You Say You Want a Revolution?

[ClydeCoulter]

Another article by Steve Deace in the same vein as that posted by @Bastiat's The Law, here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?436226-Steve-Deace-Worldview-Wednesday-quot-What-the-Liberty-Movement-could-learn-quot


You Say You Want a Revolution?

Forging a new movement is never easy.

The path is fraught with pitfalls and trapdoors, especially because the already established order does not want the new paradigm to gain a foothold. There is gold in them (corrupt) hills after all. The established order will first attempt to co-opt the new movement or turn it into a cult of personality (like theirs already is). If that doesn’t work they will attempt to destroy it. On the other hand, the new movement cannot become so radical and theoretical that it’s unattainable to the masses it wants to reach as well.



More Here: http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2014/01/you-say-you-want-a-revolution/

[ClydeCoulter]

While this article appears to be about Rand Paul, it is not, it's about the liberty movement.

Here are several questions that he asks, or asks us to ask ourselves:


◾Is it a movement to advance a slate of issues/principles, or is it a movement intended to get Rand Paul elected the next president of the United States? The truth is if it’s the latter, that’s precisely how Rand will never win—as the civil rights and Religious Right movements of yesteryear can now attest. Once the acquisition of power replaces the mission the vision becomes compromised, and so does the movement.

◾While the movement is making inroads with younger voters, it has also shown it has electoral limitations in its current form. So how do you cast a wider net without betraying your first principles? What are the right hills to die on? Is this about building on Ron Paul’s legacy to expand it, or do you have to diminish Ron Paul’s legacy in order to mainstream it?

◾Who are the movement’s shepherds? Is it a grassroots-led effort that speaks for itself, or is it in the name of “Paul” the movement lives and breathes? Since you need champions to advance your cause in our representative republic, and the movement really had no modern champion before Ron Paul, does the movement now take its cues top-down from his son as successor, or does the movement anoint and select its own champions? Is it an aristocracy or a meritocracy?

◾As a successor to his father’s throne, is Rand Paul another Reheboam or another Solomon?

[Travlyr]

Rand Paul's efforts to audit the Fed are commendable. Until the Federal Reserve is ended none of the other liberty issues really matter. The Fed gives those in power all the power. The liberty movement should focus on ending the Fed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!

[donnay]

Rand Paul's efforts to audit the Fed are commendable. Until the Federal Reserve is ended none of the other liberty issues really matter. The Fed gives those in power all the power. The liberty movement should focus on ending the Fed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!

I definitely agree. The Fed is/has been a danger to individual liberty.

[klamath]

Once a movement becomes bogged down with "issues/principles" that are completely contra to human nature and non obtainable it is DOA and NOBODY get's a reprieve from tyranny......

[ClydeCoulter]

Once a movement becomes bogged down with "issues/principles" that are completely contra to human nature and non obtainable it is DOA and NOBODY get's a reprieve from tyranny......

Sleight of hand?

IE, if you removed the bolded phrase, would you still post that comment?

[Ronin Truth]

http://www.amazon.com/The-Peasants-are-Revolting-Wizard/dp/images/B000ILFEFM

[jmdrake]

Rand Paul's efforts to audit the Fed are commendable. Until the Federal Reserve is ended none of the other liberty issues really matter. The Fed gives those in power all the power. The liberty movement should focus on ending the Fed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!

Thanks for posting that. I miss Aaron Russo. :( The point he made about immigration at the beginning is very pertinent. Why are the same people, liberals and conservatives, pushing for open borders while at the same time pushing for an internal police state to "keep us safe?"

[Carson]

Rand Paul's efforts to audit the Fed are commendable. Until the Federal Reserve is ended none of the other liberty issues really matter. The Fed gives those in power all the power. The liberty movement should focus on ending the Fed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!

I agree.

I wondering if staying out of its way is the shortest route.



P.S. Actually allowing competing currency's like in the form of silver, gold, or the stock market and such. I'm thinking paying taxes on the illusion of a gain when markets follow the devaluation of the dollar, would set a lot of savers free. Give them something they could once again bank on.

[Ronin Truth]

North American Union

Ian Punnett welcomed award-winning journalist Jim Marrs, who discussed the North American Union and how governmental efforts like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) are moving us closer to the creation of a collective governing body for the United States, Canada, and Mexico.

Marrs shared how the US government is working secretly through various legislative loopholes to pave the way for Mexican trucking to come into the country. Marrs talked about the CANAMEX Super Highway, which he believes will hurt the US economy by allowing Mexico (and through them the rest of the world) to cheaply and quickly get their products here. According to Marrs, former Mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani, and Texas Governor Rick Perry are supporters of the Trans-Texas Corridor.

Marrs also provided updates on several 9/11 conspiracy theories, including his hypothesis about how a Nazi intelligence agency ultimately helped to create Al Qaeda.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEnlxHuRVMI

[Carson]

Thanks for posting that. I miss Aaron Russo. :( The point he made about immigration at the beginning is very pertinent. Why are the same people, liberals and conservatives, pushing for open borders while at the same time pushing for an internal police state to "keep us safe?"

When I was looking into where the money was coming from to buy off the politicians of the world in regards to illegal immigration it became clear that the central banks could be the source. Not only can people inside our country print up what ever amount it takes to get their way, so can others outside of our country.

It seems it also could be what is giving the leverage to make off with the natural resources. The next step might be to get the cheapest labor to exploit them.

I would think this would be more in the interest of one party. The other I think have just been manipulated by the media and the school system. Some seem to have the attitude that they are doing the illegal immigrants a great service by playing them into the hands of the criminals in government and business. If they had of still been bringing in people through the system legally they would still be working along side of us for the same wages and benefits. Instead they have systematically ripped them off which has lead to stripping all of us off of the wages and benefits we worked hard to grow over the decades.

Over and over I've seen them run amnesty programs. For a second there it kicks some up in stature to once again be side by side and then replaced in short order by a new wave of illegal immigration.

After my initial observation of the central banks it wasn't long to find ours was just one pearl on a string of central banks that surround the globe.

P.S. It was good to see his face again.

[Carson]

North American Union

Ian Punnett welcomed award-winning journalist Jim Marrs, who discussed the North American Union and how governmental efforts like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) are moving us closer to the creation of a collective governing body for the United States, Canada, and Mexico.

Marrs shared how the US government is working secretly through various legislative loopholes to pave the way for Mexican trucking to come into the country. Marrs talked about the CANAMEX Super Highway, which he believes will hurt the US economy by allowing Mexico (and through them the rest of the world) to cheaply and quickly get their products here. According to Marrs, former Mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani, and Texas Governor Rick Perry are supporters of the Trans-Texas Corridor.

Marrs also provided updates on several 9/11 conspiracy theories, including his hypothesis about how a Nazi intelligence agency ultimately helped to create Al Qaeda.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEnlxHuRVMI

They talk a lot about bringing things in. Those highways go both directions and we have a lot of resources that could be hauled away. I remember something about a huge water pipe running out of the country. Something like 96 inches.

I haven't been receiving any checks for the oil, coal, lumber or any of the other resources being extracted now. The only time I've been getting TAKEN consideration of is when they do something like build these highways or pipelines or build a nuclear plant backwards of something.

[Carson]

After my initial observation of the central banks it wasn't long to find ours was just one pearl on a string of central banks that surround the globe.


I used the term pearl before and now it haunts me. Maybe a better description would be;

After my initial observation of the central banks it wasn't long to find ours was just one shackle on a string of central bank shackles that enslave the globe.

[Terry1]

Shhhhh! Don't say you're wise to the Feds conspiracy or they'll send the white vans out to color code the curb in front of your house. Next thing you know, you'll be a guest at the nearest FEMA camp. :eek:

[Rocco]

I submitted a reply to his website at Deace's request, he should be publishing it any day now. Will link it here when it comes out!

[Rocco]

"Steve Deace
January 9 at 9:49pm ·
FYI, I invited Rocco Lucente to write a response to my "road to the White House" article about Rand Paul. If you're supporter of any of the other candidates I write about, and you want to submit a well-written reply, we will publish that as well. One per candidate. Submit them to maxwellreporting@gmail.com."

https://www.facebook.com/SteveDeaceShow/posts/10201202113039886

[Peace&Freedom]

Rand Paul's efforts to audit the Fed are commendable. Until the Federal Reserve is ended none of the other liberty issues really matter. The Fed gives those in power all the power. The liberty movement should focus on ending the Fed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VAYGWp8V9II#!

Indeed! Russo should have had a shot at running for President on the LP line in '04, on this and other issues, but internal politics denied him the nomination victory that year.

[Zeeder]

Since I was going to post this idea on a thread with the exact same name. I thought I'd post it here. It's relevant.
I approve of what Ron Paul is doing. Laying the groundwork for a positive change once this corrupt evil system collapses. I don't think we have a prayer of doing anything more than that. So How can we speed this up in a non-violent way? To my knowledge there has never been a true revolution without chaos and violence. It's the only thing that statists respond too.

So my idea was this. THEORETICALLY: What if every Ron Paul supported(1 million or so) Sent in as many fake 1040 Irs forms as possible? Not to get money back, but just to bog the entire thing down? Everyone fill out 100 forms and send them in? You choose the names, made up socials whatever.

Can anyone see any problem with this? THEORETICALLY(for the NSA). Why wouldn't this work? And if it would, why wouldn't we?

[Rocco]

My response to Steve Deace's preview of Rand Paul's electoral chances has been published!

http://stevedeace.com/news/how-standing-with-rand-has-broadened-the-liberty-movement%E2%80%A8/