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Origanalist
02-19-2014, 04:03 PM
http://www.nbcolympics.com/sites/nbcolympics.com/files/styles/875x492/public/david_wise_growing_up_family_cropped.zip_files/David%20Wise_Growing%20Up_Family_Cropped/DavidWise_02.jpg

KRASNAYA POLYANA, Russia — “Hey, Nayeli,” he said peering into the camera. “Daddy loves you!”

Those were the words of David Wise, the freestyle skiing halfpipe gold medalist Tuesday night after he won his event’s first-ever Olympic medal.

David Wise is at the top of his sport. He’s always smiling among his friends and competitors, however, he’s not like the rest of the field. He is mature.

Not to say the rest of the freestyle skiers of halfpipe are not mature, but Wise is mature far beyond his years. At only twenty-three years old, he has a wife, Alexander, who was waiting patiently in the crowd, and together they have a two-year-old daughter waiting for them to return to their home in Reno, Nevada.

At such a young age, Wise has the lifestyle of an adult. He wears a Baby Bjorn baby carrier around the house. He also attends church regularly and says he could see himself becoming a pastor a little later down the road.


This is just plain ridiculous.

- See more at: http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/david-wises-alternative-lifestyle-leads-olympic-gold?ctx=olympic-journey#sthash.61yh7PVB.dpuf

moostraks
02-19-2014, 04:11 PM
Blah!!! No wonder people look at my family with shock. Alternative lifestyle??? Well maybe we can be considered cool now. Nope, the state wants us within the mold they demand.

Anti Federalist
02-19-2014, 04:19 PM
Unless you are a world class athlete, rock star or lottery winner, that's about the only ways you can be a young man and support a wife and children.

Yay "free trade" and "globalization".

Christian Liberty
02-19-2014, 04:20 PM
The wife's name is "Alexander"? That's weird. Alexandra or Alexis I could see, but "Alexander?" isn't that a guy's name?

eduardo89
02-19-2014, 04:22 PM
I guess I live an alternative lifestyle as well.

FriedChicken
02-19-2014, 04:24 PM
Its nice to know NBC would consider me to be mature beyond my years as well! :). When I was 23 my first born was 1 year old.

This seems to be a non-story. Nothing to get excited about and nothing to get riled over either. It probably is kinda rare for a man in that field to be a family man so early in his life.
He seems like a good guy too, best of luck to him.

brushfire
02-19-2014, 04:25 PM
The wife's name is "Alexander"? That's weird. Alexandra or Alexis I could see, but "Alexander?" isn't that a guy's name?

Yea, I got hung up on that too... Type-o maybe? (confirmed, Alexandra)

Regardless, this man is obviously a "racist homophobe".

juleswin
02-19-2014, 04:25 PM
23 yr old man with a 2 yr old and married. That my friend is rare and the alternative lifestyle aspect is due to the combination of things that make him different from the average 23 yr old. Do a little partying, enjoy your youth and just live a little before settling down.

donnay
02-19-2014, 04:29 PM
That's not an alternative lifestyle, that's old school.

FriedChicken
02-19-2014, 04:39 PM
Unless you are a world class athlete, rock star or lottery winner, that's about the only ways you can be a young man and support a wife and children.

Yay "free trade" and "globalization".

My wife and I are getting along pretty good with two kids. She stays at home and I make about $25,000 a year.
We're running extremely short on money at the moment and have burnt through all our savings because of buying and remodeling a repo house - but by April we should be living in a 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that would probably sell for $65,000 and be debt free.

I installed high efficiency equipment and insulated it well so hopefully our living expenses will be low enough where we can build our savings back up while living there and save for a larger house with more land.

For a 4 person household $25k is a pretty small income but if you and your spouse are both determined to make it work it can happen. Of course an unlucky event could completely put us under. We're definitely vulnerable but if all goes well we'll be a fairly stable position soon.

eduardo89
02-19-2014, 04:41 PM
Unless you are a world class athlete, rock star or lottery winner, that's about the only ways you can be a young man and support a wife and children.

Yay "free trade" and "globalization".

Not true.

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 04:41 PM
My wife and I are getting along pretty good with two kids. She stays at home and I make about $25,000 a year.
We're running extremely short on money at the moment and have burnt through all our savings because of buying and remodeling a repo house - but by April we should be living in a 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that would probably sell for $65,000 and be dept free.

I installed high efficiency equipment and insulated it well so hopefully our living expenses will be low enough where we can build our savings back up while living there and save for a larger house with more land.

For a 4 person household $25k is a pretty small income but if you and your spouse are both determined to make it work it can happen. Of course an unlucky event could completely put us under. We're definitely vulnerable but if all goes well we'll be a fairly stable position soon.

So do you considers yours a alternative lifestyle?

Root
02-19-2014, 04:48 PM
Poor kid. He's totally missing out on a big piece of ski culture that is prime around his age.

Snew
02-19-2014, 05:00 PM
Good for him! Cute family :)

Reading the article... since when is 23 y/o not an adult? This extension of adolescence/teenagerdom is starting to get ridiculous. (And I say that as a teenager.)

eduardo89
02-19-2014, 05:03 PM
Good for him! Cute family :)

Reading the article... since when is 23 y/o not an adult? This extension of adolescence/teenagerdom is starting to get ridiculous. (And I say that as a teenager.)

In Obama's America, you're a child until you turn 26.

juleswin
02-19-2014, 05:07 PM
Good for him! Cute family :)

Reading the article... since when is 23 y/o not an adult? This extension of adolescence/teenagerdom is starting to get ridiculous. (And I say that as a teenager.)

He has a 2 yr old kid, so lets imagine that 2 yrs plus the 9 months she was pregnant, he has been a family man. So this means that his youth ended at the tender age of 20 ish. 20 yrs I think is just way too young to settle down, I am rooting for him but if I had a son, I would advise him to wait a few more yrs before making a life long commitment such as marriage and children.

Snew
02-19-2014, 05:14 PM
He has a 2 yr old kid, so lets imagine that 2 yrs plus the 9 months she was pregnant, he has been a family man. So this means that his youth ended at the tender age of 20 ish. 20 yrs I think is just way too young to settle down, I am rooting for him but if I had a son, I would advise him to wait a few more yrs before making a life long commitment such as marriage and children.

I see what you're saying. I mean, I definitely don't think I'm mature enough or ready to "settle down" so to speak, at 17. (A guy's got to have some freedom, after all ;) ) But I think the phenomenon of the increasing length of childhood is really interesting & a little sad. Historically speaking, it's really only been like this in recent times.

donnay
02-19-2014, 05:39 PM
The youth is wasted on the young.

ghengis86
02-19-2014, 05:51 PM
The youth is wasted on the young.

Who was that? Hemingway?

donnay
02-19-2014, 06:00 PM
Who was that? Hemingway?

George Bernard Shaw

eduardo89
02-19-2014, 06:04 PM
George Bernard Shaw

He was socialist scum.

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 06:05 PM
He has a 2 yr old kid, so lets imagine that 2 yrs plus the 9 months she was pregnant, he has been a family man. So this means that his youth ended at the tender age of 20 ish. 20 yrs I think is just way too young to settle down, I am rooting for him but if I had a son, I would advise him to wait a few more yrs before making a life long commitment such as marriage and children.

You might think that, but that of course is your opinion. I had kids young and it was the best thing that could have happened to me.

KCIndy
02-19-2014, 06:30 PM
In Obama's America, you're a child until you turn 26.

Aw, ya beat me to it! I was thinking the same thing. With Obamacare letting "kids" stay on their parents' insurance until 26, there we are. I've also seen the government's definition of a "child" include 19 year old gang-bangers who shoot each other go into the "statistics columns as "death of a child caused by a firearm."

Here in the U.S. we're seeing "child" and "youngster" being redefined to the point that it's approaching what used to be referred to as "middle age."

donnay
02-19-2014, 06:43 PM
He was socialist scum.

"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it."
~ George Bernard Shaw


George Bernard Shaw -- born 1856, Dublin; died 1950

winner of the 1925 Nobel Prize in literature

. . . and there is, on the whole, nothing on earth intended for innocent people so horrible as a school. To begin with, it is a prison. But it is in some respects more cruel than a prison. In a prison, for instance, you are not forced to read books written by the warders (who of course would not be warders and governors if they could write readable books), and beaten or otherwise tormented if you cannot remember their utterly unmemorable contents. In the prison you are not forced to sit listening to the turnkeys discoursing without charm or interest on subjects that they don't understand and don't care about, and are therefore incapable of making you understand or care about. In a prison they may torture your body; but they do not torture your brains; and they protect you against violence and outrage from your fellow-prisoners. In a school you have none of these advantages. With the world's bookshelves loaded with fascinating and inspired books, the very manna sent down from Heaven to feed your souls, you are forced to read a hideous imposture called a school book, written by a man who cannot write: A book from which no human can learn anything: a book which, though you may decipher it, you cannot in any fruitful sense read, though the enforced attempt will make you loathe the sight of a book all the rest of your life.
"A Treatise on Parents and Children," preface to Misalliance (1909), reprinted in Bernard Shaw: Collected Plays with Their Prefaces, volume IV (1972), page 35.
http://learninfreedom.org/Nobel_hates_school.html

donnay
02-19-2014, 06:45 PM
You might think that, but that of course is your opinion. I had kids young and it was the best thing that could have happened to me.

Ditto. Now I am enjoying grandchildren, where I can still keep up with them. :D

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 06:54 PM
Ditto. Now I am enjoying grandchildren, where I can still keep up with them. :D

I can still catch them. :) My oldest though, (so far) is getting a little too big. I can catch him but I can barely lift him, he weighs more than I do.

donnay
02-19-2014, 07:01 PM
I can still catch them. :) My oldest though, (so far) is getting a little too big. I can catch him but I can barely lift him, he weighs more than I do.


That's the beauty of getting married young and having children young--once that is behind you, you can live your life however way you like, with a great big smile on your face because the thing you accomplished is producing productive liberty-minded human beings as a legacy.

That really pisses off the globalists--since their goal is to break up the family.

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 07:11 PM
That's the beauty of getting married young and having children young--once that is behind you, you can live your life however way you like, with a great big smile on your face because the thing you accomplished is producing productive liberty-minded human beings as a legacy.

That really pisses off the globalists--since there goal is to break up the family.

If you weren't AF's wife, I would give you a big fat kiss for that post. :D

heavenlyboy34
02-19-2014, 07:16 PM
If you weren't AF's wife, I would give you a big fat kiss for that post. :D
I would kiss her anyway. ;) :D It's all in good fun amongst friends. :cool:

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 07:23 PM
A peck on the cheek might be alright. :toady:

Spikender
02-19-2014, 07:26 PM
I wouldn't call it an alternative lifestyle, just one of many and outside what is desired by some. I don't really see the story here.

donnay
02-19-2014, 07:27 PM
A peck on the cheek might be alright. :toady:


Thank you. ;)

VoluntaryAmerican
02-19-2014, 07:29 PM
Yeah old timers please explain to me when this babying 20+ year old things happened?

heavenlyboy34
02-19-2014, 07:35 PM
A peck on the cheek might be alright. :toady:
Ideally, both cheeks and forehead. :) But I come from a huggy-kissy sort of culture. :o It's not for everyone.

eduardo89
02-19-2014, 07:41 PM
But I come from a huggy-kissy sort of culture. :o

And I thought your hug obsession was because you weren't love enough as a child.

juleswin
02-19-2014, 07:41 PM
You might think that, but that of course is your opinion. I had kids young and it was the best thing that could have happened to me.

Hmm, that actually sounds good if you think about it. Have your kids around 20-25 and by 40 you are financially established, your kids are out of the house and you have the energy are again free to go crazy.

If I had to do it, I will have kids at 20 :)

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 07:42 PM
Yeah old timers please explain to me when this babying 20+ year old things happened?

It sure as hell never happened with my kids. It wasn't I who advocated 20 somethings as being children.

KurtBoyer25L
02-19-2014, 07:46 PM
The youth is wasted on the young.

The the grammar is wasted is.

eduardo89
02-19-2014, 07:49 PM
Hmm, that actually sounds good if you think about it. Have your kids around 20-25 and by 40 you are financially established, your kids are out of the house and you have the energy are again free to go crazy.

If I had to do it, I will have kids at 20 :)

I'll be 39 when my daughter is 18.

donnay
02-19-2014, 07:49 PM
The the grammar is wasted is.

:eek:

juleswin
02-19-2014, 07:56 PM
I'll be 39 when my daughter is 18.

Sweet, I'll still be young enough to date her when she turns 18. Just kidding, good on you. It takes serious maturity to do what it takes to settle down at that age.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-19-2014, 07:58 PM
Pervert.

Lindsey
02-19-2014, 08:05 PM
I am the youngest, when I graduated from college my parents were 42 and 44. They raised their family and now have all their time and money to use to really enjoy life.

A few of my friends have waited until they were in their 40s to have kids - and while financially it is easier, they seem to have a lot harder time doing anything other than keeping up with their young kids. They are basically going to spend the rest of their lives raising their families, by the time their kids are independent, they'll be nearing the point where they need to be cared for.

Each approach has it's advantages and disadvantages, but my preference if I were to have kids would be to do it in my 20s.

eduardo89
02-19-2014, 08:10 PM
Sweet, I'll still be young enough to date her when she turns 18. Just kidding, good on you. It takes serious maturity to do what it takes to settle down at that age.

It wasn't planned, but it's been the best thing to happen to me. With that responsibility comes maturity. That's why I need this forum, it's a place I can put the maturity on hold for a few moments every day :D

DamianTV
02-19-2014, 08:30 PM
Establishment Controlled Feminism advances Cultural Marxism, which claims that oppression emerges from Patriarchal society and culture, and not the State. Govts love cultural Marxism because it absolves them of blame. The true source of all oppression has always been the State, but by blaming it on men or western culture in general (which is primarily shaped by men), the State hides its own responsibility. Unwed Mothers are now "the cool thing to do", more Group Think of Cultural Marxism. Many women percieve being Unmarried and having a kid as a statement of resistance to the oppression of men, when what they are really doing is supporting State oppression of men even more.

When Marxism is misidentified as Feminism, both men and women suffer from furthering more State oppression.

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 08:38 PM
Establishment Controlled Feminism advances Cultural Marxism, which claims that oppression emerges from Patriarchal society and culture, and not the State. Govts love cultural Marxism because it absolves them of blame. The true source of all oppression has always been the State, but by blaming it on men or western culture in general (which is primarily shaped by men), the State hides its own responsibility. Unwed Mothers are now "the cool thing to do", more Group Think of Cultural Marxism. Many women percieve being Unmarried and having a kid as a statement of resistance to the oppression of men, when what they are really doing is supporting State oppression of men even more.

When Marxism is misidentified as Feminism, both men and women suffer from furthering more State oppression.

Exactly right, right on DTV.

CaptUSA
02-19-2014, 08:40 PM
This is normal in rural America. At least where I live. Nothing "alternative" about it.

That being said, it will become more rare if they are still together by the kid's 15th birthday.

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 08:44 PM
This is normal in rural America. At least where I live. Nothing "alternative" about it.

That being said, it will become more rare if they are still together by the kid's 15th birthday.

And why is that? Was it always so?

Cutlerzzz
02-19-2014, 08:51 PM
Unless you are a world class athlete, rock star or lottery winner, that's about the only ways you can be a young man and support a wife and children.

Yay "free trade" and "globalization".

You can easily have a bachelor's or associate degree, learn a trade, get multiple promotions from a low skill job, start a business, or get a factory job by 23.

DamianTV
02-19-2014, 08:58 PM
You can easily have a bachelor's or associate degree, learn a trade, get multiple promotions from a low skill job, start a business, or get a factory job by 23.

Getting a degree unfortunately is now much easier than getting a job that allows one to pay for that degree. "The Educated Poor". Of course, it does depend on the type of degree itself.

One things for sure, as society continues to shift toward Total Facism and Tyranny, our definition of "Normal" will change with that shift as well. Unmarried Pregnancies used to turn the expecting mothers into Pariahs in their communities, but now, it is considered not only "Normal" but to be expected, and all at the continued expense of Marxism in place of Real Womens Rights creating a plethora of "Disposable Men".

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 09:01 PM
You can easily have a bachelor's or associate degree, learn a trade, get multiple promotions from a low skill job, start a business, or get a factory job by 23.

At 23 I was making pretty good coin, running a 5 man crew and supporting 3 kids and a wife. Unfortunately the wife turned out to be the biggest burden. But that was my own poor judgement.

DamianTV
02-19-2014, 09:30 PM
At 23 I was making pretty good coin, running a 5 man crew and supporting 3 kids and a wife. Unfortunately the wife turned out to be the biggest burden. But that was my own poor judgement.

I was doing a lot better at 23 than I am right now. Economic factors into relationships more than most other aspects, it would appear. Of course every situation is different though. Most people are getting heavily screwed, except for the very tippy top 0.01%. Problem still is that so many place blame on another group instead of Govt being the source of the consequential problems. Blame immigrants, employers, men, automation, inflation, exports, China, and pretty much everyone else under the sun excluding the Fractional Reserve Banking System itself, and Govts heavy addiction to printing borrowed money. Everything else just rolls downhill.

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 09:33 PM
I was doing a lot better at 23 than I am right now. Economic factors into relationships more than most other aspects, it would appear. Of course every situation is different though. Most people are getting heavily screwed, except for the very tippy top 0.01%. Problem still is that so many place blame on another group instead of Govt being the source of the consequential problems. Blame immigrants, employers, men, automation, inflation, exports, China, and pretty much everyone else under the sun excluding the Fractional Reserve Banking System itself, and Govts heavy addiction to printing borrowed money. Everything else just rolls downhill.

Out of rep for you my friend, I couldn't agree more. The devaluation of the dollar is THE main difference between now and then.

osan
02-19-2014, 09:40 PM
The youth is wasted on the youngstoopid.

Fixed that fer y'.

Jamesiv1
02-19-2014, 09:41 PM
Old school is defeating another tribe that encroaches on your grazing land, enslaving the men, taking the women into your harem, and get the young ones to start bearing children around 15 or 16. Marry a few so you can have a bunch of heirs. Mom doesn't do much besides play nursemaid. The older women raise the kids. The older men teach the young bucks how to be good men.

The good 'ol days.

jclay2
02-19-2014, 09:42 PM
This perception is the result of countless years of media deception and economic terrorism by the elite. I am 23 and have a 6 month old. Unfortunately, our sick culture considers mine and this skier's experience alternative. Most people my age can't balance a check book or attain work that pays minimum wage, let alone raise a kid.

DamianTV
02-19-2014, 09:52 PM
Out of rep for you my friend, I couldn't agree more. The devaluation of the dollar is THE main difference between now and then.

Fully agree. With a much stronger dollar and no welfare system, families probably stay together and cooperate for the benefit of the family itself. One parent can work and pay the bills and the other can raise children. As the value of the dollar dropped, both parents were forced to work, abandoning the child and causing focus of money to be more important than focus on family. Welfare only exaccerbated the problem. A lot of other societal norms have shifted as well. The majority of women consider unemployed men to be "undatable" or "unsuitable for a long term relationship". Education plays an even bigger role. Race seems to play less of a roll now as opposed to back in the day, which may be considered "a good thing" depending on ones perspective. Another huge, but often ignored factor is Insurance for family. The relationships of families have become exceedingly complex compared to times of old. Many things that are now a factor in the outcome of relationships in general. People break up and hook up via Text Msgs and Facebook instead of face to face. One night stands are preferred over the "ball and chain". But nearly everything factors in. V'genism, TV preferences, political views, employment, insurance, income, education, alcohol / drug habits, family acceptance of significant other, everything has become a factor, and many are used as an excuse to no longer make any effort to fix any problems in the relationship itself.

In the Disposable Society, we throw computers away when they dont work, we plan to upgrade our phones, packaging is fully disposable instead of recyclable, and as a result, the mentality of something is no longer as good as you want it to be results in replacement, not upgrade or repair. Get a new boy-toy instead of making any effort to overcome the inherit problems that every relationship will have. Im not sure which causes more problems, the decline of the value of the Dollar, or the mentality of "Disposable People", but both, and many other things contribute to the demise of the Natural Family.

Origanalist
02-19-2014, 09:53 PM
Old school is defeating another tribe that encroaches on your grazing land, enslaving the men, taking the women into your harem, and get the young ones to start bearing children around 15 or 16. Marry a few so you can have a bunch of heirs. Mom doesn't do much besides play nursemaid. The older women raise the kids. The older men teach the young bucks how to be good men.

The good 'ol days.

You have no idea how fucking stupid that sounds to those of us who have not benefited from you're enlightened education.

Jamesiv1
02-19-2014, 10:23 PM
You have no idea how fucking stupid that sounds to those of us who have not benefited from you're enlightened education.
lol

I'm not sure what you mean by "enlightened education" but I acknowledge your opinion, and remind that everybody has one.

We like to think humanity has progressed because we have better gadgets, but I suggest on the scales of morality, spirituality and mental acuity humankind has regressed, not progressed.

We're on the brink of blowing up half the world's population, food is junk, water is poison, the oceans are dying, and damn near every population on the planet has money made of nothing and the masses are scrounging 9 to 5 to make more of it instead of living and loving their families.

Progress, indeed.

"How can man own what man did not create?"

puppetmaster
02-19-2014, 10:53 PM
I would guess LDS but who knows....good on you !!

asurfaholic
02-20-2014, 04:22 AM
I "settled down" young. I started "going out" with my wife in middle school. High school was full on dating, 4 years after HS we married. 3years later we had a little girl .

No partying around for me

I love my wife.

tod evans
02-20-2014, 06:10 AM
That's not an alternative lifestyle, that's old school.

Normal...........

FriedChicken
02-20-2014, 07:07 AM
So do you considers yours a alternative lifestyle?

Never really thought about it honestly. We made a lot of choices that many would consider foolish but I don't regret any of them.
We didn't date other people, we waited to have sex till married, we didn't use birth contraceptive pills because we were worried about hormonal imbalance side effects and she got pregnant 5 months after we were married. Been married 4.5 years and have 2 kids. I'm 26, she is 28.

Our first official date was after we got married - ya know, dress up nice and go out to eat and a movie. Before that we mostly just hung around at one of our houses or with friends. We liked watching old John Wayne movies and stuff. I ran a skate park at the time (I was a volunteer) so we hung out there a lot to. We were only boyfriend and girlfriend for about a year and a half before our wedding date.

Several of her friends were convinced that I was a terrible boyfriend who should "try harder" to "win her over" because I didn't do very romantic stuff. She was fine with that and liked me being myself without sprucing myself up to impress her. The first bouquet I brought her were wild flowers my daughter helped pick.

Looking back I don't regret anything at all.
Last night we had a 'Pizza and Chuck' date where I surprised her by bringing home cookies, BBQ chips and Smirnoff ice that she use to drink with her friend before we got married and we ordered a pizza after our kids were asleep and watched the tv show 'Chuck' on netflix till 11:30 then went to bed.

I love my life.
Its a little different but its perfect for me. I think that last part is whats important.
If two other people made all the same choices it could be a totally different result.

Barrex
02-20-2014, 08:01 AM
The wife's name is "Alexander"? That's weird. Alexandra or Alexis I could see, but "Alexander?" isn't that a guy's name?

It is pronounced Diane.

Paulbot99
02-20-2014, 08:23 AM
Couldn't find the comments on that site. On other sites, he's probably being crucified for his "oppression" of his wife and child.