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FrankRep
01-03-2014, 07:55 AM
Study: Most Convicts Vote Democrat (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/31/Study-Most-Convicts-Vote-Democrat)


Breitbart.com
1 Jan 2014


A scholarly study newly released in The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science has revealed that most convicts in jail register as Democrats.

The study stated, “Democrats would benefit from additional ex-felon participation.” The professors who authored the study came from the University of Pennsylvania and Stanford University.

The study found that felons registered Democratic over Republican by a six-to-one margin in some states, including New York, where 61.5% are Democrats and only 9% GOP. Another fact discovered was that 73% of the felons who would vote would vote Democrat.

Three states where the state government has notified convicts that they can vote are New York, New Mexico, and North Carolina.
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mosquitobite
01-03-2014, 08:02 AM
Of course they do!

The democrats are more tolerant of violent offenders and believe they can be rehabilitated. Easier sentences and earlier paroles.

We have (at least) two well known murders in this area that would not have happened had liberalism not let a hardened criminal back out onto the streets. :(

But those marijuana smokers? Pfft. They can rot!

tod evans
01-03-2014, 08:15 AM
The term "felon" has lost it's meaning since the 60's seeing as how over 80% of convicted "felons" actually commit no true violence.

Carry on though.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 08:23 AM
Interesting. This is clearly a point in favor of the Democrat Party.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 08:32 AM
The term "felon" has lost it's meaning since the 60's seeing as how over 80% of convicted "felons" actually commit no true violence.

Carry on though.

Reminds me of a book.


http://cc.pbsstatic.com/l/85/6085/9780911956085.jpg (http://tinyurl.com/nkmtg7j)


Democrat's Dilemma: How the Liberal Left Captured the Democratic Party (http://tinyurl.com/nkmtg7j)
Philip M. Crane, 1964



Professor Crane's excellent, well-documented history details the steps taken by the Fabian socialists in bringing about a statist U.S.A. Although published in the mid sixties, this book helps the reader understand why and how today's far-left "progressives" have achieved the Obama/Pelosi reign of 2009.

phill4paul
01-03-2014, 08:35 AM
Well, let's see. The Rep party is considered the tough on crime (drugs) party. The Dem party is considered the welfare party. Ex-felon can't get a job = Dem.

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 08:47 AM
The democrats are more tolerant of violent offenders and believe they can be rehabilitated. Easier sentences and earlier paroles.

!
First off,, most inmates are NOT violent offenders. They are a small percentage of prison populations.

And the Republicans are seen as "Tough on crime", Pro Police State authoritarians.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 08:49 AM
Well, let's see. The Rep party is considered the tough on crime (drugs) party. The Dem party is considered the welfare party. Ex-felon can't get a job = Dem.

In reality:

Holder follows GOP lead in easing harsh drug laws
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/09/26/holder-follows-gop-lead-in-easing-harsh-drug-laws/

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 08:51 AM
In reality:


Votes are cast on perception,, not on reality.

Snew
01-03-2014, 08:52 AM
Who cares? Keep pushing the left/right/Dem/Rep garbage all you like. There's no difference between the two.

phill4paul
01-03-2014, 08:52 AM
Votes are cast on perception,, not on reality.

Exactly.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 08:55 AM
Who cares? Keep pushing the left/right/Dem/Rep garbage all you like. There's no difference between the two.

Right-wing = less government

Examples:

Thomas Massie (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=M001184) - 100%
Ted Cruz (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=C001098) - 95%
Steve Stockman (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=S000937) - 95%
Rand Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000603) - 94%
Justin Amash (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=A000367) - 92%
Mike Lee (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=L000577) - 91%
Paul Broun (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001262) - 90%
Jim Bridenstine (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001283) - 90%


Flashback:

Ron Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000583) - 96%

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 09:11 AM
Right-wing = less government



In theory.

In reality,, Reagan=FEMA. War on Drugs. Massive expansion of Government.
Bush (both of them) NWO,, Patriot Act, TSA etc.. Massive expansion of the police state.

specsaregood
01-03-2014, 09:24 AM
Of course at the same time, prisoners have to report on the census their address as the prison instead of their home area outside the prison. And most prisons are located in rural GOP areas; resulting in these thousands of inmates skewing the results so those rural areas get more funding and greater representation than they should.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 10:05 AM
In theory.

In reality,, Reagan=FEMA. War on Drugs. Massive expansion of Government.
Bush (both of them) NWO,, Patriot Act, TSA etc.. Massive expansion of the police state.

You can thank Jimmy Carter for FEMA.


Executive Order 12148 was an executive order enacted by President Jimmy Carter on July 20, 1979 to transfer and reassign duties to the newly formed agency, known as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), created by Executive Order 12127.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12148

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 10:30 AM
You can thank Jimmy Carter for FEMA.


Executive Order 12148 was an executive order enacted by President Jimmy Carter on July 20, 1979 to transfer and reassign duties to the newly formed agency, known as the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), created by Executive Order 12127.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_12148

Yes.. and Reagan gave it teeth and expanded it.
Rex 84 was under Reagan's pen.

There is virtually NO Fucking Difference between "R" and "D".. They are both on the same team.

All this "our team" v "their team" is pointless bullshit.

Suzanimal
01-03-2014, 10:39 AM
The term "felon" has lost it's meaning since the 60's seeing as how over 80% of convicted "felons" actually commit no true violence.

Carry on though.


First off,, most inmates are NOT violent offenders. They are a small percentage of prison populations.

And the Republicans are seen as "Tough on crime", Pro Police State authoritarians.


Votes are cast on perception,, not on reality.


Yes.. and Reagan gave it teeth and expanded it.
Rex 84 was under Reagan's pen.

There is virtually NO Fucking Difference between "R" and "D".. They are both on the same team.

All this "our team" v "their team" is pointless bullshit.

All this...

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 10:39 AM
There is virtually NO Fucking Difference between "R" and "D".. They are both on the same team.

All this "our team" v "their team" is pointless bullshit.

Please count the Democrats:


Thomas Massie (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=M001184) - 100%
Ted Cruz (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=C001098) - 95%
Steve Stockman (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=S000937) - 95%
Rand Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000603) - 94%
Justin Amash (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=A000367) - 92%
Mike Lee (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=L000577) - 91%
Paul Broun (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001262) - 90%
Jim Bridenstine (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001283) - 90%

Ron Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000583) - 96%

heavenlyboy34
01-03-2014, 10:40 AM
In theory.

In reality,, Reagan=FEMA. War on Drugs. Massive expansion of Government.
Bush (both of them) NWO,, Patriot Act, TSA etc.. Massive expansion of the police state.
+rep
2 wings of the same bird of prey
http://undercover4liberty.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/2wings1birdnew.gif?w=300&h=272

heavenlyboy34
01-03-2014, 10:43 AM
Please count the Democrats:


Thomas Massie (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=M001184) - 100%
Ted Cruz (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=C001098) - 95%
Steve Stockman (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=S000937) - 95%
Rand Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000603) - 94%
Justin Amash (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=A000367) - 92%
Mike Lee (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=L000577) - 91%
Paul Broun (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001262) - 90%
Jim Bridenstine (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001283) - 90%

Ron Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000583) - 96%

8 exceptions (out of many hundreds of other congresspeople that have come and gone over the 20+ years the listed people have been involved in elected office to some degree or another) to the rule is not proof to the contrary of what pete said.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 10:44 AM
Please count the Democrats:

So we have two groups, JBS, which rates Republicans better, and convicts as a whole, who rate Democrats better.

The question is, which of those groups better represents the liberty/anti-state/outlaw position. That's not an easy question to answer.

Also, n.b. that the so-called Republicans on your list are all RINOs (Republicans In Name Only). The Republican Party itself hates those guys more than it hates Democrats. To like Massie, Amash, and Paul is to hate Republicans. You can't have it both ways.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 10:47 AM
So we have two groups, JBS, which rates Republicans better, and convicts as a whole, who rate Democrats better.

The question is, which of those groups better represents the liberty/anti-state/outlaw position. That's not an easy question to answer.

Also, n.b. that the so-called Republicans on your list are all RINOs (Republicans In Name Only). The Republican Party itself hates those guys more than it hates Democrats. To like Massie, Amash, and Paul is to hate Republicans. You can't have it both ways.


The votes are listed. Democrats vote poorly on the Constitution.

There is a constitutional bias you can say.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 10:49 AM
The votes are listed. Democrats vote poorly on the Constitution.

There is a constitutional bias you can say.

Good grief. In your own mind do you see some way that what you said is even a response to what I said?

tod evans
01-03-2014, 10:51 AM
Frank,

Do you know and associate with any ex-cons?

I know many and not a one is a democrat.

Snew
01-03-2014, 10:55 AM
Right-wing = less government

Examples:

Thomas Massie (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=M001184) - 100%
Ted Cruz (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=C001098) - 95%
Steve Stockman (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=S000937) - 95%
Rand Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000603) - 94%
Justin Amash (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=A000367) - 92%
Mike Lee (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=L000577) - 91%
Paul Broun (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001262) - 90%
Jim Bridenstine (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001283) - 90%


Flashback:

Ron Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000583) - 96%

lol at Ted Cruz being only 1% lower than Ron Paul. This list is a joke, wherever you got it from.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 10:59 AM
Good grief. In your own mind do you see some way that what you said is even a response to what I said?

My mission is to get more of these type of people on office. I don't care what party you are in as long as you vote Constitutional like Ron Paul.

Thomas Massie (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=M001184) - 100%
Ted Cruz (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=C001098) - 95%
Steve Stockman (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=S000937) - 95%
Rand Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000603) - 94%
Justin Amash (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=A000367) - 92%
Mike Lee (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=L000577) - 91%
Paul Broun (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001262) - 90%
Jim Bridenstine (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001283) - 90%

Ron Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000583) - 96%

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 11:00 AM
Please count the Democrats:



Count the democrats? The ones pushing for civil liberties. Against the Patriot act,,TSA,, warrant less searches.

I like Ron Paul.. am somewhat encouraged with the few that follow his lead.

They are few.. and not even close to enough to have any impact on the party. A party that has a long and infamous history of fucking people.

And that is not an endorsement of the Democrat party. (they suck equally)
just 40+ years of observation.

belian78
01-03-2014, 11:00 AM
Well, let's see. The Rep party is considered the tough on crime (drugs) party. The Dem party is considered the welfare party. Ex-felon can't get a job = Dem.
It's just a perfect 1-2 combination isn't it? Funny coincidence...

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 11:01 AM
lol at Ted Cruz being only 1% lower than Ron Paul. This list is a joke, wherever you got it from.

Ted Cruz has an excellent voting record, sorry to burst your bubble.

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 11:05 AM
Frank,

Do you know and associate with any ex-cons?

I know many and not a one is a democrat.

I wasn't even going to go there,,

but yeah,, I completed my 25 year sentence. (actually 3, 25 year sentences)

and one for "Attempted possession of a Firearm",, later.

http://bsalert.com/artsearch.php?fn=2&as=2471&dt=1

Reagan's administration passed more restrictive gun laws than any other administration (including the dubiously-named "Firearm Protection Act of 1986 which banned citizens owning automatic weapons without special permission). And the "Clinton ban" was actually named after Ronald Reagan's press secretary after James Brady was shot by a nutjob.

tod evans
01-03-2014, 11:09 AM
I wasn't even going to go there,,

but yeah,, I completed my 25 year sentence. (actually 3, 25 year sentences)

Frank's ignoring my question for some reason...:rolleyes:

specsaregood
01-03-2014, 11:14 AM
Frank's ignoring my question for some reason...:rolleyes:

I would suspect the % breakdown is screwed in large part because of the racial demographics of felons. 90%+ of blacks vote democrat, They are only about 15% of the total population but make up 40% of the prison population. Run those numbers, I wager that explains a lot of it.

NIU Students for Liberty
01-03-2014, 11:17 AM
And warmongers tend to vote Republican. I'll take convicts who were likely thrown in prison due to victimless crimes over a demographic who sees casualties of war as nothing but numbers.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 11:20 AM
And warmongers tend to vote Republican. I'll take convicts who were likely thrown in prison due to victimless crimes over a demographic who sees casualties of war as nothing but numbers.

I'll take Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash. That's just me.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 11:31 AM
I'll take Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash. That's just me.

Good. Then your allies are the Republican party's worst enemies.

tod evans
01-03-2014, 11:35 AM
I would suspect the % breakdown is screwed in large part because of the racial demographics of felons. 90%+ of blacks vote democrat, They are only about 15% of the total population but make up 40% of the prison population. Run those numbers, I wager that explains a lot of it.

I don't know or associate with any black ex-cons so my perspective could be skewed.....

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 11:45 AM
Good. Then your allies are the Republican party's worst enemies.

All Republicans: Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 12:13 PM
I don't know or associate with any black ex-cons so my perspective could be skewed.....

I had a habit of walking the "wrong side" of the color line.. Had a lot of Aryan and KKK enemies.

I would guess that is a good guess.
I would also say that they are just as decieved as the Republican fanboys.

Neither party is a friend of liberty,, though there are a few in each party that are exceptions to that rule.
Not near enough on either side to make any difference.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 12:29 PM
Neither party is a friend of liberty,, though there are a few in each party that are exceptions to that rule.
Not near enough on either side to make any difference.

I've always made the case that political parties are only a vehicle to get elected.

The best vehicle for the liberty movement is the Republican Party.

Example: Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash

tod evans
01-03-2014, 12:38 PM
I've always made the case that political parties are only a vehicle to get elected.

The best vehicle for the liberty movement is the Republican Party.

Example: Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash

All of whom have made, or are making, tiny ripples in a large and fetid pond.

Believing that there's any difference what so ever between red and blue is foolish.

Men of principle will stand out which ever party they play with.

But this thread was about ex-cons "voting" democrat and I still don't know any who do.

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 01:02 PM
All of whom have made, or are making, tiny ripples in a large and fetid pond.

Believing that there's any difference what so ever between red and blue is foolish.

Men of principle will stand out which ever party they play with.

But this thread was about ex-cons "voting" democrat and I still don't know any who do.

As an Ex Con,, I am an Independent.
I can not speak for the rest.

I have mostly voted for Republicans.. and been grossly disappointed on the whole.

Suzanimal
01-03-2014, 01:05 PM
Most of the felons I know are white. I do happen to know one black felon (a guy I went to HS with) - he was a Dem, he sent me a dirty message on FB 'cuz of the the RP stuff I posted. (He thought RP was a racist, gee wonder where he got that idea:rolleyes:) I sent him a YouTube of RP talking about how blacks are treated unfairly in the courts. He loved the vid and turned into a hard core Paulbot but when Paul lost the nomination he went back to posting Obama stuff. I guess old habits die hard.

Keith and stuff
01-03-2014, 01:07 PM
Maine and Vermont have the freest laws about allowing felons to vote. New England is the region with the most freedom in the area. The Southeast is the most discriminatory region in this area, likely at least partly related to some white people not likely some black people.

I support laws preventing felons from voting until they are 100% clear of all time (even probation) if they are convicted or murder or rape. I know, that makes me much more statist than most of the current laws on this issue. However, I don't support removing voting rights for felons convicted of smoking marijuana, taking steroids, underage drinking, stealing a TV, recording 2 movies and so on. As long as those things are felonies, I cannot support preventing felons from voting once they are released from jail. Sorry super partisan Republicans, I cannot do it :(

And very partisan Republicans, if you want more folks with felonies to vote Republican, please push to remove buying, selling and growing marijuana from the crimes that are felonies. I'm pretty sure in all 50 states (yes, even CO and WA, though they offer a little greater amounts), most of those actions result in felonies, especially if caught doing it several times. Remove non-violent drug crimes from the felony laws and make sure everyone and their grandmother knows that Republicans did it and watch a much larger percentage of felons vote Republican. I'm not saying it will ever happen... but there is another way for Republicans do deal with this other than restrict voting right for felons (the current path some Republicans are on).

Look up voting rights for felons by state:
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286

NIU Students for Liberty
01-03-2014, 02:26 PM
I'll take Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash. That's just me.

We're not talking about 3 people (Ron Paul is retired) who are going against the grain of their Republican peers who would love nothing more than to continue to give more power to the prison industrial complex.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 02:32 PM
All Republicans: Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash

You're doing this on purpose. Right?

You're some kind of super-troll whose every post is some kind of mental Aikido.

jjdoyle
01-03-2014, 02:33 PM
We're not talking about 3 people (Ron Paul is retired) who are going against the grain of their Republican peers who would love nothing more than to continue to give more power to the prison industrial complex.

Well, both of you forgot Mitch McConnell. So, we are back to 4 now. :)

Zippyjuan
01-03-2014, 02:34 PM
Right-wing = less government

Examples:

Thomas Massie (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=M001184) - 100%
Ted Cruz (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=C001098) - 95%
Steve Stockman (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=S000937) - 95%
Rand Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000603) - 94%
Justin Amash (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=A000367) - 92%
Mike Lee (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=L000577) - 91%
Paul Broun (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001262) - 90%
Jim Bridenstine (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001283) - 90%


Flashback:

Ron Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000583) - 96%

Both (right wing and left wing) favor big government spending- they just like to spend the money on different things.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 02:36 PM
You're doing this on purpose. Right?

You're some kind of super-troll whose every post is some kind of mental Aikido.

I'm just stating the facts. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash are Republicans. I'm sorry if that offends you.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 02:38 PM
I'm just stating the facts. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash are Republicans. I'm sorry if that offends you.

The things about you that offend me have nothing to do with that.

If your whole objective here were to talk people out of supporting those three, along with the JBS, you couldn't do a better job than you're doing in this thread.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 02:39 PM
Both (right wing and left wing) favor big government spending- they just like to spend the money on different things.

If you support big government spending, you are not Right wing. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash are examples of the Right Wing.

mosquitobite
01-03-2014, 02:39 PM
seems like a good place to put this here:
http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2014/01/the-problem-with-libertarians-and-perhaps-tea-partiers-and-constitutionalist.html


So, if the liberty/tea party/constitutionalist movement REALLY wants to make a difference over the long term, the question is not whether they can elect a President (although I hope they can—but it’ll take someone who can appeal to a much broader audience), or whether they can elect more Rand Paul’s, Mike Lee’s or Ted Cruz’s to the Senate (I hope they can do that, as well—although Senate races can be pretty expensive). The question is whether they will have just a bit of patience, and elect people who think like them to a whole bunch of lower offices—building the bench, so to speak, so that they’ve got people who can be credible candidates when that next position looks vulnerable or opens up due to retirement.

I’ve had several discussions over the last few months with people who are still playing the “if only we’d elected Ron Paul” game. In some respects, the libertarians (and I’m lumping the Tea Party and Constitutionalists in with them, although they don’t always fit together perfectly) can be just as lazy as everyone else. They want to see things changed, but they want it to happen “easily”—with Super Ron convincing all of the wisdom of liberty. But it’s going to take a whole lot more work, and a whole lot more time

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 02:43 PM
The things about you that offend me have nothing to do with that.

If your whole objective here were to talk people out of supporting those three, along with the JBS, you couldn't do a better job than you're doing in this thread.

I'm promoting people like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash. That's my objective.

NIU Students for Liberty
01-03-2014, 02:44 PM
If you support big government spending, you are not Right wing. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash are examples of the Right Wing.

What about the rest of the "Right Wing" that supports spending on wars and drug prohibition?

mosquitobite
01-03-2014, 02:47 PM
What about the rest of the "Right Wing" that supports spending on wars and drug prohibition?

Are you running against them? Or supporting someone who is? They all deserved to be primaried!

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 02:49 PM
What about the rest of the "Right Wing" that supports spending on wars and drug prohibition?

Those are Left-wing, big government actions.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 02:52 PM
Those are Left-wing, big government actions.

Not really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

twomp
01-03-2014, 02:54 PM
I'll take Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash. That's just me.

Who else would you take? Mitt Romney? John McCain?

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 03:02 PM
Who else would you take? Mitt Romney? John McCain?

I voted Chuck Baldwin (2008) and Gary Johnson (2012) over those two clowns.

NIU Students for Liberty
01-03-2014, 03:04 PM
Those are Left-wing, big government actions.

Please. The anti-war movement on the Right hasn't existed since the Coolidge administration and although taxation on marijuana began during the New Deal era, it was Nixon and Reagan who injected steroids into drug prohibition.

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 03:05 PM
If you support big government spending, you are not Right wing. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, and Justin Amash are examples of the Right Wing.

Only if you still subscribe to the false left/right paradigm.

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 03:05 PM
Not really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

Wikipedia is including Neo-Conservatives in the Right wing, which is false. Neocons are Left wing

FrankRep
01-03-2014, 03:06 PM
Only if you still subscribe to the false left/right paradigm.

I subscribe to the Constitution, which is Right wing.

pcosmar
01-03-2014, 03:19 PM
I subscribe to the Constitution, which is Right wing.

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Only if you still subscribe to the false left/right paradigm.

osan
01-03-2014, 03:22 PM
Please count the Democrats:


Thomas Massie (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=M001184) - 100%
Ted Cruz (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=C001098) - 95%
Steve Stockman (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=S000937) - 95%
Rand Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000603) - 94%
Justin Amash (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=A000367) - 92%
Mike Lee (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=L000577) - 91%
Paul Broun (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001262) - 90%
Jim Bridenstine (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=B001283) - 90%

Ron Paul (http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/profile.php?id=P000583) - 96%


Jeez Frank - did you never study statistics? 8 is NOT a valid statistics sample size. Generally speaking, the absolute bare minimal population of a valid statistical sample is 30 and in many cases even that is not enough.

Keith and stuff
01-03-2014, 04:17 PM
First off,, most inmates are NOT violent offenders. They are a small percentage of prison populations.

And the Republicans are seen as "Tough on crime", Pro Police State authoritarians.
Yup. That's it right there. If Republicans wanted more of these voters, they could get them. Vermont and Maine don't have to be the best states when it comes to freedom. The most Republican leaning states could encourage their GOP folks to change their positions and then change their oppressive laws that prevent ex-felons from voting. They seem to be happier oppressing people than helping people :(

Snew
01-03-2014, 06:07 PM
I subscribe to the Constitution, which is Right wing.

good grief.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 07:01 PM
Wikipedia is including Neo-Conservatives in the Right wing, which is false. Neocons are Left wing

But, as you can see, "right wing" does not connote a commitment to smaller government.

erowe1
01-03-2014, 07:02 PM
I subscribe to the Constitution, which is Right wing.

If you use the definition of "right wing" that wikipedia does, that's true.