Christopher A. Brown
02-24-2014, 11:27 PM
Those who are afraid of an Article V convention are really fearful that elite organizations, incumbent politicians, special interests etc. will cause amendment which does not have constitutional intent. Constitutional intent is the only real limit on an Article V convention. The people are the element that have the greatest interest in assuring amendments have constitutional intent.
Lincoln in a speech, Illinois, his home state in 1859 made this statement.
"the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts"
It seems possible that 2/3 of the states could apply, then make proposals that were not fully constitutional. At that point, congress quickly ratifies and the people ARE NOT INVOLVED. This might be done before the other states gathered opposition to the proposed amendment and instead corrupt legislators consent to amendment. A "railroad" "rush job" essentially violating Article V "and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate."
At this point, those states have to propose an amendment to reverse. Not a good situation.
I support an Article V convention, BUT ONLY IF THE PEOPLE are intimately involved, and, they know what they are doing. So, if this petition does not gather enough signatures, America is too dumbed down to stop a convention from ratifying amendments without constitutional intent. Simple outrage at problems is not enough. In that case, these elite organizations will do what they want if they are not stopped. This is a test of us, our ability as much as anything.
America must then oppose any convention and simply use nullifications when states can be compelled to do such. This means we will have to mostly live with unconstitutional wars, surveillance etc. States only have the authority to nullify each unconstitutional act the federal government attempts which effects things within their borders.
Forget dealing with the issue of 9-11, induced economic collapse, environmental destruction, nwo depopulation, federal reserve, GATT, NAFTA, common core, gun control etc. unless states do it one at a time relating to whatever occurs within their borders.
This petition asks Convention of States and the American Legislative Council to be accountable to us, the people, and provide comment upon their perceptions of the concept of preparing the people to know and define constitutional intent. This is done with "Preparatory Amendment" which is fully logical, lawful and constitutional that consists of amendment addressing these three issues.
1)Ending the abridging of free speech
2)Secure the vote
3)Campaign finance reform
Is it logical that America prepare for the most important event in its history?
If your answer is yes, then sign this petition AND ask friends and family to sign as well. Please get active on forums and email lists with this.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/298/672/130/do-cos-and-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
Make the elite accountable to the issue of constitutional intent, which all amendments must have as mandated by Article V. Who knows, COS may like the idea and adopt it in order to get more of the people involved. There is no accountability anyway it is seen without some comment upon the matter of intent. So far they appear to be focused on a balanced budget amendment. Can they limit the convention to that issue without us?
ARTICLE V:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
Lincoln in a speech, Illinois, his home state in 1859 made this statement.
"the people are the rightful masters of the congress and the courts"
It seems possible that 2/3 of the states could apply, then make proposals that were not fully constitutional. At that point, congress quickly ratifies and the people ARE NOT INVOLVED. This might be done before the other states gathered opposition to the proposed amendment and instead corrupt legislators consent to amendment. A "railroad" "rush job" essentially violating Article V "and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate."
At this point, those states have to propose an amendment to reverse. Not a good situation.
I support an Article V convention, BUT ONLY IF THE PEOPLE are intimately involved, and, they know what they are doing. So, if this petition does not gather enough signatures, America is too dumbed down to stop a convention from ratifying amendments without constitutional intent. Simple outrage at problems is not enough. In that case, these elite organizations will do what they want if they are not stopped. This is a test of us, our ability as much as anything.
America must then oppose any convention and simply use nullifications when states can be compelled to do such. This means we will have to mostly live with unconstitutional wars, surveillance etc. States only have the authority to nullify each unconstitutional act the federal government attempts which effects things within their borders.
Forget dealing with the issue of 9-11, induced economic collapse, environmental destruction, nwo depopulation, federal reserve, GATT, NAFTA, common core, gun control etc. unless states do it one at a time relating to whatever occurs within their borders.
This petition asks Convention of States and the American Legislative Council to be accountable to us, the people, and provide comment upon their perceptions of the concept of preparing the people to know and define constitutional intent. This is done with "Preparatory Amendment" which is fully logical, lawful and constitutional that consists of amendment addressing these three issues.
1)Ending the abridging of free speech
2)Secure the vote
3)Campaign finance reform
Is it logical that America prepare for the most important event in its history?
If your answer is yes, then sign this petition AND ask friends and family to sign as well. Please get active on forums and email lists with this.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/298/672/130/do-cos-and-alec-really-want-an-article-v-convention-with-constitutional-intent/
Make the elite accountable to the issue of constitutional intent, which all amendments must have as mandated by Article V. Who knows, COS may like the idea and adopt it in order to get more of the people involved. There is no accountability anyway it is seen without some comment upon the matter of intent. So far they appear to be focused on a balanced budget amendment. Can they limit the convention to that issue without us?
ARTICLE V:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.