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Original_Intent
02-20-2014, 06:02 PM
Sorry if this has been posted, I searched and didn't find it.


{The following letter was sent via email to members of the Connecticut State Police, Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection. There are 1,212 email addresses on the list. There were 62 bounce-backs.}

To the men and women of the Connecticut State Police and the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection:

My name is Mike Vanderboegh. Few of you will know who I am, or even will have heard of the Three Percent movement that I founded, though we have been denounced on the national stage by that paragon of moral virtue, Bill Clinton.

Three Percenters are uncompromising firearm owners who have stated very plainly for years that we will obey no further encroachments on our Second Amendment rights.

Some of you, if you read this carelessly, may feel that it is a threat.

It is not. Three Percenters also believe that to take the first shot in a conflict over principle is to surrender the moral high ground to the enemy. We condemn so-called collateral damage and terrorism such as that represented by the Oklahoma City Bombing and the Waco massacre. We are very aware that if you seek to defeat evil it is vital not to become the evil you claim to oppose.

Thus, though this letter is certainly intended to deal with an uncomfortable subject, it is not a threat to anyone. However, it is important for everyone to understand that while we promise not to take the first shot over principle, we make no such promise if attacked, whether by common criminals or by the designated representatives of a criminal government grown arrogant and tyrannical and acting out an unconstitutional agenda under color of law.

If we have any model, it is that of the Founding generation. The threat to public order and safety, unfortunately, comes from the current leaders of your state government who unthinkingly determined to victimize hitherto law-abiding citizens with a tyrannical law.

They are the ones who first promised violence on the part of the state if your citizens did not comply with their unconstitutional diktat. Now, having made the threat (and placed the bet that you folks of the Connecticut State Police will meekly and obediently carry it out) they can hardly complain that others take them seriously and try by every means, including this letter, to avoid conflict.

Some of you are already working a major case on me, trying to figure out how I may be arrested for violating Conn. P.A. 13-3, which bears the wildly dishonest title of “An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children’s Safety.” (What part of “protecting children” is accomplished by sparking a civil war?)

Not only have I personally violated this unconstitutional and tyrannical act by smuggling and by the encouragement of smuggling, defiance and non-compliance on the part of your state’s citizens, but I have further irritated your wannabe tyrant bosses by sending them standard capacity magazines in my “Toys for Totalitarians” program. I further have annoyed them by pointing out — and seeking more evidence of — the existence of Mike Lawlor’s KGB file (as well as his FBI and CIA counter-intelligence files).

In short, I have made myself a nuisance to your bosses in just about every way I could think of. However, their discomfiture reminds me of the wisdom of that great American philosopher of the late 20th Century, Frank Zappa, who said, “Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it.” Whether you will be able to make a case on me that sticks is, of course, problematic for a number of reasons which I will detail to you in the letter below. I have already done so to your bosses and include the links in this email so that you may easily access them.

But even if you are not working on my case, you will want to pay attention to this letter, because tyrannical politicians in your state have been writing checks with their mouths that they expect you to cash with your blood.

We have moved, thanks to them, into a very dangerous undiscovered country. Connecticut is now in a state of cold civil war, one that can flash to bloody conflict in an instant if someone, anyone, does something stupid. So please pay attention, for Malloy and Co. have put all your asses on the line and are counting on your supine obedience to the enforcement of their unconstitutional diktat.

I apparently first came to your attention with this speech on the steps of your state capitol on 20 April 2013. It was very well received by the audience but virtually ignored by the lapdog press of your state. If I may, I’d like to quote some of the more salient points of it that involve you.

“An unconstitutional law is void.” It has no effect. So says American Jurisprudence, the standard legal text. And that’s been upheld by centuries of American law. An unconstitutional law is VOID.

Now that is certainly true. But the tricky part is how do we make that point when the local, state and federal executive and legislative branches as well as the courts are in the hands of the domestic enemies of the Constitution.

Everyone who is currently trying to take away your right to arms starts out by saying “I support the 2nd Amendment.” Let me tell you a home truth that we know down in Alabama — Barack Obama supports the 2nd Amendment just about as much as Adolf Hitler appreciated Jewish culture, or Joseph Stalin believed in individual liberty. Believe what politicians do, not what they say. Because the lie is the attendant of every evil. . .

Before this year no one thought that other firearms and related items would ever be banned — but they were, they have been. No one thought that the authorities of your state would pass laws making criminals out of the previously law-abiding — but they did. If they catch you violating their unconstitutional laws, they will — when they please — send armed men to work their will upon you. And people — innocent of any crime save the one these tyrants created — will die resisting them.

You begin to see, perhaps, how you fit into this. YOU are the “armed men” that Malloy and Company will send “to work their will” upon the previously law-abiding.

In other words, this law takes men and women who are your natural allies in support of legitimate law enforcement and makes enemies of the state of them, and bully boy political police of you. So you all have a very real stake in what happens next.

But let me continue:
The Founders knew how to answer such tyranny. When Captain John Parker — one of the three percent of American colonists who actively took the field against the King during the Revolution — mustered his Minutemen on Lexington Green, it was in a demonstration of ARMED civil disobedience. . . The colonists knew what to do and they did it, regardless of the risk — regardless of all the King’s ministers and the King’s soldiery. They defied the King. They resisted his edicts. They evaded his laws and they smuggled. Lord above, did they smuggle.

Now we find ourselves in a similar situation. The new King Barack and his minions have determined to disarm us. We must determine to resist them. No one wants a new civil war (except, apparently, the anti-constitutional tyrants who passed these laws and the media toadies who cheer them on) but one is staring us in the face. Let me repeat that, a civil war is staring us in the face. To think otherwise is to whistle past the graveyard of our own history. We must, if we wish to avoid armed conflict, get this message across to the collectivists who have declared their appetites for our liberty, our property and our lives — WHEN DEMOCRACY TURNS TO TYRANNY, THE ARMED CITIZEN STILL GETS TO VOTE.

Just like King George, such people will not care, nor modify their behavior, by what you say, no matter how loudly or in what numbers you say it. They will only pay attention to what you DO. So defy them. Resist their laws. Evade them. Smuggle in what they command you not to have. Only by our ACTS will they be impressed. Then, if they mean to have a civil war, they will at least have been informed of the unintended consequences of their tyrannical actions. Again I say — Defy. Resist. Evade. Smuggle. If you wish to stay free and to pass down that freedom to your children’s children you can do no less than to become the lawbreakers that they have unconstitutionally made of you. Accept that fact. Embrace it. And resolve to be the very best, most successful lawbreakers you can be.

Well, I guess at least some of my audience that day took my message to heart. As Connecticut newspapers have finally begun reporting — “Untold Thousands Flout Gun Registration Law” — and national commentators are at last noticing, my advice to defy, resist and evade this intolerable act is well on the way. The smuggling, as modest as it is, I can assure is also happening. This law is not only dangerous it is unenforceable by just about any standard you care to judge it by. Let’s just look at the numbers mentioned in the Courant story:

By the end of 2013, state police had received 47,916 applications for assault weapons certificates, Lt. Paul Vance said. An additional 2,100 that were incomplete could still come in.

That 50,000 figure could be as little as 15 percent of the rifles classified as assault weapons owned by Connecticut residents, according to estimates by people in the industry, including the Newtown based National Shooting Sports Foundation. No one has anything close to definitive figures, but the most conservative estimates place the number of unregistered assault weapons well above 50,000, and perhaps as high as 350,000.

And that means as of Jan. 1, Connecticut has very likely created tens of thousands of newly minted criminals — perhaps 100,000 people, almost certainly at least 20,000 — who have broken no other laws. By owning unregistered guns defined as assault weapons, all of them are committing Class D felonies.

“I honestly thought from my own standpoint that the vast majority would register,” said Sen. Tony Guglielmo, R-Stafford, the ranking GOP senator on the legislature’s public safety committee. “If you pass laws that people have no respect for and they don’t follow them, then you have a real problem.”

This blithering idiot of a state senator is, as I warned Mike Lawlor the other day, extrapolating. It is a very dangerous thing, extrapolation, especially when you are trying to predict the actions of an enemy you made yourself whom you barely recognize let alone understand. I told Lawlor:

“You, you silly sod, are extrapolating from your own cowardice. Just because you wouldn’t risk death for your principles, doesn’t mean there aren’t folks who most certainly will. And, not to put too fine a point on it, but folks who are willing to die for their principles are most often willing to kill in righteous self-defense of them as well. You may be ignorant of such people and their ways. You may think that they are insane. But surely even you cannot be so clueless that, insane or not from your point-of-view, such people DO exist and in numbers unknown. This is the undiscovered country that you and your tyrannical ilk have blundered into, like clueless kindergarteners gaily tap-dancing in a well-marked mine field. The Founders marked the mine field. Is it our fault or yours that you have blithely ignored the warnings? If I were a Connecticut state policeman I would be wondering if the orders of a possible KGB mole throwback were worth the terminal inability to collect my pension. Of course, you may be thinking that you can hide behind that “thin blue line.” Bill Clinton’s rules of engagement say otherwise.

The odds are, and it gives me no particular satisfaction to say it, is that someone is going to get killed over your unconstitutional misadventures in Connecticut. And if not Connecticut, then New York, or Maryland, or California or Colorado. And once the civil war you all apparently seek is kicked off, it would not be — it could not be — confined to one state.”

This is not a threat, of course. Not the personal, actionable threat that you may claim. It ranks right along with -- no, that’s wrong, IT IS EXACTLY LIKE – an ex-con meeting me in the street and pointing to my neighbor’s house saying, “Tonight I am going to break in there, kill that man, rape his wife and daughters and steal everything that he is, has, or may become.” I warn him, “If you try to do that, he will kill you first. He may not look like much, but I know him to be vigilant and perfectly capable of blowing your head off.” That is not a threat from me. It is simply good manners. Consider this letter in the same vein. I am trying to save you from yourself.

For, like that common criminal, you have announced by your unconstitutional law and your public statements in favor of its rigorous enforcement that you have a tyrannical appetite for your neighbors’ liberty, property and lives. It doesn’t take a crystal ball to see that this policy, if carried to your announced conclusion, will not end well for anybody, but especially for you.

Now let’s examine those numbers in the Courant story. You know the size of the Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection. Wikipedia tells us that “CSP currently has approximately 1,248 troopers, and is headquartered in Middletown, Connecticut. It is responsible for protecting the Governor of Connecticut, Lieutenant Governor of Connecticut, and their families.”

There are but 1,212 email addresses listed on the state website to which this email is going, which presumably includes everyone including secretaries, receptionists, file clerks, technicians, etc.

Now, how many shooters for raid parties you may find among that one thousand, two hundred and forty eight that Wikipedia cites, or whatever number will be on the payroll when something stupid happens, only you know for sure. I’ll let you do the counting. They are daunting odds in any case, and as you will see, they get more daunting as we go down this road that Malloy and Company have arranged for you.

(By the way, don’t forget to subtract those on the Green Zone protective details, for your political masters will certainly see their survival as your mission number one.)

So, how many folks would your superiors be interested in seeing you work their will upon? And of these, how many will fight regardless of cost?

Let’s assume that there are 100,000 non-compliant owners of military pattern semi-automatic rifles in your state. I think it is a larger number but 100,000 has a nice round ring to it.

Let us then apply the rule of three percent to that number — not to the entire population of your state, not even to the number of firearm owners, but just to that much smaller demonstrated number of resistors. That leaves you with at least 3,000 men and women who will shoot you if you try to enforce this intolerable act upon them.

Of course you will have to come prepared to shoot them. That’s a given. They know this. So please understand: THEY. WILL. SHOOT. YOU. (In what they believe is righteous self defense.)

Now, if any of them follow Bill Clinton’s rules of engagement and utilize the principles of 4th Generation Warfare, after the first shots are fired by your raid parties, they will not be home when you come to call. These people will be targeting, according to the 4GW that many of them learned while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, the war makers who sent you. This gets back to that “when democracy turns to tyranny, the armed citizenry still gets to vote.” One ballot, or bullet, at a time.

This is all hypothetical, of course, based upon the tyrants’ appetites for these hitherto law-abiding citizens’ liberty, property and lives as well as upon your own willingness to enforce their unconstitutional diktat. And here’s where you can do something about it. The first thing you have to realize is that the people you will be targeting do not view you as the enemy. Indeed, you are NOT their enemy, unless you choose to be one.

Again, an unconstitutional law is null and void. Of course you may if you like cling to the slim fact that a single black-robed bandit has ruled the Intolerable Act as constitutional in Shew vs. Malloy, but that will not matter to those three percent of the resistors – your fellow citizens – whom you target. They no longer expect a fair trial in your state in any case, which leaves them, if they wish to defend their liberty, property and lives, only the recourse of an unfair firefight. So to cite Shew vs. Malloy at the point of a state-issued firearm to such people is, well, betting your life on a very slender reed.

Thus, my kindly advice to you, just as it was to Lawlor, is to not go down that road. You are not the enemy of the people of Connecticut, not yet. The politicians who jammed this law down the peoples’ throats are plainly flummoxed by the resistance it has engendered. In the absence of a definitive U.S. Supreme Court decision do you really want to risk not being able to draw your pension over some politician’s insatiable appetite for power?

There are many ways you can refuse to get caught up in this. Passive resistance, looking the other way, up to and including outright refusal to execute what is a tyrannical law that a higher court may yet find unconstitutional and therefore null and void. Do you really want to have to kill someone enforcing THAT? Just because you were ordered to do so? After Nuremberg, that defense no longer obtains. (You may say, “Well, I’m just a secretary, a clerk, you can’t blame me for anything.” Kindly recall from Nuremberg one other lesson: raid parties cannot break down doors unless someone like you prepares the list in advance. In fact, you have at your keyboard and in your databases more raw, naked power than any kick-in-the-door trooper. And with that power comes moral responsibility. Adolf Eichmann didn’t personally kill anyone. But he darn sure made up the lists and saw to it that trains ran on time. When the first Connecticut citizen (or, God forbid, his family) is killed as a result of your list-making, do you think that because you didn’t pull the trigger that gives you a moral pass?)

So I call on you all, in your own best interest and that of your state, to refuse to enforce this unconstitutional law. There are a number of Three Percenters within the Connecticut state government, especially its law enforcement arms. I know that there have been many discussions around water-coolers and off state premises about the dangers that this puts CT law enforcement officers in and what officers should do if ordered to execute raids on the previously law-abiding.

You have it within your power to refuse to initiate hostilities in an American civil war that would, by its very nature, be ghastly beyond belief and would unleash hatreds and passions that would take generations to get over, if then.

Please, I beg you to understand, you are not the enemy, you are not an occupying force — unless you choose to violate the oath that each of you swore to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. For their part, the men and women who will be targeted by your raids took an identical oath. Can you think of anything more tragic than brother killing brother over some politician’s tyrannical appetite?

I can’t. The future — yours, mine, our children’s, that of the citizens of Connecticut and indeed of the entire country — is in YOUR hands.

At the very least, by your refusal you can give the courts time to work before proceeding into an unnecessary civil war against your own friends, neighbors, perhaps even family members, on the orders of a self-anointed elite who frankly don’t give a poo poo about you, your life, your future or that of your family. They wouldn’t pass these laws if they thought that they would have to risk the potential bullet that their actions have put you in the path of. They count on you to take that bullet, in service of their power and their lies. Fool them. Just say no to tyranny. You are not the enemy. Don’t act like one.

Sincerely,
Mike Vanderboegh
The alleged leader of a merry band of Three Percenters
PO Box 926
Pinson AL 35126

source: http://www.ammoland.com/2014/02/an-open-letter-to-the-men-and-women-of-the-connecticut-state-police/#axzz2tuTTjiI4/

tick tock....

Anti Federalist
02-20-2014, 06:09 PM
Tick tock indeed...

Good on Mike VanD.

invisible
02-20-2014, 06:38 PM
Frank Zappa, who said, “Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkPNw2h8ohw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkPNw2h8ohw

invisible
02-20-2014, 06:46 PM
He should have pulled a Zappa quote from the previous album, perhaps this would have been more appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4EnABWB4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4EnABWB4Y

torchbearer
02-20-2014, 06:50 PM
I is inspired.

Origanalist
02-20-2014, 07:08 PM
Outstanding. I hope his audience heeds his words.

Pericles
02-20-2014, 08:42 PM
Tick tock indeed...

Good on Mike VanD.

That is how to run a PSYOP.

Original_Intent
02-20-2014, 09:01 PM
That is how to run a PSYOP.
Or maybe the best way is to suggest that every legitimate protest is a PSYOP. Good way to keep the enemy confused and disorganized. Everyone too paranoid to trust anyone else for fear of an agent provocateur.

Pericles
02-20-2014, 10:00 PM
Or maybe the best way is to suggest that every legitimate protest is a PSYOP. Good way to keep the enemy confused and disorganized. Everyone too paranoid to trust anyone else for fear of an agent provocateur.
He had a number of actions leading up to that letter:

1. The Toys for Totalitarians campaign - 30 rounds magazines were sent certified mail to various politicians who supported the registration and ban.

The CT state police then sent the local sheriff to call on him - then step

2. Expose the main enforcer as a communist sympathizer - even to the guy's past that he got a visa to the Soviet Union in the 1980s, applied to work for the CIA and was rejected, and plants the idea that as a in the closet guy, and his activities have resulted in a FBI file, a CIA file, and probably a KGB file on him - and more

3. The letter in the OP

Anti Federalist
02-21-2014, 07:39 AM
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unknown
02-25-2014, 09:15 PM
Oh snap!

LibertyRevolution
02-26-2014, 02:29 AM
CT state police will not care about shooting people to take their guns, I bet they even look forward to it.
They are a militarized police force, do not count on them to side with the constitution, they will fallow orders and gun down civilians.
I have had many dealing with CT local and state police, it is one of the reasons I left CT.

JK/SEA
02-26-2014, 08:42 AM
CT state police will not care about shooting people to take their guns, I bet they even look forward to it.
They are a militarized police force, do not count on them to side with the constitution, they will fallow orders and gun down civilians.
I have had many dealing with CT local and state police, it is one of the reasons I left CT.

you think 'they' want to start a shooting war with 'Americans'....?

stay tuned.

pcosmar
02-26-2014, 09:06 AM
CT state police will not care about shooting people to take their guns, I bet they even look forward to it.
They are a militarized police force, do not count on them to side with the constitution, they will fallow orders and gun down civilians.
I have had many dealing with CT local and state police, it is one of the reasons I left CT.

A few years old,, but relevant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk7vhLxk9BE

AuH20
02-26-2014, 09:18 AM
CT state police will not care about shooting people to take their guns, I bet they even look forward to it.
They are a militarized police force, do not count on them to side with the constitution, they will fallow orders and gun down civilians.
I have had many dealing with CT local and state police, it is one of the reasons I left CT.

Some will do it for their dental coverage and pension. We're talking low grade mercs. Like I told another LEO on another forum, the Bill of Rights is not negotiable. Far greater men struggled and died to make sure the Bill of Rights was created and then later integrated into the U.S. Constitution. Some of us are not going to sit back and let some monkeys with a badge, juiced up on PEDs, take it away.

Pericles
02-26-2014, 04:17 PM
Some will do it for their dental coverage and pension. We're talking low grade mercs. Like I told another LEO on another forum, the Bill of Rights is not negotiable. Far greater men struggled and died to make sure the Bill of Rights was created and then later integrated into the U.S. Constitution. Some of us are not going to sit back and let some monkeys with a badge, juiced up on PEDs, take it away.
Whatever happens in the first state to try, will be a lesson to the others.

Philhelm
02-26-2014, 04:59 PM
Whatever happens in the first state to try, will be a lesson to the others.

If the SHTF in Connecticut, I'd imagine that there would be people from across the nation to support the Connecticut residents. Of course, this would result in the fedcoats escalating things. I'd like to see their masks of civility finally fall off to reveal their true malice.

Original_Intent
02-26-2014, 05:09 PM
This seriously reminds me of the part in "V for Vendetta" when the police detective has "just a feeling" and says that "Adam Sutler will do the only thing he knows how to do"... inevitable because those in power are hammers and think that every problem looks like a nail.

Anti Federalist
02-27-2014, 08:33 PM
And I'll just set this down right here:


Seatbelt Laws and Gun Control

by eric •

February 27, 2014

http://ericpetersautos.com/2014/02/27/seatbelt-laws-gun-control/

First, an acknowledgement. A reader suggested this – I’m merely taking the ball down the field…

Getting pulled over for no other reason than you weren’t wearing a seatbelt is now a routine thing. People accept this as normal, even reasonable.

Well, most people do.

I can assure you that the reverse was once true. Watch Mad Men, if you don’t believe me. It may be a TV show, I know – but it shows with extreme accuracy the way things were, attitude-wise, in the America I was born into. In the 1960s, there may have been a termagant or two screeching about seatbelts and such like – but they were regarded as termagants almost universally. Cops had better things to do – and so did most of us – than to worry about whether a grown man was wearing a seatbelt.

But the termagants kept at it, and by the 1980s, they finally got traction. The first mandatory “buckle up” law was passed – ironically enough, in the Orwellian year 1984. In – not ironically at all – New York. Fast forward to 2014 and only one (very tiny) state – New Hampshire – does not threaten adults with violence for electing not to wear a seat belt in their own car. In all the others, it is an offense for which one may be waylaid at gunpoint and compelled to hand over money. (Yes, at gunpoint. See what happens if you ignore the cop’s order to buckle-up, or – down the road – if you refuse to pay the fine.)

What’s this got to do with gun control – that is, with restricting, then criminalizing, possession of a firearm by ordinary civilians?

Unfortunately, a great deal.

This business in Connecticut – the draconian ban on “high capacity” magazines and “assault” rifles – sets exactly the sort of precedent that New York’s buckle up – or else – law did back in ’84. In each case, the state redefined what had previously been matters of personal choice as matters beyond personal choice. Or rather, matters to be decided by the personal choices of politicians and bureaucrats and then imposed on the masses at gunpoint.

Thirty years ago, there was outrage – and mockery – emanating from other states. Those silly New Yorkers! Yankees, don’t you know.

That would never fly here.

And yet, it flies everywhere now, just about (with the exception of tiny NH, a sliver of liberties past and now largely forgotten).

The same will happen with regard to the criminalization of various arbitrary categories of firearms and accessories. Precedent becomes practice. If they get away with it in CT, they will try to get away with it in other states. If the people of CT Submit & Obey – if they meekly hand over their weapons, accepting the premise that possessing a rifle or a pistol is tantamount to shooting up a school full of kids (in the same way, according to this warped logic, that possessing a vagina is tantamount to being a prostitute) it’ll be a bellwether – clear indication that while people will hue and cry over their gun rights – over their human rights - they will not (most of them) actually defend them once laws are passed rescinding them.

They will, indeed, Submit & Obey.

Just as they have with regard to seat belt laws. Just as they have with regard to being handled – literally handled – like felons being processed at a prison in order to board an airplane or attend a football game.

All these things would have sounded surreal, impossible, to the Mad Men America of the 1960s. And yet they are now part of our lives, routine.

Some of us grumble under our breath – but few of us actively protest, much less openly resist.

Perhaps the time is coming for that. If it is not already here.

I won’t put my life on the line over the seatbelt law. I evade it, I ignore it – to the extent I can. But if I find myself waylaid by a cop over it, I’ll play along. I won’t argue, I’ll sign the damnable piece of payin’ paper and send them their extortion. Then I’ll go back to not wearing my seatbelt until the next time I get caught.

But if my state should enact a law such as the one now in effect in Connecticut? If they order me to surrender my guns – or else?

It may be time to accept “or else.”

Tens of thousands of CT citizens may have already come to exactly this conclusion. 350,000 of them, actually (see here). That’s how many “unregistered” – and now, banned – weapons are estimated to be out there, in the hands of citizens who – so far – have refused to Submit & Obey. They are now felons, under CT law.

For the moment, CT authoritarians are laying low – not yet going door-to-door in search of “illegal” weapons. But they inevitably will. They must. A law not enforced is a null law. (Would you “buckle up” if you knew no cop would bother you about it? Maybe you would – but but many people would not. I certainly would not.)

So, it’s either – or. The state backs down. Or the people submit. There’s no middle ground.

And that’s an explosive situation.

Throw it in the Woods?

roho76
02-27-2014, 08:43 PM
Is there an initiative to get those couple hundred people who registered late to come together and others from Connecticut can volunteer to stand up with them against the police? We know that's where they're going to go first.

Anti Federalist
02-27-2014, 09:06 PM
This seriously reminds me of the part in "V for Vendetta" when the police detective has "just a feeling" and says that "Adam Sutler will do the only thing he knows how to do"... inevitable because those in power are hammers and think that every problem looks like a nail.

One of the best parts of an amazing movie:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrwTDfdck7I

Anti Federalist
02-27-2014, 09:36 PM
Another great scene from V


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHC94ubuTEM

Anti Federalist
02-27-2014, 09:36 PM
Another great scene from V


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHC94ubuTEM

Anti Federalist
03-01-2014, 02:13 PM
Blimp

Weston White
03-01-2014, 05:17 PM
The underlying problem with counting on LEO’ to do the right thing, to follow their oath is severely hindered, I tend to think, for the following reasons (although there are more considerations):

1. A qualified field or beat officer now makes at least $60,000, upward to $80,000 each year. Whereas, any other private sector job that they would be lucky to qualify for would not be likely to bring in more than $25,000 per year.
2. They can advance rapidly on a mere criminology degree (a largely useless degree that is easily obtainable), making detective, supervisor, or even manager. And with a master in criminology they can advance into a top leadership role earning beyond $120,000 per year and their own private office.
3. Most have no concept of (or respect for) America’s founding, and will never even bother with such distinctions or considerations. Further, their standards and training provides virtually zero consideration to such aspects; and their more advanced training is increasingly connecting it to extremists, radicals, loons, and “those kinds of people”.
4. LE departments are rabid with nepotism and LE family-lines, which contribute to them upholding long held family expectations and otherwise to peer pressure.
5. Similar to the military, most LE departments permit for retirement after only 20-years.
6. Due to outstanding contractual perks, a LEO that remains financial prudence throughout their career can retire early as a millionaire.
7. A LEO that does not play the game, will get bad evaluations, will not receive promotions, will be shunned by their peers, will not be considered for special duties or details (e.g., SWAT, undercover operations, etc.), and once a pattern of such “disobedience” is established they will eventually be terminated and appealing to their union representatives will be poorly received.
8. Should they be terminated for cause, that means they are prohibited from even being considered for any other public employment positions within that city or town; and further severely impacts their employment opportunities throughout the public sector (be it local, state, or federal).

AuH20
03-01-2014, 08:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkjqT-rgGl4

JK/SEA
03-01-2014, 09:39 PM
so, the gun owners are in a mexican standoff with the LEO's right now....

PaulConventionWV
03-01-2014, 10:40 PM
I fear the worst, but I hope for the best. If they try to enforce this, they will succeed, but that will only be the first battle. If they withdraw and the law becomes moot, then just as the first colonists pushed for more, the people will feel that they can push for more, that they can get what they want by resistance.

Unfortunately, I think this government has learned the mistakes of England's tyrannical ways and will not repeat them. If enough people rebel and they attempt to squander the rebellion, they will continue until the rebellion is squandered, at all costs. Hold on to your hats, ladies and gentlemen; better yet, your guns.

Dogsoldier
03-01-2014, 10:47 PM
Hey anybody want to donate money to purchase 100,000 V for vendetta masks and send them to Connecticut?

pcosmar
03-01-2014, 10:47 PM
Unfortunately, I think this government has learned the mistakes of England's tyrannical ways and will not repeat them. If enough people rebel and they attempt to squander the rebellion, they will continue until the rebellion is squandered, at all costs. Hold on to your hats, ladies and gentlemen; better yet, your guns.

The government never learns.
And the elitists,, the social controllers will never stop.

This needs the inevitable confrontation. And the elitists need to lose hard,, to keep them quiet for many years..

but they will never stop. They never do.

enoch150
03-02-2014, 01:03 AM
Is there an initiative to get those couple hundred people who registered late to come together and others from Connecticut can volunteer to stand up with them against the police? We know that's where they're going to go first.

Would you want to stand with them against the police? We know two things about them: 1. they ultimately did bend knee to the state, and 2. they procrastinated about doing it.

To me that says 1. they won't resist the police, when they come, and 2. if they did change their minds and there was an offer of support by others against police confiscation, they would procrastinate about making preparations.

When the cops come for their guns, those people will serve as a signal to everyone else in the country. Until they prove otherwise, that's the only thing I'd trust them for.

PaulConventionWV
03-02-2014, 09:03 AM
The government never learns.
And the elitists,, the social controllers will never stop.

This needs the inevitable confrontation. And the elitists need to lose hard,, to keep them quiet for many years..

but they will never stop. They never do.

I'm not sure why you would say the government never learns. They are quite good at doing bad things on purpose, but that doesn't mean they're bumbling fools. They can and do learn how to keep us subdued.

pcosmar
03-02-2014, 09:11 AM
They can and do learn how to keep us subdued.

That has been known for thousands of years.
Government is brute force. and only understands brute force.

greyseal
03-02-2014, 07:24 PM
Its Official this “Law” is for Probate proceedings.
Public Acts Public Act 13-3 An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children’s Safety.

Administered through the Probate Court

A *conservator is obligated to transfer or surrender firearms in the possession of a conserved person and to prevent the conserved person from having access to firearms owned by others. An ineligible person who fails to transfer or surrender a firearm or ammunition may be guilty of a Class C felony. (Effective October 1, 2013)

Office of the Probate

Court Administrator
2013 Legislative Summary
http://www.ctprobate.gov/Documents/2013%20Legislative%20Summary.pdf

PUBLISHED BY
OFFICE OF THE
PROBATE COURT ADMINISTRATOR
STATE OF CONNECTICUT
The Probate Court system achieved a successful legislative session in 2013. Our two bills, both of which were joint proposals of the Probate Assembly and probate administration, were enacted. In addition, our budget request was fully funded, enabling us to implement much deserved raises for court employees and judges. I thank all of you who worked to develop and advocate for our bills. The material in this packet includes a summary of each bill, together with a copy of the public act. The summaries are not meant to replace the public acts and are offered only to present a general understanding of the legislation. Bracketed text in the public acts indicates deletions, and underlined text indicates additions. Please note the effective dates of each act. We will present continuing education seminars on the new legislation at the court staff training on October 16th and the Judges Institute on October 23rd.

Table of Contents
Public Acts Public Act 13-3 An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children’s Safety.
Public Act 13-220 An Act Concerning Revisions to the Gun Violence Prevention and Children’s Safety Act.
Public Act 13-3 (SB 1160) An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children’s Safety Effective Date: See individual sections SUMMARY This complex act contains several changes to laws that govern the possession, transfer and sale of firearms and addresses a variety of mental health and school safety issues. Relatively few of the act’s provisions involve the Probate Courts. Those that do are summarized below. Assault weapons and large capacity magazines Sections 23 through 31: The act prospectively prohibits the sale, transfer, and possession of assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines. A grandfather provision permits an individual who has legally owned assault weapons or large capacity magazines before May 4, 2013 to retain possession, provided that the owner files the necessary documents with the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection.
Assault weapons and large capacity magazines may not be sold or transferred to anyone in Connecticut other than a licensed gun dealer. They may, however, be passed to others by bequest or intestate succession. The executor or administrator of the estate must obtain authorization from the Probate Court for the transfer, and the heir or beneficiary must file documentation with the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection. See Section 23 (large capacity magazines) and Section 26 (assault weapons). (Effective April 4, 2013) Ineligible persons Sections 34 and 44: Federal law prohibits an individual from purchasing or possessing firearms if he or she has been committed to an institution for treatment of a psychiatric disability or if a court has appointed a conservator for the person in an involuntary proceeding. The act codifies the same prohibitions as state law.
In addition, the act prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm for 60 months following an involuntary commitment and for six months following a voluntary admission to a hospital for treatment of a psychiatric disability. A person who is ineligible to possess firearms or ammunition must, within two days of the event that triggered the prohibition, sell or transfer the firearms or ammunition to an eligible person or surrender them to the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection. A person who surrenders a firearm to the Department retains the ability to sell or transfer it within one year of the surrender.
A *conservator is obligated to transfer or surrender firearms in the possession of a conserved person and to prevent the conserved person from having access to firearms owned by others. An ineligible person who fails to transfer or surrender a firearm or ammunition may be guilty of a Class C felony. (Effective October 1, 2013) Name change Section 21: Existing law requires that the court notify the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection when an application for a change of name is filed by a person who is required to register as a sexual offender. The commissioner has standing to object to the requested name change. The act amends C.G.S. section 45a-99 to make the same provisions applicable to individuals who are required to register as offenders convicted of committing a crime with a deadly weapon. (Effective January 1, 2014)
Public Act 13-220 (SB 1094) An Act Concerning Revisions to the Gun Violence Prevention and Children’s Safety Act Effective date: See individual sections SUMMARY This act amends P.A. 13-3, discussed above. Again, only a few of the sections pertain to the Probate Courts. Sections 1 and 5 amend sections 23 and 26 of P.A. 13-3 to clarify that the exceptions to the law that allow large capacity magazines and assault weapons to pass to a party by bequest or intestate succession include bequests to a trust or transfers from a trust to a beneficiary under the terms of the trust. (Effective upon passage)
Section 20 amends C.G.S. section 45a-100, which addresses applications to the Probate Courts from individuals seeking relief from federal firearms disability. Section 20 precludes the court from granting such relief if state law prohibits the petitioner from possessing firearms due to an involuntary commitment, within the preceding 60 months or a voluntary commitment within the preceding six months. (Effective October 1, 2013)

AuH20
03-03-2014, 04:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxZHHWXs0g#t=46