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Origanalist
01-03-2014, 08:57 AM
Jang's execution bodes ill for China

The purge of North Korea's second in command sent shock waves around the world. One writer looks at the impact on bilateral ties while the other details how the noose had tightened on Jang Song Thaek.



By Ching Cheong, Senior Writer
THE execution of Jang Song Thaek, the No. 2 man in North Korea, took Beijing by surprise and will adversely affect bilateral relations.

Beijing's displeasure is expressed through the publication of a detailed account of Jang's brutal execution in Wen Wei Po, its official mouthpiece, in Hong Kong, on Dec 12.

According to the report, unlike previous executions of political prisoners which were carried out by firing squads with machine guns, Jang was stripped naked and thrown into a cage, along with his five closest aides. Then 120 hounds, starved for three days, were allowed to prey on them until they were completely eaten up. This is called "quan jue", or execution by dogs.

The report said the entire process lasted for an hour, with Mr Kim Jong Un, the supreme leader in North Korea, supervising it along with 300 senior officials.

The horrifying report vividly depicted the brutality of the young North Korean leader. The fact that it appeared in a Beijing- controlled newspaper showed that China no longer cares about its relations with the Kim regime.

Two days later, the Global Times, associated with the People's Daily, a Chinese Communist Party organ, followed up with a sternly worded editorial saying that the abrupt political change epitomised the backwardness of the North Korean political system. It warned the Chinese government not to coddle North Korea any longer, saying that the majority of Chinese were extremely disgusted with the Kim regime.

The incendiary story, plus the stern editorial, provided a measure of the extent of Beijing's loathing, which is quite understandable.

In purging a top official known for his close ties with Beijing in such a brutal manner, Pyongyang did not hide its antagonism towards China.

The official litany of Jang's treason implicated China three times. Jang was accused of underselling coal and other natural resources for which China was virtually the sole customer. He was also charged with "selling off the land of Rason economic and trade zone to a foreign country for a period of five decades under the pretext of paying debts". Finally, he was accused of selling precious metals, thus disrupting the country's financial stability. In fact, China purchased some of North Korea's gold reserves several months ago.

He was also accused of aiding Chinese businessmen in securing low prices for North Korean goods and commodities.

The purge of Jang reflected the longstanding suspicion and apprehension of the North Korean regime towards China, which dates back to the time of Kim Il Sung, North Korea's founder.

Although China fought the Korean War to preserve the Kim regime, he was less than grateful. Once the war was over, Kim started purging the Yan-an faction within his party. This faction received its training in Yan-an, the capital of the Chinese Communist Party in the 1940s.

Stanford University research fellow David Straub recalled that when he accompanied former United States assistant secretary of state James Kelly to North Korea in 2002, the North's then Vice-Foreign Minister Kang Sok Ju made comments that minimised Chinese assistance during the Korean War.

When the son, Kim Jong Il, took over the helm, he did not hide the fact that his nuclear weapons could be used against China.

Dr Xue Litai, a research fellow at Stanford University's Centre for International Security and Cooperation at the time, disclosed that he received further confirmation from an American source who accompanied former US president Bill Clinton in his visit to Pyongyang in 2009. According to the source, a North Korean senior official told Mr Clinton that their nuclear weapons could not reach the US but could be "pointed West" in the direction of the Chinese mainland.

The North Korean official also reportedly suggested that if the US changed its policy towards Pyongyang, the latter could become a strong bastion against China.

The Korean peninsula was a vassal state of China in the 17th century. A deep-rooted suspicion remains among the North Korean leadership that China wants to make North Korea its satellite state. Pyongyang also resents Beijing establishing ties with Seoul, which it sees as an act of betrayal.

Nuclear-armed China is seen as having double standards when it exerts pressure on Pyongyang to halt the latter's nuclear programme.

So when the grandson, Mr Kim Jong Un, took over the helm, this family tradition of suspecting China prompted the young leader to take drastic action to cleanse the party of any pro-China elements.

Recent developments have posed a number of issues for China.

First, China's own security is at risk. The erratic and ruthless behaviour of Mr Kim Jong Un suggests that China should not underrate the likelihood of a nuclear threat from Pyongyang.

The Internet version of the Global Times carried an article last Monday by Lieutenant-General Wang Hongguang, former deputy commander of Nanjing Greater Military Region, saying that the recent incident showed North Korea had become increasingly provocative and was getting out of (Chinese) control. He urged a complete reassessment of security threats originating from that direction.

Second, China's political and strategic influence on the Korean peninsula has been drastically reduced. China was widely considered to be able to rein in the unruly Kim regime, thus acting as a force for peace in the region. But it now appears China's influence over its neighbour is close to zero.

This is clear from the fact that Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi telephoned his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov for urgent consultation on Dec 13. This was followed by Ambassador Wu Dawei's trip to Moscow. Both moves suggest that Beijing realises it can no longer tame the Kim regime by itself.

Third, China had hoped to nurture a less belligerent neighbour by encouraging reform, open- door policies and economic development in North Korea. Jang had been working closely with China to bring about a Chinese-style transformation in his own country. With Jang brutally executed, the idea of a peaceful transformation seems unrealistic.

Related stories at.....http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224

specsaregood
01-03-2014, 09:11 AM
prediction: china takes this guy out, fairly soon.

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 09:29 AM
Sounds to me like a bunch of S Korea propaganda.

http://www.100megspop3.com/bark/Propaganda14.jpg

Not at all relevant to me one way or the other.

Origanalist
01-03-2014, 09:34 AM
Sounds to me like a bunch of S Korea propaganda.

http://www.100megspop3.com/bark/Propaganda14.jpg

Not at all relevant to me one way or the other.

The report came from China.

LibertyEagle
01-03-2014, 09:36 AM
If that's true, it's way sick.

jllundqu
01-03-2014, 09:39 AM
What a monster...

JK/SEA
01-03-2014, 09:41 AM
pffftt...didn't Obama splatter innocent children with drones?

we could have the biggest thread on RPF discussing the disgusting ways of man, and the way we treat each other.

Time for breakfast.....

green73
01-03-2014, 09:43 AM
How can this not be on Drudge yet? I just sent this link, along with this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533088/How-Kim-Jong-Un-killed-scum-uncle-Dictator-stripped-naked-thrown-cage-eaten-alive-pack-dogs.html

JK/SEA
01-03-2014, 09:45 AM
How can this not be on Drudge yet? I just sent this link, along with this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533088/How-Kim-Jong-Un-killed-scum-uncle-Dictator-stripped-naked-thrown-cage-eaten-alive-pack-dogs.html

its too 'icky'?

Warlord
01-03-2014, 09:46 AM
it isnt believable

JK/SEA
01-03-2014, 09:49 AM
it isnt believable


yep...it could be all bullshit, and we all know why.

Acala
01-03-2014, 09:52 AM
No dogs were harmed.

JK/SEA
01-03-2014, 09:54 AM
No dogs were harmed.

perhaps, perhaps...but alas, the young lad with the self esteem issue could be fattening up the dogs for dinner later this week...

pass the ketchup.

oyarde
01-03-2014, 10:24 AM
Jang's execution bodes ill for China

The purge of North Korea's second in command sent shock waves around the world. One writer looks at the impact on bilateral ties while the other details how the noose had tightened on Jang Song Thaek.



By Ching Cheong, Senior Writer
THE execution of Jang Song Thaek, the No. 2 man in North Korea, took Beijing by surprise and will adversely affect bilateral relations.

Beijing's displeasure is expressed through the publication of a detailed account of Jang's brutal execution in Wen Wei Po, its official mouthpiece, in Hong Kong, on Dec 12.

According to the report, unlike previous executions of political prisoners which were carried out by firing squads with machine guns, Jang was stripped naked and thrown into a cage, along with his five closest aides. Then 120 hounds, starved for three days, were allowed to prey on them until they were completely eaten up. This is called "quan jue", or execution by dogs.

The report said the entire process lasted for an hour, with Mr Kim Jong Un, the supreme leader in North Korea, supervising it along with 300 senior officials.

The horrifying report vividly depicted the brutality of the young North Korean leader. The fact that it appeared in a Beijing- controlled newspaper showed that China no longer cares about its relations with the Kim regime.

Two days later, the Global Times, associated with the People's Daily, a Chinese Communist Party organ, followed up with a sternly worded editorial saying that the abrupt political change epitomised the backwardness of the North Korean political system. It warned the Chinese government not to coddle North Korea any longer, saying that the majority of Chinese were extremely disgusted with the Kim regime.

The incendiary story, plus the stern editorial, provided a measure of the extent of Beijing's loathing, which is quite understandable.

In purging a top official known for his close ties with Beijing in such a brutal manner, Pyongyang did not hide its antagonism towards China.

The official litany of Jang's treason implicated China three times. Jang was accused of underselling coal and other natural resources for which China was virtually the sole customer. He was also charged with "selling off the land of Rason economic and trade zone to a foreign country for a period of five decades under the pretext of paying debts". Finally, he was accused of selling precious metals, thus disrupting the country's financial stability. In fact, China purchased some of North Korea's gold reserves several months ago.

He was also accused of aiding Chinese businessmen in securing low prices for North Korean goods and commodities.

The purge of Jang reflected the longstanding suspicion and apprehension of the North Korean regime towards China, which dates back to the time of Kim Il Sung, North Korea's founder.

Although China fought the Korean War to preserve the Kim regime, he was less than grateful. Once the war was over, Kim started purging the Yan-an faction within his party. This faction received its training in Yan-an, the capital of the Chinese Communist Party in the 1940s.

Stanford University research fellow David Straub recalled that when he accompanied former United States assistant secretary of state James Kelly to North Korea in 2002, the North's then Vice-Foreign Minister Kang Sok Ju made comments that minimised Chinese assistance during the Korean War.

When the son, Kim Jong Il, took over the helm, he did not hide the fact that his nuclear weapons could be used against China.

Dr Xue Litai, a research fellow at Stanford University's Centre for International Security and Cooperation at the time, disclosed that he received further confirmation from an American source who accompanied former US president Bill Clinton in his visit to Pyongyang in 2009. According to the source, a North Korean senior official told Mr Clinton that their nuclear weapons could not reach the US but could be "pointed West" in the direction of the Chinese mainland.

The North Korean official also reportedly suggested that if the US changed its policy towards Pyongyang, the latter could become a strong bastion against China.

The Korean peninsula was a vassal state of China in the 17th century. A deep-rooted suspicion remains among the North Korean leadership that China wants to make North Korea its satellite state. Pyongyang also resents Beijing establishing ties with Seoul, which it sees as an act of betrayal.

Nuclear-armed China is seen as having double standards when it exerts pressure on Pyongyang to halt the latter's nuclear programme.

So when the grandson, Mr Kim Jong Un, took over the helm, this family tradition of suspecting China prompted the young leader to take drastic action to cleanse the party of any pro-China elements.

Recent developments have posed a number of issues for China.

First, China's own security is at risk. The erratic and ruthless behaviour of Mr Kim Jong Un suggests that China should not underrate the likelihood of a nuclear threat from Pyongyang.

The Internet version of the Global Times carried an article last Monday by Lieutenant-General Wang Hongguang, former deputy commander of Nanjing Greater Military Region, saying that the recent incident showed North Korea had become increasingly provocative and was getting out of (Chinese) control. He urged a complete reassessment of security threats originating from that direction.

Second, China's political and strategic influence on the Korean peninsula has been drastically reduced. China was widely considered to be able to rein in the unruly Kim regime, thus acting as a force for peace in the region. But it now appears China's influence over its neighbour is close to zero.

This is clear from the fact that Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi telephoned his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov for urgent consultation on Dec 13. This was followed by Ambassador Wu Dawei's trip to Moscow. Both moves suggest that Beijing realises it can no longer tame the Kim regime by itself.

Third, China had hoped to nurture a less belligerent neighbour by encouraging reform, open- door policies and economic development in North Korea. Jang had been working closely with China to bring about a Chinese-style transformation in his own country. With Jang brutally executed, the idea of a peaceful transformation seems unrealistic.

Related stories at.....http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224What I want to know is if Fat Boy then ate the dogs .

oyarde
01-03-2014, 10:25 AM
The report came from China.

Now I want some sweet and sour shrimp .

oyarde
01-03-2014, 10:27 AM
prediction: china takes this guy out, fairly soon.

I would have thought the same , but he is still there ....

oyarde
01-03-2014, 10:28 AM
it isnt believable

I agree , how would anyone know ?

dannno
01-03-2014, 10:34 AM
Maybe Dennis can ask him.

specsaregood
01-03-2014, 10:35 AM
I would have thought the same , but he is still there ....

Perhaps he delayed the inevitable by feeding the uncle to the dogs. That would explain things a bit...

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 10:35 AM
The report came from China.

Correction,, it came from the Straits Times,, and was authored by a guy with axes to grind.

It sounds like propaganda. Even if it is true,, or partially true.

green73
01-03-2014, 10:42 AM
its too 'icky'?

It's right up his alley!

Brian4Liberty
01-03-2014, 10:45 AM
According to the report, unlike previous executions of political prisoners which were carried out by firing squads with machine guns, Jang was stripped naked and thrown into a cage, along with his five closest aides. Then 120 hounds, starved for three days, were allowed to prey on them until they were completely eaten up. This is called "quan jue", or execution by dogs.

Did they throw babies from incubators into the dog cage too?

erowe1
01-03-2014, 10:45 AM
The thread title is deceptive.

In North Korea, all dogs are starving dogs.

69360
01-03-2014, 10:49 AM
It's probably propaganda. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the uncle isn't dead. The whole thing could be made up to keep the NK people in line. They are probably both smoking cigars and drinking cognac laughing about how both their own people and the stupid Americans believe everything they read.

aGameOfThrones
01-03-2014, 01:38 PM
Nothing brings family together than recycling together.

http://www.sumtercountysc.org/sites/default/files/department/recycling/recycle.jpg

Dianne
01-03-2014, 01:43 PM
Sounds to me like a bunch of S Korea propaganda.

http://www.100megspop3.com/bark/Propaganda14.jpg

Not at all relevant to me one way or the other.

Sounds to me like a bunch of U.S. propaganda.

HOLLYWOOD
01-03-2014, 01:45 PM
Part of the equation unaddressed...

To what extent did western powers(including South Korea) infiltrated the North Korean government.

You've witnessed it LIVE in a slew of countries; Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Djibouti, Yemen, Pakistan, Chile, Ecuador, Australia, Turkey... uh, all of them..

What did the North Korean government discover... or what was informed by other nations(China, Russia, etc)?

Danke
01-03-2014, 01:54 PM
That's gotta hurt.

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 01:57 PM
No, Kim Jong Un probably didn’t feed his uncle to 120 hungry dogs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/01/03/no-kim-jong-un-probably-didnt-feed-his-uncle-to-120-hungry-dogs/

http://world.time.com/2014/01/03/a-dog-of-a-story-why-kim-jong-un-probably-did-not-feed-his-uncle-to-120-hounds/

Added just for fun ,, in such a fun thread. :rolleyes:

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 02:03 PM
The thread title is deceptive.

In North Korea, all dogs are starving dogs.

Look like healthy animals to me.

http://timeglobalspin.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/2013-04-07t103735z_1838408013_gm1e9471-copy.jpg?w=360&h=240&crop=1

LibForestPaul
01-03-2014, 02:03 PM
truth of article's statements not relevant. Why are these statements in China's state press?

Philhelm
01-03-2014, 03:08 PM
What kind of sick fuck would starve 120 dogs for three days?

Dogs eating people in Southeast Asia. Karma.

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 03:12 PM
Why are these statements in China's state press?

They were first posted in China's least credible tabloid.
They were repeated by the Straits Times.
There is no source nor proof that it is true.

But it's North Korea,,

Anti Federalist
01-03-2014, 03:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGsQ2gPzAf4

CPUd
01-03-2014, 04:28 PM
tube, or it didn't happen.

timosman
10-19-2018, 11:44 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-uns-uncle-was-shot-not-fed-to-a-pack-of-wild-dogs-2014-1

enhanced_deficit
10-19-2018, 12:33 PM
Love is blind.

Report, Kim Jong Un fed his Uncle to starving dogs. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?437390-Report-Kim-Jong-Un-fed-his-Uncle-to-starving-dogs&)

Trump on North Korea's Kim: 'We fell in love' over 'beautiful letters'
usatoday
Sep 30, 2018 - President Donald Trump said he and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un "fell in love" because of Kim's "beautiful letters,"



Trump Alliance with Body-Choppers, Death Squads & Child Killers: Saudi Arabia, Brazil & Israel (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527578-Trump-Alliance-with-Body-Choppers-Death-Squads-amp-Child-Killers-Saudi-Arabia-Brazil-amp-Israel&)
Saudi Arabia’s barbaric, blood-soaked tyrant MBS is no Crown Prince Charming - it’s time President Trump held his medieval mate’s feet to the fire (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6286621/PIERS-MORGAN-Trump-hold-tyrant-MBSs-feet-fire.html)

By Piers Morgan
18 October 2018


What’s the worst way to possibly die?

It’s hard to imagine anything more sickening and barbaric than what is alleged to have happened to Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi, a columnist for the Washington Post.

He was apparently lured to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, where he was confronted by a 15-man hit squad that had flown in from Riyadh to murder him.
But not, it is claimed, quickly.

Jamal Khashoggi died in one of the worst ways imaginable. For seven long minutes he was tortured and hacked to pieces with a bone-saw while he was still alive. His body carted off in bags to be dissolved in acid

AZJoe
10-19-2018, 06:10 PM
http://m.memegen.com/8syum0.jpg

If you believe that evidence free story, then you'll certainly believe the Trump raping a 13 year story too (http://www.justiceforkatie.com).

Anti Globalist
10-19-2018, 06:14 PM
Being fed to dogs is a pretty bad way to go.

AZJoe
10-19-2018, 06:25 PM
The dog food execution story originated from a single source - a Hong Kong based sensationalist tabloid Wen Wei Po. The tabloid cited no sources at all for its story, but did cite a Chinese satirist’s social media tweet.

Wen Wei Po’s report was an almost word for word copy lifted from a satire Chinese social media tweet (http://trevorpowell.com/2014/01/04/120-dogs-chinese-satirists-tweet-takes-all-english-news-media-for-a-ride/)by a satirist pen-named Pyongyang Choi Seongho.

oyarde
10-19-2018, 06:38 PM
I had to Great Uncles get into a gunfight in the back yard of my Great Grandmothers place . I cannot remember if dogs ate the one that bleed out. I am glad I am not in korea though.