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Bradley in DC
11-30-2007, 08:41 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_50/b4062021769214.htm?campaign_id=rss_null

Ron Paul on the Evil Fed, the IRS, and Saving the Buck
By Maria Bartiromo

At 72, Ron Paul is a Web phenomenon. His campaign says that some 80% of the $17 million raised in the past four quarters—including about $4.3 million in one October day—has come from online supporters. And according to a mid-November poll, the Republican Presidential hopeful is gaining ground in New Hampshire, though he's still in single digits. Like maverick candidates such as Howard Dean in 2004 and Ross Perot in 1992, Paul seems to connect with voters hungry for unvarnished positions. Paul, an obstetrician and 10-term congressman from the Texas Gulf Coast, voted against the war in Iraq and wants the troops home fast, but it's his economic ideas that are the most radical: He detests the Fed and would abolish the IRS. Paul was about to climb on a plane for a campaign trip to South Carolina when I caught up with him.

MARIA BARTIROMO
As President, how would you strengthen the economy?

RON PAUL
The most important thing is to get control of the budget, because the more we spend and the higher the deficit, the more we have to tax and borrow and inflate the currency—literally create new credit to buy Treasury bills. We need to restore confidence in the dollar before [its decline] gets out of control. The easiest place to cut spending is overseas because it's doing so much harm to us, undermining our national defense and ruining our budget. I would start saving hundreds of billions of dollars by giving up on defending the American empire. I'd start bringing our troops home, not only from the Middle East but from Korea, Japan, and Europe, and save enough money to slash the deficit. We can actually pay down the national debt and still take care of people here at home. That would restore a lot of confidence.

What is the most important change you would make?

Aim for the federal government to immediately live within its means, to take the pressure off the Fed to create money.

And that means what?

Means no more inflation. If the Fed doesn't create money out of thin air—and they do it mostly to accommodate the deficits—that would restore the soundness of the dollar and give us our purchasing power back.

But as President, you're supposed to be independent from the Fed. You would encourage the Fed to stop printing money?

You know this idea that we can create a secret bank and they manage things and rarely tell us—or Congress or the Executive Branch—what they're really doing, there's a problem there. I can't even go to a monetary policy board meeting of the Federal Reserve, and I'm on the Banking Committee of the U.S. Congress. I want open government, and certainly the Fed ought to be open. But it's an institution that really shouldn't exist. [Its financing] allows Big Government to get bigger without being responsible. And that's why we have runaway spending for both warfare and welfare.

Hasn't the Fed been effective in providing liquidity in the current credit crisis?

You're right, but it's sort of like a drug addict. The drug addict demands more or he's going to have convulsions. The economy would have a convulsion if the Fed didn't inject more credit. But if you continue to do that, the problem gets worse. You can't solve the problem of monetary inflation with monetary inflation. These circumstances have all been created by our government and the Fed.

How was the recent crisis caused by our government?

It was astounding that you could get a mortgage at 4%, and this was all due to the Fed creating money and artificially lowering rates, which gets people to do the wrong thing. Builders do the wrong thing, and people borrow money and buy houses they can't afford...

Who are your economic advisers?

I don't have any. I read Austrian economics, which I've been doing for 30 years. So my advisers have been [von] Mises and Hayek and Sennholz.

Do you consider yourself a friend or a foe of Wall Street?

If they believe in freedom, free markets, and sound money, they'll love me. But if they like creating credit out of thin air, they'll see me as a threat. I was one of three people who voted against Sarbanes-Oxley because I thought it was detrimental to Wall Street. I'd repeal it...

You have vehement new supporters. What's driving the sudden interest in your candidacy?

I think they're sick and tired of what they're getting. They've lost all trust and faith in the government. They believe in the American Dream, and they're getting a nightmare. And they're rallying behind the program I've been working on for 30 years—defending the Constitution, limited government, free markets, sound money, and self-reliance; believing people can take care of themselves better than government can. The nanny state doesn't work, the police state doesn't work, and neither does the warfare. And they know it.

Maria Bartiromo is the anchor of CNBC's Closing Bell.

jon_perez
11-30-2007, 09:14 AM
What can I say? Another interview that highlights Ron Paul's brilliance and grasp of the economic situation. Too bad the same can't be said about YOUR trollish replies to my posts, "Bradley in DC"... :D

Bradley in DC
11-30-2007, 09:40 AM
What can I say? Another interview that highlights Ron Paul's brilliance and grasp of the economic situation. Too bad the same can't be said about YOUR trollish replies to my posts, "Bradley in DC"... :D

Nice try trying to mask your trolling. Where's your "dastardly" etc., here now? Or just sensitive having been exposed. Funny how you claim to think this is brilliant but attempt to trash the same explanations everywhere else. I should know, I was Dr. Paul's legislative staffer for banking and monetary issues.

jon_perez
11-30-2007, 12:04 PM
I should know, I was Dr. Paul's legislative staffer for banking and monetary issues.Really? Too bad you were still unable to answer many of the questions I raised and resorted to name-calling in an attempt to dismiss them.

Bradley in DC
11-30-2007, 03:04 PM
Really? Too bad you were still unable to answer many of the questions I raised and resorted to name-calling in an attempt to dismiss them.

Last chance for you to just admit you're a troll already.

You call Dr. Paul's proposals "dastardly" but can't justify it when questioned.

You cite meaningless blogs to justify fluff, I call you out on the inflationist argument, you call me Rothbardian (I had not cited Rothbard, had not argued Rothbarian arguments for the simple reason I am not Rothbardian). I had however in our exchanges cited a half dozen books by Dr. Paul, F. A. Hayek and Ludwig von Mises, among others (never Rothbard) which you ignore.

You mockingly call the chairman of the department of economics of George Mason University (where there are a couple of Nobel laureates) "shallow." Don's work is far superior to any you cite. The Money Masters is riddled with historical and factual inaccuracies and it's goals are not compatible with ours (mine, Dr. Paul's and by extension this forum's). You don't belong here.

Legitimate questioning is one thing but the needless negativity of your posts and threads violates the guidelines here. I'm calling on the mods to ban you for persistent negativity towards others here and more importantly for your opposition to the agenda of Dr. Paul, the purpose of this board.

You claim the Fed "really can't do much to strengthen the dollar" to which I inform you of the FOMC capabilities to dump other currencies and stop monetizing our debt to which you claim *I* am befuddled.

ItsTime
11-30-2007, 03:10 PM
um what did I walk into?

I like the reading thanks.

Bradley in DC
11-30-2007, 03:18 PM
um what did I walk into?

I like the reading thanks.

Everyone of his threads is negative, he spouts half-truths trying to disparage Dr. Paul and his agenda and is rude to other forum members.

jon_perez
11-30-2007, 09:54 PM
Last chance for you to just admit you're a troll already.

You call Dr. Paul's proposals "dastardly" but can't justify it when questioned.Nice try trying to equate my characterization of what a gold standard could possibly be with an attack on Paul.

Any monetary system that would tend to concentrate power too much in the hands of a few IS dastardly.

Sounds to me like you're just a jackboot who cannot tolerate people asking questions you do not have the ability to adequately answer.


Legitimate questioning is one thing but the needless negativity of your posts and threads violates the guidelines here. I'm calling on the mods to ban you for persistent negativity towards others here and more importantly for your opposition to the agenda of Dr. Paul, the purpose of this board.Even on a micro-setting such as a forum, you fail the litmus test of being able to understand what liberty and freedom of speech are about. Very ironic for someone who claims to work for Ron Paul.

hard@work
11-30-2007, 09:59 PM
What can I say? Another interview that highlights Ron Paul's brilliance and grasp of the economic situation. Too bad the same can't be said about YOUR trollish replies to my posts, "Bradley in DC"... :D


Bradley has been contributing not always easy to find information for some time. I've read what you've had to say for the first time today. You're behaving like a troll and yet the content is an accusation about trolling? How about you not bother this gentleman in the threads he starts regardless of how you feel about his behavior in yours?

It would be appreciative to all of us here and really help to stand you out as a real gentleman. I think we can both agree this is what you truly wish.

Bradley in DC
12-01-2007, 05:46 AM
Nice try trying to equate my characterization of what a gold standard could possibly be with an attack on Paul.

Any monetary system that would tend to concentrate power too much in the hands of a few IS dastardly.

Sounds to me like you're just a jackboot who cannot tolerate people asking questions you do not have the ability to adequately answer.

Even on a micro-setting such as a forum, you fail the litmus test of being able to understand what liberty and freedom of speech are about. Very ironic for someone who claims to work for Ron Paul.

Dr. Paul's agenda, what I argue for, and the gold standard are NOT concentrating power in the hands of the few, which I've explained with citations that you ignore. We want to END the concentration of power which your ideas support (TMM). As for facts, I told you I used to work for Dr. Paul which is easily verifiable.

jon_perez
12-02-2007, 01:33 AM
I find nothing in the interview above to validate the assertion that Paul thinks the Fed is "evil" or diabolic or the product of a conspiracy. Certainly Paul makes no bones about his belief that the Fed should not exist, but to constantly associate Paul's views with other works that present the world view that the Fed is the product of an "evil conspiracy" (I'm not necessarily saying that you, Bradley, are the one engaging in this primarily...) might be doing him a disfavor and, I believe, would seriously count as a misrepresentation.


Let's study Ron's own words from http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_50/b4062021769214.htm?campaign_id=rss_null :

"If the Fed doesn't create money out of thin air—and they do it mostly to accommodate the deficits—that would restore the soundness of the dollar and give us our purchasing power back"

I interpret that as:

The Fed to create "money out of thin air" in order to accommodate deficits. Deficits are a problem directly having to do with Congress, NOT the Fed. Thus...

[i]"Aim for the federal government to immediately live within its means, to take the pressure off the Fed to create money."

even though Dr. Paul clearly does not like the fact that the Fed exists, he also obviously understands that the immediate symptom to tackle is government spending and then deal with the tougher systemic problem [of having a structure that perpetrates irresponsible spending] later.


I've finally realized that what I really sick of is having people on the fringe try to drag Ron Paul into their own dubious, backwater agendas. All this talk about how the "mainstream" is somehow conspiring against Ron Paul makes no sense to me. Ron Paul's ideas ARE quite palatable for the mainstream. They are not "revolutionary", they are not inaccessible to people purported to be "blinded by mainstream 'brainwashing'". All that has ever come out of Paul's own mouth is just plain common sense that just about anyone can appreciate. It is most certainly not an us-vs-them (so-called powers that be) thing.

Corydoras
12-02-2007, 11:28 AM
All this talk about how the "mainstream" is somehow conspiring against Ron Paul makes no sense to me. Ron Paul's ideas ARE quite palatable for the mainstream. They are not "revolutionary", they are not inaccessible to people purported to be "blinded by mainstream 'brainwashing'". All that has ever come out of Paul's own mouth is just plain common sense that just about anyone can appreciate. It is most certainly not an us-vs-them (so-called powers that be) thing.


Don't shoot me, anyone... I really liked the article, thanks Bradley, I think it's RP at his best... and Jon, I think what you said above is very true.

Bradley in DC
12-02-2007, 11:30 AM
I find nothing in the interview above to validate the assertion that Paul thinks the Fed is "evil" or diabolic or the product of a conspiracy.

Copywriters usually have no control over the title of articles which are usually sensationalized (to some degree) to catch a reader's attention. I for one have been disappointed when my op-eds' draft titles are changed to ones I find less relevant to the commentaries. Such is life.

weatherbill
12-04-2007, 10:48 PM
nice article! And to think, none of the other candidates are even talking about this......bwahahahaha......incredibly unbeleiveable....and those folks want to be pres of the US???? Bwahahahahahah....... and they don't even know economics......not even close to Ron Paul's basic knowledge on the matter...... just amazing!