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muzzled dogg
02-06-2014, 10:17 PM
Towns Say 'No Tanks' to Militarized Police
Growing Unease Over Departments' Use Of Vehicles and Gear Designed for Battle
By JENNIFER LEVITZ CONNECT
Updated Feb. 6, 2014 8:40 p.m. ET

Residents in some towns have begun standing up to the large armored vehicles that local police departments are receiving from the federal government.

Six-figure grants from the Department of Homeland Security have been funding BearCats and other heavily fortified vehicles in towns and cities nationwide since soon after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Beginning last summer, the government also has handed out 200 surplus vehicles built to withstand mines and bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is considering requests from 750 more communities.

Most police and citizens welcome the extra protection, saying recent mass shootings show any local force could find itself facing an extremely violent or dangerous situation. But antipathy has grown in some pockets of the country—from New York to Ohio to California—which see the machines as symbols of government waste and a militarization of law enforcement, including the growth of SWAT teams and high-tech gadgets in recent decades.

In libertarian-leaning New Hampshire, a state lawmaker just introduced a bill that would ban municipalities from accepting military-style vehicles without approval from voters. That came in response to the Concord City Council's vote in the fall to accept a $258,000 federal grant to buy a BearCat, despite intense opposition from citizens who submitted a 1,500-signature petition and rallied outside City Hall holding signs that said, "More Mayberry, Less Fallujah" and "Thanks But No Tanks!"

"This seems over the top and unnecessary to have this level of armament," said the bill's sponsor, Republican state Rep. J.R. Hoell. He said police in 11 communities in New Hampshire now have armored vehicles.

The Facebook page of the Salinas, Calif., police department drew torrents of complaints after the force recently got an armored vehicle from the military surplus program. "When did Salinas turn into a battlefield?" a citizen wrote in December. "I feel the Constitution shredding under my feet."

Peter Kraska, a professor in the School of Justice Studies at Eastern Kentucky University, believes recent revelations about federal surveillance programs are helping drive the discomfort with outfitting police departments like the military. The armored vehicles are "a pretty visual example of overreach," he said. He also noted that the passage of time since the 2001 attacks may have eased worries about terrorist events.

Defense Department spokesman Mark Wright countered that the armored vehicles help not only in active-shooter situations but in natural disasters. He said there has been "vigorous interest" from local police in the 11,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) trucks that the Pentagon is giving away in the U.S. The trucks cost between $400,000 and $700,000 new and are free to communities, though local police have to pay to transport the vehicles and to maintain them so they will be ready whenever they are needed.

DHS allocated nearly $1 billion for grants to states and local governments in fiscal year 2013 to protect against potential terrorist attacks, with $6 million going to armored vehicles, the most recent figures available for spending on the vehicles. The overall grant program has drawn criticism from federal budget hawks.

In 2012, Sen. Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) complained that more than $35 billion had been spent since 2003, some of it on "questionable items." He specifically criticized "tank-like" BearCats for local police, noting that the grant application from one small New Hampshire town cited "protecting the town's annual pumpkin festival" as a reason why the armored truck was needed.

Lenco Armored Vehicles., the Pittsfield, Mass., maker of the BearCat, the armored vehicle most popular with law enforcement, distributes about 100 of them a year to local police departments, many of them federal-grant recipients, said Lenco President Len Light. Typically, police visit the company to learn the technical aspects of the vehicles, which are mostly used by specialized tactical teams.

He said police officials want the vehicles in part because they know they will face questions if they are unprepared for a major event. "They're in a rough spot," he said.

Amid tough competition for federal grants, some departments are raising money or finding other ways to pay for the BearCats, Mr. Light said. In Southern California, the Simi Valley Police Department put its BearCat to use just two days after it acquired the vehicle with $280,000 in drug-forfeiture funds in December, said Commander Stephanie Shannon.

After an armed suicidal man barricaded himself in a car at a local park, officers used the BearCat to get close to the car and detain the man, she said.

A federal MRAP gift didn't sit well with everyone in upstate New York's Jefferson County. After winning a tense 8-6 vote by county legislators in October, the local sheriff took possession of a 44,000-pound, 14-foot high MRAP that can stop a .50-caliber round. "It's militarizing the police force," said Scott Gray, a Republican county legislator and opponent, who said the issue was the testiest one he could recall in his 13 years in his post.

He believes the presence of the trucks alone could inflame tense situations, and there is a potential for injuries if police rolled the vehicle through a crowd. Mr. Kraska, the Eastern Kentucky professor who follows the debate nationally, said he wasn't aware of any citizens being injured.

Jefferson County Sheriff John Burns said the vehicle hasn't been used, but it gives him some peace of mind. Thirty years ago, he rarely saw standoffs or hostage situations, but they now happen fairly regularly, a trend he attributes to population growth. "I agree it's big, it's intimidating, but again, it's going to save lives," he predicted.

Write to Jennifer Levitz at jennifer.levitz@wsj.com

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304450904579366963588434656

satchelmcqueen
02-06-2014, 10:29 PM
butt i is safe!

Anti Federalist
02-06-2014, 10:50 PM
the Simi Valley Police Department put its BearCat to use just two days after it acquired the vehicle with $280,000 in drug-forfeiture funds in December, said Commander Stephanie Shannon.

Steal the money to tyrannize us.

Keith and stuff
02-06-2014, 10:54 PM
butt i is safe!
So 3 communities in the whole country resisted these, even though 1,000s of communities are being armed with these weapons of war? Wow, 2 of the 3 communities, Keene and Concord, are located in New Hampshire. This NH State Representative just happens to live in a town that borders Concord, New Hampshire. It is almost as if he learned about the evil BEARCATs and their opposition because of all of the news generated in relation to the Concord resistance of this evil killing machine. Call me surprised!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1452334_634568706586379_378325946_n.jpg

Weston White
02-06-2014, 11:24 PM
Say what now: “The trucks cost between $400,000 and $700,000 new and are free to communities . . . complained that more than $35 billion had been spent since 2003.”

So how exactly does that work and shouldn’t BearCat be out of business by now?

Occam's Banana
02-07-2014, 01:38 AM
Say what now: “The trucks cost between $400,000 and $700,000 new and are free to communities . . . complained that more than $35 billion had been spent since 2003.”

So how exactly does that work and shouldn’t BearCat be out of business by now?

The Dept. of Defense buys them new. The military uses them.

At some point, the "used" ones are then given to local police forces for free.

The DoD buys more new ones ...

... and the wheels on the MIC go 'round and 'round ...

Keith and stuff
02-07-2014, 10:11 AM
Say what now: “The trucks cost between $400,000 and $700,000 new and are free to communities . . . complained that more than $35 billion had been spent since 2003.”

So how exactly does that work and shouldn’t BearCat be out of business by now?
The United States Department of Homeland Security has an unlimited budget. Much of it is off the books to... These BEARCATs are mostly hidden from the public. They are typically brought out for training, police appreciation days, fairs and festivals so that the children can see how cool they are and dream of 1 day becoming a police officer so that they too may drive this live saving wonder on wheels!

jkr
02-07-2014, 10:22 AM
#weBconquered

enhanced_deficit
02-07-2014, 10:23 AM
Towns Say 'No Thanks' to Militarized Police.. would have been even better news.

Right Wing
02-08-2014, 05:38 AM
It would be ironic if sheriffs who received Bearcats from the DHS actually used them to defend their respective counties from gun grabs by the federal tyrants.

Keith and stuff
02-09-2014, 04:10 PM
Towns Say 'No Tanks' to Militarized Police
Growing Unease Over Departments' Use Of Vehicles and Gear Designed for Battle
By JENNIFER LEVITZ CONNECT
Updated Feb. 6, 2014 8:40 p.m. ET

In libertarian-leaning New Hampshire, a state lawmaker just introduced a bill that would ban municipalities from accepting military-style vehicles without approval from voters. That came in response to the Concord City Council's vote in the fall to accept a $258,000 federal grant to buy a BearCat, despite intense opposition from citizens who submitted a 1,500-signature petition and rallied outside City Hall holding signs that said, "More Mayberry, Less Fallujah" and "Thanks But No Tanks!"

"This seems over the top and unnecessary to have this level of armament," said the bill's sponsor, Republican state Rep. J.R. Hoell. He said police in 11 communities in New Hampshire now have armored vehicles.

Here's a photo of the article.
https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31/1601975_716424941723996_959214099_o.jpg

Keith and stuff
02-19-2014, 11:17 PM
New Hampshire State Legislator Hopes To Push Back Against Police Militarization With New Bill
by Tim Cushing
Tue, Feb 18th 2014 3:40pm
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140217/12044226252/new-hampshire-state-legislator-hopes-to-push-back-against-police-militarization-with-new-bill.shtml

About half the article is posted here. Click on the above link for the rest. BTW, this NH State Rep. is not a free staters.


The militarization of law enforcement agencies is a worrying development. It's not necessarily new. Law enforcement agencies have been converting police departments into quasi-military outfits for years, most of it spurred on by the over-deployment of SWAT teams to handle basic arrests and take down ever-so-dangerous marijuana users.

The push has become a shove in the last decade or so, as the government has handed out grants to purchase military-grade vehicles and equipment, when not just simply handing over the keys to something like Lenco's BearCat to any PD that requests one.

Not pictured: any logical reason a town of 42,000 should have a bulletproof assault vehicle

A New Hampshire state representative, J.R. Hoell, is trying to push back against this and further separate our military and law enforcement entities.

Enter State Representative J.R. Hoell, a libertarian Republican who represents Dunbarton, NH, just outside of Concord. Hoell recently introduced a bill, the Police Equipment and Community Engagement (PEACE) Act, in the state legislature.

The proposed legislation is now in committee. If it’s passed and signed into law by the governor, state and municipal agencies in New Hampshire will be barred from buying or even accepting free offers of “military style equipment” for police use, except with the approval of the assembled citizenry at a public town meeting.

That prohibition would include not just MRAPS and BearCats, but also things like fully automatic weapons or anything that is not “available in an open commercial market.”

Why is Hoell doing this? Well, it's because the city of Concord recently ignored its own citizens' wishes and allowed its police department to acquire a surplus BearCat.

Concord, NH has a population of 42,000 and has racked up three murders in the last decade. While its crime rates are higher than nearby towns (towns with populations far below Concord's), its rates are much lower than the national average. The Concord PD had a hard time justifying the acquisition of an armored vehicle based on local criminal activity alone. In order to persuade the city council this vehicle was a necessity, it had to conjure up an existential threat composed of anti-government activists.

In its application for the DHS grant to purchase the $258,000 vehicle, Police Chief John Duval listed the following potential threats to the safety of Concord, NH:

Groups such as the Sovereign Citizens, Free Staters and Occupy New Hampshire are active and present daily challenges…

More non-specifically, he added that various "anti-government clusters" also "challenged" the police on a "daily" basis.

When the news leaked out that the Concord PD was seeking an armored dissent-suppression vehicle, the response from the public was overwhelmingly negative. Activists collected 1,500 signatures against the PD's desired vehicle and presented that to the city council. This led to open public meetings in which many people spoke out against the militarization of their local police force, including a very strong speech from a former Marine Corps officer.

Anti Federalist
02-19-2014, 11:27 PM
New Hampshire State Legislator Hopes To Push Back Against Police Militarization With New Bill
by Tim Cushing
Tue, Feb 18th 2014 3:40pm
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140217/12044226252/new-hampshire-state-legislator-hopes-to-push-back-against-police-militarization-with-new-bill.shtml

About half the article is posted here. Click on the above link for the rest. BTW, this NH State Rep. is not a free staters.

Keith, do you have a HB number for this?

Cross posting to my local forums, will call my reps in the morning.

Keith and stuff
02-19-2014, 11:35 PM
Keith, do you have a HB number for this?

Cross posting to my local forums, will call my reps in the morning.

Good question.

HB 1307
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2014/HB1307.html

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/members/wml.aspx

Anti Federalist
02-19-2014, 11:40 PM
Good question.

HB 1307
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2014/HB1307.html

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/house/members/wml.aspx

Thanks!

Keith and stuff
03-03-2014, 11:25 AM
"This seems over the top and unnecessary to have this level of armament," said the bill's sponsor, Republican state Rep. J.R. Hoell. He said police in 11 communities in New Hampshire now have armored vehicles.
JR Hoell's bill is now more important the ever before. The 1,000s of BEARCATs the US Department of Homeland Security if giving to communities is nothing compared to the 13,000 war machines the Army has started to give to communities. These Army war machines cost twice as much as BEARCATs and have been used to kill people. Thank God people have started to fight back in New Hampshire. Hopefully the spirit spreads!

Imagine every town of 3,000 people getting it's own Army!

13,000 Mine-Resistant Armored Vehicles To Be Distributed To Police Depts Around Country
http://weaselzippers.us/177952-13000-mine-resistant-armored-vehicles-to-be-distributed-to-police-around-country/

Watch the video here. http://www.bloomberg.com/video/army-gives-out-500-000-armored-trucks-for-free-yNTShDoVRe2reQ3G3Raqrg.html