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enhanced_deficit

02-06-2014, 12:33 PM

‘Never forget’: Gov. Rick Perry, Sen. Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin pay tribute to Chris Kyle [pic]

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Posted at 3:34 pm on February 2, 2014 by Twitchy Staff
(http://twitchy.com/2014/02/02/never-forget-gov-rick-perry-sen-ted-cruz-and-sarah-palin-pay-tribute-to-chris-kyle-pic/#disqus_thread)
Navy SEAL Chris Kyle died one year ago today. To honor his memory, Texas Gov. Rick Perry lowered state flags to half-staff. Additionally, he tweeted the following picture of Kyle’s grave.
Sen. Ted Cruz also tweeted a tribute.
Sarah Palin tweeted the following and posted a further message on her Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152202042563588).

http://twitchy.com/2014/02/02/never-forget-gov-rick-perry-sen-ted-cruz-and-sarah-palin-pay-tribute-to-chris-kyle-pic/

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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) addresses CUFI’s annual Washington summit on July 22. (CUFI)

Chris Kyle USN Ret
Most lethal sniper in U.S. history

Evil in the Crosshairs

Posted: 01/27/2012 5:34 pm

I looked through the scope of the sniper rifle, scanning down the road of the tiny Iraqi town. Fifty yards away, a woman opened the door of a small house and stepped outside with her child.
The rest of the street was deserted. The local Iraqis had gone inside, most of them scared. A few curious souls peeked out from behind curtains, waiting. They could hear the rumble of the approaching American unit. ..

"Marines are coming," said my chief as the building began to shake. "Keep watching."
I looked through the scope. The only people who were moving were the woman and maybe a child or two nearby.
I watched our troops pull up. Ten young, proud Marines in uniform got out of their vehicles and gathered for a foot patrol. As the Americans organized, the woman took something from beneath her clothes, and yanked at it.
She'd set a grenade. I didn't realize it at first.
"Looks yellow," I told the chief, describing what I saw as he watched himself. "It's yellow, the body--"
"She's got a grenade," said the chief. "That's a Chinese grenade."
"Shit."
"Take a shot."
"But--"
"Shoot. Get the grenade. The Marines--"
I hesitated. Someone was trying to get the Marines on the radio, but we couldn't reach them. They were coming down the street, heading toward the woman.
"Shoot!" said the chief.
I pushed my finger against the trigger. The bullet leapt out. I shot. The grenade dropped. I fired again as the grenade blew up.
It was the first time I'd killed anyone while I was on the sniper rifle. And the first time in Iraq--and the only time--I killed anyone other than a male combatant.
It was my duty to shoot, and I don't regret it. The woman was already dead. I was just making sure she didn't take any Marines with her.
It was clear that not only did she want to kill them, but she didn't care about anybody else nearby who would have been blown up by the grenade or killed in the firefight. Children on the street, people in the houses, maybe her child...
She was too blinded by evil to consider them. She just wanted Americans dead, no matter what.
My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman's twisted soul. I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job. But I truly, deeply hated the evil that woman possessed. I hate it to this day.

Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there.
People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?"
The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kyle-usn-ret/american-sniper_b_1237669.html

Snew

02-06-2014, 03:06 PM

live by the sword, die by the sword.

Christian Liberty

02-06-2014, 03:07 PM

live by the sword, die by the sword.

This was going to be my post as well. Then I saw yours.

Chris Kyle is extremely disgusting because, not only did he go fight in Iraq, he was also proud of it. He said in his biography (I did peek at the intro once) that his only regret was that he didn't kill more "savages." He got a taste of his own medicine.

Snew

02-06-2014, 03:08 PM

This was going to be my post as well. Then I saw yours.

Chris Kyle is extremely disgusting because, not only did he go fight in Iraq, he was also proud of it. He said in his biography (I did peek at the intro once) that his only regret was that he didn't kill more "savages." He got a taste of his own medicine.

I saw that autobiography in the store the other day and proudly flipped it upside down. There's my good deed for the day ;)

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 03:17 PM

You've got quite the Ted Cruz fetish.

Christian Liberty

02-06-2014, 03:38 PM

I saw that autobiography in the store the other day and proudly flipped it upside down. There's my good deed for the day ;)

:)

You've got quite the Ted Cruz fetish.

So do you. Him and Palin.

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 03:39 PM

So do you. Him and Palin.

I like Cruz, but I don't think I've ever even started a thread about him.

With regards to Palin, I love her because she loves liberty and has been fighting for it her entire life. She basically created the Tea Party singlehandedly.

NIU Students for Liberty

02-06-2014, 03:43 PM

http://25.media.tumblr.com/3ff400d1ed92298a280424a7c1040537/tumblr_mgokmbWlrl1rlo1q2o1_500.gif

Christian Liberty

02-06-2014, 03:50 PM

I like Cruz, but I don't think I've ever even started a thread about him.

With regards to Palin, I love her because she loves liberty and has been fighting for it her entire life. She basically created the Tea Party singlehandedly.

I thought Ron Paul created the Tea Party.

As for Palin, at some point I remember her saying that the Iraq War was a "mission from God" or some such. She may have repented of this, but the fact that she said it shows she wasn't fighting for liberty her whole life.

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 03:53 PM

I thought Ron Paul created the Tea Party.

I'm not too fond of revisionist history.

As for Palin, at some point I remember her saying that the Iraq War was a "mission from God" or some such. She may have repented of this, but the fact that she said it shows she wasn't fighting for liberty her whole life.

No, she said to pray for the troops and to pray that the Iraq War was a mission from God...as in pray that they were doing the right thing.

NIU Students for Liberty

02-06-2014, 03:58 PM

No, she said to pray for the troops and to pray that the Iraq War was a mission from God...as in pray that they were doing the right thing.

Yeah because that excuses her support for a war that contradicted the basic tenets of Christianity :rolleyes: By the way, wasn't it Bush who used the "God" excuse when he pushed for that war?

cajuncocoa

02-06-2014, 04:01 PM

cajuncocoa

02-06-2014, 04:03 PM

I'm not too fond of revisionist history.

No, she said to pray for the troops and to pray that the Iraq War was a mission from God...as in pray that they were doing the right thing.
Stop it, you're killing me here!!

http://www.anarchyinthesandbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Taylor-Swift-Laughing-Gif-taylor-swift-30258989-500-245.gif

cajuncocoa

02-06-2014, 04:20 PM

Sarah Palin's message regarding Chris Kyle:

Amidst celebration today on Super Bowl Sunday, please remember prayers for Chris Kyle's family. A year ago today this American hero was senselessly murdered. Chris Kyle and all our brave military men and women protecting our God-given freedom are the real reason for any celebration in this great nation. Chris Kyle was committed to supporting our vets and all American patriots, so in honor of those serving something greater than self, lift one especially for Chris Kyle. He gave all.
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James Madison

02-06-2014, 04:24 PM

Cruz sure would make a great running mate for Rand. Palin for SoS! :rolleyes:

enhanced_deficit

02-06-2014, 04:27 PM

She basically created the Tea Party singlehandedly.

I thought Ron Paul created the Tea Party.

I'm not too fond of revisionist history.

No, she said to pray for the troops and to pray that the Iraq War was a mission from God...as in pray that they were doing the right thing.

Were you joking above?

http://www.ronpaul.com/images/ron-paul-tea-party-2007.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=cm1hHRhj9Af-FM&tbnid=5_S_8Gdg8YzP6M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ronpaul.com%2F2009-04-15%2Fnationwide-tax-protests-party-like-its-2007%2F&ei=2Ar0UtrsNYuksQTY2IHwCg&bvm=bv.60799247,d.b2I&psig=AFQjCNEqQHO2S1AwgMlMIX7kPPkoEAiMxg&ust=1391811648877636) http://targetfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ron-paul-tea-party.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=lom1ihiV4f_baM&tbnid=GMhaNO3s30BxUM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftargetfreedom.com%2Fbooks%2Fwho-started-the-tea-party-movement%2F&ei=Cwv0UumYG4fnsATXgYGACg&bvm=bv.60799247,d.b2I&psig=AFQjCNEqQHO2S1AwgMlMIX7kPPkoEAiMxg&ust=1391811648877636)

Surely various groups/people jumped on Tea Party idea after Ron Paul spearked the fire and many breeds including for-proft Freedomworks, TeaParty-neocon wing etc (organized by Dick Armey, Michelle Bachmann, Palin, Joe the Plumber etc) emerged after smelling the beans but don't knock the history.

Maybe Palin is "coming around" and could be used as fodder in the war for Liberty I suppose if you insisit... but what was Palin doing in 2007 other than praying for following to be "missiom from God"?

Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there.
People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?"
The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-...b_1237669.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kyle-usn-ret/american-sniper_b_1237669.html)

Warlord

02-06-2014, 05:04 PM

bump....

cajuncocoa

02-06-2014, 06:08 PM

Cruz sure would make a great running mate for Rand. Palin for SoS! :rolleyes:That would convince me right there that Rand is all hat and no cattle. Ugh.

AuH20

02-06-2014, 06:14 PM

donnay

02-06-2014, 06:15 PM

anaconda

02-06-2014, 06:15 PM

What a pathetic political panderer Rick Perry is. And furthermore honoring people who do the government's special interest killing for pay, and in defiance of their constitutional oath.

donnay

02-06-2014, 06:20 PM

NIU Students for Liberty

02-06-2014, 06:20 PM

James Madison

02-06-2014, 06:27 PM

That would convince me right there that Rand is all hat and no cattle. Ugh.

Shh. Don't tell that to some of the posters on this board.

Natural Citizen

02-06-2014, 06:28 PM

...she said to pray for the troops and to pray that the Iraq War was a mission from God...as in pray that they were doing the right thing.

Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
And we'll aaaaall staaaaay freeeeee....:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJfJPxLntZU

cajuncocoa

02-06-2014, 06:32 PM

Tea Party Sarah is a Neocon (http://www.infowars.com/tea-party-sarah-is-a-neocon/)

AuH20

02-06-2014, 06:43 PM

Kyle was proud of his murdering people. Sorry it's hard to have any sympathy for a man who prided himself on how many kills he had. Besides he was a liar on top of it all saying he deck Jesse Ventura when he didn't.

It was his job to murder enemy combatants and keep his guys safe. You're conflating national pursuits (mistakes more appropriately) with the micro aspects of war. I would have taken a marksman of Kyle reputation any day to keep my rearend upright in that hellhole. Now as far as his victims or 'his love' for his job, that's between him & God. But as far as I to judge Kyle in a theater of operations as some inhuman, vile creature, I don't think I have that right.

AuH20

02-06-2014, 06:43 PM

He was a murderer who celebrated his murders. There is no fucking middle.

Given the inglorious finality of combat, I'd want the best 'murderer' on MY SIDE watching my back. But that's just me.

enhanced_deficit

02-06-2014, 06:43 PM

Just because Miriam Carey investigation results are being held from public, this striking analogy is in order:

Quote:

Chris Kyle USN Ret
Most lethal sniper in U.S. history
Evil in the Crosshairs

I looked through the scope of the sniper rifle, scanning down the road of the tiny Iraqi town. Fifty yards away, a woman opened the door of a small house and stepped outside with her child.
"Marines are coming," said my chief as the building began to shake. "Keep watching."
I looked through the scope. The only people who were moving were the woman and maybe a child or two nearby.
I watched our troops pull up. Ten young, proud Marines in uniform got out of their vehicles and gathered for a foot patrol. As the Americans organized, the woman took something from beneath her clothes, and yanked at it.
She'd set a grenade. I didn't realize it at first.
"Looks yellow," I told the chief, describing what I saw as he watched himself. "It's yellow, the body--"
"She's got a grenade," said the chief. "That's a Chinese grenade."
"Shit."
"Take a shot."
"But--"
"Shoot. Get the grenade. The Marines--"
I hesitated. Someone was trying to get the Marines on the radio, but we couldn't reach them. They were coming down the street, heading toward the woman.
"Shoot!" said the chief.
I pushed my finger against the trigger. The bullet leapt out. I shot. The grenade dropped. I fired again as the grenade blew up.
It was the first time I'd killed anyone while I was on the sniper rifle. And the first time in Iraq--and the only time--I killed anyone other than a male combatant.
It was my duty to shoot, and I don't regret it. The woman was already dead. I was just making sure she didn't take any Marines with her.
It was clear that not only did she want to kill them, but she didn't care about anybody else nearby who would have been blown up by the grenade or killed in the firefight. Children on the street, people in the houses, maybe her child...
She was too blinded by evil to consider them. She just wanted Americans dead, no matter what.
My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman's twisted soul. I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job. But I truly, deeply hated the evil that woman possessed. I hate it to this day."

----------------

Considering that in the calm and collect of Washington DC, very close to the eyes of elite Washinton DC Secret Service troops and at the footsteps of the deliberative lawmakers offices an unarmed black mother with her baby besides her was seen as immediate threat/shot to death (and her killers received standing ovation from lawmakers for defending Washington)... what are the chances that a gung-ho kill-hungry Chris Kyle (who believed Iraqis resisting foreign invaders were savages/evil) mistook a baby milk bottle or toy in the hand of a mother with her baby besides her as "made in china yellow grenade" from a distance of hundreds of feet in the fog of war in a sandy Iraqi town?

http://img0068.popscreencdn.com/146018613_new-multi-function-baby-feeding-bottle-milk-juice-water-.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=oY1WC33LPLO3_M&tbnid=4uOvdq1QmEV5gM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popscreen.com%2Fp%2FMTU3MjU3N jI5%2FMilk-Bottle-2-Function-Baby-Grow-Bodysuit-Romper-Onesie-Sleeping-Bag-&ei=4i70UpDWC8i0kQeaoIHwBg&bvm=bv.60983673,d.b2I&psig=AFQjCNGGkS0P8cqqIf-J1R6gHqJnSqd92A&ust=1391816302671093)http://media-cache-cd0.pinimg.com/236x/af/f0/e4/aff0e4afe61425dce2edd5549378ffd1.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=Kd53We-ZWejp9M&tbnid=90isCkEqYp959M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fwelkerpatrick %2Fstuffed-animals%2F&ei=gzP0UsihC4zykQfJ-IBQ&bvm=bv.60983673,d.b2I&psig=AFQjCNHXgFaQeHjmUiTJCyRm0HX00rv61Q&ust=1391821945719473)

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DFF

02-06-2014, 06:46 PM

With regards to Palin, I love her because she loves liberty and has been fighting for it her entire life. She basically created the Tea Party singlehandedly

No.

You love her because she's a Zionist whore.

As far as her creating the Tea Party, this is a load of steaming, propagandized shit and you've been around here long enough to know it.

- rep coming...

Natural Citizen

02-06-2014, 06:47 PM

Given the inglorious finality of combat, I'd want the best 'murderer' on MY SIDE watching my back. But that's just me.

And this is the truth. One thing is for sure, the soldier never started a war.

If there is one thing that I really, really detest, it's politicizing soldiers.

AuH20

02-06-2014, 06:48 PM

And this is the truth. One thing is for sure, the soldier never started a war.

Nor are they absolved completely from partaking in it.

donnay

02-06-2014, 06:48 PM

It was his job to murder enemy combatants and keep his guys safe. You're conflating national pursuits (mistakes more appropriately) with the micro aspects of war. I would have taken a marksman of Kyle reputation any day to keep my rearend upright in that hellhole. Now as far as his victims or 'his love' for his job, that's between him & God. But as far as I to judge Kyle in a theater of operations as some inhuman, vile creature, I don't think I have that right.

You know I hear that over and over about it being his job to murder enemy combatants...will you still agree with that when you are designated an enemy combatant under the NDAA?

AuH20

02-06-2014, 06:53 PM

You know I hear that over and over about it being his job to murder enemy combatants...will you still agree with that when you are designated an enemy combatant under the NDAA?

And I will be obligated to reciprocate in kind. But not everyone in uniform is going to succumb to such orders.

kcchiefs6465

02-06-2014, 06:54 PM

http://i.imgur.com/UICYcpB.jpg?1

donnay

02-06-2014, 06:55 PM

And I will be obligated to reciprocate in kind. But not everyone in uniform is going to succumb to such orders.

Again, let's get back to Kyle...he did and that is why I have absolutely no sympathy for him. I have a great deal of respect for Oath Keepers, and lots of veterans are waking up to the empire of lies.

Wolfgang Bohringer

02-06-2014, 07:04 PM

Kyle was proud of his murdering people. Sorry it's hard to have any sympathy for a man who prided himself on how many kills he had. Besides he was a liar on top of it all saying he deck Jesse Ventura when he didn't.

Yeah, maybe his whole book is a lie and he is just another Jessica Lynch pentagram psy-op created to titillate American murder fetishists.

Maybe the script writers limited his tales to the mere shooting of women with grenades with marines approaching because claiming that he had to torture and mutilate kittens to save us from the Mooslims seemed over the top?

AuH20

02-06-2014, 07:04 PM

Again, let's get back to Kyle...he did and that is why I have absolutely no sympathy for him. I have a great deal of respect for Oath Keepers, and lots of veterans are waking up to the empire of lies.

I don't think you should have sympathy for him. He had to know that his job occupation was fraught with risks. I never stated that. I'm just questioning the bile directed towards him as if he's Henry Kissinger.

AuH20

02-06-2014, 07:11 PM

And this is the truth. One thing is for sure, the soldier never started a war.

If there is one thing that I really, really detest, it's politicizing soldiers.

I'm of the mind that politicians shouldn't have control over our armed forces. There is too much potential for malfeasance.

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 07:13 PM

No.

You love her because she's a Zionist whore.

That's no way to speak about a woman. Have some respect. Even if you disagree with her, be a gentleman and don't use words such as whore to describe a woman.

And why would her being a Zionist make me love her? I'm not a Zionist.

As far as her creating the Tea Party, this is a load of steaming, propagandized shit and you've been around here long enough to know it.

- rep coming...

She created the Tea Party as it is now. If the Tea Party has one person who is the most influential person within the movement, it's Sarah Palin.

AuH20

02-06-2014, 07:15 PM

She created the Tea Party as it is now. If the Tea Party has one person who is the most influential person within the movement, it's Sarah Palin.

I think Phil Santelli created the Tea Party.

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 07:17 PM

I think Phil Santelli created the Tea Party.

You mean Rick?

AuH20

02-06-2014, 07:19 PM

You mean Rick?

Rick. Sorry. I keep mixing him up with the radio activist.

enhanced_deficit

02-06-2014, 07:25 PM

Given the inglorious finality of combat, I'd want the best 'murderer' on MY SIDE watching my back. But that's just me.

Even when he/she is part on a shock an awe invasion machinery that attacks a foreign country that did not attack you and used lies as a rationale?

Do you believe in human morality too or being on the side of most violent/deadly game in town is your sole rule of life.

AuH20

02-06-2014, 07:27 PM

Even when he/she is part on a shock an awe invasion machinery that attacks a foreign country that did not attack you and used lies as a rationale?

Wasn't that revealed after the operation?

kcchiefs6465

02-06-2014, 07:30 PM

Shooting first responders is a war crime.

His higher ups ought be charged.

Their higher ups ought be charged.

And the highest ups ought to be charged. With facilitating, participating and covering up war crimes, squandering "the people's" wealth, murder, embezzlement, fraud, racketeering, and countless other crimes. And when I say countless I mean countless. You cannot put a number on them.

kcchiefs6465

02-06-2014, 07:31 PM

Wasn't that revealed after the operation?
And before his book.

AuH20

02-06-2014, 07:31 PM

Even when he/she is part on a shock an awe invasion machinery that attacks a foreign country that did not attack you and used lies as a rationale?

Do you believe in human morality too or being on the side of most violent/deadly game in town is your sole rule of life.

I believe in human morality but if I'm thrown into a gladiatorial pit like the Middle East, I'm going to do all in my power to survive, aside from killing women and children.

DFF

02-06-2014, 07:34 PM

And why would her being a Zionist make me love her? I'm not a Zionist

Walks like a Zionist Neocon, quacks like a Zionist Neocon...

enhanced_deficit

02-06-2014, 07:36 PM

Wasn't that revealed after the operation?

Informed and honest people knew that even before the invasion.

But look at the date of his rticle, he believed the same and published those words almost 10 years after his 'Kills', that can only be result of some very serious/durable brainwashing/blood thirst.

Chris Kyle USN Ret
Most lethal sniper in U.S. history

Evil in the Crosshairs
Posted: 01/27/2012 5:34 pm
Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. ..
The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more.

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 07:37 PM

Walks like a Zionist Neocon, quacks like a Zionist Neocon...

So now I'm not just a zionist, I'm also a neoconservative?

enhanced_deficit

02-06-2014, 07:51 PM

So now I'm not just a zionist, I'm also a neoconservative?

Instead of investing this time on speculative Q&A, why not use same energy to just let others know where you stand on issues.

Do you praise /condemn or take no stance on:

- Ted Cruz's support for sanction on iran and spreading war fever in general
-Ted Cruz support for CUFI/John Hagee, US tax payers funded foreign occupations, invasion of Syria/Iran, Police State at home?
- Palin/Rick's support for Iraq war, SWC Bush's dumb/deadly wars, and seeing them as "God's work"
- Palin's strong support for Joe the Plumber
- Do you support or oppose freedom/equal rights for Palestinians?

If you can answer these questions, the right label will automatically find you :)

I believe in human morality but if I'm thrown into a gladiatorial pit like the Middle East, I'm going to do all in my power to survive, aside from killing women and children.

I really feel bad for the adult innocent people of mideast for being born on the land where Jesus once walked as they seem to be automatic target of all sorts of "signature strikes" from the nation that leads the world in freedom spreading.
But your point is taken.

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 08:00 PM

- Ted Cruze support for sanction on iran and spreading war fever in general

I support sanctions as a tactic to pressure other nations and as an alternative to war. I do not support going to war with Iran.

-Ted Cruz Cruz support for CUFI/John Hagee, US tax payers funded occupations, invasion of Syria/Iran etc?

I don't support John Hagee, don't even consider him a Christian. I do not support invading or occupying either Syria or Iran.

- Palin/Rick's support for Iraq war, SWC Bush's dumb/deadly wars, and seeing them as "God's work"

I did not support the Iraq War, but Sarah Palin never called it "God's work." That's a misquote spread to discredit her, just as Ahmedinejad was misquoted many times.

- Do you support or oppose freedom/equal rights for Palestinians?

I used to be very pro-Palestinian, but honestly I've found myself to care less and less about what happens in the Middle East. I think the West should mind it's own business and if people want to support Israel or Palestine they can do so with their own money.

My personal opinion is that Israel as a Jewish state should not exist and that a two-state 'solution' is bound to fail. It should be one state with equal rights for Jews, Muslims, and Christians.

enhanced_deficit

02-06-2014, 08:14 PM

I support sanctions as a tactic to pressure other nations and as an alternative to war. I do not support going to war with Iran.

I don't support John Hagee, don't even consider him a Christian. I do not support invading or occupying either Syria or Iran.

I did not support the Iraq War, but Sarah Palin never called it "God's work." That's a misquote spread to discredit her, just as Ahmedinejad was misquoted many times.

I used to be very pro-Palestinian, but honestly I've found myself to care less and less about what happens in the Middle East. I think the West should mind it's own business and if people want to support Israel or Palestine they can do so with their own money.

My personal opinion is that Israel as a Jewish state should not exist and that a two-state 'solution' is bound to fail. It should be one state with equal rights for Jews, Muslims, and Christians.

First thing that strikes me is that all the foreign/domestic policy views of Cruz I listed, you oppose them and yet you had said you liked him.
Based on your views, department of labels cannot justify placing neocon or zionist label on you lol .. but seriously your support for neocons/zionists then seems enigmatic as by supporting them you are essentially become their enabler .. unless you are working on some strategic goal to "use" them.

Lastly, if you are American, not caring about what happens in mideast with US tax payers funded weapons and military muscle is a dangerous and even irresponsible attitude imo. And it makes understanding of things like 9/11 and increasing police state, fear poliotics, ongoing groping of Americans at statdiums/train/mall/air ports almost impossible.

donnay

02-06-2014, 08:18 PM

I support sanctions as a tactic to pressure other nations and as an alternative to war.

Sanctions are an act of war.

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 08:18 PM

First thing that strikes me is that all the foreign/domestic policy views of Cruz I listed, you oppose them and yet you had said you liked him.
Based on your views, department of labels cannot justify placing neocon or zionist label on you lol .. but seriously your support for neocons/zionists then seems enigmatic as by supporting them you are essentially become their enabler .. unless you are working on some strategic goal to "use" them.

I've always said I don't agree with Cruz's foreign policy views. I think he's better than McCain/Graham, but not good enough for me to say I support his views. He's too hawkish and I don't agree with his support for Zionism.

That said, I agree with him on probably 90% of non-foreign policy issues. I think he's better than any other Senator apart from Rand and Mike Lee.

Lastly, if you are American, not caring about what happens in mideast with US tax payers funded weapons and military muscle is a dangerous and even irresponsible attitude imo. And it makes understanding of things like 9/11 and increasing police state, fear poliotics, ongoing groping of Americans at statdiums/train/mall/air ports almost impossible.

I want the US (and every other western nation) to get out of the Middle East. To stop supporting Israel as well as the Saudi theocracy.

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 08:19 PM

Sanctions are an act of war.

In your opinion.

donnay

02-06-2014, 08:22 PM

In your opinion.

Not just my opinion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIO-4v8qpYc

eduardo89

02-06-2014, 08:24 PM

Not just my opinion...

Still just an opinion.

enhanced_deficit

02-06-2014, 08:28 PM

In your opinion.

If a foreign country that had the power to do so blockaded US ports/forze assets on the grounds that US invasion based on lies killed hundreds of thousands innocent people/killing of Miriam carey/support for dictators/torturers or any other "self declared" moral/freedom violation of their value system... and as a result you end up paying all your income on very expensive gas and groceries and whole America including yourself suffers collectively (even though you opposed Iraq invasion), would you consider those sanctions an 'act of war' or justified or something else?

Barrex

02-06-2014, 08:30 PM

I thought Ron Paul created the Tea Party.

As for Palin, at some point I remember her saying that the Iraq War was a "mission from God" or some such. She may have repented of this, but the fact that she said it shows she wasn't fighting for liberty her whole life.

http://images.rapgenius.com/a45s3re8wng7zedzmnfdip53l.500x220x20.gif.... and you are NOT!!!

cajuncocoa

02-06-2014, 08:36 PM

She created co-opted the Tea Party as it is now.FIFY

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 06:04 PM

I don't understand the absolute dripping, cancerous hate for Kyle. I don't think he's a hero, but by the same token to kick the guy down while he's dead is truly startling. We have one side who has ratcheted him up to some uber patriot while the other side has portrayed him as a despicable villain, when in actuality he's probably somewhere in the middle.

He deserved to die for the people he killed. I thank God for using that other soldier to give Chris Kyle what he deserved for the 100+ people he killed. Much like if our idiotic justice system declared Ted Bundy a hero I would thank God if/when somebody took him out.

That "Dripping, cancerous hatred" enough for you?

Going into somebody else's country and murdering 100+ people is not "Somewhere in the middle" ethically. It's mass murder.

Your mentality will win you elections, but its not morally right.

Kyle was proud of his murdering people. Sorry it's hard to have any sympathy for a man who prided himself on how many kills he had. Besides he was a liar on top of it all saying he deck Jesse Ventura when he didn't.

He was a murderer who celebrated his murders. There is no fucking middle.

Amen on both counts.

Its the celebration part that makes me almost glad he's dead (I'm glad that an evil man is gone, I'm not glad that he's very likely in Hell, I really, really hope he repented in his last moments). Its one thing to get duped into joining the military, doing what you have to do to stay alive, and then regretting it later. Its another thing entirely to demonize the people who were defending their own country and wishing you'd murdered more of them.

It was his job to murder enemy combatants and keep his guys safe. You're conflating national pursuits (mistakes more appropriately) with the micro aspects of war. I would have taken a marksman of Kyle reputation any day to keep my rearend upright in that hellhole. Now as far as his victims or 'his love' for his job, that's between him & God. But as far as I to judge Kyle in a theater of operations as some inhuman, vile creature, I don't think I have that right.

If you were there, you would deserve to get shot. Period. End of story.

I could see some nuance if he and his guys were drafted. Kind of like I could see some nuance if I pointed a gun at you and told you to shoot your neighbor, and you did it. But they weren't. They VOLUNTEERED to go kill people in Iraq. I have no sympathy for this.

Given the inglorious finality of combat, I'd want the best 'murderer' on MY SIDE watching my back. But that's just me.

Again, you are completely ignoring the fact that everyone who went to Iraq CHOSE to join a military that they should have known was a murderous organization. Nobody should have gone. Anyone who did had a moral obligation to surrender immediately, much like an armed robber who breaks into your house has this moral obligation, and has no right to kill the homeowner in "Self-defense."

Simple logic.

Just because Miriam Carey investigation results are being held from public, this striking analogy is in order:

Quote:

Chris Kyle USN Ret
Most lethal sniper in U.S. history
Evil in the Crosshairs

I looked through the scope of the sniper rifle, scanning down the road of the tiny Iraqi town. Fifty yards away, a woman opened the door of a small house and stepped outside with her child.
"Marines are coming," said my chief as the building began to shake. "Keep watching."
I looked through the scope. The only people who were moving were the woman and maybe a child or two nearby.
I watched our troops pull up. Ten young, proud Marines in uniform got out of their vehicles and gathered for a foot patrol. As the Americans organized, the woman took something from beneath her clothes, and yanked at it.
She'd set a grenade. I didn't realize it at first.
"Looks yellow," I told the chief, describing what I saw as he watched himself. "It's yellow, the body--"
"She's got a grenade," said the chief. "That's a Chinese grenade."
"Shit."
"Take a shot."
"But--"
"Shoot. Get the grenade. The Marines--"
I hesitated. Someone was trying to get the Marines on the radio, but we couldn't reach them. They were coming down the street, heading toward the woman.
"Shoot!" said the chief.
I pushed my finger against the trigger. The bullet leapt out. I shot. The grenade dropped. I fired again as the grenade blew up.
It was the first time I'd killed anyone while I was on the sniper rifle. And the first time in Iraq--and the only time--I killed anyone other than a male combatant.
It was my duty to shoot, and I don't regret it. The woman was already dead. I was just making sure she didn't take any Marines with her.
It was clear that not only did she want to kill them, but she didn't care about anybody else nearby who would have been blown up by the grenade or killed in the firefight. Children on the street, people in the houses, maybe her child...
She was too blinded by evil to consider them. She just wanted Americans dead, no matter what.
My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman's twisted soul. I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job. But I truly, deeply hated the evil that woman possessed. I hate it to this day."

----------------

Considering that in the calm and collect of Washington DC, very close to the eyes of elite Washinton DC Secret Service troops and at the footsteps of the deliberative lawmakers offices an unarmed black mother with her baby besides her was seen as immediate threat/shot to death (and her killers received standing ovation from lawmakers for defending Washington)... what are the chances that a gung-ho kill-hungry Chris Kyle (who believed Iraqis resisting foreign invaders were savages/evil) mistook a baby milk bottle or toy in the hand of a mother with her baby besides her as "made in china yellow grenade" from a distance of hundreds of feet in the fog of war in a sandy Iraqi town?

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Chris Kyle participated in the invasion of Iraq.

The Iraqis had a RIGHT to shoot and kill him.

He had no more moral right to protect himself than an armed robber who claims he is "protecting himself" when the homeowner tries to shoot him.

Nor are they absolved completely from partaking in it.

How are they absolved partially?

Again, let's get back to Kyle...he did and that is why I have absolutely no sympathy for him. I have a great deal of respect for Oath Keepers, and lots of veterans are waking up to the empire of lies.

Agreed.

I don't think you should have sympathy for him. He had to know that his job occupation was fraught with risks. I never stated that. I'm just questioning the bile directed towards him as if he's Henry Kissinger.

We're not. We're treating him like someone who murdered 100+ people and got what he deserved for killing those people, not to mention bragging about it.

Because he did.

That's like saying we shouldn't be morally disgusted with Obama because he isn't quite Adolf Hitler. Yeah, there's a difference in degree, so what?

That's no way to speak about a woman. Have some respect. Even if you disagree with her, be a gentleman and don't use words such as whore to describe a woman.

What if the woman actually were a whore?

The term "political whore" is actually quite applicable for most politicians, but in Palin's case, I'm genuinely unsure whether she's actually intelligent enough for it to apply. I suspect she's just ignorant.

I believe in human morality but if I'm thrown into a gladiatorial pit like the Middle East, I'm going to do all in my power to survive, aside from killing women and children.

So if I break into your house and you try to kill me, I have a moral right to kill you to stop you from killing me?

Yeah, I don't think so.

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 06:14 PM

He deserved to die for the people he killed. I thank God for using that other soldier to give Chris Kyle what he deserved for the 100+ people he killed. Much like if our idiotic justice system declared Ted Bundy a hero I would thank God if/when somebody took him out.

You are disgusting.

enhanced_deficit

02-08-2014, 06:21 PM

Video: Glenn Beck and Ted Cruz's Christian Zionist Ally Praying for more War in the name of Jesus (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?426011-Video-CUFI-s-Pastor-John-Hagee-Praying-for-more-War-in-the-name-of-Jesus&)

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 06:42 PM

You are disgusting.

OK, whatever you say. Live by the sword, die by the sword. He got what he deserved (And yes, I know Ron Paul was being more generous than I am when he made that statement.)

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 06:49 PM

OK, whatever you say. Live by the sword, die by the sword. He got what he deserved (And yes, I know Ron Paul was being more generous than I am when he made that statement.)

The fact that you say you thank God for someone being murdered is absolutely disgusting. You have so much hate in your heart, and this is just another instance of it being manifested.

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 06:53 PM

The fact that you say you thank God for someone being murdered is absolutely disgusting. You have so much hate in your heart, and this is just another instance of it being manifested.

Read this article: http://www.gotquestions.org/evil-people.html

Is your problem here with the CONCEPT of celebrating the fact that God eventually gives the wicked their just due? Or is your problem with the idea that Chris Kyle was a monstrous, evil person?

Brian4Liberty

02-08-2014, 06:54 PM

This should be in Hot Topics...

enhanced_deficit

02-08-2014, 06:55 PM

This should be in Hot Topics...

Yea, I tend to agree. Personal attacks become a distraction.

Eduardo, by the way do you have any moral judgment on following?

Quote:
Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there.
People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?"
The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-...b_1237669.html

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kyle-usn-ret/american-sniper_b_1237669.html)

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 06:56 PM

Read this article: http://www.gotquestions.org/evil-people.html

Is your problem here with the CONCEPT of celebrating the fact that God eventually gives the wicked their just due? Or is your problem with the idea that Chris Kyle was a monstrous, evil person?

The wicked will be punished by God in the next life. What you are celebrating and thanking God for is vengeance. You do not do it out of a sense of justice, but out feeling of hatred and blood lust. There is nothing to celebrate in the murder of a man, no matter how evil he might have been.

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 06:58 PM

Eduardo, by the way do you have any moral judgment on following?

Quote:
Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there.
People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?"
The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-...b_1237669.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kyle-usn-ret/american-sniper_b_1237669.html)

I find that statement despicable. I in no way supported the war in Iraq nor do I hail Chris Kyle as a hero. But I do not celebrate him being murdered nor attribute that act of evil to God and praise Him for it.

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 07:03 PM

Let me be clear here, I do not think that the soldier who killed in Chris Kyle acted in a moral manner. If I met someone like Chris Kyle, I would tell them to repent, not kill them. If he tried to kill me or harm me for telling him so, I'd have no qualms about defending myself as well as I could. But I do not believe it was in any way moral for the soldier to kill Chris Kyle.

I do, however, believe that ultimately, what happened was part of God's plan, and that God used that soldier, even his sin, to accomplish his plan. In this case, Chris Kyle would never have been punished by the government that empowered him to commit those murderers. Yet, as a murderer, he did deserve to die (Genesis 9:6.) God, using a sinful man, brought him to justice, and I do celebrate that he did so.

Really, my statement wouldn't have even been controversial had Chris Kyle have been a common killer rather than one that wore a military uniform. That's really the issue that I see here. Its a subtle worship of uniform that's been imposed on our culture for so long, even when we criticize the governmental criminals we still tell ourselves that they weren't quite as bad.

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 07:04 PM

I'm not sure this should be in hot topics, BTW. I suspect Bryan will put it there. But I actually like the idea of the average person being exposed to the evil they support WRT the US Military and Chris Kyle. The average person needs to have the demon they worship as a hero exposed.

enhanced_deficit

02-08-2014, 07:15 PM

I find that statement despicable. I in no way supported the war in Iraq nor do I hail Chris Kyle as a hero. But I do not celebrate him being murdered nor attribute that act of evil to God and praise Him for it.

For the sake of argument, if a soldier did kill innocent women, children, civilians in an ivasion that was based on lies and then took pride in those killings/stated he wished he had killed more... would you leave it in hands of God only or raise your voice for Justice in this world?
God forbid if someone close to you were a victim of unjust violence by another person/aggressor, would you seek justice in this world or wait till next life for justice?

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 07:19 PM

For the sake of argument, if a soldier did kill innocent women, children, civilians in an ivasion that was based on lies and then took pride in those killings/stated he wished he had killed more... would you leave it in hands of God only or raise your voice for Justice in this world?
God forbid if someone close to you were a victim of unjust violence by another person/aggressor, would you seek justice in this world or wait till next life for justice?

OK, you're actually going farther than I did (Of course, eduardo will likely ignore it and specifically go after me, more because he knows I despise the Catholic Church than for any substantive reason, though he won't admit that). I was not saying that vigilante killing was morally acceptable. I was saying that God used sinful behavior to bring a wicked man's life to an end. And I'm glad that the wicked man that is Chris Kyle got what he deserved, even though it was done in a way that is not moral.

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 07:20 PM

For the sake of argument, if a soldier did kill innocent women, children, civilians in an ivasion that was based on lies and then took pride in those killings/stated he wished he had killed more... would you leave it in hands of God only or raise your voice for Justice in this world?
God forbid if someone close to you were a victim of unjust violence by another person/aggressor, would you seek justice in this world or wait till next life for justice?

I am a staunch supporter of the death penalty for murderers, but I don't praise God when a murderer is put to death. Likewise, I don't praise God when someone is murdered by an actor other than the state, regardless of what evil they did. There is nothing to celebrate when someone is killed, regardless of who they are.

Likewise, when someone kills in self defence, it is nothing that should be celebrated. The taking of any life is horrible, although sadly, sometimes necessary to save other lives.

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 07:23 PM

I am a staunch supporter of the death penalty for murderers, but I don't praise God when a murderer is put to death. Likewise, I don't praise God when someone is murdered by an actor other than the state, regardless of what evil they did. There is nothing to celebrate when someone is killed, regardless of who they are.

Likewise, when someone kills in self defence, it is nothing that should be celebrated. The taking of any life is horrible, although sadly, sometimes necessary to save other lives.

What's your interpretation of Proverbs 11:10?

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 07:24 PM

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 07:27 PM

BTW: eduardo, I think you may have some valid points to make here, but I think you may be exaggerating specifically because you dislike me. Do you openly proclaim your "Disgust" with Chris Kyle and the people who support him? Somehow, I doubt it. Heck, I don't even give them half my mind in real life conversations precisely to avoid things like this.

I do not dislike you. I dislike your theology and I dislike your pride and hatred, but I do not dislike you. I consider you a brother in Christ and pray for you often.

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 07:33 PM

What's your interpretation of Proverbs 11:10?

I would agree with this commentary:

10: What's good for the righteous is good for the city." There is a direct connection between the morality of the population and the happiness and prosperity of the unit, whether of an individual city or community, or of an entire society. Nations where the will of God is ignored will find an increasing decline in their happiness, their prosperity and in their standard of living. This very day, America is beginning to see this accomplished.

11: This is an emphatic reiteration of the previous verse. "A town prospers when it has the blessing of upright men, but the words of evil men can destroy it."

http://www.studylight.org/com/bcc/view.cgi?book=pr&chapter=011

Dogsoldier

02-08-2014, 07:34 PM

That some of you argue over who started the tea party on a Ron Paul website is disturbing. Are you new comers? Ron Paul IS the God father of the tea party....There is no debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNiDx7qTjA

Anti Federalist

02-08-2014, 07:38 PM

With regards to Palin, I love her because she loves liberty and has been fighting for it her entire life. She basically created the Tea Party singlehandedly.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3384035/pennywise-the-clown-o.gif

enhanced_deficit

02-08-2014, 07:40 PM

I find that statement despicable. I in no way supported the war in Iraq nor do I hail Chris Kyle as a hero. But I do not celebrate him being murdered nor attribute that act of evil to God and praise Him for it.

Well in this thread you praised two people who had praised Chris Kyle and celeberated him as a hero.

I like Cruz..

With regards to Palin, I love her because she loves liberty and has been fighting for it her entire life..

It is posssible you had not read the parts of article that were highlighted and did not express any outrage about that.
To understand where you stand, do you believe Chris Kyles's killings in Iraq war just?

Do you support or condemn Ted Cruz and Palin calling a guy "hero" who wished he had killed more Iraqis/saw Iraqis as evil?

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 07:44 PM

Do you support or condemn Ted Cruz and Palin calling a guy "hero" who wished he had killed more Iraqis/saw Iraqis as evil?

I have never said I agree with Cruz and Palin on everything, in fact, I've said the opposite many times. I very much disagree with them on this issue.

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 07:46 PM

Well in this thread you praised two people who had praised Chris Kyle and celeberated him as a hero.
Unfortunately, Rand Paul did too, even nonsensically claiming that he "defended our freedom." I genuinely hope he felt sick while saying it, because I know Rand knows better too. Ron Paul made a reasonable response to the whole thing and was blasted by almost everybody for it.

I do sort of... not completely, but sort of, give Rand a pass because I know he was playing a political game.

RonPaulFanInGA

02-08-2014, 07:53 PM

I think Phil Santelli created the Tea Party.

I don't believe that. You really think some guy on about the lowest rated news channel ever (CNBC) inspired a mass movement by giving a typical-for-him rant? Please.

The Tea Party that sprung up in 2009 was a big pile of AstroTurf, pushed by conservative talk radio to protest against Obama. It's hard to say who may be the single most responsible person for it, but it's not Ron Paul, Sarah Palin or Rick Santelli.

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 08:04 PM

I would agree with this commentary:

While I don't disagree with what you quoted, this doesn't address the fact that you have a clear Biblical passage saying that the righteous rejoice when the wicked perish.

I have never said I agree with Cruz and Palin on everything, in fact, I've said the opposite many times. I very much disagree with them on this issue.

Its clear that to you economic issues matter more, though. To me, there's no issue that matters more than mass murder around the world. Not only does it matter more on its own merits, but it effects everything else as well.

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 08:13 PM

Its clear that to you economic issues matter more, though. To me, there's no issue that matters more than mass murder around the world. Not only does it matter more on its own merits, but it effects everything else as well.

Two points here:

1) It's affect, not effect.
2) Economic issues are vastly more important than foreign policy. It all comes down to the Fed and fiat currency. Without the Fed and an unlimited supply of FRNs, the United States' current interventionist foreign policy would not exist and neither would the domestic welfare state. Cut off the funding and you'll see a restrained foreign policy. Give Congress and the Executive a blank check for worthless paper and you'll have big government, at home and abroad.

pcosmar

02-08-2014, 08:13 PM

Christian Liberty

02-08-2014, 08:22 PM

Two points here:

1) It's affect, not effect.
2) Economic issues are vastly more important than foreign policy. It all comes down to the Fed and fiat currency. Without the Fed and an unlimited supply of FRNs, the United States' current interventionist foreign policy would not exist and neither would the domestic welfare state. Cut off the funding and you'll see a restrained foreign policy. Give Congress and the Executive a blank check for worthless paper and you'll have big government, at home and abroad.

I definitely agree that destroying the Fed would make a huge difference. I'd never support anyone who supported the Fed.

He should have been killed by an Iraqi woman with a tent peg.. That would have been biblical Justice.

Judges 4:21

lol.

Tywysog Cymru

02-08-2014, 09:47 PM

I definitely agree that destroying the Fed would make a huge difference. I'd never support anyone who supported the Fed.

I don't think its possible to destroy the Fed and end big government at home without ending our interventionist foreign policy first.

LibertyEagle

02-08-2014, 09:48 PM

I think you meant she co-opted the Tea Party singlehandedly along with Glenn Beck.

Unfortunately, we didn't do anything with it. So, it was there for the taking. And when others started forming tea party groups, we sat back and whined about it, instead of setting our own up or attending theirs and leading them our way.

No one co-opted anything. We gave it away from our inaction.

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 09:50 PM

I don't think its possible to destroy the Fed and end big government at home without ending our interventionist foreign policy first.

I disagree. While there continues to be a Federal Reserve system with the capability to monetise unlimited amounts of federal government debt, there will be big government at home and abroad.

Tywysog Cymru

02-08-2014, 09:55 PM

I disagree. While there continues to be a Federal Reserve system with the capability to monetise unlimited amounts of federal government debt, there will be big government at home and abroad.

I think Ron Paul said something along the lines of "If you want to pursue an interventionist foreign policy, you need the Federal Reserve." War is used to justify the expansion of government, and is also used to distract citizens from the economic situation at home.

But ultimately, I don't care which one ends first

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 09:56 PM

I think Ron Paul said something along the lines of "If you want to pursue an interventionist foreign policy, you need the Federal Reserve."

I think you just proved my point ;)

Tywysog Cymru

02-08-2014, 09:59 PM

I think you just proved my point ;)

I think he was saying that we need to stop policing the world first, then we can end the Fed.

eduardo89

02-08-2014, 10:04 PM

I think he was saying that we need to stop policing the world first, then we can end the Fed.

He was saying the opposite. Without the Fed you can't police the world.

Tywysog Cymru

02-08-2014, 10:13 PM

He was saying the opposite. Without the Fed you can't police the world.

Yes, but America was already heading down the path of interventionism before 1913, Spanish-American War and Roosevelt's intervention in Panama for instance. Without those two events I don't think Woody would have established the Fed.

But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. We agree that both are destroying America, but disagree on which is more urgent.

kcchiefs6465

02-08-2014, 10:23 PM

Yes, but America was already heading down the path of interventionism before 1913, Spanish-American War and Roosevelt's intervention in Panama for instance. Without those two events I don't think Woody would have established the Fed.

But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. We agree that both are destroying America, but disagree on which is more urgent.
Realistically speaking they'll end at about the same time. Without our interventionist foreign policy, the petro-dollar most probably would collapse. It would at least be very seriously challenged. It would also be difficult to maintain the status as the world's reserve currency without our giant military expenditures.

You are debating what came first, the chicken or the egg. It doesn't really matter what happens first. I do see ending foreign adventurism as a lot easier path than ending the Fed. Most people aren't concerned with economics and are by and large unaware that the dollar is not backed by anything. Those that are are collectivist Keynesians and socialists. Only recently has traction been gained on simply auditing the Fed. Allowing competing currencies would effectively nullify their activities. At least for those who were wise enough to transact accordingly.

Woodrow Wilson was bought and paid for by the same corporate interests as Roosevelt. They (bankers) actually used Roosevelt as a pawn to give Wilson the edge against Taft. He was such an oaf he couldn't see that.

Ender

02-08-2014, 10:44 PM

robert68

02-09-2014, 05:43 AM

He was saying the opposite. Without the Fed you can't police the world.

He never suggested those who committed mass murder in uniform should be given some kind of pass as long as there’s a Fed.

thoughtomator

02-09-2014, 08:13 AM

any person who enjoys killing is a person who needs killing... end of thread

LibertyEagle

02-09-2014, 08:21 AM

Thread: Proud Christian Zionist Ted Cruz honors Iraq war hero Chris Kyle

By giving the thread this title, it appears you equate someone believing that Israel should exist as a country is the same thing as promoting illegal and immoral wars. I know a lot of people who want Israel to exist, but do not agree with what their leaders are doing. Just the same as they want America to exist, but don't like what our own leaders are doing. I really don't think you constantly blaming the fact that someone is a Christian Zionist is doing you any favors.

LibertyEagle

02-09-2014, 08:22 AM

Who's "we"?

Gotta mouse in your pocket?

The liberty movement. The same "we" that some want to credit with starting the tea parties.

vita3

02-09-2014, 08:28 AM

The entire Chris Kyle "story" promoted thu main stream media (FOX) & his takedown story vs Jessie Ventura, felt like a Black Ops Ps-op

That's what my gut told me the minute I heard about him.

& example 107 of Ted Cruz being the no#1 Neo Con political "star"

vita3

02-09-2014, 08:46 AM

Not sure Dr Joseph Goebbels could have imagined putting a snipers "book" into the best sellers list.

cajuncocoa

02-09-2014, 09:11 AM

Unfortunately, we didn't do anything with it. So, it was there for the taking. And when others started forming tea party groups, we sat back and whined about it, instead of setting our own up or attending theirs and leading them our way.

No one co-opted anything. We gave it away from our inaction.I don't know about you, but I attended every tea party activity that I knew about between 2008-09 (when the co-opting began). As you're always reminding us, however, there are many more of "them" than there are of "us". Keeping them from taking it over was/is easier said than done.

LibertyEagle

02-09-2014, 09:16 AM

I don't know about you, but I attended every tea party activity that I knew about between 2008-09 (when the co-opting began). As you're always reminding us, however, there are many more of "them" than there are of "us". Keeping them from taking it over was/is easier said than done.

Sure, I know that, Cajun. But, we also could have leveraged the popularity of the tea party meme and held some of our own, right? That way, we could have ensured that our ideas were put into the mix. It just seemed like a shame that we didn't take capitalize on the opportunity.

unknown

02-25-2014, 09:27 PM

I like Cruz, but I don't think I've ever even started a thread about him.

With regards to Palin, I love her because she loves liberty and has been fighting for it her entire life. She basically created the Tea Party singlehandedly.

What?

Ron Paul supporters created the Tea Party back in 2007...

Ron Paul's tea party for dollars (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/ron_pauls_tea_p.html).

Palin is neocon trash...

sylcfh

03-27-2014, 07:30 PM

Sarah Palin is Bill Kristol's pet. The only he's ever got right in his entire life is when he predicted she'd be the VP choice, because he was the one grooming her.

Christian Liberty

03-27-2014, 08:10 PM

By giving the thread this title, it appears you equate someone believing that Israel should exist as a country is the same thing as promoting illegal and immoral wars. I know a lot of people who want Israel to exist, but do not agree with what their leaders are doing. Just the same as they want America to exist, but don't like what our own leaders are doing. I really don't think you constantly blaming the fact that someone is a Christian Zionist is doing you any favors.

I think that "Christian Zionist" is at least borderline a contradiction in terms (Depending on what you mean by "Zionist" obviously, for what its worth I don't think just wanting Israel to exist makes one a Zionist, but I do think Ted Cruz is a Zionist.)

What?

Ron Paul supporters created the Tea Party back in 2007...

Ron Paul's tea party for dollars (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/ron_pauls_tea_p.html).

Palin is neocon trash...

Quite honestly, I think Palin's just an idiot. I don't think she's any more proactively evil than the average neocon cheerleader. Which is to say, still evil, but ignorantly evil. Most people I know who are even more neo-con-ish don't think she's too bright. In her case I think a Reformed eschatology (which could be anything non-dispensational) and a little education on just how screwed up the system is could help her a lot. I can't say the same about Ted Cruz, McCain, or Graham, all of whom I believe are actively evil.

enhanced_deficit

07-29-2014, 05:51 PM

So, God's hand works mysteriously?

Anti Federalist

07-29-2014, 06:10 PM

She was too blinded by evil to consider them. She just wanted Americans dead, no matter what.

That's usually the response of people who have had their home and nation invaded by a foreign power.

enhanced_deficit

07-29-2014, 06:20 PM

That's usually the response of people who have had their home and nation invaded by a foreign power.

That is not hard to believe.

Bit off topic but Ralph Edward Cruz may want to read these views also:.

British MP David Ward tweeted this :

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.606854.1406132775%21/image/70914036.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/70914036.JPG Screenshot of David Ward's tweet.

Well-known Italian philosopher:'I’d like to shoot those bastard zionists'

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456288-Well-known-Italian-philosopher-I%E2%80%99d-like-to-shoot-those-bastard-Zionists&)