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johnwk
02-04-2014, 07:07 PM
SEE: Ted Cruz readies for next round of tea party-fueled fight (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/gromer-jeffers-jr/20140203-ted-cruz-readies-for-next-round-of-tea-party-fueled-fight.ece)
Gromer Jeffers Jr.
03 February 2014 10:36 PM

Now, Cruz said, he wants to engage voters on other issues as well. He said he hoped Congress would use this year to overhaul tax and regulatory policy. And later he expressed his support for ideas like a flat federal income tax rate for everyone, saying people should mail back their tax returns on a postcard.

“We need to get back to the policies that work, like fundamental tax reform,” he said.

This is very disturbing. What we really need to do is get back to the wisdom of our Founding Fathers, especially with reference to direct taxation! I thought Senator Cruz wanted to abolish the IRS. As long as Congress exercises a power to lay and collect taxes calculated from wages, profits, gains and other “incomes”, the IRS will not be abolished nor will the countless acts of tyranny end which are now rained down upon the people under a tax which taxes the people directly.

Perhaps Senator Cruz ought to listen to what one of our early members of Congress had to say with respect to direct taxes:

"History, Mr. Williams said, informed them of the annihilation of nations by means of direct taxation. He referred gentlemen to the situation of the Roman Empire in its innocence, and asked them whether they had any direct taxes? No. Indirect taxes and taxes upon luxuries and spices from the Indies were their sources of revenue; but, as soon as they changed their system to direct taxation, it operated to their ruin; their children were sold as slaves, and the Empire fell from its splendor. Shall we then follow this system? He trusted not."___Representative Williams during a debate on Direct Taxes January 18th, 1797 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&fileName=006/llac006.db&recNum=191).

Why not work to return to our Constitution’s original tax plan by supporting the following H/S Resolution?

House/Senate Joint Resolution

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.

Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.

I wonder if Senator Cruz has ever studied why our Founder’s demanded in our Constitution that Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the States, and went on to further command that No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

Is Senator Cruz really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population would be contributing into our federal treasury under his proposed tax reform and after filling out their tax return on a postcard?


Does Senator Cruz not realize the rule of apportionment, as intended by our founding fathers, is to insure that each state’s Congressional Delegation, whenever a direct tax is laid among the States to raise a specific sum, is to return home with a bill in hand proportionately equal to its voting strength in Congress, i.e., representation with proportional financial obligation, or, one man one vote and one vote one dollar?

Is it impossible for Senator Cruz to imagine the outrage of the Governors and Legislatures of our “progressive” states like California’s, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts if a direct tax were laid and their Congressional Delegation had to return home with a bill in hand for their apportioned share of the tax and these Governors and Legislatures would have to transfer that money out of their own state treasury and into the United States Treasury?

The truth is, our founder’s tax plan is based upon principles which do not change with the passage of time and if returned to, would reintroduce principles of fairness, such as the rule of apportionment. And what specifically did our Founders say with regard to the rule of apportionment? Let us review part of the historical record!

Pinckney addressing the S.C. ratification convention with regard to the rule of apportionment :

“With regard to the general government imposing internal taxes upon us, he contended that it was absolutely necessary they should have such a power: requisitions had been in vain tried every year since the ratification of the old Confederation, and not a single state had paid the quota required of her. The general government could not abuse this power, and favor one state and oppress another, as each state was to be taxed only in proportion to its representation.” 4 Elliot‘s, S.C., 305-6 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lled&fileName=004/lled004.db&recNum=317&itemLink)

And see:
“The proportion of taxes are fixed by the number of inhabitants, and not regulated by the extent of the territory, or fertility of soil”3 Elliot’s, 243 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lled&fileName=003/lled003.db&recNum=254&itemLink),“Each state will know, from its population, its proportion of any general tax” 3 Elliot’s, 244 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lled&fileName=003/lled003.db&recNum=255&itemLink) ___ Mr. George Nicholas, during the ratification debates of our Constitution.

Mr. Madison goes on to remark about Congress’s “general power of taxation” that, "they will be limited to fix the proportion of each State, and they must raise it in the most convenient and satisfactory manner to the public."3 Elliot, 255 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lled&fileName=003/lled003.db&recNum=266&itemLink)

And if there is any confusion about the rule of apportionment intentionally designed to insure that the people of those states contributing the lion’s share to fund the federal government are guaranteed a proportional vote in Congress equal to their contribution, Mr. PENDLETON says:

“The apportionment of representation and taxation by the same scale is just; it removes the objection, that, while Virginia paid one sixth part of the expenses of the Union, she had no more weight in public counsels than Delaware, which paid but a very small portion” 3 Elliot’s 41 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=lled&fileName=003/lled003.db&recNum=52)

Also see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=003/llsl003.db&recNum=94) in which the rule of apportionment is applied.

And then see Section 7 of direct tax of 1813 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=003/llsl003.db&recNum=112) allowing states to pay their respective quotas and be entitled to certain deductions in meeting their payment on time.


JWK


If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?

MichaelDavis
02-04-2014, 07:15 PM
Yes, Ted Cruz is a socialist/progressive, just like Rand Paul.

"Sen. Rand Paul formally rolled out his 2014 budget blueprint on Friday, offering a combination of tax and spending proposals that he said would balance the federal budget in five years without raising taxes.

The freshman Kentucky Republican’s plan reshapes entitlement programs, abolishes four federal agencies and overhauls the federal tax code by establishing a 17-percent flat tax and eliminating taxes on capital gains, dividends and savings."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/22/rand-paul-maps-quick-path-balanced-budget/#ixzz2sPDvOPEu

johnwk
02-04-2014, 11:41 PM
Yes, Ted Cruz is a socialist/progressive, just like Rand Paul.

"Sen. Rand Paul formally rolled out his 2014 budget blueprint on Friday, offering a combination of tax and spending proposals that he said would balance the federal budget in five years without raising taxes.

The freshman Kentucky Republican’s plan reshapes entitlement programs, abolishes four federal agencies and overhauls the federal tax code by establishing a 17-percent flat tax and eliminating taxes on capital gains, dividends and savings."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/22/rand-paul-maps-quick-path-balanced-budget/#ixzz2sPDvOPEu


I did not suggest Senator Cruz is a socialist/progressive. But he is promoting tax reform which would keep alive the socialist/progressive's tax calculated from profits, gains and other incomes.

SEE:Cruz Calls for Abolishing IRS, Moving to ‘Simple Flat Tax’ (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/349948/cruz-calls-abolishing-irs-moving-simple-flat-tax-andrew-johnson)
By Andrew Johnson
June 3, 2013 8:46 AM

“Put down how much you earn, put down a deduction for charitable contributions, for home mortgage, and how much you owe,” he continued. “It ought to be just a simple, one-page postcard.”


Why is it that not one so-called "conservative" in Congress will mention or suggest returning to our Constitution's original tax plan.

Why is it that not one "conservative" talk show host, and that includes Mark Levin, will ever talk about the merits of our Constitution's original tax plan, especially its rule of apportionment as applied to taxation?

JWK





Reaching across the aisle and bipartisanship is Washington Newspeak to subvert the Constitution and screw the American People.

Christian Liberty
02-05-2014, 12:19 AM
Yes, Ted Cruz is a socialist/progressive, just like Rand Paul.

"Sen. Rand Paul formally rolled out his 2014 budget blueprint on Friday, offering a combination of tax and spending proposals that he said would balance the federal budget in five years without raising taxes.

The freshman Kentucky Republican’s plan reshapes entitlement programs, abolishes four federal agencies and overhauls the federal tax code by establishing a 17-percent flat tax and eliminating taxes on capital gains, dividends and savings."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/22/rand-paul-maps-quick-path-balanced-budget/#ixzz2sPDvOPEu

They're both borderline pathetic from a constitutional standpoint when it comes to the economy. None of them are advocating throwing the entitlement programs in the woods.

The main difference with Rand VS Cruz is that Rand does not come across as a complete whore for Israel, nor does he show an intense desire to murder Iranian children.

enhanced_deficit
02-05-2014, 12:38 AM
Anyone who has heard his CUFI speech knows that Christian Zionist Rafael Ted Cruz also supports oppression of defseless children and people in open air prison in Gaza. His name belongs on fascism index.


http://kiaoragaza.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/kids-barbed-wire.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=yEgtBXmXki4P9M&tbnid=Lx6sGZDPikSYjM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkiaoragaza.wordpress.com%2F2010%2 F08%2F&ei=R9vxUu2DCYTgkQfS_4CgDA&bvm=bv.60799247,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNFuenj1osJoUFD_2U20ZzXoTjdxHg&ust=1391668049408959)https://occupiedpalestine.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/images_news_2012_06_13_arrest-of-youth_300_01.jpg%3Fw%3D588 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=YGXJzgA-tpseDM&tbnid=YLg0ea_sFXLvXM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Foccupiedpalestine.wordpress.com%2 F2012%2F06%2F14%2Fpalhunger-20-palestinian-detained-children-started-a-hunger-strike-in-hasharon-prison%2F&ei=LdvxUo-TFcqHkQfU6oDQBw&bvm=bv.60799247,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNFuenj1osJoUFD_2U20ZzXoTjdxHg&ust=1391668049408959)

compromise
02-05-2014, 11:54 AM
Anyone who has heard his CUFI speech knows that Christian Zionist Rafael Ted Cruz also supports oppression of defseless children and people in open air prison in Gaza. His name belongs on fascism index.


http://kiaoragaza.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/kids-barbed-wire.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=yEgtBXmXki4P9M&tbnid=Lx6sGZDPikSYjM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkiaoragaza.wordpress.com%2F2010%2 F08%2F&ei=R9vxUu2DCYTgkQfS_4CgDA&bvm=bv.60799247,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNFuenj1osJoUFD_2U20ZzXoTjdxHg&ust=1391668049408959)https://occupiedpalestine.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/images_news_2012_06_13_arrest-of-youth_300_01.jpg%3Fw%3D588 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=YGXJzgA-tpseDM&tbnid=YLg0ea_sFXLvXM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Foccupiedpalestine.wordpress.com%2 F2012%2F06%2F14%2Fpalhunger-20-palestinian-detained-children-started-a-hunger-strike-in-hasharon-prison%2F&ei=LdvxUo-TFcqHkQfU6oDQBw&bvm=bv.60799247,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNFuenj1osJoUFD_2U20ZzXoTjdxHg&ust=1391668049408959)

What has that got to do with this thread?

Stop trying to derail threads by spamming stuff about Palestine. Are all your posts about Palestine? Heck, do you live in Gaza or something?

Christian Liberty
02-05-2014, 12:20 PM
To be fair to Cruz, even though on principle I don't support any taxes, one of the most tyrannical elements of the current tax system is the fact that its impossible to understand the rules, and thus, virtually everyone is subject to being punished at the government's whim, because everyone fails to follow some law. A flat tax would at least make it possible to completely comply with the law, even though its still theft.

enhanced_deficit
02-05-2014, 12:32 PM
What has that got to do with this thread?


It is very related because one cannot support US tax payers funded facism/oppression at one place and be credible supporter of freedom anywhere at same time.