Riots in the Ukraine: cell phone message to protestors via the gov't!

[Deborah K]

Anyone see much news coverage of this? This is serious shit!


Maybe the Most Orwellian Text Message a Government's Ever Sent

“Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

That's a text message that thousands of Ukrainian protesters spontaneously received on their cell phones today, as a new law prohibiting public demonstrations went into effect. It was the regime's police force, sending protesters the perfectly dystopian text message to accompany the newly minted, perfectly dystopian legislation. In fact, it's downright Orwellian (and I hate that adjective, and only use it when absolutely necessary, I swear).

But that's what this is: it's technology employed to detect noncompliance, to hone in on dissent. The NY Times reports that the "Ukrainian government used telephone technology to pinpoint the locations of cell phones in use near clashes between riot police officers and protesters early on Tuesday." Near. Using a cell phone near a clash lands you on the regime's hit list.

See, Kiev is tearing itself to shreds right now, but since we're kind of burned out on protests, riots, and revolutions at the moment, it's being treated as below-the-fold news. Somehow, the fact that over a million people are marching, camping out, and battling with Ukraine's increasingly authoritarian government is barely making a ripple behind such blockbuster news bits as bridge closures and polar vortexes. Yes, even though protesters are literally building catapaults and wearing medieval armor and manning flaming dump trucks.

more here:

http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/blog/maybe-the-most-orwellian-text-message-ever-sent



and this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h22oHs3eiLg

[Czolgosz]

Ha ha.

[angelatc]

If the only defense the government has is a stern message via a text message, they're golden.

[torchbearer]

they need more fluoride in their water.

[Tod]

Those guys catching fire.....splash from a molatov cocktail?

[Origanalist]

Anyone see much news coverage of this? This is serious shit!



and this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h22oHs3eiLg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1322585!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/cops20n-5.jpg

https://www.altoonamirror.com/photos/news/md/570858_1.jpg

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/media/full/jpg/2013/04/19/boston21.jpg

[Deborah K]

If the only defense the government has is a stern message via a text message, they're golden.

How in the f'k did the gov't know just exactly who was at the protest??? I dunno, in my pea-brain, that is taking technology a bit too far for my liking. Hope the DHS doesn't get any wise ideas.

[Deborah K]

Those guys catching fire.....splash from a molatov cocktail?

From the article:

".... protesters are literally building catapaults and wearing medieval armor and manning flaming dump trucks."

[Occam's Banana]

How in the f'k did the gov't know just exactly who was at the protest???

IIUC, cell phones that are turned on are constantly "pinging" (or being "pinged" by ?) nearby cell towers.


[...] the "Ukrainian government used telephone technology to pinpoint the locations of cell phones in use near clashes between riot police officers and protesters [...]


[...] protesters are literally building catapaults and wearing medieval armor and manning flaming dump trucks.

Flaming dump trucks iz some serious bidness ...

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/c0/c0f6cd188a97ba1790e636f138e32b83ea92928f330a532e98 fe2eba10c4ad7f.jpg

[Deborah K]

IIUC, cell phones that are turned are constantly "pinging" (or being "pinged" by ?) nearby cell towers.





Flaming dump trucks iz some serious bidness ...

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/c0/c0f6cd188a97ba1790e636f138e32b83ea92928f330a532e98 fe2eba10c4ad7f.jpg

I really need to quit skimming articles and actually READ them.

[Pericles]

If the only defense the government has is a stern message via a text message, they're golden.

Yeah, like if you know who I am and what I'm doing, why don't you just come on over here and kick my ass, rather than sending me a text.

Maybe you don't want to get shot, or something more painful ....

[Origanalist]

From the article:

".... protesters are literally building catapaults and wearing medieval armor and manning flaming dump trucks."

http://i.imgur.com/443kaiq.jpg

[juleswin]

When Dealing With EU Hypocrites in Ukraine
When Dealing With EU Hypocrites in Ukraine

The Fourth Reich is at it again. The hypocrites of the Fourth Reich are once more demasked. There is a very long line of incidents that show the EU for what it really is, a wicked, expansionist dream of Hitler, growing with cash so far, instead of guns, but more than willing to use brute force as needed. A long line of incidents that points to how we should treat with these tyrants with big PR budgets.
We will go to the Eurozone, where no national referendums were held to determine if people populating these nations ever wanted to walk into the meat grinder of the Euro.

Then there was the farce vote for the Euro Constitution. All countries where the initial vote involved a voter referendum, such as Ireland, UK, France and Denmark, failed it, while the others, with a hand picked oligarchial "parliament" easily passed this 300+ page legalese monstrosity. Since it required all member states to agree, a revote was held, this one strictly in parliaments, well except in Ireland, where the Constitution specified referendum. So they voted and voted and between each vote, the EU fascists bought out one or two additional key groups until they got the results they wanted.

Then there was the issue of the US missiles in Poland. Polish referendums showed a clear 68% majority against deployments. Luckily for the Polish "democrats", during the US urged Georgian instigated August 2008 war, the Americans threw the local elites $30 billion and off we went to the missile race. Obviously that money got shared around the EU elites in general, as none had an issue with this travesty of so called democracy. But then again, all the EU spy agencies were on the US payroll, betraying their people on a daily basis, so why should anyone be surprised?

Fast forward through a few dozen scandals, where the EU turned Greece, Cyprus and Italy into vassal states, controlling the first two's finances directly and installing puppet rulers in Italy, in breach of all democratic principles...surprised, right?

Then the EU, hiding behind the guise of NATO, destroyed the nation of Libya, led again by the French, turning the first nation of N.Africa into a murderous hellhole of chaos and clashing clans. They, along with the Americans, have backed one Islamic jihadist group after another, across the region, and were barely stopped from committing genocide in Syria.

Then the French population got Gay Marriage, even though 80% of the French were against it, what their president gave them in addition was tear gas, batons and water cannons. For some reason the same elite that is "powerless" to stop marauding Islamic gangs from terrorizing and murdering French citizens in frenzies of destruction, have no problem in crushing their own native citizens. Go figure. EU "democracy".

Along comes Snowden. The EU fascists claimed that they respected human rights, that is, until the UK's Guardian published Snowden's files and the UK MI5 burst into their offices and used power drills to destroy hard drives and servers that they believed contained the information and used KGB tactics to detain relatives and lovers of the journalists.

So no surprise that the Greek puppets of these Fascists went after the Golden Dawn party that holds some 20% of the parliament of Greece, with the aim to physically and judicially destroy these political upstarts. It has gotten so bad that Greek communist assassins are shooting down members of Golden Dawn in cold blood, while its leadership sits in jail on trumped up charges. Should it be of any surprise that the puppets of Brussels are doing nothing to find the assassins?

The actions against the Golden Dawn are ierly parallel to those of the UK against the British National Party and that of the Dutch against Geert Wilder.

And now we come to Ukraine. The EU, after playing every card it had, including holding the money of the Ukrainian elites hostage, has lost this major round of the fight for Ukraine. It is of course "outraged" that Russia is playing its own game and better than the EU.

The hypocrites of the EU are screaming mad, demanding that Russia stop its evil ways, even as it itself launches itself on a course to create a new colour revolution in Kiev. Instantly the tents, slogans and salaried student protesters show up, while Lithuania starts to threaten to close the border with Russia to Russian transport to our Kalinengrad.

One Financial Times article had the gaul to demand that the EU "help" Ukraine escape from us Russians.

Ladies and Gentlemen, lets face reality, we are in an undeclared Cold War with the tyrants of Brussels, thus Berlin. We need to realize and start acting as such. This is a zero sum game. As such, it is time that Russia started assisting EU vassals to escape from the EU. Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania and Iceland are all prime candidates. It is time we gave them their own colour revolutions by supporting oppressed political and Christian religious movements.

Equally, it is time that not the EU but that we, through Gazprom, weened ourselves off of Europe. That gas should be providing next to free energy for our own use and for our industry, not feeding the pockets of Gazprom elites and their EU partners. Did you know Gazprom is the owner of a large amusement park in Germany, that it built...yet in its own native Russia, our Russia, we do not have a single modern or large amusement park. If Gazprom's Miller feels more German than Russian, by all means, get the bloody hell out.

Time Russia turned inward for its needs and let the Euros freeze this winter or suckle up to their new Arab Islamic masters and when the peasants have had enough and take up pitchforks, we must be there to give them aid.

That is how one deals with the Brussels post-Christian barbarians.

http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com/2013/11/when-dealing-with-eu-hypocrites-in.html

The protestors in Ukraine are not some kind of revolutionaries in a quest for freedom. They are just offended that their govt picked a more benevolent master in Russia than the more wicked, thieving and murderous one in EU. The media laughs at the restraint from these govt officials because they truly want to see a big killing of these violent protestors so they can write on about how evil the Ukraine govt is.

Knowing who these people are, what their agenda is and how they are not afraid to use violence to achieve that goal, I absolutely wouldn't give a shit if the police unleashed hell on them. That is if they can ensure that the US and NATO wouldn't over reach with a Serbian style invasion of the country.

[Acala]

Those molotov cocktails were working pretty well. I'm impressed.

[Deborah K]

http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com/2013/11/when-dealing-with-eu-hypocrites-in.html

The protestors in Ukraine are not some kind of revolutionaries in a quest for freedom. They are just offended that their govt picked a more benevolent master in Russia than the more wicked, thieving and murderous one in EU. The media laughs at the restraint from these govt officials because they truly want to see a big killing of these violent protestors so they can write on about how evil the Ukraine govt is.

Knowing who these people are, what their agenda is and how they are not afraid to use violence to achieve that goal, I absolutely wouldn't give a shit if the police unleashed hell on them. That is if they can ensure that the US and NATO wouldn't over reach with a Serbian style invasion of the country.

Did I read this right? The protestors are paid for?

[juleswin]

Did I read this right? The protestors are paid for?

Most likely and medieval armor doesn't come cheap anywhere. The EU these people are supporting is a big tyrant who I have no doubt is ready to use money and violence to achieve their goal of conquest.

[Natural Citizen]

Anyone see much news coverage of this? This is serious shit!



It's been on RT non stop. The reporters are among the mob too. Close-ups of police beating the hell out of protesters and then protesters opening up some woop ass on the cops. It's a hoot alright.

A lot of the reporting has been added to their youtube....quite a few are posted... https://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaToday/videos



Here's just one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EH4KRGzhhQ

[Seraphim]

The DHS is far more advanced than that.


How in the f'k did the gov't know just exactly who was at the protest??? I dunno, in my pea-brain, that is taking technology a bit too far for my liking. Hope the DHS doesn't get any wise ideas.

[2young2vote]

To be honest, I haven't heard of this at all. From reading a few articles it looks to me that they are upset their government is pursuing better relations with Russia rather than the EU. I guess I have to pull a Hillary and ask: at that point, what difference does it make? They aren't exactly becoming more free either way...

[Natural Citizen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI7IIUsoEFQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkzi6-zz55M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsCxpUYHfJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH5sDDh71WE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVg64InmYQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a81D45uEXKQ

[Philhelm]

From the article:

".... protesters are literally building catapaults and wearing medieval armor and manning flaming dump trucks."

I took note of that. Oh, how I wish I could take command of such an army.

[Natural Citizen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4u2xpzcmDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMyqqauACc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KeUOBKfgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEKviJYIlJ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhBk8V-6seo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V_Utg-xFes

[Natural Citizen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KAInPGqQQI

[2young2vote]

Here is the live feed I'm watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrZcAsPKK74

Looks like they are preparing for something. They are handing out helmets and arming themselves with clubs.

[Nastynate]

To be honest, I haven't heard of this at all. From reading a few articles it looks to me that they are upset their government is pursuing better relations with Russia rather than the EU. I guess I have to pull a Hillary and ask: at that point, what difference does it make? They aren't exactly becoming more free either way...

These protests remind me of the Egyptian protests. These people just want something different, they're fed up with what they have and are trying to change it but in no real direction that will change much of anything.

[HOLLYWOOD]

These protests remind me of the Egyptian protests. These people just want something different, they're fed up with what they have and are trying to change it but in no real direction that will change much of anything.If this happened anywhere in the U.S., the POLICE STATE would be filling those protestors and those Molotov cocktail throwers full of lead.

A dental assistant made some wrong turns and panicked... the POLICE STATE filled her full of lead and the House of Representatives gave the murdering POLICE STATE a Standing Ovation.

[gwax23]

Look like the brink of a civil war. Imagine if they had the right to bear arms....

[Jamesiv1]

damn. Can someone nutshell this situation for me? or point me to a good overview article?

this is some crazy shit.

Justin Bieber, indeed....

[Natural Citizen]

damn. Can someone nutshell this situation for me? or point me to a good overview article?

this is some crazy shit.

Justin Bieber, indeed....


Latest update...

Ukrainian opposition, government agree to ceasefire (http://rt.com/news/ukraine-protest-talks-opposition-103/)


This has been going on for a very long time. Months.

Scuffles with police as thousands of Ukrainians protest shelving of EU trade deal (http://rt.com/news/ukraine-protest-eu-deal-229/) - (nutshell)

Just search keyword "Ukranians" on the link I have here and you'll be able to follow the complete time line. There are hundreds of reports.

http://rt.com/files/news/21/42/50/00/ukraine-5.jpghttp://rt.com/files/news/21/42/50/00/rian_02325867.hr.en.jpghttp://rt.com/files/news/21/42/50/00/000_par7723382.jpghttp://rt.com/files/news/21/42/50/00/rian_02325869.hr.ru.jpg

[juleswin]

damn. Can someone nutshell this situation for me? or point me to a good overview article?

this is some crazy shit.

Justin Bieber, indeed....

Try this, it also has background info on the crisis with all the players, motivations and strategies used.

http://www.currentconcerns.ch/index.php?id=2592

[LibForestPaul]

From the Ukrainians (white russians) I know, the relationship with Russia is quite "strange". It is understandable why the true Ukrainians want nothing to do with Russia. But, sometimes have to play ball with the big Gorilla.

[fr33]

Police undress protester and make him pose for pictures:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0zD3pOG-Tk

[AngryCanadian]

Police undress protester and make him pose for pictures:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0zD3pOG-Tk


Beware of social engineers. Remember the propaganda and staged propaganda by the Muslim Brotherhood and their fake videos?

Al-Jazeera is accused of pro-Muslim Brotherhood broadcast of fake street death (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/21/al-jazeera-accused-pro-muslim-brotherhood-broadcas/)

We still haven't the actual video of the police stripping the man so how do we know they stripped him?

[surf]

the US scheduled a football (soccer) friendly with Ukraine in the Ukraine on 3/5.... one of the last chances to play prior to world cup so they'll probably make it happen. it's not in Kiev.

here's hoping they cancel so we can have Evans and Dempsey available for the Sounders season opener.

[fr33]

Beware of social engineers. Remember the propaganda and staged propaganda by the Muslim Brotherhood and their fake videos?

Al-Jazeera is accused of pro-Muslim Brotherhood broadcast of fake street death (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/21/al-jazeera-accused-pro-muslim-brotherhood-broadcas/)

We still haven't the actual video of the police stripping the man so how do we know they stripped him?

Doesn't seem likely that it's a faked video. By most accounts the police aren't acting very ethical which should be no surprise. http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pravda.com.ua%2Frus%2Fnews%2F20 14%2F01%2F23%2F7010998%2F

[Pericles]

I took note of that. Oh, how I wish I could take command of such an army.

Might happen yet ....

[MRK]

How in the f'k did the gov't know just exactly who was at the protest??? I dunno, in my pea-brain, that is taking technology a bit too far for my liking. Hope the DHS doesn't get any wise ideas.

Each cell phone gives off GPS coordinates to the telecom provider. The state has access to all telecom providers' databases.

The protest zones could be defined as GPS ranges. Anyone who had a GPS location that fell within these ranges was identified. The text message was sent to the corresponding cell phone.

Yes this has hardly been in the Western news yet it has been happening for months. You probably haven't heard about the protests in Thailand or Cambodia either because they're just simply not mentioned. On Wednesday, Thailand just pretty much instituted martial law for 60 days, ending free speech and implementing targeted stops, searches and seizures.

[AngryCanadian]

Doesn't seem likely that it's a faked video. By most accounts the police aren't acting very ethical which should be no surprise. http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pravda.com.ua%2Frus%2Fnews%2F20 14%2F01%2F23%2F7010998%2F



Doesn't seem likely that it's a faked video.
Its staged its the same as in one. After Bosnia, Libya, Iraq Syria i am no longer fooled by these simple Hollywood tricks.


By most accounts the police aren't acting very ethical which should be no surprise.
Well you know what? nor arent the peaceful Pro EU protesters. By the way this protester was holding a racket.

Heres the same video making rounds the guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/23/ukraine-anti-government-protester-stripped-naked-police-video

Do we see him getting stripped Naked by the police? no we dont, the police were questioning him as they were putting him on the bus i dont see anything wrong with what the police did.

It seems the Ukrainian opposition wanted an reaction out of this one and a spread of fame while they got it.

[Brian4Liberty]

The DHS is far more advanced than that.

Beat me to it.

[DamianTV]

http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/blog/maybe-the-most-orwellian-text-message-ever-sent


“Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

http://lh3.ggpht.com/u5K_Xp_M7NDqPKGrNP3BC9Oxd808bjXyFvygqUcFpBWqLN0_fH lpzV8Ld8eM_531v_YcR0yN9lEPTgH7XqZxywX6FmoyQWL78U0= s630?ssitoken_1390553099895_
Ukraine's protests, now under cellphone surveillance. Image: Wikimedia

That's a text message that thousands of Ukrainian protesters spontaneously received on their cell phones today, as a new law prohibiting public demonstrations went into effect. It was the regime's police force, sending protesters the perfectly dystopian text message to accompany the newly minted, perfectly dystopian legislation. In fact, it's downright Orwellian (and I hate that adjective, and only use it when absolutely necessary, I swear).

But that's what this is: it's technology employed to detect noncompliance, to hone in on dissent. The NY Times reports that the "Ukrainian government used telephone technology to pinpoint the locations of cell phones in use near clashes between riot police officers and protesters early on Tuesday." Near. Using a cell phone near a clash lands you on the regime's hit list.

See, Kiev is tearing itself to shreds right now, but since we're kind of burned out on protests, riots, and revolutions at the moment, it's being treated as below-the-fold news. Somehow, the fact that over a million people are marching, camping out, and battling with Ukraine's increasingly authoritarian government is barely making a ripple behind such blockbuster news bits as bridge closures and polar vortexes. Yes, even though protesters are literally building catapaults and wearing medieval armor and manning flaming dump trucks.

Hopefully news of the nascent techno-security state will turn some heads—it's right out of 1984, or, more recently, Elysium: technology deployed to "detect" dissent. Again, this tech appears to be highly arbitrary; anyone near the protest is liable to be labeled a "participant," as if targeting protesters directly and so broadly wasn't bad enough in the first place.

It's further reminder that authoritarian regimes are exploiting the very technology once celebrated as a vehicle for liberation; last year, in Turkey, you'll recall, the state rounded up dissident Twitter users. Now, Ukraine is tracing the phone signal directly. Dictators have already proved plenty adept at pulling the plug on the internet altogether.

All of this puts lie to the lately-popular mythology that technology is inherently a liberating force—with the right hack, it can oppress just as easily.

Yes, this is in the Ukraine. They're just following our example. But they have the decency to let their people know, our govt does not.

[Anti Federalist]

Fail, the future is.

[Mani]

Well that's UKRAINE, that could never happen here, because our police are so friendly and loving. See this is what our police look like, they would never harm us:






http://www.pwrnewmedia.com/2012/build-a-bear-workshop/holiday/assets/police_curly_teddy_350.jpg




I swear sometimes I think that's how some of the public views the police.

[Scrapmo]

"Oh my, a thousand pardons. I had no earthly idea. Just let set this down and I will be on my way"

http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2014/01/20/21/51/IshbQ.St.4.jpeg

"Have a pleasant day gentlemen"

[Natural Citizen]

Ukrainian opposition rejects govt proposal, talks to continue (http://rt.com/news/ukraine-protest-talks-opposition-103/)

http://rt.com/files/news/21/f5/f0/00/24.jpg


Rioters also stormed governors’ offices in other western cities, including Zhytomer and Rovno. Another administration office was violently taken over by rioters in the western town of Ternopol.

Governor Oleg Salo was forced to sign a resignation letter which stated: “I ask to be freed of my duties.” He later retracted his statement, saying it is invalid since signed under pressure.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeqpImhCEAAvsjc.jpg:large


Video of protesters storming Zhytomer'sadministration building...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mlxGWBC7Yg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efNUCz2uGuQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7-UWEgi6o

[AngryCanadian]

Ukrainian opposition rejects govt proposal, talks to continue (http://rt.com/news/ukraine-protest-talks-opposition-103/)

http://rt.com/files/news/21/f5/f0/00/24.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeqpImhCEAAvsjc.jpg:large


Video of protesters storming Zhytomer'sadministration building...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mlxGWBC7Yg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efNUCz2uGuQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7-UWEgi6o


Doesn't sound that they are very peaceful. They are nothing but fascists.

[FindLiberty]

WTF? I don't want this crap happening here on the streets in the USA.

[silverhandorder]

Ukraine is on brink of civil war. East and south are all russian and they already threatening split if central government is overrun.

[MRK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ebudnWlh4

It can't happen here! They're collecting every American's telephone data for a good reason. CNN told me they're protecting us.

[phill4paul]

Lovely. Then it is just becomes a matter of identifying the phone numbers/users in the area and after the riots quit down then the fun and games of night time raids begin.

[WM_in_MO]

The fireworks are a nice touch

[Deborah K]

Fail, the future is.


http://i43.tinypic.com/4kekis.jpg

[AngryCanadian]

Ukraine is on brink of civil war. East and south are all russian and they already threatening split if central government is overrun.

If you want the Nazis to rule Ukraine again thats fine by me.

[Pericles]

Lovely. Then it is just becomes a matter of identifying the phone numbers/users in the area and after the riots quit down then the fun and games of night time raids begin.

I should only be so lucky to get such a message. I would then know to "mobilize" myself instead of hiding under the bed and cry like a little girl while waiting for the "security organs" to arrive. Time to recall this:

What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

[cjm]

“Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

Or maybe I left my cell phone in my parked car when I took the taxi home from the pub last night?

[torchbearer]

Or maybe I left my cell phone in my parked car when I took the taxi home from the pub last night?

same thing happened to me. not guilty!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k4fYIUuAP8

[pcosmar]

Ditch the damn Cell Phone..
or at least know when to ditch it. It is a damn tracking device they have gotten you to voluntarily carry.

[libertyjam]

A view from the other/inside, maybe it isn't all what some here are claiming:

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/dispatch-from-the-ukraine-a-journalist-describes-the-unrest-from-inside#axzz2rMF0hvMH

Dispatch from Ukraine: A Journalist Describes the Unrest from Inside
JANUARY 24, 2014


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Note: Events in Ukraine in recent days have gripped the hearts of people around the world. We at FEE are appalled at the repressive measures being taken by the Ukrainian state against protesters, particularly young people who are active there in the movement for peace, liberty, and representative government. We sincerely hope that the brutality of statism, on vivid and tragic display at this very moment in Ukraine, will be crushed by the forces of freedom and with a minimum of bloodshed. Below, we share with our readers a moving account of what’s happening from a Ukrainian journalist who is in Kiev on the front lines of the current upheaval. We withhold his name for his protection.

—Lawrence W. Reed, FEE president.

Dear friends—especially foreign journalists and editors,

These days I receive from you lots of inquiries requesting descriptions of the current situation in Kiev and overall in Ukraine, express my opinion on what is happening, and formulate my vision of at least the nearest future. Since I am simply physically unable to respond separately to each of your publications with an extended analytical essay, I have decided to prepare this brief statement, which each of you can use in accordance with your needs. The most important things I must tell you are as follows.

During the less than four years of its rule, Mr. Yanukovych’s regime has brought the country and the society to the utter limit of tensions. Even worse, it has boxed itself into a no-exit situation where it must hold on to power forever—by any means necessary. Otherwise it would have to face criminal justice in its full severity. The scale of what has been stolen and usurped exceeds all imagination of what human avarice is capable.

The only answer this regime has been proposing in the face of peaceful protests, now in their third month, is violence, violence that escalates and is “hybrid” in its nature: special forces attacks at the Maidan (the central square of Kiev, the Ukrainian capital) are combined with individual harassment and persecution of opposition activists and ordinary participants in protest actions (surveillance, beatings, torching of cars and houses, storming of residences, searches, arrests, rubber-stamp court proceedings). The keyword here is intimidation. And since it is ineffective, and people are protesting on an increasingly massive scale, the powers that be make these repressive actions even harsher.

The “legal base” for them was created on January 16, when the Members of Parliament, fully dependent on the President, in a crude violation of all rules of procedure and voting, indeed of the Constitution itself, in the course of just a couple of minutes (!) with a simple show of hands voted in a whole series of legal changes which effectively introduced dictatorial rule and a state of emergency in the country without formally declaring them. For instance, by writing and disseminating this, I am subject to several new criminal code articles for “defamation,” “inflaming tensions,” etc.

Briefly put, if these “laws” are recognized, one should conclude: in Ukraine, everything that is not expressly permitted by the powers that be is forbidden. And the only thing permitted by those in power is to yield to them. Not agreeing to these “laws,” on January 19 the Ukrainian society rose up, yet again, to defend its future.

Today in television newsreels coming from Kiev you can see protesters in various kinds of helmets and masks on their faces, sometimes with wooden sticks in their hands. Do not believe that these are “extremists,” “provocateurs,” or “right-wing radicals.” My friends and I also now go out protesting dressed this way. In this sense my wife, my daughter, our friends, and I are also “extremists.” We have no other option: We have to protect our life and health, as well as the life and health of those near and dear to us. Special forces units shoot at us, their snipers kill our friends. The number of protesters killed just on one block in the city’s government quarter is, according to different reports, either 5 or 7. Additionally, dozens of people in Kiev are missing.

We cannot halt the protests, for this would mean that we agree to live in a country that has been turned into a lifelong prison. The younger generation of Ukrainians, which grew up and matured in the post-Soviet years, organically rejects all forms of dictatorship. If dictatorship wins, Europe must take into account the prospect of a North Korea at its eastern border and, according to various estimates, between 5 and 10 million refugees. I do not want to frighten you.

We now have a revolution of the young. Those in power wage their war first and foremost against them. When darkness falls on Kiev, unidentified groups of “people in civilian clothes” roam the city, hunting for the young people, especially those who wear the symbols of the Maidan or the European Union. They kidnap them, take them out into forests, where they are stripped and tortured in fiercely cold weather. For some strange reason the victims of such actions are overwhelmingly young artists—actors, painters, poets. One feels that some strange “death squadrons” have been released in the country with an assignment to wipe out all that is best in it.

One more characteristic detail: In Kiev hospitals the police force entraps the wounded protesters; they are kidnapped and (I repeat, we are talking about wounded persons) taken out for interrogation at undisclosed locations. It has become dangerous to turn to a hospital even for random passersby who were grazed by a shard of a police plastic grenade. The medics only gesture helplessly and release the patients to the so-called “law enforcement.”

To conclude: In Ukraine full-scale crimes against humanity are now being committed, and it is the present government that is responsible for them. If there are any extremists present in this situation, it is the country’s highest leadership that deserves to be labeled as such.

And now turning to your two questions which are traditionally the most difficult for me to answer: I don’t know what will happen next, just as I don’t know what you could now do for us. However, you can disseminate, to the extent your contacts and possibilities allow, this appeal. Also, empathize with us. Think about us. We shall overcome all the same, no matter how hard they rage. The Ukrainian people, without exaggeration, now defend the European values of a free and just society with their own blood. I very much hope that you will appreciate this.

Pray for Ukraine!

[Henry Rogue]

Anyone see much news coverage of this? This is serious shit!



and this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h22oHs3eiLg
I cant believe the police just stand there and get hit with molotov cocktails, american cops would mow all those people down.

[Natural Citizen]

I cant believe the police just stand there and get hit with molotov cocktails, american cops would mow all those people down.

Yeah but that's only because americans would stand there and let them.

These Ukranians aren't backing and bowing down though and so the army thinks twice. The catapults still have me shaking my head. They're going old school.

http://220lily.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/images.jpg

[Henry Rogue]

Yeah but that's only because americans would stand there and let them.

These Ukranians aren't backing and bowing down though and so the army thinks twice. The catapults still have me shaking my head. They're going old school.I guess people make do with what they have, besides trebuchets take to long to build. ;)

[FindLiberty]

Ditch ... it. It is a damn tracking device they have gotten you to voluntarily carry.

Don't forget, it's potentially also a remotely activated clandestine audio listening device too!

So, to kill those bugs for good, remove the battery (and dispose of it properly if won't really use it any more).
Then spray the phone lightly with Lysol disinfectant, wipe it dry and then wrap it tightly in aluminum foil.

(Wrap your head only with highest quality tin foil.)

[DamianTV]

I cant believe the police just stand there and get hit with molotov cocktails, american cops would mow all those people down.

Our cops get paid better, at our expense, and are provided Military Grade Hardware, like Grenade Launchers and Tanks. Our cops simply have better tools for abuse of Protestors. However, Protest in any form anywhere will not be tolerated by those who are being protested.

[Carson]

Ha Ha Ha!

Busted by their global positioning.

What happens when the power goes out?

[Carson]

“Dear subscriber, you are registered as a participant in a mass disturbance.”

Tee shirts might be okay but MEDALS would be even better.

[Henry Rogue]

Our cops get paid better, at our expense, and are provided Military Grade Hardware, like Grenade Launchers and Tanks. Our cops simply have better tools for abuse of Protestors. However, Protest in any form anywhere will not be tolerated by those who are being protested.
On second thought, maybe american cops would turn tail and run when faced with such overwhelming numbers. They haven't experienced that kind of resistance. Being a bully is easy when it's one or two people and a few children.

[Carson]

On second thought, maybe american cops would turn tail and run when faced with such overwhelming numbers. They haven't experienced that kind of resistance. Being a bully is easy when it's one or two people and a few children.


Retreat some maybe. I wouldn't say turn tail and run.


The sad part of all of these global riots is the police and the people are really all on the same side. They are getting all of their everything ripped off same as everyone else. (See the Super Dollar below.)
VVVVV


Personally I pray to see them turn and lead !


Can you picture it?

Making an about-face. Screens to the front. BANG! BANG! BANG! on the shields with their sticks...

And the people right behind them protecting their backs and taking up the rear.



Win or lose we would all be home again.

[silverhandorder]

On second thought, maybe american cops would turn tail and run when faced with such overwhelming numbers. They haven't experienced that kind of resistance. Being a bully is easy when it's one or two people and a few children.

Our cops would start firing at first sight of attacking at their lines.

[phill4paul]

I cant believe the police just stand there and get hit with molotov cocktails, american cops would mow all those people down.

I make no claim as to the validity. Just something I came across.

12-gauge Brass Slugs Fired At Kiev Protesters

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/merera/livejournal/blondo_collage.jpg

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/merera/livejournal/blondeau_d3_1390483255-4756127cf7444e71b405d14c71db9002_600.jpg


The image above can be found on http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?p=83111#p83111 and depicts a round marketed for SWAT police force as an instant door opener. The slug can supposedly disable certain types of locks and immediately open a door if fired correctly


Ok, lets sum it up. Someone in the center of Kiev is firing proprietary turned brass slugs at the protesters, killing at least two and heavily wounding several others. The ammo appears to be breaching rounds manufactured in Kiev exclusively for the local police SWAT force. No such ammo is sold in gun shops in Ukraine.

And Prime Minister Azarov and Minister of the Interior Zakharchenko say the police is not involved in the shootings. Tell me moar guys.

http://merera.livejournal.com/295325.html

[silverhandorder]

That needs to be verified. I have seen pictures of rioters with weaponry.

[Natural Citizen]

Live feed....
http://rt.com/on-air/ukraine-kiev-police-protesters/

Aside... Kiev protesters siege energy ministry building as Donetsk holds pro-govt rallies (http://rt.com/news/ukraine-ministry-building-siege-194/)

http://rt.com/files/bpic/f4/30/00/00/020.jpg

http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/21/fb/a0/00/ukraine-ministry-building-siege-.si.jpg

[AngryCanadian]

http://imgur.com/a/1ghhi
http://i.imgur.com/TD6Nory.jpg

The RussianToday livewebcam just shows the protesters arent peaceful. The videos arent telling me that there are 200,000 of them.

[Natural Citizen]

Yer point?

http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1331488!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

[AngryCanadian]

Yer point?

http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1331488!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

The fact that Sen John McCain always supports terrorists and radicals in parts of the world does not concern you at all?

[Natural Citizen]

The fact that Sen John McCain always supports terrorists and radicals in parts of the world does not concern you at all?

Well, sure it does. But that doesn't mean that we get to use him as a tool to flip the terms of controversy just because it's convenient and people already have that pre-programmed perception either.

Cripes, that's why I put that picture up of him with the Canadian Defense Minister. Does this mean that Canadians are terrorists? Of course not. Heck, they can't even put up a good fight in a hockey rink.

[AngryCanadian]

Well, sure it does. But that doesn't mean that we get to use him as a tool to flip the terms of controversy just because it's convenient and people already have that pre-programmed perception either.

And the fact that Sen John McCain has met with Ukrainian Fascists is not a concern the fact that he also brought the fired Elizabeth O'Bagy Analyst in Kiev with several other EU officials?


I am starting to think your an NeoCon. By the that picture of McCain and the Canadian minster? that was an intelligence conference. McCain is always honored by the NeoCons here.

[Fredom101]

It's NOT "The" Ukraine, it's just Ukraine.

Ukrainians hate when people put "the" in front of it.

[silverhandorder]

Actually we don't give a shit. In Ukraine nationalism is a dirty word.

[gwax23]

It's NOT "The" Ukraine, it's just Ukraine.

Ukrainians hate when people put "the" in front of it.

Really?

I thought it was like "The Bronx" not "Bronx"

[Carson]

A while ago on the news was a guy explaining that the reason for the riots is that the rioters are getting their information off of the Internet and they are hearing only one side. He explained that the government puts it there to trick them.

He also said they keep changing their minds on why they are rioting. One week end it is one thing. By the next it is something else.


I'm still sort of figuring that their central banks run-a-way counterfeiting has gotten everyone so tapped out they are gasping for air.

I sort of figure that when I see clips of any of the rioting going on globally.

[torchbearer]

I sort of figure that when I see clips of any of the rioting going on globally.

ignorant people will point their fingers in unknown directions..
it will happen here too.