View Full Version : Proven method to maximize the money bomb effect
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 06:03 AM
Mods, you might want to sticky this because it has the potential to pour gas on the money bomb fire today.
In addition to getting the cash, the campaign gets a lot of milage out of the fact that many new donors come into the fold on money bomb days. I did this on Nov 5th and it really worked out well. It's easy, fun and it helps a TON. It's not enough to just encourage people to donate - you have to make it super simple, especially on days like today.
If you're reading this right now that means you're on a computer - you can become a donation order taker!
Pick up the phone and call anyone you've ever talked with who has been remotely interested in Ron Paul. Tell them about the significance of the day and how important it is for them to participate - even at a small amount like $5 or $10 (don't pressure them - let them pick the amount). While they are on the phone, get their CC info and enter it onto the site yourself. Be sure to use their email and mailing address so HQ counts them as a unique donor. I got a lot of my family and friends who were casually interested in Dr. Paul to do this. They were planning to donate at some point but having me call and offer to do it for them made it painless and a no-brainer.
Work the phones! Everyone here should be able to get a least a few people to do this. Trust me, this has a huge impact on the success of the money bomb. Please just pick up the phone and call anyone you know who might be willing to give a few bucks to the campaign. That's all it takes to make this day a success.
Of course, please only use someone's CC info with their permission. :)
rodent
11-30-2007, 06:05 AM
I'm totally shocked people give you their CC info. You must be a really nice guy everyone trusts or something.
People would tell me to get lost.
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 06:11 AM
I'm totally shocked people give you their CC info. You must be a really nice guy everyone trusts or something.
People would tell me to get lost.
It helps if you call family members and people that you know really well. Call them all - most are willing to contribute a least a few dollars to the campaign.
Menthol Patch
11-30-2007, 06:14 AM
Please don't ask strangers for credit card information! That is an easy way to get in trouble big time.
I think we should call everyone and urge them to donate and give walk them through the process via the phone. But THEY should be the ones donating and only the CAMPAIGN should have access to their credit card number!
BeFranklin
11-30-2007, 06:24 AM
Please don't ask strangers for credit card information! That is an easy way to get in trouble big time.
I think we should call everyone and urge them to donate and give walk them through the process via the phone. But THEY should be the ones donating and only the CAMPAIGN should have access to their credit card number!
This is illegal, and breaks the rules credit card companies have on taking orders. I reported this post; I'm not making any judgment on whether the original poster had good intentions or not, but this would get us in a lot of trouble, and even violates our own statements to donate directly to the campaign hq only.
James R
11-30-2007, 06:31 AM
This is illegal, and breaks the rules credit card companies have on taking orders. I reported this post; I'm not making any judgment on whether the original poster had good intentions or not, but this would get us in a lot of trouble, and even violates our own statements to donate directly to the campaign hq only.
Wait a second, why aren't we protected by the 1st amendment on that issue? Typing is speech, and typing a credit card number in a computer harms nobody.
OferNave
11-30-2007, 06:37 AM
It helps if you call family members and people that you know really well. Call them all - most are willing to contribute a least a few dollars to the campaign.
You have a really good point and idea with the $5 donations to increase donor counts, but asking for CC numbers doesn't work for most people, and certainly limit the pool of who you can approach.
Why not just encourage everyone to donate $5 on their own? $5 isn't much money, and if they've been on the sidelines till now, its a gentle way to break them into their first tangible act of support, while driving up new donor numbers.
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 06:42 AM
Please don't ask strangers for credit card information! That is an easy way to get in trouble big time.
I think we should call everyone and urge them to donate and give walk them through the process via the phone. But THEY should be the ones donating and only the CAMPAIGN should have access to their credit card number!
Strangers - what are you talking about?!?
I called my Dad, Mom, grandparents, siblings and close friends - hardly strangers. They were all appreciative that I told them about it and gladly let me send in their donation for them. Like I said, they were going to donate anyway.
This is from them to the campaign - I just assisted them.
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 06:48 AM
This is illegal, and breaks the rules credit card companies have on taking orders. I reported this post; I'm not making any judgment on whether the original poster had good intentions or not, but this would get us in a lot of trouble, and even violates our own statements to donate directly to the campaign hq only.
I'm not sure I follow you. It's not illegal for someone to have your CC info if you give it to them. Obviously, it's up to them to trust you with it. I wouldn't recommend asking anyone who wouldn't already trust you - otherwise it definitely would be awkward.
For instance, my Mom was out of town all day on the 5th and she had no way to donate but she still wanted to when I told her about it. Before I even offered she asked if I could send it in for her. It's the equivalent of mailing a check for someone. Maybe I'm too trusting but I fail to see anything wrong with this. I'm just typing my Mom's info into the HQ donation form so she wouldn't have to.
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 06:53 AM
Why not just encourage everyone to donate $5 on their own? $5 isn't much money, and if they've been on the sidelines till now, its a gentle way to break them into their first tangible act of support, while driving up new donor numbers.
The problem with telling people and leaving it there is that most won't. Even if they like Ron Paul and want to give him money, they're either lazy, busy, or whatever. Sometimes older people don't do it because they are intimidated by computers. There are a lot of reasons. When you offer to do it for them, it's the call to action that they need - it spurs them to go ahead and do it.
BeFranklin
11-30-2007, 07:00 AM
"Federal law regulates the amounts and means by which funds may be legally contributed to a federal election campaign. As such, contributions to the Ron Paul Campaign should be made directly to the official campaign committee through the secure Official Donation Webpage . Those collecting contributions through group activity may be unwittingly running afoul of complex campaign finance regulations or may be deceptively collecting money for other purposes."
This is from the main headquarters. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/get-involved/
Credit card companies also have agreements with people who take credit cards - they charge for that and that is why it also violates their agreements. Please remove this thread.
Avalon
11-30-2007, 07:00 AM
It violates the cardholder agreement but it certainly isn't illegal. This won't get anyone in trouble.
BeFranklin
11-30-2007, 07:05 AM
It violates the cardholder agreement but it certainly isn't illegal. This won't get anyone in trouble.
It violates the cardholder agreement and election laws, and several other things.
If I didn't think the original poster was just being stupid, I'd think it was to intentional set up people for this:
IE
Bank Refunds Money After Fraudulent Donations Made to Ron Paul
FOX News - Nov 21, 2007
SAN ANTONIO — Identity thieves allegedly used debit cards to make fraudulent donations to the presidential campaign of US Rep. Ron Paul. ...
Remember be at your best, and don't violate or damage anything.
troyd1
11-30-2007, 07:07 AM
It is certainly not illegal to help family members or friends donate if they want to.
noztnac
11-30-2007, 07:08 AM
Don't donate $5.
They charge the campaign credit card fees. They almost lose money with these small donations. Don't give less than $20 or so.
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 07:10 AM
"Federal law regulates the amounts and means by which funds may be legally contributed to a federal election campaign. As such, contributions to the Ron Paul Campaign should be made directly to the official campaign committee through the secure Official Donation Webpage . Those collecting contributions through group activity may be unwittingly running afoul of complex campaign finance regulations or may be deceptively collecting money for other purposes."
This is from the main headquarters.
Credit card companies also have agreements with people who take credit cards - they charge for that and that is why it also violates their agreements. Please remove this thread.
I'm somewhat familiar with the campaign finance restrictions but I'm also fairly certain that this is nowhere near illegal, or even improper.
I am not advocating that people accept credit card payments or collect funds in any way. All donations should be send directly to the campaign via their online form or mailing address.
This is analogous to being and your grandparent's house and having them sit next to you at the computer while you enter in their credit card details to order a book at amazon.com. Is that illegal?
BeFranklin
11-30-2007, 07:15 AM
It is certainly not illegal to help family members or friends donate if they want to.
"If you're reading this right now that means you're on a computer - you can become a donation order taker!
Pick up the phone and call anyone you've ever talked with who has been remotely interested in Ron Paul."
From original post.
You guys scare me since you have no qualms in spinning what you just said instead of listening.
I expect more donation fraud today, and negative press linking it to Ron Paul supporters, based on this thread. It is encouraging it.
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 07:20 AM
It violates the cardholder agreement and election laws, and several other things.
If I didn't think the original poster was just being stupid, I'd think it was to intentional set up people for this:
IE
Bank Refunds Money After Fraudulent Donations Made to Ron Paul
FOX News - Nov 21, 2007
SAN ANTONIO — Identity thieves allegedly used debit cards to make fraudulent donations to the presidential campaign of US Rep. Ron Paul. ...
Remember be at your best, and don't violate or damage anything.
Ok, just forget it. I don't mean any ill will toward you for raising the question abut I think we're not connecting, for some reason. I don't see the validity of what you're saying but since this conversation isn't going anywhere I'll just stop talking.
I'm aware of the CC fraud thing that happened last time. That was when people used the site to test stolen card numbers. Obviously, that's without the cardholders consent. :) Hackers make small transactions at donation sites before they rack up large charges at retailers. This doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about.
I'm trying to HELP people who WANT to donate but either can't themselves or need some help to do so. That is all.
Simple, keep them on the phone, and walk them through how to donate on the internet.
The point of this thread is correct however. Make the call, reach out to people, tell them to get involved today.
BeFranklin
11-30-2007, 07:23 AM
Ok, just forget it. I don't mean any ill will toward you for raising the question abut I think we're not connecting, for some reason.
Ok, this: "Pick up the phone and call anyone you've ever talked with who has been remotely interested in Ron Paul."
Please don't call people you are remotely connected to and solicited their credit cards over the phone. That is what I am saying.
TooConservative
11-30-2007, 07:24 AM
This is a little dicey.
You should only help them make a donation in person, like helping them navigate the form to donate online.
BeFranklin
11-30-2007, 07:26 AM
Simple, keep them on the phone, and walk them through how to donate on the internet.
The point of this thread is correct however. Make the call, reach out to people, tell them to get involved today.
The point of this thread was certainly not that, or I wouldn't have objected to it. Please don't call people up remotely interested in Ron Paul and ask for their credit card on the phone. You don't need to be a "donation order center", just ask them to donate to the main hq.
The point of this thread was certainly not that, or I wouldn't have objected to it.
I never said it was, or that you objected to it.
Please don't call people up remotely interested in Ron Paul and ask for their credit card on the phone. You don't need to be a "donation order center", just ask them to donate to the main hq.
Ok, you've made your point. There is no need to strangle the life from this thread.
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 07:33 AM
"If you're reading this right now that means you're on a computer - you can become a donation order taker!
Pick up the phone and call anyone you've ever talked with who has been remotely interested in Ron Paul."
From original post.
You guys scare me since you have no qualms in spinning what you just said instead of listening.
I expect more donation fraud today, and negative press linking it to Ron Paul supporters, based on this thread. It is encouraging it.
I neglected to say that not everyone I talked to (not even the majority) on the phone gave me their credit card number. Most of the friends I called donated themselves. When they did give me their number, they also gave me their permission to type it in - they were on the other end of the phone line.
I'm on the phone a lot since that's the tool I use for work - about 7 hours a day on average. I also have a lot of experience with online commerce since I've worked for two online retailers in the past. So I know what is appropriate and what is not.
With respect to your opinions, me helping my family members and friends is hardly inciting people to commit wire fraud. I still don't get how that connection is being made.
My apologies if my poor choice of words left the wrong impression - I can see how that could have happened. It's a difference of opinion and I respect that. I'm the guy who buys crap for my family online all the time so I guess we just have different perspectives.
The intention of the post was to say that I think it's really effective to call people on a day like today and encourage them to donate.
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 07:38 AM
Ok, this: "Pick up the phone and call anyone you've ever talked with who has been remotely interested in Ron Paul."
Please don't call people you are remotely connected to and solicited their credit cards over the phone. That is what I am saying.
Yes, I agree completely. In saying that, what I intended to convey is this:
I talk to people all the time. Many times, the subject of Ron Paul comes up. :) The people who become interested usually say something along the lines of "yeah, I would consider donating to him at some point."
What I'm saying is today is the day to connect with those people. For the folks that I know really, really well - I offer to send they payment in for them if they're on the phone. Personally, I see no difference in that compared with being physically with them but people can differ on that.
Sevryn45
11-30-2007, 07:38 AM
If you're reading this right now that means you're on a computer - you can become a donation order taker!
Seriously sir are you ok? Is there anyhting wrong with you? Why not just tell them to donate at the official website instead of scheming and getting hold of people's credit card info.
GRAND IDEA
No wait.... It's not
davidhperry
11-30-2007, 07:45 AM
Seriously sir are you ok? Is there anyhting wrong with you? Why not just tell them to donate at the official website instead of scheming and getting hold of people's credit card info.
GRAND IDEA
No wait.... It's not
You're so lame - that's not what I'm saying at all.
I have the ronpaul2008.com/donate page up on my browser, mkay? Then, my Mom says "please donate to Ron Paul for me, here is my number..." Then.... Wait for it.... I TYPE her number into the form on the HQ site. OMG!!!!!!111 Oh, the horror!! How is this even possible?!?!??!?
Seriously folks. That's what I'm talking about people. What is so hard to comprehend?
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