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mconder
11-29-2007, 10:42 AM
I thought Guiliani's performance and ability to deflect attacks was abysmal. Even I was embarrassed for him and I can't stand the guy. It amazes me how little negative press he is getting for his poor performance last night.

d991
11-29-2007, 10:44 AM
I thought Guiliani's performance and ability to deflect attacks was abysmal. Even I was embarrassed for him and I can't stand the guy. I can not believe he is not getting more negative press from his performance last night!

His voice was very shaky for a few questions, especially the opening exchange with Romney about illegal immigration. Almost sounded like he was going to cry.

awitelin
11-29-2007, 10:45 AM
Guiliani had a rough night. I shed many crocodile tears for him.

Melissa
11-29-2007, 10:45 AM
I actually think he did too but I really think Romney bombed the hardest. How can you vote for someone that answers all questions with " I would have to ask someone" he has now said he has to ask his lawyers, committes, can't answer or some one else that can help me decide that--- wow he sure knows his stuff huh

SovereignMN
11-29-2007, 10:45 AM
I agree. Rudy was bad last night. He's really hurt himself in the past 24 hours with the corruption charges and the debate performance.

mconder
11-29-2007, 10:47 AM
Rudy was bad last night. He's really hurt himself in the past 24 hours with the corruption charges and the debate performance.

Honestly, this just proves how powerful the media really is over the vast majority of Americans. How both Mitt & Romney stay above single digits given last nights performance is a mystery to me. I knew going into Huck was the man to beat.

ConstitutionGal
11-29-2007, 10:53 AM
I thought several of them lost MAJOR points last night

1. Romney and Fred can both FORGET about SC after their Confederate battle flag comments;
2. Huck can forget the anti-illegal immigration voters;
3. The Ghoul can forget the anti-illegal immigration voters;
4. Huck can kiss everybody but the national sales tax folks good-bye (did anybody see the look on Chuck Norris' face when those clips of Huck were played?);
5. McCain may as well pack it and go home after his 'the American people caused us to lose Vietnam" and "America's policy let Hitler rise to power" comments;
6. Romney lost some more of the Christian base with his pretty well dodging the Bible question;
7. Fred lost quite a few 2nd Amendment voters just by trying to be cutsey with his answer (I'm not saying how many or where they're at) because it just looked evasive;
8. McCain the 'war hero' lost 2nd Amendemnt voters because he admitted that he doesn't even own any guns.

Seriously, the only ones who I think may have actually gained any support whatsoever are Hunter and Paul.

partypooper
11-29-2007, 10:59 AM
romney was the worst, i thought, followed by guiliani and i think both of them lost some support yesterday. mccain and dr paul remained where they were. thompson i thought was paid less attention to than before though he did ok. to my great chagrin, huckabee was a clear winner last night.

Convert
11-29-2007, 11:00 AM
I actually think he did too but I really think Romney bombed the hardest. How can you vote for someone that answers all questions with " I would have to ask someone" he has now said he has to ask his lawyers, committes, can't answer or some one else that can help me decide that--- wow he sure knows his stuff huh

I thought so too, especially in the exchange with McCain about Waterboarding. If he had a brain in his head, he might have brought up the fact that McCain capitulated to Bush on the subject of torturing the detainees. McCain can't take the "high road" because he's already taken the "low road".

pilby
11-29-2007, 11:39 AM
I can't believe anyone is taking seriously a guy who can't give a straight answer to any question (Romney). It was embarrassing to watch.

Giuliani came across to me as more intelligent than I saw him as before. He actually made a little sense on a couple questions and didn't mention 9/11 nearly as much as is his habit. Still would never vote for him, though, of course.

Huckabee did a great job. I definitely saw his appeal and had to remind myself once or twice why I can't support him (which didn't seem to come up at all in the debate, by the way). "Huckabee is a socialist. Huckabee is a socialist."

Dr. Paul had a rough night, mainly because he wasn't allowed to talk about any real issues. He did great with what he was given. McCain's off-the-wall attack was great for Dr. Paul because it allowed him to point out that the troops are donating to him.

I can't believe there wasn't a single question about the value of the dollar and the recession we're heading into.

yongrel
11-29-2007, 11:43 AM
I watched the debate with three undecided Republican voters, and they disagree with the OP.

They thought Giuliani was intelligent, articulate, and likeable. Disappointing, I know.

Remember, most viewers don't see the same things in Giuliani that we do.

peruvianRP
11-29-2007, 11:45 AM
I can't believe anyone is taking seriously a guy who can't give a straight answer to any question (Romney). It was embarrassing to watch.

Giuliani came across to me as more intelligent than I saw him as before. He actually made a little sense on a couple questions and didn't mention 9/11 nearly as much as is his habit. Still would never vote for him, though, of course.

Huckabee did a great job. I definitely saw his appeal and had to remind myself once or twice why I can't support him (which didn't seem to come up at all in the debate, by the way). "Huckabee is a socialist. Huckabee is a socialist."

Dr. Paul had a rough night, mainly because he wasn't allowed to talk about any real issues. He did great with what he was given. McCain's off-the-wall attack was great for Dr. Paul because it allowed him to point out that the troops are donating to him.

I can't believe there wasn't a single question about the value of the dollar and the recession we're heading into.

Look at his record Pro- illegal immigration and socialist. If you like that vote for Huck

JoeSixPack
11-29-2007, 11:51 AM
Look at his record Pro- illegal immigration and socialist. If you like that vote for Huck

Huck is also scientifically illiterate (and potentially anti-science) in addition to being on the wrong side of monetary issues.

ItsTime
11-29-2007, 11:58 AM
my honest opinion was that Ron Paul won, Huckabee showed well (you can do that when you do not say anything of substance), McCain and Fred did about the same and Romney and Rudy bombed big time.

mconder
11-29-2007, 12:10 PM
Huckabee did a great job. I definitely saw his appeal and had to remind myself once or twice why I can't support him

Like Clinton, Huckabee is the ultimate decepticon when speaking publicly. He does have that special ability to sell anyone even though you know he is lying to you.

huchahucha
11-29-2007, 12:10 PM
I thought Rudy, Romney and McCain were equally awful. Fred was mediocre. Tancredo and Hunter did good for this more combative styled "debate". To anyone just starting to pay attention, Huckabee probably looked really good. You would have to do your research to know that he just parrots whatever appears to be popular and is therefore sounding more and more like Ron Paul.

To me Ron Paul IS the most effective candidate in all of these debates. There is a certain mystique the debate moderators are unknowingly building on by trying to keep a collar on him. Then, when they ask him loaded questions and he nails the answers the effect is like trying to put a fire out with napalm. I really wasn't mad that he didn't get much time to speak last night. I was too busy enjoying watching all the other candidates fight for time to open their mouths and hang themselves. McCain blamed Hitler on the United States. Romney clearly stated that anyone who owns a confederate flag is a racist and subhuman in his eyes. I believe at one point he even proudly proclaimed that he turned Massachusetts into a police state. Rudy took a savage beating all night and totally shot his chances with any gun owners (pun intended). Last night's debate was AWESOME!

mconder
11-29-2007, 12:13 PM
They thought Giuliani was intelligent, articulate, and likeable

WTF!? He was made to look the part of the biggest lying, scandalous politician ever. I had to go take a shower after watching Mitt and Romney go at each other.

mconder
11-29-2007, 12:14 PM
Tancredo and Hunter did good for this more combative styled "debate".

Combative is what a debate should be...hence the word "debate."

Santana28
11-29-2007, 12:31 PM
I think it was an all-around bomb for the supposed "top three" Guiliani, Romney, and Thompson. Tancredo was surprisingly very coherant, dignified, and came off as genuinely interested in the tops he was talking about. McCain, i think, did much better this debate than his previous debates. He actually seemed like he genuinely cared, vs. trying to act as if her cared. I may not agree with him on the issues, but he's the only other one on stage that has any modicum of respect from me.

Huckabee is a one-trick pony. He's slick-willy all over again. He's nothing but one liners and tugging at the heartstrings of American Christians. The fact that NO ONE took the opportunity to call check-mate on Romney when he was asked THE smoking gun - and then openly lied about it - is very telling. Mormons don't believe the same book that kid was holding up and asked if the candidates SPECIFICALLY believed in that book. Romney looked as if he was going to pee his pants up on stage when he had to answer that question. The other candidates could have SUNK him tonight - but they didn't. I find that odd.

Fred Thompson... i'm sorry... if i could overlook everything he has ever said, just watching the man is enough reason to not vote for him. He looks sickly and incoherant... he is totally unable to answer any kind of question if the script isnt in front of him on the podium (in LARGE print). He rambles on repeating Dr. Paul's talking points and looks as if he could doze off at any time.

Hunter was exactly the same as before - no change.

Guiliani and Romney just did more to collectively hurt themselves and the party, rather than prop each other up. That immigration "debate" was so hypocritical on both their parts that it was laughable. And Romney really looks lost when he has to depart from his scripted answers.

McCain's scripted attack on Ron Paul re: "isolationism" was a sad, pathetic attempt by a desperate candidate.... ala Huckabee's "we broke it, we bought it" speech a couple debates ago.

richard1984
11-29-2007, 12:35 PM
And see...I thought Giuliani had one of his strongest debate showings last night. Not that I thought he was anywhere close to "good," but better than some of those other idiots up there.
I have trouble listening to everyone but Ron Paul, though. (I have an aversion to bullshit. ;))

(edit: I could listen relatively comfortably to Thompson, though. It was must easier to listen to him last night. I guess it's because he's not serious at all, so he just becomes entertaining. and BTW, what's up (pun intended) with those bags under his eyes?! They're wild, crazy saggy!! :D)

PatriotG
11-29-2007, 12:36 PM
He only said 9-11 six times, I guess thats worth something.
PatriotG

huchahucha
11-29-2007, 02:15 PM
Tancredo and Hunter did good for this more combative styled "debate".

Combative is what a debate should be...hence the word "debate."

I agree. But this wasn't a debate, it was more of a cluster fuck. Anderson Cooper barely had any control over the situation, and there seemed to be more of a focus on cramming as many questions into the alloted time instead of letting the candidates answer the questions asked.

Paul4Prez
11-29-2007, 02:19 PM
Giuliani and Romney sank each other's chances on the immigration issue.

Thompson sank himself. He couldn't name 3 programs he would cut, started talking about Social Security, then said no, he wasn't saying he would cut that.

drednot
11-29-2007, 03:26 PM
I actually liked Giuliani in this debate over Romney and Huckabee.

Romney and Huckabee simply don't answer questions they don't want to. Romney even lies when under pressure. ("No, I didn't have illegals at my mansion. And from first debate"I didn't call myself pro-choice").

I think it shows that his leadership experience is in industry, where he doesn't get pelted publicly with the same kind of antagonistic questions a mayor or governor gets.

He's fundamentally opposed to "Torture", but won't tell us what "Torture" is until he consults someone. In other words, he has no principles whatsoever that he is willing to reveal, yet he claims to have strong principles.

Huckabee simply will not name any spending he's prepared to reduce (certainly not the space program). He loves to tell us about the taxes he'll cut though. Thompson dropped the ball here too.

Rudy at least told us we need "across the board cuts, like in the Reagan administration."

Ron of course, had no problems addressing hard questions with clear answers.

All in all it was great to see all the candidates get their share of boos, instead of just Ron. Maybe this will help cull the BS in the future.

On the other hand, the audience loved Duckabee's humorous dogdes, so he may end up the big winner.

RonPaulCult
11-29-2007, 03:50 PM
I thought RG did quite well to my great disgust. It was Romney that made a fool of himself imo