Cop cuffs firefighter for not moving truck, continuing aid

[Origanalist]

CHULA VISTA (CBS 8) – Officials from both the California Highway Patrol and Chula Vista Fire Department Wednesday responded to an incident that left a firefighter in handcuffs at an accident site in the South Bay.

CBS News 8 cameras were rolling around 9:00 p.m. Tuesday when the two got into a dispute over where the fire engine should park while firefighters were responding to the crash that happened north on I-805 between Telegraph Canyon Road and East Orange Avenue.

According to officials, the officer told firefighters to move three fire engines from the fast lane, and two complied, but one firefighter refused that request and continued giving aid to the crash victims.

CBS News 8 video shows the CHP officer cuffing the firefighter, identified as Jacob Gregoire, 36, at the scene of the accident. In the background, other fire crews and officers can be seen tending to the victims of the rollover accident.

The firefighter, who's been with the fire department for 12 1/2 years, was detained in the back of a CHP vehicle for about half an hour before being released.

The driver of a white Honda Civic involved in the crash was transported to the hospital. No word on the condition of the second driver.

Representatives from the CHP and Chula Vista Fire Department met Wednesday to discuss the details of this incident. Wednesday afternoon, the the two agencies released the following joint statement:

"Last night there was an unfortunate incident at the scene of a traffic collision on I-805, where both our agencies had responded. Both the CHP and the Chula Vista Fire Department share a common goal of protecting the public and providing the highest level of safety to responding emergency personnel, involved parties and other drivers at collision scenes.

More + video's at.....http://www.cbs8.com/story/24637357/chp-handcuffs-firefighter-in-dispute-at-crash-scene

[LibertyEagle]

It's interesting. The title the news gave the article is that it is an isolated incident, but in the newscast video it is mentioned at the end that it has been an ongoing issue. In other words, it is NOT an isolated incident at all.

Cops sure don't like it if people, even firefighters tending to injured citizens, don't kneel down to them. Disgusting.

[Origanalist]

It's interesting. The title the news gave the article is that it is an isolated incident, but in the newscast video it is mentioned at the end that it has been an ongoing issue. In other words, it is NOT an isolated incident at all.

Cops sure don't like it if people, even firefighters tending to injured citizens, don't kneel down to them. Disgusting.

Firefighters are there to put out fires, check buildings and give aid. Police are there to be obeyed.

[aGameOfThrones]

Firefighters are there to put out fires, check buildings and give aid. Police are there to be obeyed.


*cough* *cough* They are there to eat doughnuts and fuck people up and throw them in jail... and they're all out of doughnuts.

[DamianTV]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IOsN-P5abVg

[Weston White]

And recall another such incident from 2009 (there is a YT video available as well):

Oklahoma Trooper Arrests a Paramedic After Stopping the Ambulance with a Patient on Board

An Oklahoma State Trooper stopped an ambulance rushing a patient to hospital over a perceived failure to yield and ended up assaulting the EMT on board. New dash cam footage reveals the Trooper's view.

The incident happened on May 24 when Trooper Daniel Martin took exception to a "hand signal" the driver of the ambulance made as Martin passed it. When Martin eventually pulled the ambulance over, Maurice White hopped out of the back and attempted to reason with Martin, asking him to let them take the patient to hospital before Martin issued a ticket.

As clearly seen in the video, the situation quickly devolved into Martin assaulting White and threatening arrest. The arrest was never made, but Oklahoma police have informed White that he should be prepared to turn himself in should a warrant be issued for his arrest.

Throughout the incident, the female patient in the back seat can be heard screaming in either panic or pain, maybe both. Her husband captured the cell phone video of Martin assaulting White.

After these videos were shot, the ambulance was allowed to continue to the hospital, where it's driver received a written warning for failing to yield. Officer Martin is now on paid leave pending a disciplinary review.

[devil21]

Im calling bs on this whole thing. I think this is fake.

[DamianTV]

Video of the story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_b8UpGtMUo

[SeanTX]

http://cdn.1starriving.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/02/CA-Chula-Vista-firefighter-arrested-2-2-4-141-1024x576.jpg

[aGameOfThrones]

Video of the story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_b8UpGtMUo


Reporter: CHP and Firefighters are meeting to discuss what happened and to make sure it doesn't happened again.



LOL not with respect my authoritah cops.

[jkr]

OUT
FUKNG
RAGEOUS

[Origanalist]

Im calling bs on this whole thing. I think this is fake.

That's what you get for thinking. :D

[Origanalist]

That's what you get for thinking. :D

Actually, (sigh), you could be right.

[donnay]

Government agency out of control.

[donnay]

And recall another such incident from 2009 (there is a YT video available as well):

Oklahoma Trooper Arrests a Paramedic After Stopping the Ambulance with a Patient on Board

An Oklahoma State Trooper stopped an ambulance rushing a patient to hospital over a perceived failure to yield and ended up assaulting the EMT on board. New dash cam footage reveals the Trooper's view.

The incident happened on May 24 when Trooper Daniel Martin took exception to a "hand signal" the driver of the ambulance made as Martin passed it. When Martin eventually pulled the ambulance over, Maurice White hopped out of the back and attempted to reason with Martin, asking him to let them take the patient to hospital before Martin issued a ticket.

As clearly seen in the video, the situation quickly devolved into Martin assaulting White and threatening arrest. The arrest was never made, but Oklahoma police have informed White that he should be prepared to turn himself in should a warrant be issued for his arrest.

Throughout the incident, the female patient in the back seat can be heard screaming in either panic or pain, maybe both. Her husband captured the cell phone video of Martin assaulting White.

After these videos were shot, the ambulance was allowed to continue to the hospital, where it's driver received a written warning for failing to yield. Officer Martin is now on paid leave pending a disciplinary review.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4G37Ouy164

[Red Green]

Isolated? Not likely

http://www.totalcriminaldefense.com/news/articles/unusual/firefighter-arrest/

Fire dude should sue the pig. He might make a few extra bucks.

[Brian4Liberty]

Interesting situation. Cops and firefighters both have a tendency to block traffic pretty much because they can. It's nice to see that someone is looking out for the thousands of people stuck in the traffic jam. What happens when two self-important people get in a dispute? The one with the gun wins.

[Red Green]

Interesting situation. Cops and firefighters both have a tendency to block traffic pretty much because they can. It's nice to see that someone is looking out for the thousands of people stuck in the traffic jam. What happens when two self-important people get in a dispute? The one with the gun wins.

The firefighter at least has the appearance of having a good reason to block traffic. I don't mind waiting if they're tending to injured and want to protect themselves from oncoming traffic. That at least is somewhat reasonable. The pigs generally block the road like trolls block a bridge: they're looking for money in order to let you pass. Cuz they can....

[aGameOfThrones]

"This was an isolated incident and not representative of the manner in which our agencies normally work together toward our common goal." ~ CHP & Chula Vista Fire Dept.

A power hungry cop is not an isolated incident.

[Deborah K]

Im calling bs on this whole thing. I think this is fake.

It's not fake. I live in San Diego County. It's not fake.

Edit: posted this before I saw that clips were posted.

[Neil Desmond]

The officer replied, "We asked you to clear the road, you said ‘No.’ You are being arrested for not moving."
Why was he arrested for not moving? When one asks for something, that means they're giving the person they're asking the option of saying no.

[AuH20]

Where is Ponch when you need him?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYKdayl7BHM

[Anti Federalist]

And had it been a Mundane, he would have gotten beat, tased or possibly shot and then charged with "resisting".




Handcuffing of S. Cal fireman 'isolated incident'

http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_25079507/handcuffing-s-cal-fireman-isolated-incident

The Associated Press

Posted: 02/06/2014 03:23:01 PM PST | Updated: about 3 hours ago

CHULA VISTA, Calif.—A dispute that ended with a Highway Patrol officer handcuffing a firefighter at a Southern California car crash scene was called an isolated incident by the agencies after a video of the confrontation spread on the Web and was broadcast nationwide.

CHP and Chula Vista Fire Department officials met Wednesday to discuss the dispute, which occurred Tuesday night on Interstate 805 in San Diego County as fire crews were helping victims of a car rollover. One person was taken to a hospital.

Video from KFMB-TV ( http://bit.ly/1buDnY9) showed a fireman being cuffed after he refused a CHP officer's order to immediately move a fire engine that was blocking traffic.

The firefighter, a 12 1/2-year veteran, was held in the back of a patrol car for about a half-hour and then released without being arrested.

Fire Chief Dave Hanneman said he stood behind the firefighters at the scene.

"My engineers and all the crews did exactly what they're trained to do," he told the TV station.

The Fire Department and CHP issued a joint statement Wednesday afternoon saying that they have "the utmost respect for each other."

"This was an isolated incident and not representative of the manner in which our agencies normally work together toward our common goal" of protecting the public, the statement said.

"This incident will be a topic of future joint training sessions, in an ongoing effort to work more efficiently together," it added.

On Thursday, CHP Chief Jim Abele attended a scheduled meeting of the San Diego County Fire Chiefs Association to assure them that the confrontation was an "aberration," the Los Angeles Times ( http://lat.ms/1eZlmBP) reported.

"He told us that they are not going to get into the practice of handcuffing firefighters," San Diego Fire Chief Javier Mainar said.

The confrontation wasn't the first between a CHP officer and a firefighter in California.

In 2010, a battalion chief from Montecito in Santa Barbara County was handcuffed when he refused to move a fire engine blocking a freeway lane while responding to a crash.

[Neil Desmond]

Here's one that happened a few years back:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khBMoZdwEmc

[devil21]

Actually, (sigh), you could be right.

I can't see the other firefighters and EMTs standing there unphased while their coworker gets arrested in the middle of a traffic accident by someone that's supposed to be part of their "little family". Just doesn't ring true.

[Anti Federalist]

I can't see the other firefighters and EMTs standing there unphased while their coworker gets arrested in the middle of a traffic accident by someone that's supposed to be part of their "little family". Just doesn't ring true.

Why not?

Even firemen are not allowed to lay a finger on one of the Anointed.

[DamianTV]

Should have just hosed the cops down like they are doing to the firefighters themselves.

Tip of the iceberg. Very soon we will most likely have local cops having all out wars with any groups that oppose them, the Feds, the Mailmen, the Paramedics, pick a group, its bound to happen at the rate we are going.

[Origanalist]

Should have just hosed the cops down like they are doing to the firefighters themselves.

Tip of the iceberg. Very soon we will most likely have local cops having all out wars with any groups that oppose them, the Feds, the Mailmen, the Paramedics, pick a group, its bound to happen at the rate we are going.

Gang wars.

[satchelmcqueen]

im not sure about california, but in georgia, if a firefighter/paramedic is on an accident scene on the road way, a cop cannot order them to move. only the firefighter/paramedic can open or control the roads flow of traffic. a cop is only allowed to either help the crew or control whatever traffic the emt crew allows through.

[devil21]

Why not?

Even firemen are not allowed to lay a finger on one of the Anointed.

I didn't see any fingers laid on the cop. Just the absurdity of the situation overall and the complete lack of reaction from the others on scene tells me it isn't as it appears. Oh and that it happened right in front of a news camera at a random traffic accident. The totality of the situation is beyond fishy imho.

[Dr.3D]

As often happens, it may some day come to pass that the cop is in a position to need the services of the firefighter and guess who would be there to help him?

[jonhowe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4G37Ouy164

I would have fought that cop with every ounce of strength if I was driving or being driven in that ambulance. He should be jailed.

[jonhowe]

I can't see the other firefighters and EMTs standing there unphased while their coworker gets arrested in the middle of a traffic accident by someone that's supposed to be part of their "little family". Just doesn't ring true.

The central idea of the video, besides cops being animals, is that the firefighters were responding to an emergency which they important and considered time sensitive. If it was just some scrapes and bruises he probably would have moved the truck to avoid starting something with known brutes. Also, considering this had happened before, I think they wanted to help the patient first before settling things with the police (which they must have done, as the guy was released).