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aGameOfThrones
02-14-2014, 12:38 AM
Gay rights advocates are outraged over a bill — passed by Kansas lawmakers earlier this week — that would allow businesses and state government employees to deny services to same-sex couples if “it would be contrary to their sincerely held religious beliefs.”

The bill — H.B. 2453 — passed the GOP-led House in a 72 to 49 vote on Wednesday and now heads to the Republican-controlled state Senate. If it succeeds there, it could then be signed into law by Republican Gov. Sam Brownback.

Supporters say the legislation would protect business owners and state employees who don't agree with gay marriage from potential discrimination lawsuits.

“Discrimination is horrible. It’s hurtful," GOP Rep. Charles Macheers said during a debate on the house floor. "It has no place in civilized society, and that’s precisely why we’re moving this bill.

The law, Macheers said, would put Kansas "on the right side" of history.

"There have been times throughout history where people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs because they were unpopular," he said. "This bill provides a shield of protection for that.”

"Same-sex marriage advocates have increasingly treated people who believe in traditional marriage as the legal equivalent of bigots and even racists,” Frank Schubert, political director for the National Organization for Marriage, told Time earlier this week. “They brook no disagreement with their ideology and they tolerate no dissent. Therefore legislation like this in Kansas becomes necessary to assure that people are not forced to personally be part of something they cannot in good conscience support."

But critics say the proposed bill would, in effect, segregate same-sex couples and legalize anti-gay discrimination.

“Every single rural county in this state has same-sex couples," Thomas Witt, spokesman for Equality Kansas, told the Wichita Eagle. "Government officials in those counties are going to be able to turn them away from services that they deserve as taxpayers."

“I do not believe it is ever on the right side of history to be allowed to discriminate against people," Rep. Barbara Bollier, a Republican who voted against the bill, said after Wednesday's vote.

Other critics were more pointed in their criticism.

"Kansas’ anti-gay segregation bill is an abomination," Mark Joseph Stern wrote on Slate:


Any government employee is given explicit permission to discriminate against gay couples — not just county clerks and DMV employees, but literally anyone who works for the state of Kansas. If a gay couple calls the police, an officer may refuse to help them if interacting with a gay couple violates his religious principles. State hospitals can turn away gay couples at the door and deny them treatment with impunity. Gay couples can be banned from public parks, public pools, anything that operates under the aegis of the Kansas state government. ... As long as an individual believes that his service is somehow linked to a gay union of any form, he can legally refuse his services. And since anyone who denies gays service is completely shielded from any charges, no one will ever have to prove that their particular form of discrimination fell within the four corners of the law.

http://news.yahoo.com/kansas-bill-gay-same-sex-segregation-210533466.html



Cop note: LOL Principles. Like they need another excuse.

Christian Liberty
02-14-2014, 12:42 AM
“I do not believe it is ever on the right side of history to be allowed to discriminate against people," Rep. Barbara Bollier, a Republican who voted against the bill, said after Wednesday's vote.

What an idiot. That is precisely what the whole "freedom" thing is all about. People being "allowed" (I hate that word) to do peaceful things that you find repulsive. Personally, I find the idea that anyone would want to "marry" another guy to be far more repulsive than discrimination against those who make such repulsive choices, but in a free society, that's your choice to make.

Paulbot99
02-18-2014, 03:36 PM
Agreed. I am stupefied by the sheer amount of people who think anyone has the right to someone else's property or services.

eduardo89
02-18-2014, 03:38 PM
It's sad that a legislature even has to contemplate a bill like this...

VoluntaryAmerican
02-18-2014, 03:49 PM
Agreed. I am stupefied by the sheer amount of people who think anyone has the right to someone else's property or services.

Really? That's what the U.S. was founded on.

Lucille
02-18-2014, 03:58 PM
Kansas lawmakers retreat from religious liberty bill
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/kansas-gop-retreats-controversial-bill


In a surprising move, the Kansas state Senate Republican leadership announced on Friday that it was killing – at least, in its current form – a controversial religious liberty measure, harpooned for opening the door to broad anti-gay discrimination.

House Bill 2453, as drafted and passed by the Republican-controlled state House of Representatives this week, would give any individual, business, group, or government official the right to deny same-sex couples a host of basic goods, services, benefits, or employment – on the grounds of a conflicting “sincerely held religious belief.” Lawmakers in the state House approved the measure on Wednesday by a vote of 72-49.

The bill was widely expected to pass the state Senate, too, as Republicans outnumber Democrats 32-8 in that chamber. But Republican state Sen. Susan Wagle, the Senate’s president, poured cold water on its prospects Thursday night when she released a statement saying that a majority of her caucus opposed the bill’s potential green light to discriminate. On Friday, she reaffirmed that position...

phill4paul
02-18-2014, 04:04 PM
I have no problem with individuals or businesses doing what they want. But if you are sucking from the government teat than you better just STFU and do your job. The person you are talking to, regardless of their sexual orientation, is paying your bills.

Paulbot99
02-18-2014, 04:05 PM
I have no problem with individuals or businesses doing what they want. But if you are sucking from the government teat than you better just STF and do your job. The person you are talking to, regardless of their sexual orientation, is paying your bills.

Also, agreed. That is one of the chief differences between public and private jobs.

Christian Liberty
02-18-2014, 04:21 PM
I have no problem with individuals or businesses doing what they want. But if you are sucking from the government teat than you better just STFU and do your job. The person you are talking to, regardless of their sexual orientation, is paying your bills.

OK, we need to define "sucking from the government teat" here...

If you mean actually working for the government, I'm with you, with the caveat that if its possible to have a different employee handle the customer instead without any real harm to anything, I see no issue with doing that.

On the other hand, pretty much everyone indirectly takes something from the government. Just because you happen to get money from the government does not give them a right to enslave you.

phill4paul
02-18-2014, 04:25 PM
OK, we need to define "sucking from the government teat" here...

If you mean actually working for the government, I'm with you, with the caveat that if its possible to have a different employee handle the customer instead without any real harm to anything, I see no issue with doing that.

On the other hand, pretty much everyone indirectly takes something from the government. Just because you happen to get money from the government does not give them a right to enslave you.

Well, I was originally referencing government employees. However, now that you mention it, I would include any company that gets government subsidies. If even 1/100000000 of a penny comes out of an individuals pocket and ends up in yours then you need treat them equally and with respect.

Christian Liberty
02-18-2014, 04:37 PM
Well, I was originally referencing government employees. However, now that you mention it, I would include any company that gets government subsidies. If even 1/100000000 of a penny comes out of an individuals pocket and ends up in yours then you need treat them equally and with respect.

OK, so I take financial aid, does that give you a right to send me to court if I disrespect a gay person?

Tywysog Cymru
02-18-2014, 04:41 PM
I'd like to read the text of the Bill.

69360
02-18-2014, 05:55 PM
Individuals should be able to discriminate for any reason they want to.

Governments should never discriminate.

How hard is that concept to grasp?

phill4paul
02-18-2014, 06:59 PM
OK, so I take financial aid, does that give you a right to send me to court if I disrespect a gay person?

Quit being the recipient of gays money if you have an issue with it.