Illegal immies want BarryO to halt depos, sayin he is expelling people who would vote democrat

[aGameOfThrones]

Advocates for undocumented immigrants in the U.S. are insisting that President Barack Obama halt most deportations, saying he is expelling people his fellow Democrats would let stay in the country.

The change in tactics comes as some Republicans now support a path to legal status -- not citizenship -- for many of the nation’s 12 million undocumented immigrants, though Republican House Speaker John Boehner isn’t moving to revamp immigration laws this year.

Churches and labor groups, including the AFL-CIO, are using the appearance of common ground to force Obama to change policies that lead to about 1,000 deportations a day, more than under any other president. They say Obama could gain favor with Hispanic voters before the November congressional elections by easing deportations, as he did before his 2012 re-election.

“Some of the organizations that were spending almost all of their time putting pressure on Republicans have now changed their focus to putting pressure on this administration,” Representative Luis Gutierrez, an Illinois Democrat who has worked on immigration issues for two decades in Congress, said in an interview. “And these are friends and allies.”

This moves deportations to the center of a debate over whether to provide a path to citizenship for people living in the U.S. illegally, the most contentious part of a bipartisan immigration bill passed by the Senate last year.

Immigration Lobbying

More than 640 groups and companies including Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), Caterpillar Inc. (CAT) and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) lobbied on immigration issues last year, a 79 percent increase from 2012, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, said this month that Obama would increase his leverage with Republicans by halting deportations for all but violent criminals. The labor group, which claims 12.5 million members, spent $31.7 million helping elect mostly Democrats in 2012, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, said in December that Obama should reduce deportations.

Senator Richard Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the chamber, wrote in November that he was troubled that the administration deported 200,000 parents of U.S. citizens in 2012 and others who “only committed minor, nonviolent infractions, such as traffic offenses.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-24/obama-pressured-to-slow-deportations-as-bill-talks-fade.html?cmpid=yhoo

[rpfocus]

10,000,000+ illegals aren't ever going to be deported. Face it, the invasion started during Reagan's term, and he and every president since has been asleep at the wheel. Obama was the one who actually deported in meaningful numbers, but it's faaar too late. The chickens have come home to roost in the form of "Dreamers."

[PRB]

immies? is that a new word?

[aGameOfThrones]

immies™? is that a new word?

I put that since Immigrants did not fit. I don't know if it's a new word for illegals, but if it is ™

[Giuliani was there on 911]

10,000,000+ illegals aren't ever going to be deported. Face it, the invasion started during Reagan's term, and he and every president since has been asleep at the wheel. Obama was the one who actually deported in meaningful numbers, but it's faaar too late. The chickens have come home to roost in the form of "Dreamers."

First off I disagree that they can't be deported. That's just something that the media keeps repeating over and over again and they make it seem like it's 100% impossible and shouldn't ever even be discussed. But anyway we don't even have to deport them. All we really have to do is cut them off financially and most importantly of all, end birthright citizenship.

[Brian4Liberty]

I don't believe that Obama has increased deportations.

[Brian4Liberty]

The latest talking point from the leftists and the Democrats is that we need more immigration in order to save the economy.

[roho76]

We don't need to deport them. That's the false narrative as if that's the only way to solve the problem. Cut off the free shit. That's the only real option. At that point, I don't care if they're here.

[jbauer]

Whats interesting is Mexico also has an illegal immigration problem. They are flooded with Central Americans looking for work.

Its all been said, cut off the free shit (for everyone), take down the fence. Problem solved

[rpfocus]

First off I disagree that they can't be deported. That's just something that the media keeps repeating over and over again and they make it seem like it's 100% impossible and shouldn't ever even be discussed. But anyway we don't even have to deport them. All we really have to do is cut them off financially and most importantly of all, end birthright citizenship.

Agreed, except that I still believe there is no way in hell 10 million illegal immigrants would ever be deported. Yes, it is possible to do it. Would it EVER be done? Not a chance.

[Queer_Libertarian_Radical]

Its all been said, cut off the free shit (for everyone), take down the fence. Problem solved

Indeed, we don't need to build a berlin wall around Mexico as the knee jerk neo-cons have been saying. Get rid of the welfare state and the problem is solved. We don't need statist interference in immigration.

[rpfocus]

I don't believe that Obama has increased deportations.

Believe whatever you want. I'm guessing you haven't looked into it at all.

[aGameOfThrones]

Mexico on illegal immigration. Remember that guy who spent 13 months lost at sea?


While Alvarenga is from El Salvador, he began his ill-fated shark fishing trip from Mexico, where he had lived for years.

Manila-based Mexican diplomat Christian Clay Mendez, who jetted in to help handle Alvarenga's repatriation, said he had been in Mexico illegally for 15 years, which is why he would go back to El Salvador.

But he said that if after his return to El Salvador, he "goes through the proper channels, I'm sure that our embassy people in El Salvador would be more than willing to assist in getting him to Mexico legally".

"We'd be willing to look into that," he added.

http://news.yahoo.com/castaway-likely-suffering-post-traumatic-stress-says-doctor-071340720.html

[aGameOfThrones]

Report: 125,000 immigrants given deferred action eligible for Medi-Cal



A new report shows that as many as 125,000 young California immigrants may qualify for an expansion of Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program.
The Affordable Care Act bars insurance subsidies and enrollment in the Medicaid expansion for undocumented immigrants, but a wrinkle in California rules does offer coverage for those with "deferred action status."

The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program was created by President Obama in 2012 to grant immigrants who came to the country illegally as children -- sometimes called Dreamers -- legal status and work authorization for two-year periods.

Laurel Lucia, a policy analyst at the UC Berkeley Labor Center and author of the report released Tuesday, said California is one of the few states that lets youth with deferred action status enroll in Medicaid.


“But the word still hasn’t been spread,” she said.

The report found that 154,000 people in California had been granted the status as of December 2013. About 81%, or 125,000, are eligible for Medi-Cal based on their annual income, which has to be less than $15,850 for an individual.

To be eligible for deferred action, immigrants had to arrive in the U.S. before they were 16, be under 31 as of June 2012 and to have continuously lived in the U.S. since 2007.

There’s no data about how many have signed up for Medi-Cal, but the fear of deportation for themselves or family members has probably kept many from enrolling, Lucia said. Federal authorities have said they will not use information provided to determine healthcare eligibility to pursue immigrants in the country illegally.

Diane Vanette, a volunteer with OneLA who screens people at Obamacare enrollment events, recently informed a couple with deferred-action status that they were both eligible for Medi-Cal.

“He was shocked, she was shocked,” Vanette said.



http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-daca-eligibility-20140224,0,6821572.story#ixzz2uNn8kHha

[Zippyjuan]

"Illegal Immies" can't vote anyways. There basically hasn't been any net illegal immigration into the country since 2007.

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2013/06/KDP_Unauth_immig.png


The estimated number of unauthorized immigrants peaked at 12.2 million in 2007 and fell to 11.3 million in 2009, breaking a rising trend that had held for decades. As of March 2012, 11.7 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States, according to a new preliminary Pew Research Center estimate. Although there are indications the number of unauthorized immigrants may be rising, the 2012 population estimate is the midpoint of a wide range of possible values and in a statistical sense is no different from the 2009 estimate.
http://www.pewresearch.org/key-data-points/immigration-tip-sheet-on-u-s-public-opinion/

[Brian4Liberty]

Believe whatever you want. I'm guessing you haven't looked into it at all.

Government manipulation of statistics is well known. Lies, damn lies, and government statistics. One of the common tricks is to change how things are counted, or what gets counted. And some say that is exactly what happened. Obama has included many people as "deportations" that were never included in the statistic in the past.

Apparently the Obama Administration now counts everyone caught at the border as a deportation, when previously it was not. There have also been other changes and procedural moves to artificially inflate the numbers.

A detailed paper on the subject:


Removal numbers have traditionally consisted of legal immigrants who have committed crimes, those who overstay visas, or illegal aliens caught inside the country.

The immigration statistics yearbook states that removals are the compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal.
An alien who is removed has administrative or criminal consequences placed on subsequent reentry owing to the fact of the removal.

In the past, removal numbers did not include “returns,” who are Mexican nationals caught illegally crossing the border by the Border Patrol and returned.

According to the yearbook, returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.
Most of the voluntary returns are of Mexican nationals who have been apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol and are returned to Mexico.

The Obama administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they are returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations. This has falsely increased the number of total removals by more than 100,000 for the past two years.
...
Padding the Numbers: The Alien Transfer Exit Program

Since 2011, the Obama administration has counted removals from the Alien Transfer Exit Program (ATEP) as ICE deportations, which artificially inflates ICE removal numbers. According to a source in a Border Patrol field office, “the only reason this group [in the ATEP] program is in detention at all is for the purpose of padding ICE’s year-end removal statistics.”
...
Padding the Numbers: The Mexican Interior Repatriation Program

From 2009 through 2011, the Obama Administration resumed a voluntary humanitarian interior repatriation program called the Mexican Interior Repatriation Program (MIRP). First initiated in 2004, MIRP voluntarily returned Mexican nationals apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol in the Yuma and Tucson sectors.
Since 2008, MIRP statistics have been included in ICE’s overall removal numbers. Without this program, the deportations statistics would be tallied by the U.S. Border Patrol instead of ICE.
...

More:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/february-12-2013/how-obama-administration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html

[Brian4Liberty]

"Illegal Immies" can't vote anyways.

Lol. And who is stopping them?

[RandallFan]

Border Patrol doesnt deport people. They turn them around.

ICE deports people.

If we counted with the Obama method, Clinton and Bush deported 10 or 20 million illegals.

If you legalize the illegals they get all the freebies like EBT cards. The legal Mexican Nationals get food stamps.

[Zippyjuan]

Most people come here looking for work. Why did net immigration stop in 2007? Jobs dried up. Whatever freebies there were didn't change. If they are lazy and want freebies, they probably aren't going be ambitious enough to make the effort of trying to get into the country illegally (though should probably add that about half of all people currently in the country illegally entered on a legal basis- student, work, or travel visas and over-stayed them).

[Brian4Liberty]

Border Patrol doesnt deport people. They turn them around.

ICE deports people.

If we counted with the Obama method, Clinton and Bush deported 10 or 20 million illegals.


That's what I had heard.

[rpfocus]

Most people come here looking for work. Why did net immigration stop in 2007? Jobs dried up. Whatever freebies there were didn't change. If they are lazy and want freebies, they probably aren't going be ambitious enough to make the effort of trying to get into the country illegally (though should probably add that about half of all people currently in the country illegally entered on a legal basis- student, work, or travel visas and over-stayed them).

If the government REFUSES to enforce the laws currently on the books, what good will "immigration reform" do? Neither Republican or Democratic leadership will ever answer why current laws are not being enforced, and both parties have turned a blind eye to this issues during their time in power. This is due to the fact that they both have something to gain from illegals continuing to stream in. Maybe after we get the 'first woman president' checked off, we can finally have our first 3rd party president (since the Whig party).

[Dianne]

Barry doesn't give a chit ... tooted out until morning ... think he and holder are on a wild sex binge tonight , with each other... cute couple... I don't deny their relationship at all ... I do deny their deception.

[Zippyjuan]

If the government REFUSES to enforce the laws currently on the books, what good will "immigration reform" do? Neither Republican or Democratic leadership will ever answer why current laws are not being enforced, and both parties have turned a blind eye to this issues during their time in power. This is due to the fact that they both have something to gain from illegals continuing to stream in. Maybe after we get the 'first woman president' checked off, we can finally have our first 3rd party president (since the Whig party).

Are they "streaming in"? (see my chart showing no increase in the number of illegal aliens in the country since 2007- there are actually fewer now than there were in that year).

[rpfocus]

Are they "streaming in"? (see my chart showing no increase in the number of illegal aliens in the country since 2007- there are actually fewer now than there were in that year).

Ok. My issue is that immigration law purposely has not been enforced by both Republicans and Democrats for 30+ years resulting in our current predicament.

-If immigration law were enforced, there would be no need for "immigration reform."
-If companies hiring illegal immigrants were properly penalized, there would be no need or "immigration reform."

Do you believe the 10+ million people in the country illegally should be allowed to stay? If not, do you really believe the US would ever forcefully remove 10 million illegal immigrants OR that 10 million illegal immigrants would ever voluntarily leave because of a 'lack of freebies'?

[enhanced_deficit]

Believe whatever you want. I'm guessing you haven't looked into it at all.





http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef014e8b18490c970d-800wi (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=ejZrtVN8p67kUM&tbnid=x_izM-9rS3jR2M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Flatimesblogs.latimes.com%2Fnation now%2F2011%2F08%2Fpresident-obamas-uncle-arrested-for-dui-white-house-not-commenting.html&ei=R8gOU73yHunX0QGEiIGYBQ&bvm=bv.61965928,d.dmQ&psig=AFQjCNEooXm394G7X4x9QMTgrNQ21RwUPg&ust=1393564092419823)

White House changes story on Obama's uncle - USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/12/05/obama-onyango-obama-deportation-jay-carney/3881283/)
USA Today
Dec 5, 2013 - A year after saying President Obama had not an uncle who faced deportation, the White House said Thursday that Obama lived briefly with the ...
Obama's uncle wins immigration battle, gets OK to stay in U.S. ... (http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/politics/obama-uncle-immigration/)
www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/politics/obama-uncle-immigration/ (http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/politics/obama-uncle-immigration/)
Dec 6, 2013 - President Obama's uncle, who has been living and working in the United States illegally for decades, has gotten a federal judge's OK to stay in ...



So much news these days.

[rpfocus]

So much news these days.

And Mitt Romney hired illegals. So once again, both parties are responsible for not enforcing the immigration laws. Which is why I say screw Elephants AND Donkeys.

[Zippyjuan]

Ok. My issue is that immigration law purposely has not been enforced by both Republicans and Democrats for 30+ years resulting in our current predicament.

-If immigration law were enforced, there would be no need for "immigration reform."
-If companies hiring illegal immigrants were properly penalized, there would be no need or "immigration reform."

Do you believe the 10+ million people in the country illegally should be allowed to stay? If not, do you really believe the US would ever forcefully remove 10 million illegal immigrants OR that 10 million illegal immigrants would ever voluntarily leave because of a 'lack of freebies'?

We have built fences and other "defenses" along thousands of miles of our southern border. We spend more than twice as much today as we did even when Obama took office on border security and have twice as many people working on it. Record deportations. What more would you suggest? How would you deal with the ten million? How should "immigration law be enforced" in your opinon which "hasn't been done in the last 30 years"?

Stopping people on streets to check IDs to see who is here legally and illegally and deporting anybody without proper papers (maybe a national ID to be sure who are "them" and who are "us"? Raid businesses to see if they are hiring illegals? Should businesses be expected to act as government immigration agents and be checking out everybody who applies for a job? How would you react to those measures if you were stopped by INS or cops on the streets and asked for ID? How would you react as a business told you must verify the nationality and legal status of all employess you want to hire? How would you react if you were required to prove citizenship everytime you applied for anything- school, a job, a car loan or to rent an apartment or buy a home or open a bank account?

How much freedom are you willing to give up to deal with the ten million already in the US?

Papers please!

[Brian4Liberty]

Stopping people on streets to check IDs to see who is here legally and illegally and deporting anybody without proper papers (maybe a national ID to be sure who are "them" and who are "us"?

No, never. I don't like your suggestion.


Raid businesses to see if they are hiring illegals?

Only if there is probable cause, and never with a SWAT team of any kind. More like a food inspection. "Raid" is a term that should not be used.


Should businesses be expected to act as government immigration agents and be checking out everybody who applies for a job?


Businesses already check out potential employees in many ways. Most require multiple forms of ID and a Social Security card. Some require birth certificates or Passports.

[erowe1]

The article says this:

Senator Richard Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the chamber, wrote in November that he was troubled that the administration deported 200,000 parents of U.S. citizens in 2012 and others who “only committed minor, nonviolent infractions, such as traffic offenses.”

Is what Durbin says true?

If so, then we here should be standing up for these peoples' rights. Neither Obama nor anyone else has any right to deport them.

[Acala]

As several wise people on this thread have indicated, the answer is to turn off the giveaways. For everyone. From TBTF banks down to the poor folks straggling across the border. Then it won't matter and we can stop all the dangerous talk about government checking papers and checkpoints and such.

[Philhelm]

Stopping people on streets to check IDs to see who is here legally and illegally and deporting anybody without proper papers (maybe a national ID to be sure who are "them" and who are "us"? Raid businesses to see if they are hiring illegals? Should businesses be expected to act as government immigration agents and be checking out everybody who applies for a job? How would you react to those measures if you were stopped by INS or cops on the streets and asked for ID? How would you react as a business told you must verify the nationality and legal status of all employess you want to hire? How would you react if you were required to prove citizenship everytime you applied for anything- school, a job, a car loan or to rent an apartment or buy a home or open a bank account?

I'm white. They wouldn't dare ask for such things.

[rpfocus]

Question Question Question but no response

Don't think I didn't notice that in your response to me, you 'neglected' to answer the questions I posed to you, and instead simply posed what are essentially the same questions back to me. Deflection 101. I'll answer when you do.

[erowe1]

If the government REFUSES to enforce the laws currently on the books, what good will "immigration reform" do? Neither Republican or Democratic leadership will ever answer why current laws are not being enforced, and both parties have turned a blind eye to this issues during their time in power. This is due to the fact that they both have something to gain from illegals continuing to stream in. Maybe after we get the 'first woman president' checked off, we can finally have our first 3rd party president (since the Whig party).

The current laws on the books are unconstitutional and unjust. So they shouldn't be enforced and are actually no laws at all.

[rpfocus]

The current laws on the books are unconstitutional and unjust. So they shouldn't be enforced and are actually no laws at all.

They're not unconstitutional until they're ruled unconstitutional. What laws are you claiming are unconstitutional by the way? And you believe the US has the right to deport someone in the country illegally?

[erowe1]

They're not unconstitutional until they're ruled unconstitutional.

By whom? Some judge? You really believe that?


What laws are you claiming are unconstitutional by the way?

For starters, any law that tells employers who they can and cannot hire and property owners who they can and cannot rent their property out to. When anti-illegal immigration people talk about enforcing the laws already on the books, it's generally these laws that they mean.


And [do] you believe the US [federal government] has the right to deport someone in the country illegally?

What does "in the country illegally" even mean? Is there such a thing as being in the country illegally? Do we have laws that actually say that someone's mere presence somewhere between the borders of the USA is illegal?

I doubt that we do. But if we do, then clearly those laws are unjust and unconstitutional.

No the US federal government does not have the right to declare that it is illegal for someone simply to exist within the borders of the USA and then deport them.

[rpfocus]

By whom? Some judge? You really believe that?

Well I don't believe that just saying a law is unconstitutional is enough. I do believe that there needs to be a generally accepted means of determining which laws are constitutional and which aren't. So yes, I accept that the Supreme Court fills that purpose.

[rpfocus]

Is there such a thing as being in the country illegally?


Yeah, it's kind of hard to continue this with such fundamental differences in the meaning of the words legal and illegal as a starting point. I'll bow out by just stating that I do believe in the concepts of country borders and citizenship.

[Michelangelo]

Well I don't believe that just saying a law is unconstitutional is enough. I do believe that there needs to be a generally accepted means of determining which laws are constitutional and which aren't. So yes, I accept that the Supreme Court fills that purpose.

Funnily enough the Supreme Court doesn't have the authority to claim a given law is constitutional or not. The Constitution grants the Supreme Court jurisdiction over certain federal crimes (e.g. treason) and state v. state cases, but mentions nothing close to what we understand as judicial review.

[LibertyEagle]

immies? is that a new word?

I like crimmigrants better.

[LibertyEagle]

What does "in the country illegally" even mean? Is there such a thing as being in the country illegally? Do we have laws that actually say that someone's mere presence somewhere between the borders of the USA is illegal?

I doubt that we do. But if we do, then clearly those laws are unjust and unconstitutional.

No the US federal government does not have the right to declare that it is illegal for someone simply to exist within the borders of the USA and then deport them.

It seems like this would cover it, wouldn't it?


Article 4, Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm white. They wouldn't dare ask for such things.

Depends upon where you live. Race or ethnicity is no indication of citizenship in some areas. "White" folks where I live are often fresh off the boat.

[Brian4Liberty]

Ok. My issue is that immigration law purposely has not been enforced by both Republicans and Democrats for 30+ years resulting in our current predicament.

-If immigration law were enforced, there would be no need for "immigration reform."
-If companies hiring illegal immigrants were properly penalized, there would be no need or "immigration reform."

Do you believe the 10+ million people in the country illegally should be allowed to stay? If not, do you really believe the US would ever forcefully remove 10 million illegal immigrants OR that 10 million illegal immigrants would ever voluntarily leave because of a 'lack of freebies'?

Absolutely correct. The laws are there, just not enforced. They are occasionally enforced when a city wants to harass a given business. Selective and punitive enforcement. That's about it.

[Zippyjuan]

They're not unconstitutional until they're ruled unconstitutional. What laws are you claiming are unconstitutional by the way? And you believe the US has the right to deport someone in the country illegally?



About half of all illegal immigrants entered the coutry legally. They just didn't leave when they were supposed to. If you entered legally, are you here illegally?

[Zippyjuan]

Don't think I didn't notice that in your response to me, you 'neglected' to answer the questions I posed to you, and instead simply posed what are essentially the same questions back to me. Deflection 101. I'll answer when you do.




Ok. My issue is that immigration law purposely has not been enforced by both Republicans and Democrats for 30+ years resulting in our current predicament.

-If immigration law were enforced, there would be no need for "immigration reform."
-If companies hiring illegal immigrants were properly penalized, there would be no need or "immigration reform."

Do you believe the 10+ million people in the country illegally should be allowed to stay? If not, do you really believe the US would ever forcefully remove 10 million illegal immigrants OR that 10 million illegal immigrants would ever voluntarily leave because of a 'lack of freebies'?

In answer to your questions (my questions were in part to answer them but I guess you didn't connect that)- it is not worth the effort and cost and loss of liberty and expansion of government (I didn't mention the need for more INS agents and police to help get rid of them- expanded police state and more government spending and control) to try to get rid of every single illegal alien in the country. No- they won't "self repatriat" due to "lack of freebies" because as I said earlier, most are here for jobs- not gifts. Since it would cost us too much to get rid of all of them, then yes, some will be allowed to stay by default.

[Zippyjuan]

I'm white. They wouldn't dare ask for such things.

We will have to check everybody if you want 100% illegal alien enforcement.

[rpfocus]

...

[rpfocus]

In answer to your questions (my questions were in part to answer them but I guess you didn't connect that)- it is not worth the effort and cost and loss of liberty and expansion of government (I didn't mention the need for more INS agents and police to help get rid of them- expanded police state and more government spending and control) to try to get rid of every single illegal alien in the country. No- they won't "self repatriat" due to "lack of freebies" because as I said earlier, most are here for jobs- not gifts. Since it would cost us too much to get rid of all of them, then yes, some will be allowed to stay by default.

Ok so out of 11 million illegals, how many are allowed to stay? I can only guess you're talking about amnesty for most of them. In which case I agree with you. Due to the lack of common sense by presidents during the last 30 years, in my opinion there is no real option other than letting most of them stay in the country. They wont be leaving on their own, nor is there any realistic chance of deporting 11 million illegals.

[Zippyjuan]

I don't necessarily think they should be given amnesty either but was pointing out the costs of trying to deport all 11 million. That is not going to happen. The difficult cases are kids who came to this country with their parents- have lived here nearly all of their lives, gone to school and perhaps found jobs. Should they be deported? Their "native" country would be completely foreign to them.

The proposed immigration reform has a long list of requirements people must meet and even once meeting those and applying must wait at least ten more years to apply for citizenship which is a pretty high standard (and not a blanket amnesty).

It is not a problem with a simple solution though some offer simple ideas. "They are here illegally. Expell all of them." Immigrants tend to have lower crime rates and have higher rates of creating jobs than "citizens" do. They pay taxes (income, property, sales taxes) and aren't elgible for any government benefits (Social Security, Medicare/ Medicaid).

[rpfocus]

Actually, I should clarify that I (tentatively, as they have not provided specifics) support the revised Republican plan for immigration reform which includes a pathway to legalization.