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DamianTV
01-28-2014, 05:41 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_24979753/san-jose-police-would-tap-into-residents-private?nstrack=sid:11703429|met:0000300|cat:0|ord er:1&source=dailyme
http://www.infowars.com/authorities-want-remote-access-to-californians-home-cctv-footage-for-the-greater-good/


A rather Orwellian council proposal in California would see police able to remotely access the feeds from home security cameras in San Jose, for the good of society.

The idea, forwarded by City Councilman Sam Liccardo, calls for citizens to volunteer their own CCTV systems, registering them with local law enforcement, so police can monitor whatever the cameras are trained on.

While the proposal suggests that police would have access to the cameras after a crime, remote accessibility means that cops could potentially monitor camera feeds in real time, which would amount to a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

The proposal is a desperate response to surging crime rates in the city. The idea came about after local business owners volunteered CCTV footage following a series of arson crimes in a downtown district.

“It became apparent that there’s a lot of evidence out there that residents want to provide,” Liccardo said, adding that costs would be limited because the security systems are privately operated.

Liccardo also suggested that a camera database would be compiled and maintained by existing city officials. The new database “is something that costs very little but could have a big impact in making San Jose safer.” the councilor said.

San Jose’s independent police auditor, retired judge LaDoris Cordell, lauded the idea, calling it a logical step and stating “You tend to behave when the cameras are on you.” Dismissing the notion that the proposed system would represent an “intrusion on privacy,” Cordell instead described it as allowing residents to “know what’s going on in their neighborhood.”

Electronic Frontier Foundation attorney Hanni Fakhoury, noted that the proposed system is wide open to abuse. “Once you give the police unfettered access 24/7, you’re relying on them to exercise their restraint.” Fakhoury said.

“To me the really interesting and troublesome part of it is the way we are starting to privatize government surveillance — to enlist private citizens in a way that is kind of unprecedented and could be potentially really dangerous.” the attorney added.

The proposal is not limited to San Jose, cities such as Philadelphia and Chicago, as well as towns such as nearby Los Gatos and Monte Sereno have already launched similar systems of surveillance.

Officer Catherine Mann of the Los Gatos/Monte Sereno Police Department said “We haven’t had any negative responses, once we get it out to them that this is not a ‘Big Brother’ ” situation. “We’re not sitting around watching live videos from their home.” she added.

Police in San Jose say they are exploring the “merits of the idea”, which is set to be discussed by a City Council committee this week.


Liccardo dismissed the idea that the proposal was politically motivated, saying it's about protecting residents.

Cameras in your house are HERE.

First, it will be Voluntary. Then it will be Mandatory. Then you will be charged with "Resisting Arrest without Violence" and disappeared.

tangent4ronpaul
01-28-2014, 06:01 PM
The total number of cameras in London is insane. More than anywhere else. Number of crimes or terrorist events those cameras have prevented? One.

Add facial recognition and your pings off cell towers and you have real time tracking of a persons movements. Their habits and things they would rather remain private. That's pretty creepy.

-t

DamianTV
01-28-2014, 06:05 PM
Crackdown by Camera isnt here yet. Their Cameras arent there there to keep anyone safe, they are there for the inevitable Crackdown on EVERYTHING. Fined heavily for not brushing and flossing twice daily is just around the corner. Protection from Terrorists? Nonexistent because the Real Terrorists are the ones on the other side of the Cameras.

moostraks
01-28-2014, 06:07 PM
IIRC this exact same idea has been floated here in Warren, Ohio. Police stirred a hornet's nest when they shot and killed a guy. Gangs struck back. Shut things down around here somewhat and this idea was floated on at least a few local articles. I will move if this gets rammed through. Interesting to see it proposed elsewhere and methinks that means this is the next need on "their" agenda.

aGameOfThrones
01-28-2014, 06:10 PM
Home CCTV system captures police beating.... err the video recording was lost.

tangent4ronpaul
01-28-2014, 06:22 PM
Home CCTV system captures police beating.... err the video recording was lost.

They do tapes in the neighborhood as a normal investigative tool. What they are doing here is tying cameras in live time to a monitoring station. It has actually been proven that when cops are forced to have on cameras that they can't turn off, they behave better.

Oh, and I think NYC already did the tye in all surveillance cameras thing.

-t

Origanalist
01-28-2014, 06:35 PM
Officer Catherine Mann of the Los Gatos/Monte Sereno Police Department said “We haven’t had any negative responses, once we get it out to them that this is not a ‘Big Brother’ ” situation. “We’re not sitting around watching live videos from their home.” she added.

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Carson
01-28-2014, 07:18 PM
Alien captured on CCTV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npM-tWbyyiI

DamianTV
01-28-2014, 07:21 PM
Officer Catherine Mann of the Los Gatos/Monte Sereno Police Department said “We haven’t had any negative responses, once we get it out to them that this is not a ‘Big Brother’ ” situation. “We’re not sitting around watching live videos from their home.” she added.

How is this NOT Big Brother? Your CCTV Cameras are often INSIDE YOUR HOUSE as well. And they want access to ALL the Cameras. Your Cell Phone Camera. Your XBox Kinect Camera. Your Smart TV Camera. Your Webcam on your Computer. ALL without Warrants, or restrictions on the Govt so they can impose their restrictions on YOU.

I dont care what they say, this is ULTIMATE BIG BROTHER. The only thing left is to be required to be Chipped.

Occam's Banana
01-28-2014, 08:10 PM
“It became apparent that there’s a lot of evidence out there that residents want to provide,” Liccardo said, adding that costs would be limited because the security systems are privately operated.

IOW: "We are graciously willing to allow the particular individuals we intend to spy upon the privelege of paying for the very systems we will use to spy on them ..."

Origanalist
01-28-2014, 08:14 PM
IOW: "We are graciously willing to allow the particular individuals we intend to spy upon the privelege of paying for the very systems we will use to spy on them ..."

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2TGgV8TVMLj-h4XURtRU2IrP71WmBcpGRdKJcuKgzbNFYgPqEWA

Teenager For Ron Paul
01-28-2014, 08:15 PM
"The greater good" damn, THAT hasn't been used to justify any injustice before.

Anti Federalist
01-28-2014, 08:51 PM
San Jose’s independent police auditor, retired judge LaDoris Cordell, lauded the idea, calling it a logical step and stating “You tend to behave when the cameras are on you.” Dismissing the notion that the proposed system would represent an “intrusion on privacy,” Cordell instead described it as allowing residents to “know what’s going on in their neighborhood

Behind Winston's back the voice from the telescreen was still babbling away
about pig-iron and the overfulfilment of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. The
telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston
made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it,
moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal
plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard.

There was, of course, no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment.

How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual
wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all
the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted
to.

You had to live--did live, from habit that became instinct--in the
assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and every movement scrutinized.

DamianTV
01-28-2014, 09:14 PM
Behind Winston's back the voice from the telescreen was still babbling away
about pig-iron and the overfulfilment of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. The
telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston
made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it,
moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal
plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard.

There was, of course, no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment.

How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual
wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all
the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted
to.

You had to live--did live, from habit that became instinct--in the
assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and every movement scrutinized.

A quote straight out of the book. I owe you a +Rep. Anyone who could not immediately identify what book that excerpt came from isnt paying attention.

Brian4Liberty
01-28-2014, 09:27 PM
A local radio host was ranting about how great an idea this was, and that no one could possibly oppose it.

DamianTV
01-28-2014, 09:40 PM
A local radio host was ranting about how great an idea this was, and that no one could possibly oppose it.

Exactly why the Radio Host has a job and I dont.

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Of course, if you flip the channel, is there anyone in MSM talking about this who think this just very well may be Big Brother?

DamianTV
01-29-2014, 03:05 AM
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DamianTV
01-29-2014, 08:08 PM
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(last bump)

Apparently nobody cares about Govt Cameras in their houses, but when it comes to Angry Birds...

GunnyFreedom
01-29-2014, 08:27 PM
Behind Winston's back the voice from the telescreen was still babbling away
about pig-iron and the overfulfilment of the Ninth Three-Year Plan. The
telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston
made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it,
moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal
plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard.

There was, of course, no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment.

How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual
wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all
the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted
to.

You had to live--did live, from habit that became instinct--in the
assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and every movement scrutinized.

They are only slightly behind schedule. In my head I heard "schedule" after the British fashion...

Anti Federalist
01-29-2014, 11:04 PM
They are only slightly behind schedule. In my head I heard "schedule" after the British fashion...

SHED-joo-AWL

Anti Federalist
01-29-2014, 11:06 PM
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(last bump)

Apparently nobody cares about Govt Cameras in their houses, but when it comes to Angry Birds...

Burn out, even among people like us.

Pretty much a given we're under 24/7 government surveillance, I think we're just waiting for the disappearances and boxcars now.

FindLiberty
01-30-2014, 12:00 AM
Nothing to fear unless you have something to hide... lol

DamianTV
01-30-2014, 02:21 AM
Nothing to fear unless you have something to hide... lol

Must be why Govt hides its secrets from us, but we are allowed none.

Origanalist
01-30-2014, 08:26 AM
Burn out, even among people like us.

Pretty much a given we're under 24/7 government surveillance, I think we're just waiting for the disappearances and boxcars now.

There is that definitely. The steady, non stop torrent of bad news on the surveillance issue gets mind numbing sometimes, That and threads where most everyone is on the same page here tend to be shorter, so I have noticed anyway.

Damian, make one about a transgendered male giving birth to sextuplets while living with a 14 year old sex toy and you will have a real barn burner...........

tod evans
01-30-2014, 08:45 AM
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(last bump)

Apparently nobody cares about Govt Cameras in their houses, but when it comes to Angry Birds...


No cameras, no birds........:o