EBT fallout

[tod evans]

Artificial markets anyone?




From Drudge;

Food prices soar as incomes stand still

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/food-prices-soar-as-incomes-stand-still/

NEW YORK - Writer Jen Singer, the mother of two teenage boys, wrestles with her grocery list every week to keep the household budget from getting away from her.

"I'd like the government to stop by my house, come food shopping with me and see where the real costs are," she said.

The adage "An apple a day keeps the doctor away" is impossible thanks to apple prices, she said.

"We go through one of these every few days," she said, holding a loaf of bread. "It's a big part of my take home pay."

It's is not her imagination. While the government says prices are up 6.4 percent since 2011, chicken is up 18.4 percent, ground beef is up 16.8 percent and bacon has skyrocketed up 22.8 percent, making it a holiday when it's on sale.
"Oh my god!" Singer said as she spied bacon for $3.

"The things that are going up in price are the things I absolutely need to buy," she said. "It's the meat, it's the milk, it's the eggs and it's getting out of hand."

ConvergEx market strategist, Nick Colas, said that mothers could tell the government a lot about inflation.

"Food inflation is far greater than the government thinks it is," he said.

But the big problem for families: Wages are not budging.

"If my income isn't going up, how am I going to keep up with inflation?" Singer asked.

Wages are not budging as prices rise CBS NEWS

Median income is up only 1 percent a year. For Singer, that makes it hard to save for college tuition - which has been rising 6 percent to 8 percent every year for five decades.

"The price of college is terrifying and so we're looking at cheaper schools or scholarships, I hope," she said. "You know, 'Run faster in track.' That will really help me out a lot."

Many are concerned that while economists paint a benign picture, middle-class families are quietly struggling.

"The disconnect is severe, because it's the economists that make policy but it's the people who have to live with the outcome of that policy and that disconnect is growing to the point where I think it has to break soon," Colas said.

To economize, Singer keeps the heat down in the house.

"We might as well wear a parka around here because it is the only way I can save money on heating," she said.

As the costs go higher and the budget battle continues, every now and then she finds something at a great price.

[EBounding]

But has she checked the value of her house? It looks pretty nice and I'll bet it's re-inflated. If she could sell a piece of her house she'll be able to buy bread for a year!

[Acala]

Banks are doing well, so stfu.

[Suzanimal]

Food prices have gone up dramatically. I started keeping a price book years ago and can see the steady increase in food prices. I don't really buy too many processed foods so I'm not sure about those but the price of meats, fruits, veg and dairy have most certainly skyrocketed.


Pet Peeve:
I noticed (in the video at the link) the woman was complaining about her grocery budget but she bought a huge thing of Bounty paper towels. Um, buy the food lady and use a dish rag. I have an unnatural hatred for paper towels.

[angelatc]

I have an unnatural hatred for paper towels.Soul sister! Me too! I use rags made from old clothes (usually socks and t-shirts) to clean with. I can't believe how expensive they are, and they're made just to be thrown away?

I will admit that when the power went out for a week I bought a roll, but that was almost 2 months ago and it's still sitting there, largely unused.

[UtahApocalypse]

People just don't get it.

Rather then addressing the why food prices are going up they want the government to hand over more money.

[Czolgosz]

Take my money, please! She shouldn't have to live like this!

[pcosmar]

Until everyone is on Rations.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mEUle6uwKAs/SNLuSgV1arI/AAAAAAAABD8/nWZZksed3lA/s320/comp_6.jpg

[moostraks]

Food prices have gone up dramatically. I started keeping a price book years ago and can see the steady increase in food prices. I don't really buy too many processed foods so I'm not sure about those but the price of meats, fruits, veg and dairy have most certainly skyrocketed.


Pet Peeve:
I noticed (in the video at the link) the woman was complaining about her grocery budget but she bought a huge thing of Bounty paper towels. Um, buy the food lady and use a dish rag. I have an unnatural hatred for paper towels.

:) Don't be sending me dirty looks when you see my cart. I have old dogs and use paper towels to clean up after their accidents. Sorry but not going to do that with rags. Bad enough when they have an accident on their bedding and it goes through my washer along with a cleaning cycle.

[squarepusher]

nothing pisses me off more than seeing poor people eat.

[tod evans]

nothing pisses me off more than seeing poor people eat.

It pisses me off knowing that government has created a completely artificial food market, between the EBT cards and farm subsidies there's no telling what the market will bear.

[ZENemy]

I buy pretty much the same exact food each week. During 2010 my weekly bill was an average of $63.50.

In 2013 my average bill is $95.67.

I buy:
bananas
potatoes
rice
fruit juices
pasta sauce and pastas
canned soup.

[oyarde]

I buy pretty much the same exact food each week. During 2010 my weekly bill was an average of $63.50.

In 2013 my average bill is $95.67.

I buy:
bananas
potatoes
rice
fruit juices
pasta sauce and pastas
canned soup.I grow potatoes , I would shudder if I spent $100 a week on that list . I probably spend $100 a month.

[oyarde]

I probably spent about $59 the past two weeks , 2 1/4 lbs bacon , couple packages of smoked sausage , a beef pot roast, a beef rib roast , dozen chicken legs, a whole pork loin, couple of over a pound hunks of flat iron steak .About all of it is still in the freezer .My electric bill is probably that much for two weeks.

[heavenlyboy34]

I must be old-fashioned or something. When food prices went up at my store, I just started buying cheaper food-generally canned or unprepared stuff I cook myself. The prices on that stuff hasn't gone up much. The frozen dinners and such are way too high. A favorite of mine-chicken marsella-is now twice what it cost ~2008. :eek: One of the first things I stopped buying.

[oyarde]

People just don't get it.

Rather then addressing the why food prices are going up they want the government to hand over more money.
That is true , the people getting the handout want more . That is not changing .

[heavenlyboy34]

I probably spent about $59 the past two weeks , 2 1/4 lbs bacon , couple packages of smoked sausage , a beef pot roast, a beef rib roast , dozen chicken legs, a whole pork loin, couple of over a pound hunks of flat iron steak .About all of it is still in the freezer .My electric bill is probably that much for two weeks.
What about fruits/veggies? Man cannot live on meat alone, after all.

[oyarde]

What about fruits/veggies? Man cannot live on meat alone, after all.

Those are all in the pantry , I grew them last summer .

[oyarde]

That frees up money for more important things , like ammo , coffee , beer ,LOL

[pcosmar]

It pisses me off knowing that government has created a completely artificial food market, between the EBT cards and farm subsidies there's no telling what the market will bear.

http://www.lavenderandlovage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/ration_book_ww2.jpg

http://fulton.nygenweb.net/images/military/gasration.jpg

http://faculty.isi.org/media/images/catalog/originals/World_War_II_Domestic_Price_Controls.gif

[jbauer]

On Beck this morning they were saying we'd soon hear a push for "universal food coverage". Food to expensive, put the government in charge!!!

They control your healthcare, property rights and soon to be "food rights". Go Amerika.

[Carson]

So ETB you say?

[kathy88]

It's is not her imagination. While the government says prices are up 6.4 percent since 2011, chicken is up 18.4 percent, ground beef is up 16.8 percent and bacon has skyrocketed up 22.8 percent, making it a holiday when it's on sale.
"Oh my god!" Singer said as she spied bacon for $3.

I would buy a cart full.

[donnay]

On Beck this morning they were saying we'd soon hear a push for "universal food coverage". Food to expensive, put the government in charge!!!

They control your healthcare, property rights and soon to be "food rights". Go Amerika.


Kissinger said this in 1974:

"Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people."

This has been the agenda for a very long time. Then the people will be forced to eat GMO's. The Biotechs and government work hand-in-hand.

[pcosmar]

I would buy a cart full.

http://www.library.vanderbilt.edu/speccol/exhibits/ww2/homefront/ration2.jpg

http://blackgirlsguidetoweightloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/rationing.jpg

[oyarde]

I would buy a cart full.

My regular place had it , @ 12 oz pkg $1.98 as a regular price a year ago , it is $3 now and still cheaper than anything else I see . I loaded up on the $1.98 and still do on the $3 , because it will only go up .

[pcosmar]

Remember History.

The future is coming.

http://www.unrefugees.org.au/media/1741390/food%20ration%20card%20at%20a%20distribution%20cen tre%20in%20the%20rwamwanja%20settlement%20in%20kam wenge%20district%20uganda.jpg

[Carson]

Catching Wild Pigs - A Parable on Socialism

There was a chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab, the Prof noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.

The professor asked the young man what was the matter.

The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist regime.

In the midst of his story, he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked: “Do you know how to catch wild pigs?”

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said that it was no joke.

“You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.

When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence.

They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side.

The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat that free corn again.

You then slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom.

They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught.

Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.”

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America.

The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time.

One should always remember two truths:

1) There is no such thing as a free lunch, someone is paying for it

2) and when you begin to think that having your government provide for you and make your decisions is ok, realize that you’ve also given up the freedom that goes with making your own choices.



Ripped off from here;

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?24198-Catching-Wild-Pigs-A-Parable-on-Socialism

[thoughtomator]

The drought in California has no small impact on food prices as well. There's a LOT of our food that comes exclusively from that state or close to it.

[Zippyjuan]

The drought in California has no small impact on food prices as well. There's a LOT of our food that comes exclusively from that state or close to it.

The impact of the California drought hasn't hit food prices yet- it won't until probably the fall at the earliest (when this year's crops come or don't come to market). A lot of what we are seeing is due to last summer's heat waves in the Southern and Plains states. Dairy farmers are just starting to sell off some cows because it costs too much (and supplies are too limited) to give them water. Feed storage for animals has been getting used up in the state so they are having to import more hay from other states to feed them (winter crops not enough this year). That will temporarily lower prices on beef as more cows are sold to slaughter but will reduce milk supplies later on so dairy prices will go up.

[Barrex]

Food for poor:
-meat once a week (one schnitzel per person);
-bag of potatoes;
-bag of rice;
-bag of flour (it is cheaper to make your own bread than to buy it);
-bag of cabbage;
BIG NO to: canned soup (make your own-it is cheaper) , sodas, sweets (home made chocolate... I miss it...not a big fan of chocolate at all.), expensive sauces etc.
Maybe it sounds arrogant and heartless but that is how most families survive during war or hard times if there is no "almighty government" to come and save the day. Sometimes it looks to me that people forgot how to spend their money on food and other products.

Expensive fresh fruit and vegetables prices are a problem. I cant understand how can bananas be cheaper than apples (in Croatia). Apple trees can be seen on every corner (so to speak) and bananas must be imported from another continent ffs. Part of the problem is that most of it is thrown away. If it starts to spoil it is thrown away. Only "perfect" fruits are sold; no spots, no soft parts. When you add the fact that most people have no access or dont know how to or where to buy local "less perfect" and cheaper fruits and vegetables and that governments try to stop farmers from selling their product directly you get this situation. But I see people "waking up". I have seen people planting their own food on any land they can find. I have seen it here in EU and in reportings about Detroit.

PRESIDENT COMACHO: Shit! I know shit's fucked up right now with all that starving bullshit, and all the dust storms, and we're running out of French fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution!
SOUTH CAROLINA REPRESENTATIVE: That's what you said last time, dipshit.

[Suzanimal]

Soul sister! Me too! I use rags made from old clothes (usually socks and t-shirts) to clean with. I can't believe how expensive they are, and they're made just to be thrown away?

I will admit that when the power went out for a week I bought a roll, but that was almost 2 months ago and it's still sitting there, largely unused.

I know, right...It also makes cleaning day more interesting, my boys don't seem to mind washing the baseboards when they're using old underwear.:rolleyes:


:) Don't be sending me dirty looks when you see my cart. I have old dogs and use paper towels to clean up after their accidents. Sorry but not going to do that with rags. Bad enough when they have an accident on their bedding and it goes through my washer along with a cleaning cycle.

Nah, I'm a nice girl, I save the stink eye for the truly heinous.;) I only wash the kitchen rags and napkins, anything used for cleaning just goes in the garbage.

[heavenlyboy34]

Food for poor:
-meat once a week (one schnitzel per person);
-bag of potatoes;
-bag of rice;
-bag of flour (it is cheaper to make your own bread than to buy it);
-bag of cabbage;
BIG NO to: canned soup (make your own-it is cheaper) , sodas, sweets (home made chocolate... I miss it...not a big fan of chocolate at all.), expensive sauces etc.
Maybe it sounds arrogant and heartless but that is how most families survive during war or hard times if there is no "almighty government" to come and save the day. Sometimes it looks to me that people forgot how to spend their money on food and other products.

Expensive fresh fruit and vegetables prices are a problem. I cant understand how can bananas be cheaper than apples (in Croatia). Apple trees can be seen on every corner (so to speak) and bananas must be imported from another continent ffs. Part of the problem is that most of it is thrown away. If it starts to spoil it is thrown away. Only "perfect" fruits are sold; no spots, no soft parts. When you add the fact that most people have no access or dont know how to or where to buy local "less perfect" and cheaper fruits and vegetables and that governments try to stop farmers from selling their product directly you get this situation. But I see people "waking up". I have seen people planting their own food on any land they can find. I have seen it here in EU and in reportings about Detroit.

PRESIDENT COMACHO: Shit! I know shit's fucked up right now with all that starving bullshit, and all the dust storms, and we're running out of French fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution!
SOUTH CAROLINA REPRESENTATIVE: That's what you said last time, dipshit.
What about yeast, comrade? I don't see it on your list... :confused:

[Barrex]

What about yeast, comrade? I don't see it on your list... :confused:

It is not conclusive list buddy. Point is you dont buy taco tortilla if you can make it on your own at 1/20th of the price in stores...I see poor people acting like rich/irresponsible people. I know that situation is bad and all but it doesnt mean they shouldnt use common sense.

[KCIndy]

What about yeast, comrade? I don't see it on your list... :confused:

Flatbread. Baked correctly, it can also be used for roofing shingles.

Leaven bread is for sissies.






;) ;)

[aGameOfThrones]

In 2012 Pork loins at costco cost me $10, currently the same weight cost between $15 to $17.

[heavenlyboy34]

Flatbread. Baked correctly, it can also be used for roofing shingles.

Leaven bread is for sissies.






;) ;)

lulz ;)

[angelatc]

Nah, I'm a nice girl, I save the stink eye for the truly heinous.;) I only wash the kitchen rags and napkins, anything used for cleaning just goes in the garbage.

Me too. I wash most of my rags, but when there's an exceptionally disgusting animal mess involved, I just throw it all away.

When my son moved out, I packed a big bag of rags for him. Poor working stiffs don't need to be wasting money on paper towels!

[LibForestPaul]

I must be old-fashioned or something. When food prices went up at my store, I just started buying cheaper food-generally canned or unprepared stuff I cook myself. The prices on that stuff hasn't gone up much. The frozen dinners and such are way too high. A favorite of mine-chicken marsella-is now twice what it cost ~2008. :eek: One of the first things I stopped buying.

You b@st@rd this is why the CPI hardly ever moves.:D Just borrow a little and buy some steak already.

[jbauer]

The impact of the California drought hasn't hit food prices yet- it won't until probably the fall at the earliest (when this year's crops come or don't come to market). A lot of what we are seeing is due to last summer's heat waves in the Southern and Plains states. Dairy farmers are just starting to sell off some cows because it costs too much (and supplies are too limited) to give them water. Feed storage for animals has been getting used up in the state so they are having to import more hay from other states to feed them (winter crops not enough this year). That will temporarily lower prices on beef as more cows are sold to slaughter but will reduce milk supplies later on so dairy prices will go up.

That's the least of the problems in dairy. The Chinese and their neighbors are in extreme drought and have been sucking the stable milk products dry. (Cheese butter etc). We'll feel that crunch in a couple months.

[jbauer]

In 2012 Pork loins at costco cost me $10, currently the same weight cost between $15 to $17.

That's what happens when we have two rough years in a row with asinine idea that every acre should be in corn. The price of soybean meal is sky high. Hogs need a lot of protein. Cattle farmers can't find hay. The Midwest had a really late frost that killed off a ton of the little bit of alfalfa still being grown.

All in. This food pinch is going to be going on for awhile.

[jbauer]

It is not conclusive list buddy. Point is you dont buy taco tortilla if you can make it on your own at 1/20th of the price in stores...I see poor people acting like rich/irresponsible people. I know that situation is bad and all but it doesnt mean they shouldnt use common sense.

Americans don't know how to do any of that. Americans by and large have never experienced hunger. The folks that grew up in the depression and ww2 are mostly dead. Slowly were getting back there though. There's a tremendous push to learn from our forefathers.

[GunnyFreedom]

I buy pretty much the same exact food each week. During 2010 my weekly bill was an average of $63.50.

In 2013 my average bill is $95.67.

I buy:
bananas
potatoes
rice
fruit juices
pasta sauce and pastas
canned soup.

^^^ This is a distortion. It is artificial, and caused by atrocious policy. TWIMC: Just because people around here are pissed off that these free-market damaging distortions exist (and are possibly engineered) it doesn't make anybody around here a food commie.

[oyarde]

nothing pisses me off more than seeing poor people eat.

There is a place for that , hard work and then local charity fills the gaps . Theft from others who have the same needs to pay for it is unacceptable . The govt in its current form is also unacceptable .

[oyarde]

The fact that Caly has never been smart enough to de salinate water will have no effect on me . I do not buy anything from there .....

[ZENemy]

I grow potatoes , I would shudder if I spent $100 a week on that list . I probably spend $100 a month.

I know! :(

to be fair, I buy about 20LBS of bananas, so its not just a few bundles :).

I need to grow my own potatoes! I eat around 1500 potatoes based calories per day.

[Zippyjuan]

The fact that Caly has never been smart enough to de salinate water will have no effect t on me . I do not buy anything from there .....
I agree with the need to desalinate. Why hasn't it happened? It costs at least twice as much as current sources.

[Zippyjuan]

I know! :(

to be fair, I buy about 20LBS of bananas, so its not just a few bundles :).

I need to grow my own potatoes! I eat around 1500 potatoes based calories per day.

Given that they only last about a week or so that is a lot of bananas!

[Schifference]

Yeast is expensive to buy. Home made yeast is easy to make.

[oyarde]

In 2012 Pork loins at costco cost me $10, currently the same weight cost between $15 to $17.

I bought one for about $8.60 at the local butcher last week , it was one of the specials.

[ZENemy]

Given that they only last about a week or so that is a lot of bananas!



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[pcosmar]

I agree with the need to desalinate. Why hasn't it happened? It costs at least twice as much as current sources.

Which is not nearly enough to meet the demand. If current sources were sufficient,, there would be no shortage.

uh,,Duh!