Tarpley: Snowden CIA

[Danke]

The operations of secret intelligence agencies aiming at the manipulation of public opinion generally involve a combination of cynical deception with the pathetic gullibility of the targeted populations.


There is ample reason to believe that the case of Edward Joseph Snowden fits into this pattern. We are likely dealing here with a limited hangout operation, in which carefully selected and falsified documents and other materials are deliberately revealed by an insider who pretends to be a fugitive rebelling against the excesses of some oppressive or dangerous government agency.

But the revelations turn out to have been prepared with a view to shaping the public consciousness in a way which is advantageous to the intelligence agency involved. At the same time, gullible young people can be duped into supporting a personality cult of the leaker, more commonly referred to as a “whistleblower.” A further variation on the theme can be the attempt of the sponsoring intelligence agency to introduce their chosen conduit, now posing as a defector, into the intelligence apparatus of a targeted foreign government. In this case, the leaker or whistleblower attains the status of a triple agent.

Any attempt to educate public opinion about the dynamics of limited hangout operations inevitably collides with the residue left in the minds of millions by recent successful examples of this technique. It will be hard for many to understand Snowden, precisely because they will insist on seeing him as the latest courageous example in a line of development which includes Daniel Ellsberg and Julian Assange, both still viewed by large swaths of naïve opinion as authentic challengers of oppressive government.

This is because the landmark limited hangout operation at the beginning of the current post-Cold War era was that of Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon papers, which laid the groundwork for the CIA’s Watergate attack on the Nixon administration, and more broadly, on the office of the presidency itself. More recently, we have had the case of Assange and Wikileaks. Using these two cases primarily, we can develop a simple typology of the limited hangout operation which can be of significant value to those striving to avoid the role of useful idiots amidst the current cascade of whistleblowers and limited hangout artists. (cont.)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/18/309609/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout-op/

[FindLiberty]

Thanks Danke! This is an interesting WGT article.

[Warlord]

I dont believe Tarpley and thought about it a lot. I've even argued with members here and came to the conclusion I was wrong.

[CPUd]

Isn't this the same guy who said Ron Paul promotes genocide by wanting to end welfare?

[donnay]

As a general rule I don't particularly follow Tarpley's stuff but this has me saying, "Hmm..."

I would add this--Sibel Edmonds has brought up some other interesting aspects.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/12/11/bfp-breaking-news-omidyars-paypal-corporation-said-to-be-implicated-in-withheld-nsa-documents/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OCs-x8N47A&feature=youtu.be

[Warlord]

Isn't this the same guy who said Ron Paul promotes genocide by wanting to end welfare?

Sounds like something he would say. He's a Marxist.

[MRK]

Many people who were already familiar with the limited hangout operations the CIA conducts were already aware of this possibility back in June when the Snowden case started to blow up.

it is extraordinary that Snowden was able to escape from Hawaii to Hong Kong. It is also extraordinary that he was able to aggregate all of that data through social engineering other analysts in the agency by telling them he needed their passwords for systems administration work.

However I think Snowden has since maligned the very moral structure that the CIA/NSA/US intelligence agencies stand so gravely that I believe that this was either not a limited hangout or a very poorly calculated one.

Also, I think a limited hangout would have dropped all the documents instantly so that a new scandal wouldn't be slowdrip-released every 2-4 weeks. A new headline-grappling scandal gets released more than once a month about the NSA. The NSA issue will be on the public's mind long-term now. This is destroying all credibility they had on the issues. More people are aware more than ever before. People now care who didn't care before. Nearly the whole community at news.ycombinator.com has turned on the NSA.

That being said, the possibility of a limited hangout cannot be ruled out.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Why would it necessarily be bad if Snowden were CIA? In his own words, he took the jobs he did to get the information and release it. Why would joining the CIA for the same reasons be any different? If anything, it'd make him a bigger stud.

Furthermore, assuming anything that anyone does is somehow connected to an omnipotent force controlling everything is self-defeating - if the government is so all-powerful, why are you fighting it? If that point has been reached, it's too late, especially for lame political games.

[jtstellar]

Why would it necessarily be bad if Snowden were CIA? In his own words, he took the jobs he did to get the information and release it. Why would joining the CIA for the same reasons be any different? If anything, it'd make him a bigger stud.

Furthermore, assuming anything that anyone does is somehow connected to an omnipotent force controlling everything is self-defeating - if the government is so all-powerful, why are you fighting it? If that point has been reached, it's too late, especially for lame political games.

no, the point you should be asking is if human beings can be so consciously coordinated while wielding such power, then the entire libertarian theory of decentralization is better and spontaneous action creates best efficiency will be totally negated, hence we would be on the wrong boat to begin with, and don't worry about what others do that seem lame in your eyes, that's hardly a measuring stick

[willwash]

I fail to see how the release of the documents Snowden released is in any way beneficial to the NSA or anyone who supports a surveillance state/government spying.

[Grubb556]

I fail to see how the release of the documents Snowden released is in any way beneficial to the NSA or anyone who supports a surveillance state/government spying.

I don't think you realize how many people actually think Snowden is traitor and the NSA keep us safe from the terrorists.

[surf]

The operations of secret intelligence agencies aiming at the manipulation of public opinion generally involve a combination of cynical deception with the pathetic gullibility of the targeted populations.

There is ample reason to believe that the case of Edward Joseph Snowden fits into this pattern. We are likely dealing here with a limited hangout operation, in which carefully selected and falsified documents and other materials are deliberately revealed by an insider who pretends to be a fugitive rebelling against the excesses of some oppressive or dangerous government agency. f#ck this. dude's a hero.

[FindLiberty]

Hero survival tip: Avoid the Polonium Tea

[specsaregood]

f#ck this. dude's a hero.

Indeed; makes me think that perhaps these folk are actually the ones working for the govt... not snowden.

[TaftFan]

Why do people give Tarpley any attention and I have no idea why anyone would listen to Iranian propaganda.

[kcchiefs6465]

I don't think you realize how many people actually think Snowden is traitor and the NSA keep us safe from the terrorists.
They thought that way anyways.

[BucksforPaul]

I would like to know Zippy's opinion on this issue and then I will believe the opposite.

[donnay]

I would like to know Zippy's opinion on this issue and then I will believe the opposite.

LOL!

[ClydeCoulter]

I fail to see how the release of the documents Snowden released is in any way beneficial to the NSA or anyone who supports a surveillance state/government spying.

To make people be careful. Even if they don't have the capabilities that are said to exist, people will be more careful (all over the world).

[Danke]

Why do people give Tarpley any attention and I have no idea why anyone would listen to Iranian propaganda.

Did you read the article? Yes he may believe in the government involvement in parts of our lives. Socialist or "Marxist" as Eduardo describes him. But his take on historical event is nonetheless interesting. How about everyone address that?

[Petar]

Did you read the article? Yes he may believe in the government involvement in parts of our lives. Socialist or "Marxist" as Eduardo describes him. But his take on historical event is nonetheless interesting. How about everyone address that?

It's all a bunch of kaka man.

[Danke]

It's all a bunch of kaka man.

You must be the only young male in Brazil on the Internet at this hour. So much for passing along those great genes of grandpa.

Hopefully you have some brothers.

[Petar]

You must be the only young male in Brazil on the Internet at this hour. So much for passing along those great genes of grandpa.

Hopefully you have some brothers.

It's 5:18 am and I have to go to work in 45 minutes. Who knows how many hot Brazilian women I may inadvertently impregnate on my way there. Have fun freezing your useless balls off in Minnesota.

[Petar]

Bullshit aside, limited hangouts are real IMO.

I think that if Snowden is that type of a Psi-Op, then they sure do seem to be doing it wrong in this case.

I've always been really suspicious of Adam Kokesh, even with the jail sentence looming, would not be the first time that someone under deep cover was also sent to prison for some time in order to build up their perceived credibility...

[fearthereaperx]

I think Tarpley is a limited hangout artist.

The problem with Snowden being a triple agent is that the CIA rarely, if ever, puts out their agents in the limelight. Usually, they work behind the scenery in case they get found out and not have to deal with the fallout of that episode. And they don't have to worry about routinely passing lie detector tests as well.

With all the many tens of thousands of government intelligence workers and with Ron Paul breaking the mainstream back in 2007, it's not unreasonable to assume that someone(Snowden)--a known Paul donator--would ride the fever pitch freedom wave and attempt something like this.

[Danke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9J_0Xfj0n0