Somalia, but reports say it didn't have enough fuel to make it around India.

I think it's either on the ground somewhere or the pilot set it down in the middle of the ocean in 1 piece, was met by a boat to pickup the hijackers and or passengers and it was sunk intentionally with no debris left to float.

If it's at the bottom of the ocean with no debris floating, it's probably never going to be found.

Even if it landed somewhere it may never be found. It's not without precedent, a 727 was stolen from an airport in Africa 10 years ago and never recovered.

I have been following this incident close, first from aviation safety view and now out of plain curiosity.

I think that the plane is right under the Malaysians nose. Most people imagine the plane is thousands of miles away because it had 7 hours of fuel on board. The longer that plane and farther it traveled say over India or China airspace the more likely it would be picked up on primary military radar.

If it went south its nothing but open ocean and it would be hard to find any evidence of it for awhile if ever.

Your theory that its on the ground somewhere is what I think as well. Where does some of the most piracy happen in the world today? What place has areas crawling and controlled by pirates besides Somalia and parts of West Coast of Africa? Indonesia. The pirates make their living off ransom and hostages.

Fly southwest at first then double back while burning most of the fuel off through airspace with little to no reliable radar coverage on to Indonesia. If one of the pilots is part of the plot where would they have most contacts and be most comfortable going? Who needs a runway if they are not planning on taking off again? Controlled crash with gear up belly landing on a long open level field or clearing.

Cargo stolen, hostages taken, evidence destroyed or hidden. Plane may never be found hostages taken someplace else until things cool off. Maybe they are already in negotiations and the media is kept out of it for obvious reasons.

[Dianne]

IMO ... bullchit.. another false flag .. Look at all the shit the Congress and that prick in the white house have done while the news media devotes 90% of their time to this story.

BULLSHIT ... There was no flight, there are no hostages, there is no missing plane.

[thoughtomator]

I know it doesn't seem reliable based on the fact that you don't seem to trust it yourself.

These days you can't really trust anything, which is why I spend the effort to puzzle out the puzzles as best as I can for myself.

[Danke]

Controlled crash with gear up belly landing on a long open level field or clearing.



That heavy of a jet on a field doing a "belly landing" could be catastrophic. Engines would dig in and it would probably cartwheel.

Still better off with gear down.

[seapilot]

That heavy of a jet on a field doing a "belly landing" could be catastrophic. Engines would dig in and it would probably cartwheel.

Still better off with gear down.

You are right, I must have been thinking ditching in water where the gear needs to be up. I have seen gear up landings where not much happened but that was on hard surface with light twins.

[FindLiberty]

Might as well die creatively (with dry feet too): How about "landing" (on water) inverted so both the retracted wheels and the engines are "up"?

[UtahApocalypse]

My theory is that the pilot decided to take the aircraft. I am not sure if it was for suicide, or to be used as a "weapon" and crash into something. I think that the initial climb to 45k was used in concert with decompression of the passenger cabin which the pilot had thought would cause hypoxia. However this did not work. Eventually passengers made access to the cockpit and brought the plane down into the ocean.

[vita3]

My "theory" is this MONSTER Media Story is & always will be BULLSHIT.

Got to give them credit though, lot of work involved for the PRODUCERS talking about make believe airplane scenarios for over a week & having Americans speculate about it.

Meanwhile, 97% of Crimeans voted to join Russia..

[Thor]

Another interesting theory...

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68


By: Keith Ledgerwood

As the search for missing flight Malaysian Airlines flight 370 drags on into the 10th day, so many questions continue to remain unanswered about how and why the airliner could have disappeared while seemingly under the control of a skilled pilot intent on making it invisible. With satellite pings showing where the plane could be after more than seven hours of flight, speculation has arisen that the plane could be on the ground anywhere along a path from northern Thailand to the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

The major roadblock to this theory has been the insistence from India and Pakistan that their radar network showed no such unidentified aircraft entering or traversing their airspace. It would seem highly unlikely given such information that a Boeing 777 could indeed slip through undetected.

As a hobby pilot and aviation enthusiast, a theory began to form in my own mind on this 10th day as all of the latest information began to trickle in slowly through media outlets globally. After being unable to escape the idea that it may have happened, I began to do some analysis and research and what I discovered was very troubling to me!

Starting with a set of facts that have been made available publically and verified over the past few days, I first plotted MH370’s course onto an aviation IFR map which shows the airways and waypoints used to navigate the skies. I plotted the point where it stopped transmitting ADS-B information at 1721UTC. I then plotted the Malaysian military radar track from that point towards “VAMPI”, “GIVAL”, and then onward toward “IGREX” on P628 ending with where the plane should be at 1815UTC when military radar lost contact.

That chart looks like this:

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Source: SkyVector.com

Nothing profound there… but then I looked to see what other planes were in the air at 1815UTC and I looked to see exactly where they were positioned in the sky and where they were flying. The picture started to develop when I discovered that another Boeing 777 was en-route from Singapore over the Andaman Sea.

imageSource: FlightRadar24.com

I investigated further and plotted the exact coordinates of Singapore Airlines flight number 68’s location at 1815UTC onto the aviation map. I quickly realized that SIA68 was in the immediate vicinity as the missing MH370 flight at precisely the same time. Moreover, SIA68 was en-route on a heading towards the same IGREX waypoint on airway P628 that the Malaysian military radar had shown MH370 headed towards at precisely the same time.

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Source: SkyVector.com

It became apparent as I inspected SIA68’s flight path history that MH370 had maneuvered itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 18:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68. All the pieces of my theory had been fitting together with the facts that have been publically released and I began to feel a little uneasy.

Singapore Airlines Flight 68 proceeded across the Andaman Sea into the Bay of Bengal and finally into India’s airspace. From there it appears to have proceeded across India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and finally Turkmenistan before proceeding onward across Europe to its final destination of Barcelona, Spain.

This map depicts the approximate flight path of SIA flight 68 on that particular day. Additional detail will be required from each countries aviation authorities to establish exact particulars of the route.

image
Source: SkyVector.com

So by now, you may have caught on or you may be scratching your head and wondering if I’ve gone insane! How does SIA68 have anything to do with MH370 disappearing? Remember the one challenge that is currently making everyone doubt that MH370 actually flew to Turkmenistan, Iran, China, or Kyrgyzstan? That challenge is the thought that MH370 couldn’t make it through several key airspaces such as India or Afghanistan without being detected by the military.

It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying “dark” without transponder / ADS-B output, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens.

Wouldn’t the SIA68 flight have detected MH370? NO! The Boeing 777 utilizes a TCAS system for traffic avoidance; the system would ordinarily provide alerts and visualization to pilots if another airplane was too close. However that system only operates by receiving the transponder information from other planes and displaying it for the pilot. If MH370 was flying without the transponder, it would have been invisible to SIA68.

In addition, the TCAS system onboard MH370 would have enabled the pilot(s) to easily locate and approach SIA68 over the Straits of Malacca as they appeared to have done. The system would have shown them the flight’s direction of travel and the altitude it was traveling which would have enabled them to perfectly time an intercept right behind the other Boeing 777. Here is a picture of a TCAS system onboard a 777.

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How does this solve the mystery??? We know MH370 didn’t fly to Spain! Once MH370 had cleared the volatile airspaces and was safe from being detected by military radar sites in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan it would have been free to break off from the shadow of SIA68 and could have then flown a path to it’s final landing site. There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xingjian province, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan. Each of these final locations would match up almost perfectly with the 7.5 hours of total flight time and trailing SIA68. In addition, these locations are all possibilities that are on the “ARC” and fit with the data provided by Inmarsat from the SATCOM’s last known ping at 01:11UTC.

There are too many oddities in this whole story that don’t make sense if this theory isn’t the answer in my opinion. Why did MH370 fly a seemingly haphazard route and suddenly start heading northwest towards the Andaman Islands on P628? If not for this reason, it seems like a rather odd maneuver. The timing and evasive actions seem deliberate. Someone went through great lengths to attempt to become stealthy and disable ACARS, transponder/ADS-B (even though SATCOM to Inmarsat was left powered).

After looking at all the details, it is my opinion that MH370 snuck out of the Bay of Bengal using SIA68 as the perfect cover. It entered radar coverage already in the radar shadow of the other 777, stayed there throughout coverage, and then exited SIA68’s shadow and then most likely landed in one of several land locations north of India and Afghanistan.

Sources: SkyVector.com, FlightRadar24.com, FlightAware.com, CNN.com, Reuters.com.

-Keith L.

KeithLCincy@gmail.com

[kathy88]

Okay here's a whopper of a conspiracy theory. This was posted by someone in my FedBook feed, I've asked him to point me to a source when I hear back I'll link it.

Four days after flight MH370 goes missing, a patent is approved. 4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX. The fifth is the company itself. Each patent is divided into 20% increments to the 5 holders -

Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Freescale Semiconductor (20%)

If a patent holder dies, the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased so long as it's not disputed in a will. If 4 of the 5 Patent holders die, then the remaining Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent. That remaining Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor. Who owns Freescale Semiconductor? Answer - Jacob Rothschild! NOW HOW ABOUT THAT! He owns it through Blackstone who themselves own Freescale. Here's your motive for the missing Beijing plane - all 4 Chinese Patent members were passengers on the missing plane.

Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. However, they can only do that when the Patent is approved. (For me this is just another daft rule. It simply enables evil-minded scum the opportunity to commit skulduggery). So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved. As soon as the plane went missing, in other words 'operation successful' the Patent is approved & thank you very much! Mr. Rothschild once again gets the lot - 100% Patent holder, that is once the other 4 Patent holders are declared deceased. What a lovely world we live in! Blatant as you like!

[kathy88]

Here's a link.

http://abundantlifeliving.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/update-to-missing-malaysia-flight-mh370-patents-freescale-and-rothschilds/

[liberty2897]

I could definitely be wrong here, but I think an employee of Freescale who holds a percentage of a patent will get little more than a pat on the back for job well done. I don't think it really entitles them to anything personally.

[Thor]

Okay here's a whopper of a conspiracy theory. This was posted by someone in my FedBook feed, I've asked him to point me to a source when I hear back I'll link it.

Four days after flight MH370 goes missing, a patent is approved. 4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX. The fifth is the company itself. Each patent is divided into 20% increments to the 5 holders -

Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Freescale Semiconductor (20%)

If a patent holder dies, the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased so long as it's not disputed in a will. If 4 of the 5 Patent holders die, then the remaining Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent. That remaining Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor. Who owns Freescale Semiconductor? Answer - Jacob Rothschild! NOW HOW ABOUT THAT! He owns it through Blackstone who themselves own Freescale. Here's your motive for the missing Beijing plane - all 4 Chinese Patent members were passengers on the missing plane.

Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. However, they can only do that when the Patent is approved. (For me this is just another daft rule. It simply enables evil-minded scum the opportunity to commit skulduggery). So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved. As soon as the plane went missing, in other words 'operation successful' the Patent is approved & thank you very much! Mr. Rothschild once again gets the lot - 100% Patent holder, that is once the other 4 Patent holders are declared deceased. What a lovely world we live in! Blatant as you like!

More on the Freescale idea, from a few days ago:

http://govtslaves.info/20-passengers-missing-malaysia-flight-dod-employees-involved-electronic-warfare-weapons-can-cloak-make-planes-invisible/



20 Passengers From Missing Malaysia Flight Were DOD Employees Involved In Electronic Warfare & Weapons That Can “Cloak” Or Make Planes Invisible

(Deborah Dupre) Did Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 with 239 people aboard tragically disintegrate in mid-flight, as official investigators postulate? Or has it been disappeared with electronic weaponry used inelectronic warfare that at least twenty passengers’ employer is contracted by the Department of Defense to make, as this reporter posits?

While four passengers who boarded amissing Malaysian jet are under special investigation for stolen and other passport-related issues, twenty passengers were involved in cutting edge electronic technology used for defense purposes, including electronic warfare, such as weapons that can “cloak” or make planes invisible, appearing to vanish. If this is the case with the missing jet, the event points to terrorism.

The public is told that investigators report the missing Malaysian jet possibly “disintegrated” into thin air. “Officials investigating the disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jetliner with 239 people on board suspect it may have disintegrated in mid-flight, a senior source said on Sunday, as Vietnam reported a possible sighting of wreckage from the plane,” Reuters reports.

Adding to the mysterious tragedy is that not one country checked databases for information about stolen passports used to board the Malaysia Airlines flight. Interpol said Sunday that not one country checked its database for information about stolen passports used to board the Malaysia Airlines flight.

Secretary general of Interpol, Ronald K. Noble, said Sunday no checks had been conducted by the authorities in Malaysia or any other country about the two passports before the Boeing 777-200 left on Flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

In a forceful statement, Mr. Noble warned “only a handful of countries” around the world routinely made such checks.

“This is a situation we had hoped never to see,” he said. “For years, Interpol has asked why should countries wait for a tragedy to put prudent security measures in place at borders and boarding gates.”

Catastrophic events occurring during the cruise phase of flight are exceedingly rare these days. Given the altitude, few opportunities for weather or piloting deficiencies exist. Even an engine failure would still provide options.

Two aspects not reported regarding the mystery are: 1) using today’s electronic weaponry, a plane can seemingly “vanish,” and 2) passengers aboard the missing Malaysia jet linking to contracts with the Department of Defense defense and high-tech electronic weaponry.

Today’s electronic warfare (EW) capability includes weaponry that can hide planes. Electronic weaponry is not only available, it is being deployed. Is this being used to hide or “cloak” the “vanished” plane?

Cloaking technology

New electronic weapons allow jamming, blinding, deafening and more, so that a plane could possibly vanish from radar detection and security systems would not be activated. Basic radar Electronic Counter-Measure strategies used in electronic warfare (EW) are: 1) radar interference, 2) target modifications, and 3) changing electrical properties of air.

For example, a U.S. intelligence assessment described to The Daily Beast by current and former U.S. intelligence officials, concluded any Israeli attack on Iran would go far beyond fighter plane airstrikes and would likely deploy EW against Iran’s electric grid, Internet, cellphone network, and emergency frequencies for firemen and police officers.

“For example, Israel has developed a weapon capable of mimicking a maintenance cellphone signal that commands a cell network to “sleep,” effectively stopping transmissions, officials confirmed. The Israelis also have jammers capable of creating interference within Iran’s emergency frequencies for first responders.”

In a 2007, “the Syrian military got a taste of this warfare when Israeli planes ‘spoofed’ the country’s air-defense radars, at first making it appear that no jets were in the sky and then in an instant making the radar believe the sky was filled with hundreds of planes.”

Last year, it was announced that new stealth technology makes airplanes invisible not only to radar, it also renders them hidden to the human eye as well — “just like an invisibility cloak in a Hollywood sci-fi thriller,” reported Military.com.

China had just touted its work on a “cloaking” technology using a hexagonal array of glass-like panels to bend light around an object, obscuring it from view, as though hidden by an invisibility cloak. Experts confirmed that the technology was legit — and not unlike American and European projects from the past few years.

“The general public … might not hear about how far the U.S. has really come, because it is and should remain classified,” firearms expert Chris Sajnog, a former Navy SEAL, told FoxNews.com. “Other countries are still playing catch-up — but they’re closing the gap.”

Military.com stated, “But while classified work progresses, several public projects from universities and military supply companies show just how real this futuristic technology is.”

“Major arms developers such as BAE Systems readily acknowledge work on this kind of technology, such as the Adaptiv program, which aims to hide armored vehicles.”

“The U.S. military is among many who have expressed interest in Adaptiv, which could be transferred to other platforms, such as ships and helicopters,” said Mike Sweeney, a spokesman for BAE.

On the other hand, some experts dispute these new technologies can work at all.

“Invisibility cloak is a poorly chosen term,” Thomas Way, associate professor of computing science at Villanova University, wrote to FoxNews.com in an email. “Invisible to what? We already have stealth aircraft that are invisible to radar (usually), but there is absolutely no way given our current understanding of physics that something could be made invisible to the naked eye… If that’s what they are claiming, it’s a hoax.”

In Electronic Warfare jargon, however, electronic countermeasure exists. ECM is an electrical or electronic device designed to trick or deceive radar, sonar or other detection systems, like infrared (IR) or lasers.

ECM can be used offensively and defensively to deny targeting information to an enemy.

The system can “make the real target appear to disappear or move about randomly. It is used effectively to protect aircraft from guided missiles.


“Most air forces use ECM to protect their aircraft from attack. It has also been deployed by military ships and recently on some advanced tanks to fool laser/IR guided missiles. It is frequently coupled with stealth advances so that the ECM systems have an easier job. Offensive ECM often takes the form of jamming. Defensive ECM includes using blip enhancement and jamming of missile terminal homers.”

Austin-based Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) launched a major initiative dedicated to serving RF power needs of U.S. aerospace and defense (A&D) sector. It has a team of specialists dedicated to supporting defense customers.

Freescale confirmed yesterday that of the 239 passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, 20 are employed by the leading edge electronic company: twelve from Malaysia and eight from China.

The company’s key product solutions include those for electric vehicles, as this reporter highlighted yesterday:

“Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) is a global leader in embedded processing solutions, providing industry leading products that are advancing the automotive, consumer, industrial and networking markets,” the company says on its website and in its statement today. ”… our technologies are the foundation for the innovations that make our world greener, safer, healthier and more connected.”

Freescale says its “key applications and end-markets include: automotive safety,hybrid and all-electric vehicles, next generation wireless infrastructure,smart energy management, portable medical devices, consumer appliances and smart mobile devices. The company is based in Austin, Texas, and has design, research and development, manufacturing and sales operations around the world.www.freescale.com

Freescale’s commercial products meet requirements of applications such as:

Battlefield communications
Avionics
HF through L- and S-Band radar
Missile guidance
Electronic warfare
Identification, friend or foe (IFF)

Human rights regarding security and privacy, possibly terrorism

Evidence of terrorism and human rights related to security and privacy continue mounting regarding the jet with 239 people on board, less than an hour after leaving Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, bound for Beijing.

While everyone who boarded the plane are being investigated, four are under particular investigation. Two had stolen passports to board the now vanished Malaysia plane. They bought their tickets with two other people who boarded the plane and are also targets of the investigation. Now, ESP reports that the stolen passports may have been found.

A Chinese national, whose passport number was listed on the passenger manifest, did not board the plane, is still in China, and this individual’s passport was never stolen, China’s state media reported. The stolen passport carriers and the other two suspects have increased officials’ suspicions that the event is one of terrorism, officials say, but continue to stress that the event has not been declared a terrorist event.

Hishammuddin Hussein, who holds two ministerial positions, said that “the four names are with me,” added that the investigation was focusing on “the entire passenger manifest,” and said FBI investigators have joined the probe.

Names of all the passengers is on the manifest here.

Military radar indicated the plane possibly turned from its flight route before losing contact: “There is a distinct possibility the airplane did a turn-back, deviating from the course,” Malaysian air force chief General Rodzali Daud said Sunday, citing radar data but not revealing which direction the plane possibly took when it went off route.

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the Boeing 777′s systems would have set off alarm bells if it changed course.

That, however, is assuming electronic weaponry was not used.

Sources: Reuters, CNN, New York Times, Military.com, The Daily Beast

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[Brian4Liberty]

Another interesting theory...

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

That one is very interesting... Hiding in the shadow of another 777.

[HOLLYWOOD]

BeforeIt'sNews: All Eyes On Diego Garcia (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/all-eyes-on-diego-garcia-2920270.html)

Tomnod.com Sighting .... Wtf is this plane doing here? Could this be Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 ? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1002982/pg1)

Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68 (another 777)? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1002914/pg1)

Joint Defence Facility Pine Gap: CIA & NSA eye on the eastern hemisphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap)

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) (CIA) and the U.S. National Security Agency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency) (NSA), the station is a key contributor to the global surveillance network ECHELON (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png23.799°S 133.737°E (https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Pine_Gap&params=23.799_S_133.737_E_type:landmark_region:AU)


Global surveillance
On 11 July 2013, ex-CIA contractor and CIA employee Edward Snowden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden) revealed documents which showed Pine Gap, amongst three other locations in Australia and one in New Zealand, are amongst those used in the PRISM surveillance program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29) conducted by various United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) intelligence agencies.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap#cite_note-11)

The Australian Government announced it would investigate the impact of PRISM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29) and the use of the Pine Gap facility on the privacy of Australian citizens.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap#cite_note-12)

United States drone strikes

One of the station's primary functions is to locate radio signals in the world's Eastern Hemisphere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Hemisphere), with the collected information fed into the controversial U.S. drone programme.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap#cite_note-13) [14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap#cite_note-14)


Secret Military Base: The Pine Gap Facility In Australia (http://transmissionsmedia.com/secret-military-base-the-pine-gap-facility-in-australia/)


http://www.darkgovernment.com/pinegap.jpg


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[Thor]

Another interesting theory...

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68


That one is very interesting... Hiding in the shadow of another 777.

If you look at the claim of the 20 Freescale employees (confirmed from the Freescale website) and "maybe" 4 of those Freescale employees were the patent holders (not confirmed on the manifest); and you cross that with what they were "supposedly" working on, if the shadowing of SIA68 /SQ68 theory is correct, perhaps it was to take these DoD employees / scientists from Freescale hostage to steal the technology they were working on.

Now who would want to steal technology like that, that was within reach of the fuel on the plane and the ARC? Cross that thought with the 2 (or 4, I can follow it all anymore) passports stolen / persons of interest? And?

Theories and speculation are still running rampant, obviously, but these 2 - Freescale and shadowing - "could" go hand in hand. And the fact that relatives claim they could call cellphones of passengers and saw them logged into QQ, only supports the safe landing theory.... somewhere within a cell network that was not thought about being disabled prior to bringing the plane in, by whomever wanted the plane or people on the plane.

[FindLiberty]

Thread title wording ~like, "Hijacking Confirmed" might be popular, but it could be 100% wrong.

Without finding it intact, the wreckage/debris field, an oil slick or being able to recover the black box data so far, it's possible they have prematurely dismissed the Fishermen/Villager eyewitness stories and the possibility of a catastrophic technical failure scenario that could still fit with all the other clues of flight path heading and altitude changes.

IMO, the popular hijacking paranoia human drama hype has completely distracted us from discovering another technical safety issue that could threaten other 777’s that may also be vulnerable to the same sort of catastrophic failure. And/or they all just fell into deep oxygen deprived sleep and crashed!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/16/opinion/palmer-malaysia-flight-370/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/16/opinion/palmer-malaysia-flight-370/)

[MelissaCato]

I think the plane landed successfully at an undisclosed location. Liked planned. :cool:

[vita3]

http://images.uncyc.org/commons/thumb/2/2f/DCopperfield_MagicFinger_VitalOD.jpg/300px-DCopperfield_MagicFinger_VitalOD.jpg

All fingers point to this guy making it "dissapear"

[buck000]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but how about this simple theory:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

???

[Thor]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but how about this simple theory:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

???

That is all well and good and has some sense to it, but after 10 or 11 days (however long it has been now), I would think that either the airport or the pilots, or passengers that landed at that runway would say "Hey, we are here, we are ok." And if it crashed at that runway, or attempting to reach that runway, then they would have been located by now.

So this would be a good theory in the first 24 hours after going missing... but by now, I don't think so.

[Uriel999]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but how about this simple theory:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

???

That actually makes a lot of good sense. Imagine that; no space aliens, no government conspiracy, no super secret sci-fi technologies, not even a radicalized political terrorist...just an electrical fire.

[Christopher A. Brown]

Yes vita3. And while speculating, no information upon solution to ANY problem is learned or refined into functional action.


I haven't been interested for one second in trying to follow this media driven story, which had been shoved in front of everybody's face.

So much wasted time speculationing the complete unkown IMO

thoughtomator wrote:
"When information is restricted on a topic like this you have to float hypotheses"

No, the NWO needs to make you think you have to do that to keep you from focusing on solution.

SOLUTION:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?444637-Georgia-House-approves-Article-V-convention&p=5433668&viewfull=1#post5433668

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?445586-Only-Sincere-Americans-Accept-The-Root-Purpose-Of-Free-Speech

[Brian4Liberty]

Sorry if this has already been posted, but how about this simple theory:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

???


The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.

That is the best hypothesis so far. And the best part? There were witnesses who saw the damn plane fly low over the Maldives, which is where the plane would go on that heading if everyone was incapacitated, or the plane so badly damaged that it could not be taken off of autopilot and landed at the Palau Langkawi airport.

[Brian4Liberty]

That actually makes a lot of good sense. Imagine that; no space aliens, no government conspiracy, no super secret sci-fi technologies, not even a radicalized political terrorist...just an electrical fire.

Shocking!

[Brian4Liberty]

Witnesses?


Missing Malaysian jetliner: Maldives islanders saw 'low flying plane'

As multiple nations search for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 frantically, reports are emerging that the plane was spotted by some people near the Maldivian islands.

Maldivian news website Haveeru reported that residents of the remote Maldives island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll said they saw a "low-flying jumbo jet" around 6.15am (Maldivian time) on March 8, the day when the flight disappeared. It also said the residents reported that that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it like the planes operated by Malaysia Airlines.

READ ALSO: Mystery deepens as new timeline revealed

Haveeru quoted an eyewitness as saying: "I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly."

The eyewitness said many other people on the island have also seen the plane.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/Missing-Malaysian-jetliner-Maldives-islanders-saw-low-flying-plane/articleshow/32251148.cms

[angelatc]

Okay here's a whopper of a conspiracy theory. This was posted by someone in my FedBook feed, I've asked him to point me to a source when I hear back I'll link it.

Four days after flight MH370 goes missing, a patent is approved. 4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX. The fifth is the company itself. Each patent is divided into 20% increments to the 5 holders -

Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Freescale Semiconductor (20%)

If a patent holder dies, the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased so long as it's not disputed in a will. If 4 of the 5 Patent holders die, then the remaining Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent. That remaining Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor. Who owns Freescale Semiconductor? Answer - Jacob Rothschild! NOW HOW ABOUT THAT! He owns it through Blackstone who themselves own Freescale. Here's your motive for the missing Beijing plane - all 4 Chinese Patent members were passengers on the missing plane.

Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. However, they can only do that when the Patent is approved. (For me this is just another daft rule. It simply enables evil-minded scum the opportunity to commit skulduggery). So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved. As soon as the plane went missing, in other words 'operation successful' the Patent is approved & thank you very much! Mr. Rothschild once again gets the lot - 100% Patent holder, that is once the other 4 Patent holders are declared deceased. What a lovely world we live in! Blatant as you like!

As usual, I call bullshit. . Right off the bat: Patent #US8650327 (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=8650327.PN.&OS=PN/8650327&RS=PN/8650327) is indeed a Freescale patent, but none of the names listed there (also above) appear on the passenger manifest. (http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1443730/full-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-passenger-list)

[Zippyjuan]

When few if any facts are known, people come up with all kinds of ideas as to what they think happened. Sometimes they do that when there ARE lots of facts as well.

[jjdoyle]

That actually makes a lot of good sense. Imagine that; no space aliens, no government conspiracy, no super secret sci-fi technologies, not even a radicalized political terrorist...just an electrical fire.

I'm not sure that an electrical fire really makes sense. From what we know the pilots were very experienced (one with a flight simulator in his house), and if there was an emergency on board enough for them to be able to turn the plan around using the computer systems, I would THINK they would have radioed in the emergency as well.
And if people are saying it was an electrical fire that somehow put out EVERYTHING of use on the plane, that would have included the computer systems.

But, there are odd things, like the transponder issue. Reports saying it might have been turned off very early, before the final radio call. The whole thing is odd, and maybe it did just crash in the middle of the ocean, but something would have had to happen very, very, very quickly for the pilots to not radio an emergency.

[vita3]

"The whole thing is odd"

No sir.

The whole thing is media bullshit.

[dannno]

I've been wanting to go to the Maldives since forever..

http://www.wavehunters.com/files/cache/0ea59197b65fce8e2bc2e817d28c8f4a.jpg

http://www.surftravel.com.au/Content/Images/Tiger-Stripes/Tiger-Stripes-Maldives-Surf-Travel-1.jpg

http://www.worldsurfaris.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Maldives-surf-8.jpg

[dannno]

When few if any facts are known, people come up with all kinds of ideas as to what they think happened. Sometimes they do that when there ARE lots of facts as well.

Or when the "facts" are based on very shaky footing.

[FindLiberty]

...something would have had to happen very, very, very quickly for the pilots to not radio an emergency.

Yea, something like those pesky Lithium batteries exploding in a smoky metallic fireball
followed by some rapid cursin’ and frantic manual circuit breaker "flip-N-zee-off’n"?

Don mask, Aviate, Navigate, Communicate... (if the power is still on). Say prayers if you got 'em!

[gwax23]

The Rothschilds? You have got to be kidding me.... Its almost comical at this point.

I want to see the cargo manifest.

[jjdoyle]

"The whole thing is odd"

No sir.

The whole thing is media bullshit.

You will rarely, if ever, see me defend the media. They are simply puppets.

But, you didn't really state what you think happened, other than a nice David Copperfield career revival. :)

[Mani]

I have no clue on this one.

Very well could have landed in Diego Garcia, because of the suspicious cargo, and some folks in the Maldives saw it buzzing overhead. And maybe it somehow links to the 2 dead marines who were supposedly watching over the suspicious cargo. It's a neat theory:


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Malaysia-Airlines-mystery-Singapore-Airlines-shadow-US-suspicious-cargo-and-other-theories-keep-kins-hope-alive/articleshow/32257782.cms



But it is odd taking 200+ passengers with you. First of all, why not just send the suspicious cargo in a cargo plane? It will not create as much media if a cargo plane disappears and a small crew of 5-10 employees of the airline die or disappear. It wouldn't cause a world wide monthly long story that the entire planet is talking about.


"Well they had to use a passenger 777, they had no choice because of bla bla bla"

OK, if they had to and the powers at be are the true monsters with no regard for human life....WHY NOT land the plane secretly in Diego Garcia...OFF LOAD the cargo...Then fly it back up and crash it somewhere in that circle of 8 hours?

Wouldn't that get the world to move on? Or do you think the damn black box is too sophisticated to be tampered with and it would show the plane landed and took off again and they don't have the ability to mess with it....

In that case, maybe they are waiting for 30 days before the damn box finally runs out of battery, then they will fly it up and crash it somewhere.

But it sure seems odd that a black box is that mysterious and impossible to crack that they would hold onto 200+ people and keep the world searching for 30 days...coz of one box. Sounds far fetched....

I would totally believe a conspiracy of the thing landing, then taking off, and then crashing in a remote area no ones been to yet, so that it gets found eventually. I think they could have done that in the first 24-48 hours. Not a couple weeks later. Why make it a mystery and draw more and more attention each passing day.


It's a fascinating and scary story. I have no idea what to believe. I'm ready to believe it landed on a secret island and I'm ready to believe it crashed somewhere. But I'm just waiting if it did crash...man there should be a piece of luggage floating around somewhere....But it's a pretty big ocean too. That's a lot of water to cover...I hope we get some answers soon. :(

[Dianne]

Missing Nukes Fuel Terror Concern

October 14, 2013, while everyone is focused on the government shutdown, veterans are scrambling to try to pay bills, and the entire nation is on hold all of a sudden the worst possible thing happens. Up 50 to nukes go missing! The American public is none the wiser.


On October 12, 2013, ABC’s Dianne Sawyer brought us a video of a 9th, yes 9th, General fired from the military this week. It’s even reaching some of the more liberal stations and begging them to ask the question, “What is going on?” It seems President Obama is preparing what he calls “my military” for his version of the final solution. With all the documentation we have, it looks as though he is purging the military for the next step.

We have now seen this official President Obama temper-tantrum in action this week. But is it a temper-tantrum or is there a method to his madness?

Then Yesterday:

President Obama dissed Russia as a “regional power” on Tuesday and said his bigger worry is a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan.


I don't know, but there is a possibility Pres. O let his plans slip out yesterday regarding the next false flag event. And this plane could possibly be one of the actors. Needless to say, the U.S. Government has been less than forthcoming with information we know they have to know.

[vita3]

You will rarely, if ever, see me defend the media. They are simply puppets.

But, you didn't really state what you think happened, other than a nice David Copperfield career revival. :)

I have no idea what really happened, don't care that much & am not going to bullshit anyone on this.

peace

[green73]

Satellite Detects About 300 Objects Near Search Area As One Expert Says It’s ‘Highly Likely That It Is Trash’


[O]ne expert told CBS News it was “highly likely that it is trash and not evidence of the plane.”

Charles Moore, who’s been studying ocean trash for nearly 20 years at the Algalita Marine Research Institute in Long Beach, Calif., points out that there are “thousands of shipping containers lost overboard every year” in that part of the Indian Ocean. The objects could even be from the 2004 tsunami in Indonesia, Moore added.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/27/satellite-detects-nearly-300-objects-near-search-area-as-one-expert-says-its-highly-likely-that-it-is-trash/

[Natural Citizen]

From 2006...

Boeing wins Patent on Uninterruptible Autopilot System (http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptible-autopilot-system)




“Although airplane cockpit door locks are now standard, worries remain about terrorists taking control of a plane a la 9/11, perhaps by extorting the pilots into opening the door against their better judgement. Elsewhere in today’s issue we report on a new Raytheon contract to develop software that uses type of craft, location, and fuel capacity to determine the safest route for a hijacked or otherwise compromised aircraft. This is a great idea, one that must have Chicago, Illinois-based Boeing excited — not out of envy but because it improves the value of its recently awarded patent for a system that, once activated, takes control of the airplane away from the pilots and flies it to a predtermined landing position. Put the Raytheon and the Boeing systems together — now that’s a good idea.

“Boeing’s is, of course, not the first autopilot technology in existence, but this one has been designed with counterterrorism first and foremost in mind. Not only is it ‘uninterruptible’ — so that even a tortured pilot cannot turn it off — but it can be activated remotely via radio or satellite by government agencies.”

[FindLiberty]

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptible-autopilot-system

...stated at the very end:


To make it fully independent, the system also has its own power supply, independent of the aircraft’s circuit breakers.
(Please, don't add more potential exploding batteries on-board when even a shut-down engine could still juice it!)

Does financial liability also get "awarded" along with their patent?
It looks like such a juicy cyber-terror acquisition target, why would any sane person approve a "ground activation" option, unless only motivated by money?

[green73]

Investigators reveal MH370 co-pilot tried to make a call from his mobile phone after the aircraft 'vanished' but 'was abruptly cut off' as U.S. deny reports the plane landed at their remote military base

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603075/Co-pilot-missing-flight-MH370-desperate-call-mobile-phone-AFTER-aircraft-lost-normal-communication-ground.html

[FindLiberty]

SEE! It really isn't safe to text and fly after all!

In fact, what about the safety of even using a cell phone in-flight; aren't they known to interfere with the navigation system?

FAA rule SIJ#1, Click it or Ticket!

+++

I'm starting to think there might have been alien autopsy medical research cargo onboard (the heads from those Tall Grays moved from Roswell). That's what made that entire flight a target to be re-ducted mid-flight by angry aliens from a huge UFO that started shadowing them just moments before that last phone call...

[Thor]

Will the agony ever end for MH370 families? Now search teams think they may be looking in the wrong place for debris amid fresh rumour it may have LANDED
Published: 00:43 EST, 22 April 2014 | Updated: 12:10 EST, 22 April 2014

Sources with the search team say the aircraft may have landed somewhere, rather than crashed into the Indian Ocean as previously believed
If no debris is found in the next few days the team may shift search focus
Fits with alleged sightings of MH370 at the time of disappearance

The fruitless search for the missing Malaysian Airlines jet might have to start all over again from scratch if no clues to its fate are found in coming days, it was claimed today.

The international team searching the Indian Ocean for the Boeing 777 are now considering the seemingly impossible scenario of the aircraft having 'landed' somewhere, instead of crashing in the southern Indian Ocean.

'We may have to regroup soon to look into this possibility if no positive results come back in the next few days,' sources within the International Investigation Team were quoted as telling the New Straits Times today.

While the sources have not suggested which country the aircraft might have landed - or crashed - in, the possibility that an entirely new search in a different area is in line with suggestions by the Mail weeks ago that alleged sightings of a low-flying aircraft could have located it in a different place than the ocean.

'The thought of it landing somewhere else is not impossible, as we have not found a single debris that could be linked to MH370,' sources were quoted as telling the paper.

'However, the possibility of a specific country hiding the plane when more than 20 nations are searching for it, seems absurd,' said the sources.

But they admitted that it was difficult to determine if the plane had really ended in the Indian Ocean, despite calculations seeming to point to that direction.

The Mail reported early in the search that fishermen and villagers living in north east Malaysia had filed official statements with police claiming to have seen - or heard - a low-flying aircraft at the time when MH370 lost all contact with ground control.

More: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610035/MH370-landed-not-crashed-Indian-Ocean.html

[FindLiberty]

So sad,

Multiple eyewitnesses, could "see the doors" (not just windows).
I think they all pointed out the same SW direction as they told their stories, it went out over that-ah-way.
Loud noise (engines running?) had people coming out of their homes to see what was happening.
They were reporting this stuff to local police before they were aware of "a missing airplane".


STRIKER, YOU'RE TOO LOW!
Ted Striker: concentrate... concentrate... I've got to concentrate... concentrate... concentrate...

Probably only a few more miles in the air if still in powered flight mode.

Does this all jive and establish a straight flight path that lines up for a water approach to some runway?

It's a real shame.

[Thor]

Or, fly low to avoid radar...

[Thor]

http://www.examiner.com/article/mh370-update-there-actually-is-a-conspiracy-says-voice370






Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has been missing for seven months, but according to an Oct.25 Malaysiakini news report, a leading aviation expert has detailed information about Flight MH370 and the Boeing 777 that the Malaysian government is in possession of and is refusing to release.

The aviation expert that Malaysiakini is referring to is Des Ross, a pilot and air traffic management specialist with 35 years of experience. In his detailed report published on Oct. 23, Des Ross points out that even after seven months, Malaysian officials have not shared the communication recording between the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) and civil air traffic control (ATC).

Beijing bound Flight MH370 which departed from Kuala Lumpur International Airport on March 8 was carrying 239 passengers when it lost contact with ATC over the South China Sea at 1.20 a.m. Military radar detected the Boeing 777 at 2.15 a.m. but took no action? Malaysia Airlines reportedly did not learn about the missing plane until 7:24 a.m., raising the question – what really happened during those hours?

"We have also been told that the military determined that it was a civil aircraft and, therefore, of no concern to them,” says Ross adding that under international norms the RMAF would have contacted the civil ATC to help identify the unknown aircraft or vice versa. If radio contact cannot be established, the RMAF would have scrambled jets to follow it. “This simple coordination between military and civil officers should have solved the issue then and there. It is hard to believe that this did not occur.”

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has been missing for seven months, and in addition to having no information about any communication between the RMAF and ATC, Malaysian authorities have not released the full cargo manifest of MH370. With so much media coverage about the missing Boeing 777, this is hard to believe – especially for the family members of MH370.

“We urge the authorities to make a full release of all cargo carried onboard MH370, stating clearly what was in the cargo hold,” read an official Oct. 23 statement by Voice370, a group representing the family members of the MH370 passengers. The cargo manifest released by Malaysia Airlines on May 1 is still incomplete.

“Citing MAS, Voice370 said that the 2,453kg of cargo from NNR Logistics included 221kg of lithium iron batteries, which the remaining 2,232kg worth of cargo aboard MH370 were simply declared as radio accessories and chargers. The preliminary report, the group noted, suggested that a number of forwarding firms had consignments on the Boeing 777 aircraft, including Kerry Logistic’s 2,250kg, Kintetsu Express’s 646kg, Panalpina’s 32kg and Malaysian Express’s 6kg.”

Families of the still-missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH370 are continuing their communication via their Facebook page and repeated their demand that Malaysia Airlines release the full cargo manifest of the Boeing 777, saying its continued refusal to do so suggests a possible conspiracy. In regard to Des Ross questioning about the hours after the plane went missing, Voice370 writes, “Thank you for the write up Des Ross. All your doubts about the first four hours resonate with us.” Voice370 also stated that there is no reason for continuing to withhold information about Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 “unless there is a conspiracy to hide information from the public domain with a conscious effort to ensure the truth cannot be ascertained.”

[Mani]

Was talking to some Singaporeans and Chinese folks and they felt Diego Garcia conspiracy theory is a definite possibility. They felt it is possible the chinese were trying to steal some USA secrets, and the reason the China gov't didn't make a giant stink about it was because they were involved...so they have been very quiet on the issue. Otherwise they felt the China gov't would have gone full blown blame and shame mode and raised hell about the majority Chinese missing passengers and would not have passed up an opportunity to make a stink about it.

[Natural Citizen]

MH370 was 'shot down by US military', claims former French airline boss (http://rt.com/news/216675-mh370-shot-down-us/)



A former French airline CEO Marc Dugain claims that the US may have shot down Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 and then covered it up, adding to a rash of conflicting theories about the missing plane.

In a six-page article published by French weekly Paris Match, Dugain claims that the Boeing 777 may have got into trouble and as it was approaching the US military base on the British territory of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, it was shot down. US forces may have feared the plane was attempting a 9/11 style attack on the base, Dugain said.

“It’s an extremely powerful military base. It’s surprising that the Americans have lost all trace of this aircraft. Without getting into conspiracy theories, it is a possibility that the Americans stopped this plane,” Dugain said, English-language website The Local reported (http://www.thelocal.fr/20141219/french-ex-airline-chief-missing-mh370-covered-up) Friday.

Dugain said there were witness in the Maldives, the nearest islands to Diego Garcia about 500 kilometers to the north, who claim to have seen a “huge plane flying at a really low altitude” with Malaysian Airlines colors flying toward Diego Garcia.

In August, the UK Daily Mirror reported that the MH370 was heading for the tiny Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia, but the US Embassy in Kuala Lumpur denied this. A spokesperson for the US Embassy in Malaysia told the local Star newspaper at that time that there was “no indication that MH370 flew anywhere near the Maldives or Diego Garcia.”

He added: “MH370 did not land in Diego Garcia.”

Dugain writes that the aircraft, which disappeared on March 8 with 239 people on board, while on a scheduled flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, could have been hijacked remotely and then steered toward Diego Garcia.

Another explanation, he says, is that an onboard fire forced the crew to turn off all electronic devises without damaging the plane’s exterior, allowing it to continue on autopilot with everybody on board asphyxiated.

The testimonies of witnesses in the Maldives have been suppressed, Dugain claims, adding he was approached by a British intelligence officer, who warned him he would be taking “risks” by trying to find out what really happened to the MH370. As the British own the island, it would figure they would cover up any incident, Dugain said

The US has consistently denied it has had any knowledge of the fate of the airliner, but Dugain doubts the US, which is “equipped with the best technology in the world” could have completely lost track of “a 63-meter-long object.”

Sir Tim Clark, CEO of Emirates Airlines, the world’s largest, said in October that he thought information on what happened to the doomed airliner was being withheld by some people and that even with all its electronic communications systems turned off the plane would still be traceable by powerful military radar.




Continued - http://rt.com/news/216675-mh370-shot-down-us/

[Zippyjuan]

Diego Garcia is over 2000 miles the wrong direction from the way the airplane was flying (about eight hours flying time) while returning to their departure point would have been about two hours from their last radio contact point. It is completely illogical that a plane in trouble tried to fly eight hours in the wrong direction when there were numerous other airports available at much closer distances. (actually it would be closer to ten hours flight to Diego Garcia for the plane since it had already flown at least two hours towards China).

The flight to Beijing was scheduled to be about six hours so I doubt they would have had ten hours worth of fuel on the plane. (actually they would have needed twelve hours of fuel- two hours they had already flown towards China, two hours back towards Malaysia and eight hours from there to Diego Garcia). That would have been far outside their range.

http://i2.wp.com/www.cabaltimes.com/wp-content/diego-garcia.jpg?resize=442%2C263

http://postmediaottawacitizen2.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/0312malaysiaflight_web.jpg

Proteus Airlines (the one Marc Dugain worked for) was a regional airline which went out of business in 2001. He is more known as an author. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dugain Their fleet consisted of fifteen Brazilian Embraer ERJ135 planes. http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Proteus-Airlines

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/City_airline_embraer_erj135_se-raa_arp.jpg/220px-City_airline_embraer_erj135_se-raa_arp.jpg

[Danke]

Diego Garcia is over 2000 miles the wrong direction from the way the airplane was flying (about eight hours flying time) while returning to their departure point would have been about two hours from their last radio contact point. It is completely illogical that a plane in trouble tried to fly eight hours in the wrong direction when there were numerous other airports available at much closer distances. (actually it would be closer to ten hours flight to Diego Garcia for the plane since it had already flown at least two hours towards China).

Math is a little off. It is ~2250 NM from Phnom Penh, Cambodia to Diego Garcia. A lot of fuel is burned in the climb, so going another 2250 NM is not that great for a 777. Don't know what the winds were, but 2250 NM no wind is a little over 4 1/2 hours.

[Zippyjuan]

Thanks. Just double checked the numbers. Distance Kuala Lampur to Beijing is about the same distance as from Kuala Lampur to Diego Garcia. But again, they had already flown two hour towards Beijing which meant they were now two hours further away from Diego Garcia meaning they would need enough fuel for four more hours than their intended trip. Their intended destination would have been four hours away while Diego Garcia eight hours away from their last known point. Why try to go that far out of the way? If they had troubles, they would have headed for the nearest airport. If they didn't have troubles, they would have proceeded to their scheduled destination. There is no reason to even try to get to Diego Garcia.

[Danke]

Thanks. Just double checked the numbers. Distance Kuala Lampur to Beijing is about the same distance as from Kuala Lampur to Diego Garcia. But again, they had already flown two hour towards Beijing which meant they were now two hours further away from Diego Garcia meaning they would need enough fuel for four more hours than their intended trip. Their intended destination would have been four hours away while Diego Garcia eight hours away from their last known point. Why try to go that far out of the way? If they had troubles, they would have headed for the nearest airport. If they didn't have troubles, they would have proceeded to their scheduled destination. There is no reason to even try to get to Diego Garcia.

From the maps I have seen, no they did not even reach Cambodia yet (that is why I used that in my example). So a total of 6 1/2 hours is reasonable to reach Diego Garcia

[Zippyjuan]

From Kuala Lompur- I agree, that could be six instead of eight hours- but as I point out, they had already flown two hours the other direction they needed to backtrack (and add onto the fuel they would have needed). That is an additional four hours in the air. Planes don't like to carry too much fuel- it takes more fuel to carry the excess weight of it. If they had about seven hours worth for the trip to Beijing (enough to get there plus some extra in case they had to fly longer), they would still be three hours short on the trip to Diego Garcia.

[DFF]

It was either the US directly, a Eurofighter from the EU, or a Ukrainian fighter jet that blew up the plane.

Don't think the "good guys" are above terrorism and killing innocents in order to accomplish their goals.

[Zippyjuan]

It was either the US directly, a Eurofighter from the EU, or a Ukrainian fighter jet that blew up the plane.

Don't think the "good guys" are above terrorism and killing innocents in order to accomplish their goals.

Um- you talking about the same plane? I think you are talking about the one shot down over Ukraine- not the one which went missing on a flight from Kuala Lompur to Beijing.

[Thor]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/01/29/malaysia-flight-mh370-declared-accoide/22513121/

Malaysia declares Flight 370 disappearance an 'accident'

[Occam's Banana]

'HUGE' MH370 breakthrough in search for missing plane | 7NEWS
New tracking technology may have finally solved the mystery of missing flight MH-370. British aerospace engineer, Richard Godfrey has spent the last 9 months using technology known as 'weak signal propagation'.. to calculate the plane's final movements. He believes the wreckage is 1,900 kilometres west of Perth.. lying at a depth of 4-thousand metres.. allowing experts to hone in on a more specific underwater search. It's been 7-and-a-half years since the Malaysia Airlines flight vanished.. with 239 people on board.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQL5oHLx_l0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQL5oHLx_l0

[Brian4Liberty]

... I travel in a week and a half. I wonder if, by then, it'll require a DNA swab to make sure I'm myself.

You will require a DNA swab to prove you are not carrying the dreaded Omicron.