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tsai3904
01-30-2014, 05:24 PM
Standards for Immigration Reform

Our nation’s immigration system is broken and our laws are not being enforced. Washington’s failure to fix them is hurting our economy and jeopardizing our national security. The overriding purpose of our immigration system is to promote and further America’s national interests and that is not the case today. The serious problems in our immigration system must be solved, and we are committed to working in a bipartisan manner to solve them. But they cannot be solved with a single, massive piece of legislation that few have read and even fewer understand, and therefore, we will not go to a conference with the Senate’s immigration bill. The problems in our immigration system must be solved through a step-by-step, common-sense approach that starts with securing our country’s borders, enforcing our laws, and implementing robust enforcement measures. These are the principals guiding us in that effort.

Border Security and Interior Enforcement Must Come First

It is the fundamental duty of any government to secure its borders, and the United States is failing in this mission. We must secure our borders now and verify that they are secure. In addition, we must ensure now that when immigration reform is enacted, there will be a zero tolerance policy for those who cross the border illegally or overstay their visas in the future. Faced with a consistent pattern of administrations of both parties only selectively enforcing our nation’s immigration laws, we must enact reform that ensures that a President cannot unilaterally stop immigration enforcement.

Implement Entry-Exit Visa Tracking System

A fully functioning Entry-Exit system has been mandated by eight separate statutes over the last 17 years. At least three of these laws call for this system to be biometric, using technology to verify identity and prevent fraud. We must implement this system so we can identify and track down visitors who abuse our laws.

Employment Verification and Workplace Enforcement

In the 21st century it is unacceptable that the majority of employees have their work eligibility verified through a paper based system wrought with fraud. It is past time for this country to fully implement a workable electronic employment verification system.

Reforms to the Legal Immigration System

For far too long, the United States has emphasized extended family members and pure luck over employment-based immigration. This is inconsistent with nearly every other developed country. Every year thousands of foreign nationals pursue degrees at America’s colleges and universities, particularly in high skilled fields. Many of them want to use their expertise in U.S. industries that will spur economic growth and create jobs for Americans. When visas aren’t available, we end up exporting this labor and ingenuity to other countries. Visa and green card allocations need to reflect the needs of employers and the desire for these exceptional individuals to help grow our economy.

The goal of any temporary worker program should be to address the economic needs of the country and to strengthen our national security by allowing for realistic, enforceable, usable, legal paths for entry into the United States. Of particular concern are the needs of the agricultural industry, among others. It is imperative that these temporary workers are able to meet the economic needs of the country and do not displace or disadvantage American workers.

Youth

One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents. It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children through no fault of their own, those who know no other place as home. For those who meet certain eligibility standards, and serve honorably in our military or attain a college degree, we will do just that.

Individuals Living Outside the Rule of Law

Our national and economic security depend on requiring people who are living and working here illegally to come forward and get right with the law. There will be no special path to citizenship for individuals who broke our nation’s immigration laws – that would be unfair to those immigrants who have played by the rules and harmful to promoting the rule of law. Rather, these persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits). Criminal aliens, gang members, and sex offenders and those who do not meet the above requirements will not be eligible for this program. Finally, none of this can happen before specific enforcement triggers have been implemented to fulfill our promise to the American people that from here on, our immigration laws will indeed be enforced.

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/boehner-releases-immigration-principles/

RonZeplin
01-30-2014, 06:06 PM
This is Boehner's way of announcing his support for Hillary 2016.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/05/article-2519058-19E1CBE400000578-397_634x399.jpg

Brian4Liberty
01-30-2014, 06:59 PM
And how does this differ from the Gang of Eight "principles"?

jkr
01-30-2014, 07:03 PM
1 sell out the people i extort for protection
2 ???
3 profit

Origanalist
01-30-2014, 07:05 PM
http://i.imgur.com/xFwwD0K.jpg

Except this.


Implement Entry-Exit Visa Tracking System

A fully functioning Entry-Exit system has been mandated by eight separate statutes over the last 17 years. At least three of these laws call for this system to be biometric, using technology to verify identity and prevent fraud. We must implement this system so we can identify and track down visitors who abuse our laws.

Employment Verification and Workplace Enforcement

In the 21st century it is unacceptable that the majority of employees have their work eligibility verified through a paper based system wrought with fraud. It is past time for this country to fully implement a workable electronic employment verification system.

Dianne
01-30-2014, 07:32 PM
FK that drug infested, alcoholic maggot ... get him out of our lives.. The dude should be serving 500 x 2; get him out of the Congress !!!

rpfocus
01-30-2014, 07:48 PM
Sorry, I'm with Boner on this one. There are only two options at this point: do something or do nothing. We've done nothing in the past. Hell, the mass invasion started while Reagan The Great was asleep at the wheel. Now those illegals are grandparents, and the count stands at 10 million. Do something and do it now.

rpfocus
01-31-2014, 01:54 PM
And how does this differ from the Gang of Eight "principles"?

All bolding is done by me.

From http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140130comparing-house-gop-immigration-plan-gang-eight-bill.html

Comparing House GOP immigration plan, ‘Gang of Eight’ bill

By Rebekah L. Sanders
The Republic | azcentral.com
Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:09 PM


House Republicans’ guidelines have yet to be crafted into legislation but here’s how they compare generally with the sweeping immigration-reform bill passed by the Senate in June.

Border Security

Senate: Security on the U.S.-Mexico border would significantly increase. The government would spend $30 billion to double the size of the Border Patrol and add Customs and Border Patrol officers at ports of entry.

An additional $8 billion would be spent on drones, helicopters and surveillance technology. The length of the border fence would double.

House: U.S. borders would be verified as secure and there would be a “zero-tolerance policy” for people who cross the border illegally or overstay their visas. The president would not be able to unilaterally stop immigration enforcement, presumably by executive order.

Entry-Exit System

Senate: Customs agents at airports would begin fingerprinting all foreigners leaving the country to catch people who stay after their visas have expired.

House: A biometric entry-exit system would be set up to check immigrant visas, verify identity and prevent fraud.

E-Verify

Senate: The federal E-Verify program would be expanded, requiring all U.S. employers within five years to use it to check the eligibility status of all new hires.

House: Workplace employment verification would take place electronically instead of by paper.

Work visas

Senate: Temporary-work visas for foreigners trained in science, technology, engineering and mathematics would be increased. And a new class of temporary visas would be created for low-skilled workers in the hospitality, retail, construction and medical industries. Farm workers after two years would be eligible for legal residency under a “blue card” system, whether or not they entered the U.S. illegally. They would be required to pay taxes and begin learning English. In 10 years, they could earn citizenship.

House: Visa and green-card allocations would be increased for high-skilled workers based on employer needs.

A temporary-worker program would allow mainly agricultural workers to come to the U.S. and fill the needs of businesses without displacing or disadvantaging American workers.

Young immigrants

Senate: Immigrants who entered the country illegally before turning 16 could apply for registered provisional immigrant status if they had a high school diploma or GED. Five years after achieving that status, they could apply for a green card if they completed two years of college or four years of military service and passed a naturalization test. Children younger than 16 would be allowed a five-year path to citizenship.

House: Young people brought to the country illegally by their parents would be given the opportunity for legal residence and citizenship if they served in the military or earned a college degree.

Entered (or stayed) illegally

Senate: The estimated 11 million people who entered the United States illegally or overstayed their legal visits before Dec. 31, 2011, would be offered a 13-year path to citizenship. They would have to meet other eligibility criteria (such as no felony convictions), pay a $500 fine, pass a background check, submit biometric data and pay application fees. Most would be required to study English.

Applicants would have to pay a second round of fines and fees after six years and prove they had been employed or had resources that put them above the federal poverty line. After 10 years, people could apply for legal permanent residence by paying another $1,000 fine, additional fees, passing a second background check and showing either consistent employment or resources equivalent to at least 125 percent of the federal poverty line. After three years, they could apply for citizenship.

House: Illegal immigrants in the U.S. would not receive a special path to citizenship. But they could live legally in the U.S. if they admitted their culpability, passed background checks, paid significant fines and back taxes, developed proficiency in English and American civics and were able to support themselves and their families without access to public benefits. Criminals and those that failed to pass those measures would not be eligible. Legalization would not occur until immigration-enforcement benchmarks were met.

Application backlog

Senate: A backlog of about 4.4 million people awaiting green cards would have to be cleared before anyone illegally in the U.S. could gain legal permanent residence.

House: Did not address issue.

Republic reporters Bob Ortega and Brian Tumulty contributed to this article.

pcosmar
01-31-2014, 02:10 PM
Sorry, I'm with Boner on this one.

It's not about Immigration.



http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/clip_image0024.jpg

http://kenraggio.com/Mark-Of-The-Beast-No-Man-Can-Buy-Or-Sell.jpg

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/immigration-reform-dossiers/
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Immigration-Reform-Biometric-Database/2013/05/12/id/504014
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/02/immigration-reform-could-lead-to-biometric-ids.html

How many sources do you want? ( I COULD POST DOZENS MORE)
The CFR Page has it as well,,
This is about getting the Often defeated REAL ID and Biometric Database.

HOLLYWOOD
01-31-2014, 02:12 PM
Who the hell is going to primary John Boehner? This guy is just a sobing Nancy Pelosi.

Brian4Liberty
01-31-2014, 02:31 PM
Well, at least Obama is on board. This is a great opportunity for the GOP and Obama to work together. Obama will certainly consider the letter of the law once the law gets signed. Year of action!


President Barack Obama said in an interview that aired Friday he could support the sort of immigration plan that House Republican leaders are exploring: legalization for most of the 11.5 million people in the U.S. illegally, with the opportunity—but no guarantee—of citizenship down the road.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/01/31/obama-could-support-house-gop-immigration-plan/

Brian4Liberty
01-31-2014, 02:34 PM
Talking points packet:


Billionaire Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is using material from the far left-wing Center for American Progress (CAP) and from President Barack Obama’s White House to argue to House Republicans that amnesty would be good for the economy and for American workers.

In an effort to try to support House Republican leaders' sprint towards amnesty for illegal aliens and a massive increase in legal immigration (including more cheap tech labor for Facebook), Zuckerberg’s lobbying outfit FWD.us distributed a packet of information to House Republicans this week at their retreat in Cambridge, Maryland. The Zuckerberg packet runs directly counter to the one Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), a longtime conservative and ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee, prepared for House Republicans ahead of their retreat.
...
More:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/31/Zuckerberg-touts-Center-for-American-Progress-Obama-WH-data-in-pro-amnesty-House-GOP-literature

Brian4Liberty
01-31-2014, 03:21 PM
Sen. Jeff Sessions remarks on Boehner's "Immigration Principles":


Sessions Remarks On House Leaders’ ‘Immigration Principles’
Thursday, January 30, 2014

WASHINGTON—U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL), Ranking Member of the Senate Budget Committee and a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, issued the following remarks this evening after House GOP Leaders released a set of immigration ‘principles’ / talking points:

“Once again, we have the same recycled talking points—crafted, it would appear, with the help of the same consultants and special interests. Each time, the talking points are followed by legislation that fails to match the promises—legislation that, at bottom, ensures only the amnesty and not the enforcement. The leadership talking points look like an attempted repackaging of the tired Gang-of-Eight-style formula that has been proposed, rejected, and re-proposed for years. It is no surprise then that Senator Schumer and former Speaker Pelosi are so encouraged by these developments. But while Democrat leaders and interest groups appear satisfied, this document was not voted upon by the GOP conference and clearly does not represent the consensus of Republican members. Is it not time we pushed aside the stale proposals stitched together in concert with the same lobbyists, and asked what is in the best interests of the hardworking American citizen—and the nation?

In three fundamental respects, the House leaders’ emerging immigration proposal appears to resemble the Senate plan: it provides the initial grant of amnesty before enforcement; it would surge the already unprecedented level of legal lesser-skilled immigration to the U.S. that is reducing wages and increasing unemployment; and it would offer eventual citizenship to a large number of illegal immigrants and visa overstays.

Rank-and-file House Republicans are the last line of defense for working Americans. Now is the time for rank-and-file House Republicans to claim the leadership mantle and to say, firmly: our goal is to transition millions of struggling Americans from welfare and joblessness to work and rising wages. The President has not only dismantled enforcement but has delivered for a small group of special interests and CEOs by forcing through the Senate legislation that drastically surges the future flow of new immigrant workers competing against unemployed Americans. There is a reason why these increases are never mentioned in the slick TV ads and radio spots: the American people reject them. Americans earning under $30,000 prefer a reduction to an increase in current record immigration levels by a 3-1 margin. Republicans have the chance to be the one party giving voice to the real-world concerns of the everyday worker whose wages have been flat or falling for more than 10 years.

House leaders should support—not ignore—the immigration officers pleading for help. They should stand with—not against—unemployed American workers. And they should expose—not join—the President’s campaign to pass an immigration plan that will hollow out our shrinking middle class.”

http://www.sessions.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressShop.NewsReleases&ContentRecord_id=f80d6307-cdd9-206d-8f11-ebc353b727dc&Region_id=&Issue_id=

rpfocus
01-31-2014, 03:45 PM
Talking points packet:


Ugh scumbag Zuckerberg. He's all about getting some cheap DBA's hired. It's hard to believe that after so many privacy snafus people actually give Facebook their real info. Lets not even start on the Facebook CEO who sold 91 Million dollars worth of stock little over a year after the stock goes public. Wall $t scumbags.

Disclosure: I do have a Facebook account and it's 100% bogus info.

rpfocus
01-31-2014, 03:52 PM
Sen. Jeff Sessions remarks on Boehner's "Immigration Principles":

Right but my whole point is that NOTHING has been done. It's WAAAY to late for criticism now. Where was Jeff Sessions the last 30 years? If you live in a border state, you already know what the future holds.

Keith and stuff
01-31-2014, 04:16 PM
Employment Verification and Workplace Enforcement

In the 21st century it is unacceptable that the majority of employees have their work eligibility verified through a paper based system wrought with fraud. It is past time for this country to fully implement a workable electronic employment verification system.

That's a horrible idea. The New Hampshire House just considered the bill. The vote was 266 against E-Verify with 68 in support of it. Obviously, the New Hampshire House isn't 266 GOP and 68 Dem. Clearly, Speaker Boehner is wrong on what the GOP and the nation stand for... at the very least, it is clueless when it comes to New Hampshire.
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/Roll_calls/Billstatus_billrollcalls.aspx?lsr=719&sy=2014&sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2014&txtbillnumber=HB249

Don't get me wrong. I agree that it's popular in AL, UT, PA, FL, LA... but not everywhere. Not in my America!

rpfocus
01-31-2014, 04:50 PM
That's a horrible idea. The New Hampshire House just considered the bill. The vote was 266 against E-Verify with 68 in support of it. Obviously, the New Hampshire House isn't 266 GOP and 68 Dem. Clearly, Speaker Boehner is wrong on what the GOP and the nation stand for... at the very least, it is clueless when it comes to New Hampshire.
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/Roll_calls/Billstatus_billrollcalls.aspx?lsr=719&sy=2014&sortoption=&txtsessionyear=2014&txtbillnumber=HB249

Don't get me wrong. I agree that it's popular in AL, UT, PA, FL, LA... but not everywhere. Not in my America!

Yet you haven't stated what you find wrong with the idea. Seems like a good idea to me. I can't imagine why you would think a paper based system would be better than an electronic one for verifying work eligibility before hire.

Keith and stuff
01-31-2014, 04:54 PM
Yet you haven't stated what you find wrong with the idea. Seems like a good idea to me. I can't imagine why you would think a paper based system would be better than an electronic one for verifying work eligibility before hire.

E-Verify is the federal national identification system that was predicted in the Bible, among other places. It is against the US Constitution. It is against the Bible. Do all Christians oppose it? I'm not sure but I've never met a single Christian that supported it.

Ron Paul on E-Verify


If You Like The Surveillance State, You’ll Love E-Verify

From massive NSA spying, to IRS targeting of the administration's political opponents, to collection and sharing of our health care information as part of Obamacare, it seems every day we learn of another assault on our privacy. Sadly, this week the Senate took another significant, if little-noticed, step toward creating an authoritarian surveillance state. Buried in the immigration bill is a national identification system called mandatory E-Verify.

The Senate did not spend much time discussing E-Verify, and what little discussion took place was mostly bipartisan praise for its effectiveness as a tool for preventing illegal immigrants from obtaining employment. It is a tragedy that mandatory E-Verify is not receiving more attention, as it will impact nearly every American’s privacy and liberty.

The mandatory E-Verify system requires Americans to carry a “tamper-proof” social security card. Before they can legally begin a job, American citizens will have to show the card to their prospective employer, who will then have to verify their identity and eligibility to hold a job in the US by running the information through the newly-created federal E-Verify database. The database will contain photographs taken from passport files and state driver's licenses. The law gives federal bureaucrats broad discretion in adding other “biometric” identifiers to the database. It also gives the bureaucracy broad authority to determine what features the “tamper proof” card should contain.

Regardless of one’s views on immigration, the idea that we should have to ask permission from the federal government before taking a job ought to be offensive to all Americans. Under this system, many Americans will be denied the opportunity for work. The E-Verify database will falsely identify thousands as "ineligible," forcing many to lose job opportunities while challenging government computer inaccuracies. E-Verify will also impose additional compliance costs on American businesses, at a time when they are struggling with Obamacare implementation and other regulations.

According to David Bier of Competitive Enterprise Institute, there is nothing stopping the use of E-Verify for purposes unrelated to work verification, and these expanded uses could be authorized by agency rule-making or executive order. So it is not inconceivable that, should this bill pass, the day may come when you are not be able to board an airplane or exercise your second amendment rights without being run through the E-Verify database. It is not outside the realm of possibility that the personal health care information that will soon be collected by the IRS and shared with other federal agencies as part of Obamacare will also be linked to the E-Verify system.

Those who dismiss these concerns as paranoid should consider that the same charges were leveled at those who warned that the PATRIOT Act could lead to the government collecting our phone records and spying on our Internet usage. Just as the PATRIOT Act was only supposed to be used against terrorists but is now used to bypass constitutional protections in matters having noting to do with terrorism or national security, the national ID/mandatory E-Verify database will not only be used to prevent illegal immigrants from gaining employment. Instead, it will eventually be used as another tool to monitor and control the American people.

The recent revelations of the extent of National Security Agency (NSA) spying on Americans, plus recent stories of IRS targeting Tea Party and similar groups for special scrutiny, demonstrates the dangers of trusting government with this type of power. Creation of a federal database with photos and possibly other “biometric” information about American citizens is a great leap forward for the surveillance state. All Americans who still care about limited government and individual liberty should strongly oppose E-Verify.

http://www.the-free-foundation.org/tst7-1-2013.html

eduardo89
01-31-2014, 04:56 PM
E-Verify is the federal national identification system that was predicted in the Bible, among other places. It is against the US Constitution. It is against the Bible. Do all Christians oppose it? I'm not sure but I've never met a single Christian that supported it.

No, the Bible does not talk about E-Verify.

phill4paul
01-31-2014, 04:57 PM
It's not about Immigration.



http://heavenawaits.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/clip_image0024.jpg

http://kenraggio.com/Mark-Of-The-Beast-No-Man-Can-Buy-Or-Sell.jpg

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/immigration-reform-dossiers/
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Immigration-Reform-Biometric-Database/2013/05/12/id/504014
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/02/immigration-reform-could-lead-to-biometric-ids.html

How many sources do you want? ( I COULD POST DOZENS MORE)
The CFR Page has it as well,,
This is about getting the Often defeated REAL ID and Biometric Database.


rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrep.

Keith and stuff
01-31-2014, 05:00 PM
No, the Bible does not talk about E-Verify.

The mark of the beast? I've heard half a dozen Christians talk about this to me. Obviously, the Bible doesn't mention the word E-Verify but clearly... I mean like come on man.

For example, to the best of my knowledge everyone here opposed E-Verify.

eduardo89
01-31-2014, 05:05 PM
The mark of the beast? I've heard half a dozen Christians talk about this to me. Obviously, the Bible doesn't mention the word E-Verify but clearly...

Silly Protestants and their futurist interpretations of the Book of Revelations. Almost without exception this approach ignores the historical context of John's writing. For example, the book contains hundreds of references to Old Testament events and realities, including the Mosaic covenant, Temple worship, liturgical rites, and the prophetic writings of Ezekiel and Daniel. This is not to deny that the book of Revelation includes material about the end of time. It just does not do so as many American Protestants try to make it seem like it does.


If you want to push big government, that is your business. This is the RonPaulForums. This place isn't about big government. Let's stick with the focus.

Where was I pushing big government? All I was refuting was your incorrect Bible interoperation.


For example, everyone here opposed E-Verify.

Not everyone. I don't oppose E-Verify, but I do oppose it being mandatory.

Keith and stuff
01-31-2014, 05:10 PM
Not everyone. I don't oppose E-Verify, but I do oppose it being mandatory.

Fair enough. Everyone here opposes E-Verify as Speaker Boehner proposes it i.e. see the OP, as a mandatory program.

rpfocus
01-31-2014, 05:18 PM
The mark of the beast? I've heard half a dozen Christians talk about this to me. Obviously, the Bible doesn't mention the word E-Verify but clearly... If you want to push big government, that is your business. This is the RonPaulForums. This place isn't about big government. Let's stick with the focus.

For example, everyone here opposed E-Verify.

E-verify. The Mark of the Beast, eh? Hmmmm. I'm almost interested in hearing more just to see how far you go with that. Almost.

roho76
01-31-2014, 05:27 PM
Ok, so these are our principles now? Thanks, got it.

Keith and stuff
01-31-2014, 05:28 PM
E-verify. The Mark of the Beast, eh? Hmmmm. I'm almost interested in hearing more just to see how far you go with that. Almost.

I don't want to go anywhere with that. As a liberty lover, of course, I'm 100% opposed to E-Verify just as you and everyone else that even pretends to like liberty should be opposed, IMO! Not on my watch! Honestly, while I understand that the US Speaker of the House supports this evil program, I was shocked to learn that 17% of the NH House supports it. Shameful!

pcosmar
01-31-2014, 05:44 PM
Right but my whole point is that NOTHING has been done..

What do you mean "nothing has been done".?

A Lot has been done.. And a lot of money spent.

There were camps built in the 80s,, and refurbished in since.. Millions in contracts.. The Police State has grown.
There are random Roadblocks hundred of miles from the border.

lots and lots done.

rpfocus
01-31-2014, 05:47 PM
I don't want to go anywhere with that. As a liberty lover, of course, I'm 100% opposed to E-Verify just as you and everyone else that even pretends to like liberty is opposed! Not on my watch! Honestly, while I understand that the US Speaker of the House supports this evil program, I was shocked to learn that 17% of the NH House supports it. Shameful!

Well don't speak for me, I don't have a problem with E-verify. And if it leads to some of the 12 million finding their way back to their home countries, I'm all for it.

rpfocus
01-31-2014, 05:49 PM
What do you mean "nothing has been done".?

A Lot has been done.. And a lot of money spent.

There were camps built in the 80s,, and refurbished in since.. Millions in contracts.. The Police State has grown.
There are random Roadblocks hundred of miles from the border.

lots and lots done.

And yet we now have 12 million illegal immigrants in the country. That's what I mean by nothing. Nothing that has resulted in a noticeable decrease in the number of people in the country illegally.

Keith and stuff
01-31-2014, 05:55 PM
Well don't speak for me, I don't have a problem with E-verify. And if it leads to some of the 12 million finding their way back to their home countries, I'm all for it.

Just like Ron Paul and every other liberty activist in the nation I would hope, Rand Paul is obviously opposed to E-Verify. I have yet to met even a single person (in person) that even pretends to like liberty that is even partly supportive of the E-Verify national ID system.

Rand Paul's beef with immigration reform bill: the E-Verify system
A photo-based E-Verify system for checking workers' legal status – a key part of the Senate immigration reform bill – does not mesh well with the libertarian leanings of Sen. Rand Paul (R). His worry: a 'national ID.'
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0524/Rand-Paul-s-beef-with-immigration-reform-bill-the-E-Verify-system
By David Grant, Staff writer / May 24, 2013

pcosmar
01-31-2014, 06:12 PM
Silly Protestants and their futurist interpretations of the Book of Revelations.

Oh you silly Romans,, always commanding that everyone be counted. Tell me,, Why did Mary and Joseph travel to Bethlehem?

And those verses you wish to ignore are rather significant.

And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God,

Now,, this may not be tattooed on yet,, but it is a precursor.

And it Has been rejected,, repeatedly. and keeps being proposed,, Repeatedly.

pcosmar
01-31-2014, 06:16 PM
And yet we now have 12 million illegal immigrants in the country. That's what I mean by nothing. Nothing that has resulted in a noticeable decrease in the number of people in the country illegally.

Sure there is.. Same as they did before. Amnesty.

Poof,,they aren't illegal anymore.
Which this bill also does. ;)

jkr
01-31-2014, 06:17 PM
Who the hell is going to primary John Boehner? This guy is just a sobing Nancy Pelosi.

HE RAN UNOPPOSED LAST TIME

and 5% wrote in themselves...AND there are 2 challengers answering ?'s on that OTHER ron paul website

Brian4Liberty
01-31-2014, 06:44 PM
From Thomas M. Facebook:


Today I met with the NKY Chamber of Commerce.
...
We discussed the Brent Spence Bridge, immigration, the farm bill, and the inside baseball of DC.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.746322055391961.1073741888.452480994776070&type=1

bunklocoempire
01-31-2014, 07:01 PM
Ok, so these are our principles now? Thanks, got it.

lol!

"Ommm So saith the Ooo-range conser-VA-tive oommmm"

I just hope he checked with Beck.

RandallFan
02-01-2014, 07:24 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/01/31/on_immigration_what_are_the_republicans_thinking_1 21423.html


When you get past the top tier of recruits -- the Mike Rounds and Shelley Capitos of the world -- and get into the more marginal seats that could fall for Democrats in a wave election, you start to get into candidates like Ken Buck. People have almost written Buck off, but I haven’t; while I think there are smarter choices for the Colorado GOP, he barely lost in 2010, and conditions for Democrats are no better right now than they were in 2010. There’s a similar crop of candidates in second-tier House races. The last thing the leadership wants is another crop of Ted Cruzes and Rand Pauls in the Senate, nor does it want another dozen Tea Partiers in the House.

Keith and stuff
02-01-2014, 07:34 PM
Sorry for some of the things I said yesterday. I modified 3 posts. The things I said about how every liberty lover is opposed to E-Verify were wrong. I'm know aware of at least 2 that like it.

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